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Did Saudi Arabia Just Clear The Way For An Invasion Of Syria And Iraq?
And now, a further turn for the absurd...
While it’s still far from common knowledge among the Western public that Washington’s closest allies in the Mid-East are funding, arming, and otherwise enabling the Sunni extremists (including ISIS) battling for control of Syria and working to destabilize Iraq, the massacre that unfolded earlier this month in San Bernardino has managed to focus some much needed attention on the role Saudi Arabia plays in promoting extremism.
As we noted in the immediate aftermath of the California mass shooting, the fact that Tashfeen Malik spent 25 years in Saudi Arabia living with a father who, according to family members who spoke to Reuters, adopted an increasingly hardline ideology as time went on, underscores the fact that the puritanical, ultra orthodox belief system promoted by the Saudis is poisonous. That’s not a critique of Islam. It’s a critique of Wahhabism and the effect it has on the minds of those who are inculcated by Saudi culture.
Here’s an excerpt from "Saudi Arabia Is Underwriting Terrorism. Let’s Start Making It Pay," by Charles Kenny:
For years since 9/11, U.S. and Western officials have mostly looked the other way at all this ideological support for extremism: Saudi oil was just too important to the global economy, even though many of these Saudi petro-dollars were underwriting repression at home and the growth of Salafist fundamentalism abroad.
This support for radicalism abroad should come as little surprise given that Islamic State is an ideological cousin of Saudi Arabia’s own state-sponsored extremist Wahhabi sect—which the country has spent more than $10 billion to promote worldwide through charitable organizations like the World Assembly of Muslim Youth. The country will continue to export extremism as long as it practices the same policies at home.
More, from "Saudi Arabia: An ISIS That Has Made It," by Kamel Daoud:
Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.
Consider that, and consider the following headline from Reuters which surely qualifies as the most tragically ironic thing you'll read all day: "Saudi Arabia announces 34-state Islamic military alliance against terrorism"
That's right ladies and gentlemen, you no longer have anything to fear from Sunni extremists because the undisputed king of promoting Sunni extremism is on the case. "The countries here mentioned have decided on the formation of a military alliance led by Saudi Arabia to fight terrorism, with a joint operations center based in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations," a statement from state-ruun SPA said.
But it gets better. Much better.
"The countries here mentioned" of course include Turkey and Qatar. Qatar is a well known sponsor of extremist groups battling in Syria. Recall the following from The New York Times (ca. 2014):
Standing at the front of a conference hall in Doha, the visiting sheikh told his audience of wealthy Qataris that to help the battered residents of Syria, they should not bother with donations to humanitarian programs or the Western-backed Free Syrian Army.
“Give your money to the ones who will spend it on jihad, not aid,” implored the sheikh, Hajaj al-Ajmi, recently identified by the United States government as a fund-raiser for Al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate.
Sheikh Ajmi and at least a half-dozen others identified by the United States as private fund-raisers for Al Qaeda’s Syrian franchise operate freely in Doha, often speaking at state-owned mosques and even occasionally appearing on Al Jazeera. The state itself has provided at least some form of assistance — whether sanctuary, media, money or weapons — to the Taliban of Afghanistan, Hamas of Gaza, rebels from Syria, militias in Libya and allies of the Muslim Brotherhood across the region.
Now, however, Qatar is finding itself under withering attack by an unlikely alignment of interests, including Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Israel, which have all sought to portray it as a godfather to terrorists everywhere. Some in Washington have accused it of directly supporting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — an extremist group so bloodthirsty that Al Qaeda has condemned it — a charge that Western officials, independent analysts and Arab diplomats critical of Qatar all call implausible and unsubstantiated.
As for Turkey, well, we've covered Ankara's connections to ISIS exhaustively, but suffice to say you don't pull in $500 million or more per year in oil sales without a state sponsor and for Bakr al-Baghdadi, that state sponsor looks to be Turkey. And the oil story only scratches the surface of Erdogan's complicity when it comes to aiding and abetting extremism in Syria.
Of course Iran is excluded from the new "coalition." Here's Reuters again:
Shi'ite Muslim Iran, Sunni Saudi Arabia's arch rival for influence in the Arab world, was absent from the states named as participants, as proxy conflicts between the two regional powers rage from Syria to Yemen.
This would be infuriating if it weren't so comically absurd. Obviously Tehran has some blood on its hands when it comes to promoting international terrorism via the Quds and via Hezbollah. However, that pales in comparison to the Saudis role in creating a world view that indocrinates the masses with an ideology that aligns almost perfectly with that espoused by ISIS, al-Qaeda, and their offshoots.
Further, the IRGC and Hezbollah are actually on the ground fighting the same terrorists the Saudis are talking about. So while Riyadh issues press releases, Iran risks its soldiers. Meanwhile, the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen is busy fighting to restore a puppet government (of course Iran is in many ways battling to restore what some might call a puppet of Tehran in Syria, but you get the point).
The obvious question here is this: is this the precursor to Saudi, Qatari, UAE, and (more) Turkish boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq, just as Iraqi Shiite politician Hanan Fatlawi predicted last week? It certainly appears so. Here's a headline that crossed the wires earlier today (from Reuters):
- SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER JUBEIR SAYS TALKS ONGOING WITH REGARD TO SAUDI ARABIA, OTHER GULF STATES SENDING SPECIAL FORCES TO SYRIA
With that in mind, we close with one last quote, this one from 30-year-old deputy crown prince and Defense Minister Mohammed bin Salman: "There will be international coordination with major powers and international organizations ... in terms of operations in Syria and Iraq."
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Neither did Dubya on AFG
The Book,
and the Correction and Apology to several alleged perpetrators who were cleared.
a shift it seems..
now SA will expect USA to fire-back or otherwise cover their back when Russia lobs a missile towards them
Turkey might have just dodged a bullet(pun intended)
So the sauds are going in on the premise of fighting terror or ousting assad? This gets more confusing by the day. If i was in charge i would ally myself with russia and take out the whole region and devide it up. Much like europe was after ww2
Saudi Arabia
Will one day make an extraordinary all glass skating rink when Russia's ballistic nuclear warheads alter it's composition permanently!
Tell me again why taking over the oil fields in Iraq after the second gulf war wasn't a good idea?
Good luck. Saudi oil wells going up in flames in 3, 2, 1....
so buy call options on oil?
World war starting in the coming days. Shia Sunni war at hand... Certainly assisted by USA as a new proxy... Since Pakistan is in there, India will be involved too. And Palestine is a part of this new group, as well as Egypt. So weapons to Pals via Egypt?
Will be interesting to see what side Israel falls on, first with Sunni, then perhaps to join Iran's side. Israel and Iran could be fighting side by side in the trenches, sharing ammo and water bottles.
Reality is interesting.
OmegaMan,
i see the same scenario unfolding...but the unfolding will draw EVERYTHING into its sprawl -- and this shit will in no way be limited to the ME. chaos en extremis on an ecuminical scale.
janus
omegaM & janus, i upvoted both b/c the ideas are something to consider. but israel aligning with the shia would only happen if israel belives the shia, russia alliance will win---& that the alliance, for israel's support, will then freely give palestine & the golan (the water & oil) to israel. which seems unlikely---as well, why would russia, iran, syria & shia portion of iraq trust israel?
Janus , omega man . Warren pollock a one time contributer to zh was writing about this 2/3 yrs ago
Somebody call Alibaba because we need a whole lot of virgins when SA disappears off the face of the earth.
advices to deal with chines
ask for many sample before sign contract
expect faster offer to be poorer copy of real
go proved supplier for quality...better to get approve from Allah
or blowup dolls more appropriate?
Okay, so the chief sponsor of murderous islam is forming a "coalition" to combat murderous islam...right...
The Islamic State declared that it would join the Islamic military alliance against terrorism
So the sauds are going in on the premise of fighting terror or ousting assad? This gets more confusing by the day. If i was in charge i would ally myself with russia and take out the whole region and devide it up. Much like europe was after ww2
Let me see if I got this right. Saudi funds terrorists (ISIS). Saudi then bombs "terrorists" (really Syrian army) thus assisting ISIS further.
This whole "fighting terrorism" narrative is sure getting a lot of mileage.
Still think someone should just drop a nuke on Saudi oil fields and we can then go back to living in peace as there would be nothing left to fight over.
GOD DAMMIT GET FUCKING SERIOUS.
You people throw around 'just kill a bunch' as tho it is a normal thing, no big deal.
Sorry, it is my son's future, and your's too. War is good for nobody but the bankers, and in this ,case the Israeli-Neocons who will otherwise be hung by the neck until dead. They are really motivated to make you want the wars to continue.
Please get serious. War has never been a playable game and nuclear weapons make it MAD. You really need to get your mind around MAD.
I hear Blackwater is hiring, good life insurance plan, one way ticket.
All the pussy you can shoot.
Where did you hear that?
Guys, guys, guys! It's easier than you think, IF you think outside the 'ME Box'. Like I said before...
Use Kirk's 3-Step BUILD, RELOCATE, BOMB (BRB) Plan:
1. Build a new city near the one you want to clear out, leveraging the Chinese, who are great at building ghost cities. China, you on board with this? Cool. Be sure to use AIIB funds and wire via CIPS.
2. Allow all peace-loving civilians to resettle to new cities, traveling only with personal belongings and few household items & animals, and using only offical roads and undergoing complete searches for arms contraband. Violators who carry arms (rifles, etc), will be shot on the spot and left to rot in the desert. Local ground troops of the Iraqy-Syrian alliance will do this part of the plan.
3. Those who stay in the old city, are doomed to die. Russia will level what's left, by carpet bombing the city, until only rubble remains. Dosvidanye ISIS!
Seems to have worked in Detroit
That is idiocy. Anything that accepts war is idiocy. Can you not think about reality? You are stuck in a world of fantasy and words. Too many games?
Jesus God the insanity displayed by my fellow countryment is beyond words or comprehension.
Mega-deaths may well include you and yours, you know? Not just a nice clean 'poof and you are gone' death, but a long low lingering, puking up your gut with skin sloughing off in great pain with no medicine death.
Please stop being a fool.
Time to heavily arm the houthies... they are good fighters. With some good arms they can really give Saudi a good shit kicking and destroy all the oil wells.
Saudi's Army ......."they're pretty - but can they fight." The Dirty Dozen's Lee Marvin
The Saudis had an AWACS aircraft up that alledgely was used to tell the Turkish F16s where the SU-24 was at all times so the ambush could be set. Payback is a bitch. Go Russia. I'm rootin for Putin.
The Al Saud royal Family is the problem in spreading the extrem theory of Wahhabism throughout the Islamic World. Now it want to fight it ? I read that 80% of what is taught in ISIS schools for children consist of reading and studying a book written by the creator of Wahhabism called : "the Monotheism"... All of this seems like a farce.....
fucking oil has been a curse to humans and the planet
Tesla
One of our local editors (LV Review Journal) says that when the headline proposes a question the answer is always 'NO.'
If that is not applicable in this case then I have another headline....Will Putin Be Forced To Go Nuclear?
I can only imagine if faced with the entire 'free world' armed against him, including our staunch ally Saudi Arabia...he might be tempted to do something 'really bad' to certain Holy Sites. If that was all he did I wonder if there would be a reaction by the 'free world'.
My deeper concern is that the USA has been 'thinkin' about 'first strike'....now if that is in the cards then the one who strikes first-er might win. We can only hope Putin likes to gamble and is not so big on early American documents when he considers targets for the 'first strike'.
How the fuck did it get this way???
http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/saudi-terrorism-pig_0.jpg
And the Saudi's fund the US mosques, they insert their sicko version of Islam into these places.
The converts are at high risk since they know nothing of Islam but what these monsters teach them.
Remember Cat Stevens with his fatawa, he said "I was a new Muslim" meaning he didn't really know
what was going on.
Does Saud decide one way on how to save its Sunni skin at the expense of Shia Iran and another way to save its market share at the expense of shale ?
And do the PTB of the US play along on BOTH counts; aka look away when Saud finances that Sunni alliance from Malaysia to Senegal, also help finance the West's military play against Shia/Putin takeover of Syrac (that is what Saud wants but is it WHAT the US wants? Not sure it will kill off ISIS) as well allow Saud to kill off Shale investments in US???
Some diametrically opposed objectives and confused strategic thinking is now OPENLY EVIDENT in the US and surrogate Euro-west!
Now Saud says it will form a Sunni alliance to FIGHT Wahhabism's jihadists in PRECISELY those 34 countries where it FINANCED the MAdrassas since 40 years to PROMOTE Wahhabism ! Some logic there!
Who runs this show?
i don't know although we cast and crew.
We do not have to be passive actors, and I think it is far past the time to stop being passive.
man but i miss King Abdullah. like Obama, he kept somewhat in check the chicken hawk, war mongering, turn into a "parking lot of glass" types in his country. King "is anyone home" Salman/Prince Moh are a different story.
This nuke Mecca talk has gotta stop. like that will solve any problem other than "inflame" 1.2B muslims to Holy War...just what ISIS wants you fools.
FYI, Saudi has many internal divisions. Now the focus is on the man boy, porn loving wahhabs as it should be. Then again the Saudi's did just elect 20 women to the majlis. Lets encourage that than talk about all this EOW, warporn stuff.
Who cares what temporary king they may have. It is still a rotten, backwards country controlled by deranged leadership spreading poison around the globe. Actually, deposing the royals in SA would solve a quite a few problems, and sure would put a crimp in financing all this Jihad crap. It would also send a powerful message to a few other "Kingdoms". America has been destabilizing all the wrong ME regimes.
The fact is, more people are waking up to what the Wahhabi sect in SA is all about, and the West is having a harder time making excuses for continuing to suck up to them - especially America, as we face an oil glut and watch our energy companies go bankrupt because of low prices as determined by the Saudi's. You can bet your ass that the U.S. soldiers know it by now. How many of them want to fight for these corrupt monarchs? How many of us want to pay for their war with our tax dollars?
What you see is SA confirmations that this is Sunni's VS. Shiah war. Which US so cluelessly backup the ome that will blow up US face, once they finished with Shiah.
Fucking clueless americans..
NO NO NO NO. Sunni-Shia is a division just like Catholic and Protestant. Useful for political effect, and otherwise not so much. Many many people in all of those countries married accross the line, it wasn't even an issue in Iraq before the wars. Still isn't even in places like Pakistan.
Now, for example, there are Sunni tribes fighting with the Kurds (also Sunny) on the side of Iraqis against ISIS (sunni). Iraqi militias are all Shia at the moment, as nobody trusts them, and that distrust is a major advantage that ISIS has at the moment.
There is a time for war and a time for peace....
Time for peace is not now.....
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Is saudi Arabia gathering allies out of fear of a Houti-Hezbolla invasion of the Kingdom? The stated reason is just weird.
I wonder how that Saudi fence is coming along. Sort of been out of the spotlight since the initial announcement back in mid-January.
the only thing the Saudi's invade are shopping malls and Thai cat houses. This invade Syria stuff is a joke...unless they use Yemeni mercs, oops! or Paki mercs and they declined. Same for the Houthi-Hezbollah invade Saudi. Mecca for Muslims is more than oil and you'll just hv to trust me on that
We can't tell, but we know that Israeli-Neocons and allies are losing in reality and in the world's understanding, political opinion.
If they lose, they hang. If peace is allowed, they hang.
For them it is win or die. Nothing to lose, and they have always doubled down, have always lead with false flag attacks.
Notice how their false flag attacks aren't working so well any more? The next one has to be BIG.
Yea, I'm telling you, they're gonna vaporize the Donald and all his security can't stop that..
As Turkey and SA show their hand, I see more overt support from Iran and Russia being given to the Houthis, Iraqi Government and Peshmerga. Man, the MIC nut jobs must be popping champagne every night. McCain can probably now get it up without Viagra, I am sure that make little Lindsey very happy.
No, they are losing political power and in reality. That isn't good for them, and it is a huge danger for the rest of us.
Donald Trump is indeed a symptom of our discontent, but it is also a symptom of how their standard control is slipping. Without something new, Trump will never get a majority.
Trump is Israeli-Neocon, I think without question, but a properly conservative analysis says "why take the chance? If they are not clearly on our side, they don't get our support!"
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...
Do you think anyone could win an election talking the real stuff about 911, Israel done it, etc???
Some things hafta wait 'till after the election...
But we have flowers
If we bombed Riyhad and the gold-plated palaces infested by evil venal sub-human crypto-jewish slimeball Saudi "Royal" family, that would solve the problem once and for all.
It's neither terrorism nor a criminal war when we do it.
The "muslim" alliance ( "unofficial" members US & NATO) to attack Syria, Iraq, and Iran.
Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Chad, Djibouti, Egypt, Gabon, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Islamic Federal Republic of the Comoros, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Niger, Pakistan, Palestine, Nigeria, Qatar, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan, Togo, Turkey, Tunisia, UAE, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/saudi-arabia-creates-pro-isis-block-to-figh...
4 more war!
.
4 more war!
Senator John McCain.
He will go down in history.
Way down.
Iran sponsors all manner of Shia terror groups (hezbollah, hamas and their own Quds forces). The Iranians killed diplomats and took hostages at the US embassy in Tehran in the 70s, before killing/injuring several hundred US marines in Beruit in the 80s -- not to mention countless more in Iraq. That's just the terror acts where they have been caught, but not held accountable.
The Saudis (and Qatar) sponsor all manner of Sunni terror groups (ISIS, Pakistan / Taliban, Toyota drivers in Yemen, etc). The Saudis sponsored (unwittingly or on purpose) al-qaeda, 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers, not to mention radicalizing the San Bernadino crazies. That's just the terror acts where they have been caught, but not held accountable.
If the Sunnis and Shia really want to kill each other, we should supply both with guns, keep our troops home; have the NSA monitor them (instead of us) and pay down some of our debt with pay-per-view and pop-corn combos.
Wow you sound very zionist
I just know that in the west, we all love Jesus and we love our Christian brothers and sisters.
We have been fighting over Catholicism versus Protestantism for a thousand years. Pretty sure our track record is: millions killed, nothing resolved.
I think that disqualifies us from fixing other culture's religions. That's not zionist, its just being practical.
This post I can agree with. But the Empire of Chaos can't afford to pull out our troops
... also if it were not for the E.O.C. (Empire...) sponsoring Saddam to attack Iran; were it not for the EOC breaking up a stable Iraq; were it not for the EOC to send it's bitch in to dismantle what's left of Yemen; were it not for the destabilizing of Lebannon by the CIA during the 70's, 80's, ... the list is long... but if not for all the EOC efforts...
... the Shiites and Sunnis would probably still be at peace.
By the way, his post is shit. Passes it off as non-interference, while suggesting arming both sides. Typical ape. And it wasn't several hundred marines; it was only 247 or so. I guess several hundred sounds better. Or worse.
You're not just being practical,you're being presumptuous. I am in the west,and I don't love jesus. I don't subscribe to the bible mentality. Any grown man with the slightest bit of education should realize that the fictional events in the bible cannot be true by any means. A man swallowed by a whale? Animals from all parts of the world flocking to one spot to get on a boat? And the going back to thier respective homes? The earth is 5,000 years old?
I don't ask you to change your thinking,so don't paint all westerners with the same brush. SOME of us are more intelligent.
So according to the idiots here: I am supposedly Jewish/zionist. When that didn't stick, you accuse me of having bible mentality.
None of you seem to grasp political satire in an ID, nor in a comment... maybe ZH isn't for you
When did Hamas become a Shia militia? I suppose you were one of the Jews sitting on the roof tops watching the brave IDF murder children and women. Is popcorn kosher?
I am not Jewish, but I don't want to encourage your anti-semitism either.
Too dumb to be jewish. Barack has been Pres. for 7 years now. Ain't figured out how to spell his name yet?
And to be Anti-Semite is to be Anti-Arab. The Jews are not Semites. They're from somewhere else; east of Europe, western Asia, whatever.
Actually his birth name was Barry, and his last name (then or now) isn't Chavez. Chavez refers to certain failed economic policies in Venezuela.
Many commenters on ZH use their IDs as political satire.
That doesn't clean it up. Delete this account and rename it with the proper spelling. Or better yet, don't bother creating a new one. Just go away.
You are an arrogant left winger telling other people what to think and censoring what we are allowed to say/write.
Your intolerance is disgusting
He didn't mention 'Semites', he said 'Jews'.
The Yids must luv this shit, just sit back roll a doobie and watch the fucks wipe each other out...Good plan
'Israeli-Neocon' is accurate and unambiguous. Let's use that. It has far more force for the average person.
But 'Cheesepopes' won't get you banned...
His name was Francis_Sawyer
R.I.P.
if Saudi bank accounts were frozen how far would they get?
Yes, a solution, but only after we have solved the problem of 'who' and 'how' that could be accomplished.
Saudis are not an existential threat to our country, the Israeli-Neocons are.
Production Timetable: Iran’s Oil Comes Online http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-12-15/production-timetable-iran-s-oil-comes-online-ii765qu9
There are a few questions which are never asked in the MSM and I’ve haven’t seen them asked in the ASM as well.
First, do people really think that OPEC can keep producing oil and keep oil prices low without U.S. permission? Secondly why did Obama suddenly, after years of demonizing Iran, lift the sanctions? I think the answer on the first question is closely related to the answer on the second question because then it all makes sense.
Answer on the first question of course is no. The Arabs who are closely working together with the CIA and Mossad and who fund ISIS do exactly what they are told. The answer on the second question is, that knowing that the Iranians would bring even more oil on the global market, that is exactly what the U.S. wants as weapon against Russia. The Obama regime hopes to create a rift between Russia and Iran who are both big oil producers.
And here you have it. So completely contrary to the false MSM narrative that OPEC is targeting U.S. shale oil, which they themselves have admitted too which is curious in itself since nobody can challenge U.S. hegemony without being punished in some way shape or form, yet the Arabs can? Don’t think so. So despite all the anti US-shale oil rhetoric the real target is Russia.
And that also falls in line with official U.S. foreign policy the Wolfowitz Doctrine – U.S. Strategy Plan Calls for Insuring No Rivals Develop, A One-Superpower World http://work.colum.edu/~amiller/wolfowitz1992.htm
Washington Intends Russia’s Demise — Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/02/washington-intends-russias-de…
OPEC Sees Zero Impact on Oil Market From U.S. Lifting Export Ban http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-15/opec-sees-zero-impact-on-oil-market-from-u-s-lifting-export-ban
The problem with Russia as a "target"
( and I'm not saying they aren't )
is that Russia's prime rate is north of
8%, while US prime is .5%...
So what?
Simple. They have something called capital accumulation
going on in Russia... but NOT in the USA! And that
is a big deal because it means Russian production
( yes Virginia, they do more than pump oil over there )
can be ramped up... America... not so much...
See what happens when you persue ZIRP for the
specific purpose of F___ing America's Main Street
business???
Not an explicit reason for, an unfortunate side-effect of the Kleptocracy that keeps their political power and personal wealth.
Of course our Israeli-Zionists and Deep State and Banksters and other Oligarchs would like to keep their political support as long as possible, they have not converted the US into a Stalinist state.
If they don't get a Stalinist state pretty quick, they will lose power and hang.
"It was the elites of both parties who failed to secure our borders and brokered the trade deals that have de-industrialized America and eviscerated our middle class.
It was the elites of both parties who got us into these idiotic wars that have blown up the Middle East, cost us trillions of dollars, thousands of dead, and tens of thousands of wounded among our best and bravest.
That Republican elites would sit around a dinner table on Capitol Hill and discuss how to frustrate the rising rebellion against what they have done to America, and decide among themselves who shall lead us, is astonishing.
To borrow from the Gipper, they are not the solution to our problems. They are the problem."
The wars will never go away until the arrogant elites go away. Read Pat Buchanon's piece today; it's all you need to know about how the US in governed. (McCain is one of the star lieutenants of the elites) http://buchanan.org/blog/
"It was the elites of both parties who got us into these idiotic wars that have blown up the Middle East, cost us trillions of dollars, thousands of dead, and tens of thousands of wounded among our best and bravest."
Thanks Felix, Any idiot who still waves the Blue/Red Rep/Dem flag should be taken out back and ....
BOTH parties are worthless. They both get paychecks drawn from the same accounts.
Situation not as hopeless as seems; Saudi Arabia and Sheikdoms critically unstable, one setback away from detonation. US would wade in to try to save Big Oil's interests, utter distraction from Syria.
meanwhile the israelis are whisperingsweet nothings in your ear. "we are not your enemy. we are your friend. does that feel good? the saudis are your enemy. the muslims are your enemy. the zionazis and israel are your friends. oooohhhhh that feels good. keep doing it."
ISIS has been played to the limit by our media. The obvious solution is a coalition with Russia to end much of this nonsense of teen age boys run wild. These Muslim boys have likely never been laid, maybe never seen a womans face. Given the chance they behave like murderous frat boys on PCP. Our allies support them. It is too fucking bizarre.
Our politicians can no longer address the issue to either those on the left or right. There is no way to tell a good story anymore. They must lie and then avoid all follow up questions.
I say let Putin do the very dirty work that must be done. At least the Russian know what their leaders are doing and thinking.
A better alternative would be a global financial collapse. It might send all belligerants home as the sponsors would be going broke.
These collapses however are really hard to plan.
Kudos for speaking to the role played by normal libido trapped in a Muslim in the evil we see acted out.
Your assumption that they want a solution is wrong, I believe.
If peace is restored, the Israeli-Necons who ran the 9/11 False flag operation will hang. They cannot allow peace, and war and terrorism keeps politics upset enough that they can continue their coup, the quest for power that keeps them alive.
That is why Daesh hit the scene; this is comical if not so deadly; especially to mens souls.
Israel and Saudi Arabia share a common enemy- Iran. Israel controls the US State Department and the Saudis are willing to launder petrodollars back to Washington, D.C. via Prince Bandar. The Saudis impose Wahabbism at home but are coke-fueled homosexuals when living abroad. Vladimir Putin is a God-fearing heterosexual who kills terrorists but the US jewmedia, beholden to Netanyahu and backed by the Israel-first Jewish traitors in our government, have everyday God-fearing heterosexual Americans thinking we are good and Putin is evil.
OK, I'll play along. So why are heterosexuals so stupid? Or at least so gullible? Are the Jewish traitors homo or hetero? I'm confused...
I want to assure you that their sexuality has nothing to do with any of this. Alexander had a long-term male lover you know?
As a Christian living in America; the part of your comment about Christians in America is beyond wrong. However; it is okay because as a Christian I/we understand you speak from a place of ignorance as most do outside of the Kingdom and as I once did.
Most professing "Christians" are just that; profess and not possessing Christ. We have the mind of Christ; so we are far ahead of the game and we know how it began and how it ends. The core issue with all the world's issues and problems throughout history can be summed up in four word's; "man's inherent sin nature". As it is written. Until a man understands his nature, then he will not see his own sickness and therefore will not seek the Cure; as it is also written.
It’s time to regain control,
of this wicked world – it’s impossible to stop...
The global enemy – John Dough.
Show only what you want them all to know.
It’s time to regain control,
of this wicked world – it’s impossible to stop...
The global enemy – John Dough.
Show only what you want them all to know.
Saudi just want to raise the price of oil by staring World WarIII
The Saudi's could raise the price of oil by cutting back production tomorrow. They could bring the USD to its knees by announcing they will accept payment for oil in YUAN or Ruble or other non-USD currencies.
So let them, fire up shale in the US.
End the empire, cut off all nations.
End the FED
Create a new currency, stiff China
Fire up manufacturing
Point all weapons out
deport all Israeli dual citizens
tell the world we ain't going for the NWO
Lock the doors
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/hackers-trace...
Haven't we had enough of this farce?
Finally! No more pussy footing. Shia vs Sunni civil war. When goyim fight goyim, Israel wins: The Sharon Doctrine
Saudi and Turkey coming in for a lot of flak lately. And rightly so, of course.
There's just one problem with this: all the earlier criticism of Israel has died down.
Just the way they want it.
Nice to have friends in the media.
All over the world.
Both leaders of Turkey & Saudi Arabia will be gone within six months because you can't play both sides when you are a pawn on the global chess board and Putin has the next move.
You have to wonder how the presstitutes can really promote anyting out of Saudi Arabia as fighting terrorism with a straight face.
Those fools purposefully go out of their way not to mention that Saudi Arabia is the paymaster for Daesh.
But Obama and that retard Salman give each other reach arounds in their little circle jerk.
If the Sauds want to fight Islamic Terrorism maybe they should bomb themselves.
Maybe Putin should start arming the Yemenis. They seem to be taking it to the Sauds and their white slave mercenaries quite well considering how under resourced they are.
Population counts..... 80 million Iranians, 15 million Iragi Shia; 4.5 million Saudi Shia versus 26 million Saudi Sunnis and 2 million Qataris.......hardly likely Egypt will get itself involved once Saudi money ceases and Turkey will break up....Turkey you can forget because unless you were registered as Christian when Kemal Ataturk founded the place you are registered as Muslim and Sunni.........with 30 Turkey's 74 million being Kurds the place should fragment nicely.
The US decided to undo the Treaty of Lausanne 1923 and now the whole region will unravel
I see a radiant future for turkey
I see a radiant future for turkey
The 34 Countries:
The list of 34 members: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Chad, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Gabon, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Morocco, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Palestinians, Qatar, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan, Togo, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
None of them manufacturing powerhouses. Where are they going to get their weapons?
Advantage: Russia/China/Shia alliance.
America won't be able to sneak in weapons on a large scale.
None of those countries, except Turkey and Egypt, have any real projection power. They will have trouble getting troops and supplies in place. They could stage in Jordan, but that would take time and be readily visible to Iran and Russia. None of those countries, except Turkey, have any real fighting spirit. The Somalis are tough when fighting on home turf, but I see the alliance as little more than a paper tiger and excuse for SA, Qatar and Bahrain to push for Assad's ouster. They will find themselves severely disadvantaged when they realize they are flanked on all sides by Shia militiamen from Iraq and Lebanon, as well as the houthis to their south. The African countries are tied to the leash of China, so I don't see them wondering too far.
Bear in mind, no one here is without weakness. Iran has an Azeri minority of 20 million people who may sympathize with Turkey/Azerbaijan. They also have Balochi and other Sunni minorities. This scenario is the same literally with every player, even Russia's Crimea can be targeted by Tatar rebels supported by Turkish paramilitary.
If this WWIII thing really takes off, it will end up being a mix of para-Military and symmetrical warfare, probably with more open cyber and finance warfare. I am not sure there will be a place for anyone to really hide. ISIS will hit the U.S. And Europe, I am sure Shia-Sunni minorities in various countries will lash out, etc. it is really anyone's guess where China, NATO, Pakistan and India will ultimately fall.
Let's call it what it is.
NATO for camel jockeys.
"...That’s not a critique of Islam..." Hahahahaha!
Good one, Tyler. I needed a laugh on a Tuesday afternoon.
.. LOL....Anybody else see about a 30 point "Fat finger" flash crash on SPY, about ten minutes ago?
What a facade, the Saudis who have been the top financier of terrorism and global wahabi doctrine around the world suddenly want to fight terrorism? I guess they realized the world is on to them and can no longer afford to look the other way...
blah, blah,blah...can we just start bombing someone, please.
My popcorn is getting cold.
Damn folks; who isn't supporting ISIS besides Russia and China? I can think of none. As you were or carry on. "Supporting the dark side; yes they are"
Remember that Nostradamus guy? He had an interesting prediction about the middle east, it's promotion of a evil leader and the coalition of the US and Russia in order to defeat it.
Remember that Obombo guy? He had an interesting vision of oil prices < 20$.
The war drums are beating more heavily as the Saudi's are getting a coalition together to fight against the very entities that the Saudi's and NATO have created. This means destroy the Yemen, Syrian, and Iraqi infrastructure and ooppps - sorry about that collateral damage and refugee crisis coming to IRAQ.
I also see storm clouds gathering to aid this financial conundrum the FED has fixed for itself. Oil is going up (temporarily), PM's put on hold and the market goes up with a tiny to none rate hike followed by Fridays short squeeze from hell, then possible a quickie mini-burst down to gin up those bonds and set up for the ZIRP and "official new QE program" under a different name...something like that.
Nostradamus; all his "predictions" are so general you can fill it in to make it say whatever one wants from what i have noted. AND many do, have and will.
Please read Matthew 24 verses 3-8 to be specific and see what the one who knows all things; gains no new knowledge because He is the source of all that is to know has to say about what we are witnessing worldwide. Just a suggestion and thank you for yours!
http://www.biblestudytools.com/csb/matthew/24.html
First, "read" what's right in front of you.
My neighbor down the street who reads chicken entrails for a living says relax and by the dip, Dow 18,000 by XMAS
"who reads chicken entrails for a living" - too funny! There is no dip; did the chicken tell?
The ISIS plan to gather all the nations of the world for one final battle in Syria is going swimmingly then
It seems as if ISIS knew what they were doing when they posted cruel executions on the Internet and committed terrorist acts in Paris and San Bernardino.
The intention was to create legitimacy for Western, Turkish and Saudi Arabian intervention in Syria and Iraq. Not just to portray themselves as savages just for fun.
The West says they are flying over Syria in order to fight ISIS although they have avoided bombing their oil smuggling for about a year and did not begin until the Russians began bombing in Syria. It´s just not credible that their intention is to fight ISIS. It´s more credible that they are more concerned about their original intention with interfering in the Syrian civil war, i.e. to topple the Assad regime. And if they have established a presence in the air, they can easily shift their focus from their official intention to fight ISIS to fight Assad. Or protect invading Saudi or Turkish troops. Or deter the Syrian army or the Russians from attacking the invaders. A Saudi/Turkish intervention, if that happens, probably means that extremists like the Al-Nusra Front (which is affiliated with A-Qaeda) will rule parts of Iraq and Syria in the future. (I wonder whether the Arab and Druze populations on Golan would prefer to be a part of Israel or be a part of Al-Nusra controlled areas in Syria. I suspect that they, especially the Druze, would prefer to stay in Israel.)
If the Western intention behind flying over Syria is to facilitate a Turkish/Saudi intervention I think that is reminiscent of how the West supported Khmer Rouge in Cambodia in the 1980s. The difference compared to the support the Sunni extremists in Syria/Iraq is that the mainstream media in the West does not inform the general public about it. During the Cold War support for the bad guys could in some cases be justified to the general public as a means to prevent the Eastern Bloc from growing (The Soviet Union supported the “moderate” communist government which fought the ultra communist Khmer Rogue butchers). Even though the mainstream media didn´t repeatedly link Khmer Rouge to the West in the most popular newscasts people could find this kind of information in large mainstream media if they noticed it.
Very few media consumers in the West know that the US deliberately abstained from bombing ISIS´ oil smugglers. They think that the US government is very concerned about the beheadings and that this is the reason for the American intervention. The big media in the West probably filters out information to approximately the same extent as in Russia and China. Or to about the same extent. The big difference is that the Internet still is not controlled in the West like it is in China.
The support for Sunni extremists also reminds me how the West indirectly supported the Bolsheviks during the civil war that followed the Russian revolution in 1917. The West pretended to support the Whites and other anti-Bolsheviks but did almost nothing to actually help them. When the Germans withdrew their troops from land which had been given to them in the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty, the Western troops gave these territories to the Bolsheviks, not the anti-Bolsheviks. It seems as if the general public in the West was not informed about this. Instead, mainstream media gave the impression that the West aided the Whites against the Bolsheviks. This reminds me about how the big media reports on Syria right now. The difference is perhaps that the West now openly says that the Assad government is the principal enemy while the West after the Russian revolution pretended that they were supporting the Whites and other anti-Bolsheviks. I strongly recommend people to read “Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution” by Antony C Sutton (Arlington House Publishers, 1974). Also try to google Jacob Schiff and the Russian revolution.
The big media is a huge problem in North America and Western Europe. The general public does not get basic information about how the world works unless they visit alternative media on the Internet. It also seems as if ultra-rich people who can create mainstream media that can provide people with additional information are very reluctant to do so. They seem to be afraid of something even if you sometimes can get a hint that they know how the world works. Many of them also seem to be as naïve as the general public.
I wonder how naïve Putin and the Chinese leaders are. Do they understand how the big media in the West works? Do they actually think that they are more interested in democracy than themselves? I agree that there are some politicians and media owners in the West which actually can accept democracy even if the result would be a political landscape similar to the 1920s. In Sweden, I think that less than 10 % of the big media would accept the “wrong” outcome in general elections. The rest would support a Ukrainian style coup d´état.
I also wonder why neither the Russians nor the Chinese are trying to create media in the West which are loyal to them. Since the West is supporting groups that intend to topple Putin and also seems to support pro-Western groups in Hong Kong I think that a response should be no surprise. But I can understand if the Chinese are afraid that the West would raise import duties if the Chinese indirectly would try to interfere in Western politics.
It also seems as if the big media, which a few months said that Swedish indirect military cooperation with Saudi Arabia must be ended since the Saudis violate human rights now almost think that Saudi Arabia is a Western democracy. In the Rapport TV newscast 6 PM yesterday they reported on how women for the first time were allowed to vote in Saudi elections. In the 7.30 PM newscast they reported on the indictment of a Chinese human right lawyer and that the Chinese government oppressed the opposition. The Saudi Arabian rulers stood out as far more sympathetic than the Chinese rulers to people who watched Swedish newscasts yesterday.
Excellent understanding.
"Swedish indirect military ..." Just for the record, could you cite some significant direct Swedish military actions?
FOI, the Swedish Defence Research Agency http://www.foi.se/en/ , intended to build a factory that would enable Saudi Arabia to restore and modify weapons (including Swedish weapons). When some journalists found out about this the big media claimed that this was outrageous and that FOI was trying to circumvent Swedish export regulations for weapons. In the big media, pundits and columnists then wailed about how Saudi Arabia chopped the head of people and discriminated against women. The big media stopped wailing about Saudi human rights violations when the deal was cancelled. Apparently, what was important was that some other country would get the contract.
this is true
Obviously, while the West is flying over Syria to fight or pretend to fight or to destroy any evidence of their support for ISIS since the get-go, the main reason they are flying over Syria -- and invited the French, English and German air forces to fly with them -- is so they do not lose control of the Syrian skies to the Russian fighters and bombers and to the S-400s.
The Turks are leaving northern Iraq...
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/20741/
According to Iraqi MP, Salim Al-Shabaki, Turkish troops have withdrawn from the Zilkan base in Northern Iraq. Turkish state media said it was what a military official source referred to as a “rearrangement”. This comes just hours after Turkish president, Erdogan stated that he had no intentions to pull Turkish troops out of the region, and Baghdad insisted it was a breach of Iraqi sovereignty. The developments are considered a triumph for Iraqi PM, Haider Al-Abadi, due to his perseverance in achieving a peaceful resolution with Ankara and Erbil. The announcement for withdrawal was made at 5:00AM local time.
Standard Disclaimer: I wonder if it was one of those GTFO moments where the Iraqi PM told Erdogan, "I'm making a phone call to Putin..."
It is so sad to see that Russia is the only one fighting for the good. They have their own interests of course, but they are crushing those fanatics day by day.
While our media still tells us about the supreme role of the west in Syria. But what have they done the last years, just until Putin himself set his feet on syrian ground. It is just obscure how the us&a have dropped bombs in the desert where no one has gone before.
Now the Saudis want to fight terrorists. But who believes that those terrorists are their brothers in faith of ISIL? Saudis and Turks will fight anyone trying to prevent stealing oil, because those are the terrorists for them.
Hey Tyler
Does not all this clearing
the way,
qualify the young
prince for the
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE
like O
is this your fathers socialism O
In respect to the former nobel peace price winner the next one should be ISIL.
This is a coalition of Sunni vs. Shia. A 'coalition of the killing' if you will. The German secret service BND considers this Mohammed bin Salem a very dangerous and rogue guy.
Expect Iran -on invitation of Iraq- to bring in troops into Iraq. The battlelines are being drawn and the rest of the world should be careful not to be suckered in.
Sunny v Shia has as much meaning as D vs R, or L vs right.
That distinction does NOT aid thinking.
It really has meaning for them because it defines who is the legitimate inheritor of Mo: his cousin or some other dude. It really is an inheritance matter over which they have been killing each other for centuries.
Oh wait, you're right, it does not aid thinking ;-)
So the internationalists are trying to save their skin with operation human arab shield. One can only wonder what the Russian response will be ! Any guesses ?
This is the new NATO of the Middle East. Nothing but a coalition of 'Sunni' dominated states that will be used to terrorize and overthrow the few remaining 'Shia' dominated states in the region, which are primarily Syria, Iraq, and Iran, aka enemies of the US, Israel, and the Sunnis themselves.
Turkey's recent provocations against Russia make total sense now. Nigeria's recent attacks on Shiites in their country also make sense now. Also, with Turkey being part of this new bloc, one would think any attack against any member of this coalition would also be considered an attack on Turkey which would then move down the chain to being a direct attack on NATO. In other words, thanks to Turkey, NATO just added 34 more new members. Shiites everywhere will now be labeled the so-called "terrorists" of the Middle East and hunted down. It's no coincidence that most, if not all of the nations of this coalition are known breeding grounds and safe havens for the Wahhabis, ISIL, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, and other terrorist organizations.
I wonder how many of these 34 members were on Russia's list of 40 nations funding ISIL.
Expect Turkey to step up their provocations against Russian ships in the Black and Mediterranean seas and use it as a pretext to block the canal linking the two seas.
The Middle East was already powder keg, but this just lit the fuse. We just got a lot closer to the new upcoming D-Day.
The "coalition" is nothing more than a list of the various nationalities that make up Saud's latest mercenary force. It's not the same as a group of nations allying for war. The media will never explain that in any meaningful way because the USA has been doing the same for decades.
BTW, the Pakistanis are denying that they have joined. The Pakistan Army would make up the bulk of this mercenary force and without them it's Yemen all over again.
Saudi Barbaria - and that's on a good day...
CALL THEM DAESH, the name they deserve.
Names do matter. ISIL/ISIS legitimizes their fictitious nation state.
Daesh, an adapted acronym of their Arabic name - Dawlat al-Islamiyah f'al-Iraq w Belaad al-Sham - is similar to another Arabic word - das - which means 'to trample down' or 'crush', which could therefore be the source of their dislike.
The group hates it so much, in fact, that they have reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses it in public.
Oh
the competition is grinding
on the Nobel list this year
for the young prince,
up head to head with
Nut an yahoo
plus
Zato's uBreed lovenot
or my favorite
UN's moonmebaby
Good luck no-bel
How old is the House of Saud? I think they are getting way over their heads, and I'm thrilled. They are losing in Yemen, good luck invading and holding Syria and Iraq. Sooner they blow their own feet off, the better for everybody.
According to John Perkins (Economic Hitman), the original Saud family has supported Wahabbi philosophy since the Imam Whabbi developed it in the 1780s or thereabouts.
What these towel heads don't realize is that (our anti-zionist savior) Putin will nuke mecca...
That I would LOVE to see. That and the crispiness of a freshly nuked zionistan.
Now, why can't the FSB find a way to get the towel heads and kykes to seriously fighting?
Hah- I've also fantasized about Putin nuking Mecca. Just annnounce to the sand niggers that we are done with their BS.
" That’s not a critique of Islam. It’s a critique of Wahhabism and the effect it has on the minds of those who are inculcated by Saudi culture. "
Pardon ?
Everything what happens in S.A. is according the qur'an .
Nothing what is forbidden in the qur'an happens in S.A. .
There is no light between the qur'an and a good muslim.
This support for radicalism abroad should come as little surprise given that Islamic State is an ideological cousin of Saudi Arabia’s own state-sponsored extremist Wahhabi sect . . . .
"An ideological cousin" of Wahhabism?? More like the fucking bastard child of it is more like it . . .
Agreed - cousin gets tossed around very loosely. For example, if Jerry Lee Lewis (the 'Killer') hadn't married his 'cousin' he was and would be as well known as the King.
Keep hearing, "US is trying to bait Russia into war"...As far as Russia is concerned, It started the minute Russia entered Syria.
Just a matter of time before the 'BOMB' decides who, if any has an advantage...Point of no return.
probably, like the thief in the night, when most will be snoring...won't feel a thing
Ousting Erdogan and his Son, and suspending/ousting TRK from NATO (unless the Erdogans are ousted) seem like prudent steps to take to curb a large-scale, Multi-Regional(MENA/Turko-Eastern Europe(include UKR here)/Eurasian) War with Global Escalation Potential.
Team_RUS can probably suppress a bulk of that w/Cruise Missiles and Bombs over KSA/SYR/UKR quickly; but something tells me that Teams_ZioCon/WahabiCon/NATONeoCon/UKRNaziCon will commit "real" (as in Govt, not just Mercs) Ground Troops to this endeavor.
BONUS: When I used a Spellchecker on my WdProc, LibreOffice suggested that I use "Underdog" for Erdogan...
LibreOffice was right.
After so many decades lying about how much oil they have, maybe Saudi Arabia is starting to see the bottom of the barrel. So take over a bunch of other fields in other countries. Of course they would just be keeping the peace. And extending their control of the flow from the countries they have to occupy to keep the terrorists out. Or the right terrorists in.
great time to arm Houthis and kick out the house of Saud
<-- CabalA$$LickerLiarPervertAddictObamma :
'De next Nobel peace prize mast go to Prince Salman of Saudi Arabia
or else'