European Nations Throw Up On EU Plan To Seize Border Sovereignty, Impose Standng Border Force

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Last week we reported that in a move which the FT dubbed would "arguably represent the biggest transfer of sovereignty since the creation of the single currency" Brussels was about to propose the creation of a standing European border force that could take control of the bloc’s external frontiers — even if a government objected.

Not unexpectedly, the plan went far beyond a Franco-German request to give Frontex more powers and staff. The request was made a few weeks after the Paris attacks, when frustration surfaced over Greece’s inability to better manage the flow of migrants as it emerged that at least two of the Paris attackers were registered as Syrian refugees on a Greek island. Why? Because Europe saw a real crisis opportunity and decided to jump on it.

As a result of this dramatic takeover of the most sacrosanct aspect of state sovereignty, a few unelected EU bureaucrats would effectively have veto rights over decisions how individuals states would police their borders: "Although member states would be consulted, they would not have the power to veto a deployment unilaterally."

Furthermore, the new agency would be able to deport people who do not have the right to remain in Europe, essentially voiding the protections that come with nationality at least among EU member states, as well as several that are currently outside of it.

The take home was simple: "goodbye sovereignty... all in the name of halting the endless onslaught of Syrian refugees, which ironically was unleashed in the first place just so Europe could get its supplies of natural gas from Qatar instead of Russia."

We wondered if Europe would quietly go along with this unprecedented sovereignty land grab by Brussels and Berlin, in the process admitting that the political structure of Europe has been forever changed and that Germany is effectively the new hegemon of the formerly independent states. And while the final outcome is almost preordained, because what Germany wants Germany will eventually get, the process will be noisier than expected.

According to the WSJ, the proposal to police the bloc’s external borders "is facing growing opposition ahead of an EU leaders’ summit this week on the continent’s migration crisis."

The first objecting state was, not surprisingly considering its history vis-a-vis German territorial and sovereign ambitions, Poland:

Polish Foreign Minister  Witold Waszczykowski said Monday that while his country welcomed the strengthening of EU’s existing border agency, Frontex, the commission’s plan went too far.

“Strengthening Frontex, creating a kind of border guard would by all means be needed, beneficial,” he said on his way into a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels. “But the way the commission proposed it—for it to be a structure independent from nation states—is astounding.

He added: “There’d be an undemocratic structure reporting to no one knows who.”

Well, that's the point!

The WSJ adds that Mr. Waszczykowski’s remarks were echoed by Hungary’s foreign minister Peter Szijjarto, who said that border controls were part and parcel of national sovereignty. “I would not support a diktat-based takeover of border controls,” Mr. Szijjarto said.

He also pointed out that the entire proposed pool of border guards wouldn’t suffice to guard just Hungary’s southern border. Indicatively, the commission’s proposal calls for at least 1,500 border guards that EU governments would have to put at the disposal of the new agency, to deploy within days should a crisis situation arise.

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras welcomed the proposal on Friday "but said that it would work only if his country retained the ultimate authority to police the borders. He also repeated the government’s opposition to joint sea patrols with Turkey—a long-standing request by his European peers."

Considering Greek banks still exist only at the mercy of the ECB, which means de facto, Europe, it is unclear just what leverage he has to demand conditions.

Others, however, did not have too much problems with ceding sovereignty to Brussels:

Slovak Foreign Minister  Miroslav Laj?ák, whose prime minister has gone so far as to ask that Greece to be kicked out of the Schengen accord, voiced cautious support for the plan Monday. “If one member state is unable to cope with its responsibilities, others should be able to come and assist,” he said. “We need a mechanism for that, the protection of the Schengen border is a shared responsibility.”

The defenders of the plan were ready: "diplomats from countries favorable to the project - including France, Germany and the Netherlands—said the commission’s plan was so ambitious for tactical reasons. “They put the bar so high because they know it will get watered down anyway,” one diplomat said."

So watered down from a demand for full abdication of sovereignty? Perhaps the compromise plan will reflect that. But what happens when the "Syrian refugee crisis" is not contained as a result of a "watered down" plan, or - as many expect will happen - there is another deadly terrorist act in Europe pushing the crisis level to new highs and emboldening Brussels to demand even more aggressive measures and even more steps that see individual state sovereignty disappear at the expense of a collective controlled by a handful of political (and financial ) oligarchs and plutocrats.

Once again we urge readers to keep a very close eye on this unprecedented attempt to dissolve Europe's borders because if it succeeds the implications would be far greater for the European project than a mere temporary or permanent Grexit.

Finally, we conclude as we always do when describing Brussels' unprecedented political power grab, with a simple forecast made by AIG in 2008, explaining "What Europe Wants."

To use global issues as excuses to extend its power:

  • environmental issues: increase control over member countries; advance idea of global governance
  • terrorism: use excuse for greater control over police and judicial issues; increase extent of surveillance
  • global financial crisis: kill two birds (free market; Anglo-Saxon economies) with one stone (Europe-wide regulator; attempts at global financial governance)
  • EMU: create a crisis to force introduction of “European economic government”

Unless the people of "Europe" finally stand up and reject the monster that has been spawned in Brussels, Europe will get all that it demands.

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sampo's picture

It's all machination.

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Chris Dakota (not verified) Boris Alatovkrap Dec 15, 2015 4:56 PM

Put Angel Merkel in a "Safe Space" problem solved.


Ghordius's picture

you would have to explain to her or any other European what a "safe space" is, beforehand. some stuff does not swap over that easily over the pond

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Chris Dakota (not verified) Ghordius Dec 15, 2015 5:07 PM

It's not a pond, it's an ocean.

It's not a small world afterall.


Ghordius's picture

that "it's a small world" thing... full of little european puppets and little houses and so. that's Disneyworld or something, isn't it?

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Ghordius Dec 15, 2015 5:11 PM

It was set up to brainwash little kids, this plan has been a long time in the making.

piliage's picture

Put Angel Merkel in a "Safe Space" problem solved.

The only safe space for that tin pot fascist is a SpaceX rocket pointed directly at the sun.

JuliaS's picture

Never let a good ...isis go to waste!

nuubee's picture

For a continent that often fancies itself as the cradle of the enlightenment, and birthplace of some of the worlds best classical thinkers, Europe does some really fucking dumb things.

Sudden Debt's picture

on a hourly basis...


Did you hear about the new speculation tax?

They'll tax all "speculative" bets in the stockmarket by taxing A EXTRA 30% ON YOUR GAINS if you sell stocks or options within the 6 months after you bought them.

Now if you're in options... that's not exactly what you want to hear...

so instead of people staying longer in those options, they'll just stop buying them because after the 20+15% they already take, another 30% just makes it totally unprofitable to buy them anymore concidering the risk and the fact that 90% of all option trades go bust.


And the option markets is actually a real supplier of credit for the stockmarket so guess what they've just created... 

And the expectations that they'll bridge their budget with that supposed extra income... it will actually go down.

I call it the biggest stupidest mistake of the decade already.

Why would you want to be in stocks anymore these days? A dividend? They almost tax it all.

Gains? They not only tax it but try to force you to take more risk than anybody can handle.


And it's almost every day now that there's something that makes sure nobody makes a euro anymore. It's just insane right now.

Savings are now also on the table to tax more and "sleeping savings" will also be used to bridge local govrnment "investments"...

Over here in Europe, you've got every insentive to buy gold and silver, dig a big hole and burry it for a decade.

44magnum's picture

Gotta start a one world government somehwere.

Black Forest's picture

Central government is destined to reside at Kabul or Tripoli airport. It's much easier to close all borders then.


BarnacleBill's picture

Yes, I think this is the actual danger. Well spotted. Encouraging illegal immigrations from the Middle East and North Africa never did make sense except in the context of a common EU external border. Spare a thought, too, for Norway and Switzerland - not in the EU but just as vulnerable to the immigrant invasions as EU members are.


Ghordius's picture

could please, please, please someone explain to me what all this has to do with "one world government"?

it's a damn proposal, for criminy, and Athens is evaluating it, not kicking and screaming against it

the same capital with a government that would not mind at all to be just federated into the EU, but I digress

and we are talking about a border guard of some 1'500 patrolmen. the 28 sovereigns of the EU have together over one million military personnel

the Greek Army alone has a peacetime personnel of 90'000. and a wartime size of a quarter of a million

seriously, this kind of articles just show how childish all those discussions in the media around the EU have become

what is next, the US Coast Guard being finally found out as the secret military of the "One World Gov"?

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Ghordius Dec 15, 2015 5:00 PM

^hasn't learned yet how to be multicultural.

Ghordius's picture

I don't have to learn how to be multicultural, a major difference in my eyes

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Ghordius Dec 15, 2015 5:09 PM

Why so serious?..:)

laugh a little...all accounts will soon be settled.



Urban Redneck's picture

Sorry I couldn't get back to you Friday morning but I had a .gov paperwork day.  In regards to the seemingly small 1,500 agent number, I would point out that there are only 1,300 RSOs at DSS (most of whom are actually stationed in the major domestic US field offices).  Yet despite their small numbers they effectively operate in over 200 countries, commanding everyone from US Marines, CIA (GRS), and FBI to local private security and law enforcement.  So taking into account European inefficiency- 1,500 agents for the 28 EU member states sounds about right. 

More seriously, I don't think Brussels' design would be an either/or proposition, but rather a both mandate, with the member states' agencies being effectively subjugated. In the US there is approximately a 1:10 ratio between the 120k federal law enforcement officers and the 1.2M state and local law enforcement officers.  The US military has become more unitary over the decades (1.3M active duty, 375k federal militia, and 460k state militia).  Remember when all those US governors who didn't support Bush's Iraq adventure actually ordered their troops to stand down (instead of just wining about it)? Neither do I... 

Just look at the list of Federal law enforcement agencies in the USSA... The sky is the limit for the aspiring Euro-Nazi.  The US Customs and Border Patrol was established July 31, 1789.  I would guess that next up after they work out the details of "external borders" will be some analogue of the Department of the Treasury revenuers in the US (FINCEN, IRSCI, Secret Service, ATF), or they could just give guns and arrest powers to the desk jockeys at headquarters.  

Given the ignorance of the masses, and the leverage that Brussels/ECB can wield over national leaders (like the Hopey Changey Olive Nigger), I would say the slope is very slippery and Newton's first law applies here.


Ghordius's picture

Urban Redneck, this is - as often - an excellent answer... focused on what happened in the US

meanwhile, we have here a completely different starting point, as I have often pointed out. it start with the fact that we don't have member states, we have member countries

in the context of this perceived and propagated conflict between nationalism and internationalism, this is the most important and neglected point of all

this is Europe. we had in the past no compunction having even wars among countries... while they were members of "supranational entities" like the HRE

the Thirty Year's War for example... ended confirming both the status of the empire... and the sovereignty of the countries that were members of it

our history is not comparable to your history, our methods and standard approaches are not comparable to yours, with the possible exception of the UK

Urban Redneck's picture

The respective starting points are structurally the same, where the US and Europe differ is the age and foundation/tradition of the States.  Those differences make Progress! slower in the EU as there is more barbarous "tradition" to overcome, but they do appear to be making progress towards the admitted goals of certain leaders.  The use of Treaties to bypass the sovereign in EU member States is a different mechanism, while the centralization of regulation appears similar in both, and TTIP would appear to be one step beyond for both.  The US's war between the States was a war between the States was admittedly different, and many of the "formalities" of State sovereignty/Rights in the US died with the war e.g. State militias and State control of draft quotas.

Given that the elected leaders at the State level appear to be willing to cede sovereignty, and central authorities appear to be willing to replace (Burlusconi) or reprogram (Tsipiras) leaders who will not tow the line- How is the evolution of the EU into a quasi-EUSSR with only a relative fig leaf of State sovereignty a highly UNLIKELY outcome?  Hungary is leading the resistance now, but how long can they hold out if the delicate balance of CHF-HUF collpases?  The ECB and lure of almost unlimited fiat is a power of the purse mechanism of promoting conformity that didn't exist last time, during the Latin Monetary Union.  Morover, every time crisis rears its head only the EU unitarists seem to put forth any sort of viable compromise.   


1776 - The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America... We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled...  That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States (USD 1.0 common currency rollout)

1777 (The Articles of Confederation came into effect 1781) - The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America".

1789 - We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.



1992 - Maastrict Treaty - EU is born.

2001 - EUR 1.0 common currency came into effect

2004 - The European Constitution is signed (fortunately some people rose up the next year and prevented ratification)

2007 - Lisbon Treaty (since the serfs can't be trusted to vote "correctly")

2010-2015 - First a debt crisis, then an immigration crisis that the Federalist/Unitarists strategists aren't letting go to waste

Ghordius's picture

UR, again, a splendid comment. and I still disagree

A Treaty... isn't a a Constitution. That was the whole point of rejecting the EU Constitution and having treaties, instead

every and each time you saw pressure on a sovereign country... it was diplomatic pressure. country to country, parliament to parliament, gov to gov

where you see diplomatic pressure... you see sovereigns. operating and interacting with each other (insert Clausewitz remark from memory here? not necessary with you)

and that is the water all sovereigns swim in... with one great exception, which is the whole thing about US Exceptionalism, the US being immune to diplomatic pressure

Urban Redneck's picture

Now diplomacy I do understand, and I had not considered in detail.  However, while it certainly alters the timeline by reducing the velocity of change, I don't see diplomacy as an insurmountable obstacle to those who seek Progress!.  (Another Clausewitz quote regarding the pursuit of objectives and the ambition of leaders comes to mind...)

One reason I see diplomacy as surmountable (given the right battleground) is that the people who act as sovereigns at the State level are the same people who wield supranational authority in Brussels.  Perfidious Albion being the most glaring example of "jurisdiction shopping" for moar power by Heads of Government to implement Hope & Change that cannot be sold to the home Parliament.

The other primary reason being "jurisdiction shopping" by private monied interests who seek to change policy for their own benefit.  How powerful is the Olive Oil Mafia that actually came one step from prohibiting shared table condiments?  And if the olive oil lobby can get that close, what usurpations of national sovereignty can the Banks and Manufacturers achieve (outside of Greece, where they can apparently purchase almost any policy desired) 


Ghordius's picture

UR, of course up to a certain point we are discussing here how the sockpuppets are to be shaped or shaping and not about the handsin the sockpuppets

and yes, the Ol' UK is a splendid example for doing things in Brussels which might be noticed if done in Westminster

but the Olive Oil Lobby is a bad example, imho. After all, it lost. And southerners still find disgusting what is allowed to be done in the north of europe

if the Olive Oil Lobby - which only asked for a packaging standard for all vegetable oils in public spaces offering - was really the biggest problem we have in the EU, I'd be a very happy and cheerful old man

progress happens... eventually. everybody get's dragged "kicking and screaming in the Century of the Fruitbat"... eventually. for the simplest reasons that the well meaning equalitarians will never stop asking "why this and that?" and the liberals (classic) will never stop asking "why not?", and every generation of conservatives up to a certain point leaves the reins to younger hands*

(* mea culpa, mea maxima culpa, the one cry that every citizen ought to make, from time to time)

unicorn's picture

i would add the Troika to your list u.redneck.....

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--------- (not verified) Dec 15, 2015 4:19 PM

i dont get it   do they want to built a wall, so the europeans cant flee to russia when ww3 starts?


just a hint: you cant construct a wall anywhere near poland and latvia. because polskis and latvian farmers will steal the brics and fences and sell them on ebay.

but as far as i can remember latvians still dont have electricty so they cant use internet nor they ever have seen a computer.

they usually use dummys made out of wood to pretend to have computers so tourists do not laugh about them. if a latvian steals somethng its just out of genetical tradition

Ghordius's picture

first, Russians are Europeans, too. second, fleeing to Russia? a very foreign thought. we are more used to think about fleeing from Russia

whom would we be fleeing from, exactly? or, just as a second thought, why should we have a WWIII for? to make Uncle Sam happy? even Russia would say: NJET

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--------- (not verified) Ghordius Dec 15, 2015 6:03 PM



good questions

"russians are Europeans, too" yes and no - the right naming would be "eurasian"

1st. slavic race is of different origin

2nd. todays russians are not a single folk, they consist of more than 140 ethnic groups and include 4 major religions: christanity, filthy islam, jew and buddhism


the problem with europe is, that the wealth of europe is completely fake. (and eu/nato is an american ruled colony after ww2)

europe dont have oil, metal, gas, etc  -the tiny aviable resourced are barely enougth to supply 5% of the economy

it means if a serious war will break out, it could* happen that europe will fall into what it really is - an empty shit hole


*i dont say it will, im just checking all possibilities


in reality africa is much richer than europe. a average life standart of a person do not represent its real worth nor the country.

iraq has the second biggest natural oil-reserves and a potencial solar-energy market, yet its a shit-hole


today russia is not a great place to live in but in 50 or 100 years it could be completely different

an migration to russia alredy occured once with the germans and jews 200 years back

as far as i know. prior 1990 there was a huge german minority in russia: 2-4 million people(?)


they bring in massive muslim population to europe, canada, (usa soon) - it will end in a civil war

like lebanon

like yugoslavia

multiculturalism will never work, especially if the religion and the fundamental thinking is different


and i dont know if we will have a ww3 but it looks like yes to me

-nuclear armrace

-serous conflicts in ME

-nato provoking war

you know how the ww1 started? similar set up as today

KnuckleDragger-X's picture

Danged proles! Don't they know that the aristocracy knows best?

vegas's picture

Just when you think the U.S. leads the world in being fucked up and ruled by elites who have no clue, along comes Europe to reclaim first place. 

FixItAgainTony's picture

It's puppeteers on the strings of puppeteers all the way down.

harrybrown's picture

"Read the protocols of zion" for next weeks news & the next 10 years re to the globalist agenda....
its all laid out & planned... it'd save ZH having to write so many article's on EU Border changes, as its all written down like a scripted movie.

Ian Kagedan Said in 1991 at the canadian Jewish Congress B'nai & B'rith that:
Memory of the holocaust is central to the New World Order

The Protocols of Zion
Goyim are mentally inferior to Jews and can’t run their nations properly. For their sake and ours, we need to abolish their governments and replace them with a single government. This will take a long time and involve much bloodshed, but it’s for a good cause. Here’s what we’ll need to do:

• Place our agents and helpers everywhere
• Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
• Start fights between different races, classes and religions
• Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
• Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
• Appeal to successful people’s egos
• Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
• Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
• Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
• Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
• Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
• Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
• Rewrite history to our benefit
• Create entertaining distractions
• Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
• Encourage people to spy on one another
• Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
• Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
• Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
• Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
• Replace sound investment with speculation
• Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
• Give bad advice to governments and everyone else
Eventually the Goyim will be so angry with their governments (because we’ll blame them for the resulting mess) that they’ll gladly have us take over. We will then appoint a descendant of David to be king of the world, and the remaining Goyim will bow down and sing his praises. Everyone will live in peace and obedient order under his glorious rule.

redman38's picture

God has the finally say. This too will fail

redman38's picture

God has the finally say. This too will fail

Normalcy Bias's picture

War is coming, BIG WAR...

Implied Violins's picture

I dunno, one nuke on Brussels would go a long way.

FixItAgainTony's picture

add three more targets and the human race might find its way to peace and prosperity.

post turtle saver's picture

“There’d be an undemocratic structure reporting to no one knows who.”

which has been the whole fucking point from the very beginning...

Jayda1850's picture

But the way the commission proposed it—for it to be a structure independent from nation states—is astounding.

He added: “There’d be an undemocratic structure reporting to no one knows who.”

Hey fuckwad, what the fuck do you think the goddamn European Union is??

trader1's picture

what the fuck do you think the goddamn United States is?

Jayda1850's picture

Granted. Our illusion of choice is better propagandized.

Vinividivinci's picture

Euorpeans suck...buncha tards. The frogs, the wops, the spics, the greek ass fuckers...every godamn decision they make, they fuck themselves into a deeper hole...each of them has long standing spycho issues since god knows when...mafia, unions, separatists...either revolt or shut the fuck up and take it in the ass and enjoy the muzzie invasion.

Tinky's picture

That's the kind of carefully considered, eloquently expressed comment that reflects the typically high level of sophistication of nuanced, American understanding of foreign countries.

Joe A's picture

Biggest mistake that Europeans and European countries made is thinking that America is their friend.

FixItAgainTony's picture

They should have been, except Europa's great-grandparents burned it to the ground, creating a power vacuum filled by American intel agencies.