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GOP Debate Post-Mortem: "Chaos" Trump, "Full Vagina" Fiorina, & "Thug-Life" Cruz

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Despite the best efforts to "Le Pen" Trump out of the debate, he still managed to garner the highest votes among poll audiences with regard who 'won' the debate, focusing on killing ISIS family members, border walls, shutting down the internet, and fixing America's roads and bridges. Ben Carson's moment of silence was his first truthful statement in months. The comes the Cruz-Rubio-Paul-Kasich death-match of who can explain Sunni-Shia turmoil in the most confusing way (with 'coughing' Cruz calling himself the most determined "thug" and Rubio lashing out at Cruz's plans to carpet-bomb Syria). Jeb took a swing at Trump as the "chaos president" and missed. In sum, aside from an Iowa conservative radio host who endorsed Cruz proclaiming Fiorina went "full vagina," the GOP debate appeared more a dick-measuring competition as contestant after contestant lined up to seem more hawkish.

 

And the winner is...

To better understand the evening's tensions...

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So we start with Ben Carson's moment of slience for San Bernardino...

Quickly followed by Fiorina's opening statement, as the ex-Hewlett Packard CEO detailed overcoming adversity in her life during the remarks - "I have been tested. I have beaten breast cancer, I have buried a child," Fiorina said. "I started as a secretary, and I fought my way to the top of corporate America while being called every b-word in the book," which was described by a conservative Iowan radio host and Cruz endorser...

 

 

Christie made the statement of the night...

 

Rand Paul took a swing at Trump's "close that internet thing"...

 

And then Paul moved on to Rubio's mass surveillance state plans...

 

Cruz vs Rubio got quite heated at times as they sparred over who was the bigger thug, warmonger, slayer of nations...

 

 

A quick moment of slience for Lindsey Graham's campaign as he apologized to America for Donald Trump...

After talking about the importance of destroying the Islamic State, Jeb Bush turned his fire on Mr. Trump: “Donald is great at the one-liners, but he’d be a chaos candidate and he’d be a chaos president.”

Mr. Trump accused Mr. Bush of attacking only because his campaign has been “a total disaster” and “nobody cares.”

 

 

John Harwood actually reflected something intelligent...

 

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Finally a quick summary of the news...

 

Summing it all up nicely...

 

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Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:10 | 6929014 LetThemEatRand
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With the exception of Rand Paul, this was a contest of who can shove the Constitution the furthest up the ass of the American pubic [sic].  And Rand wants to give the country to big corporations.  This is the answer to Hillary?  We're fucked.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:25 | 6929090 tmosley
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"Rand wants to give the country to big corporations."

Sure he does. That's why he gets so much money from them.

Puts your name in a slightly different light, at least.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:27 | 6929099 LetThemEatRand
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Rand isn't a sell-out. He just believes in big corporations.  

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:39 | 6929163 Skateboarder
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bigCorp, like bigAnything = Serfdom.

Whatever happened to the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker? Oh that's right - they either went out of business competing with bigCorp or got M&Ad into bigCorp.

Sounds cliche, but "go local" and "support Mom'n'Pop" smallbiz...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:09 | 6929253 Money Counterfeiter
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Rand Paul the only human in the debate.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:35 | 6929313 The9thDoctor
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Jeb Bush is unelectable and needs to dropout.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:11 | 6929389 Four chan
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its funny how hard his brother fucked him. he would make a 100x better president than his bro but since he fucked up so bad we elected a black muslim sympathizer of isis or isil as it likes to refer to them. if george washington had the last name bush he couldn't get elected now.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:59 | 6929477 Lore
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These people have their facts so scrambled that there's no point even listening to them. And that should terrify everyone: these SICK, TWISTED, MISGUIDED FOOLS are vying for position of President of the Untied States and Command-in-Chief of the United States Military?!  Are you kidding?!

You morons want to" fight terror?"  Then stop sponsoring, supporting, training, equipping, raising and provoking them.  Furthermore, ENOUGH ALREADY WITH THE GOD DAMNED FALSE FLAGS.

God, what a sick nation.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 03:48 | 6929522 chumbawamba
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CHOOSE YOUR SLAVE MASTER YOU IGNORANT HEATHENS.

I AM CHUMBAWAMBA.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 04:01 | 6929533 Tyler Durderian
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Regardless whom you'll elect as MASTER, he will pee all over you.

Just train yourself to love it, like the Europeans already have.


http://goo.gl/QC3VhN

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 04:07 | 6929538 HowdyDoody
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"focussing on killing ISIS family members"?

WTF. Your brother does something bad so it is OK for the US to kill you. How perfectly Zionist.

'I am not my brother's keeper'

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 05:44 | 6929615 NidStyles
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On a better note, for hte first time in 70 years, Mein Kampf will be on sale in Germany again.

 

This was announced during the rioting of "diversity" in Hamburg. 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 06:23 | 6929632 VinceFostersGhost
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Explain to me again why Rand Paul sucked Mitch McConnell's dick.

 

Unlike a lot of people....I actually pay attention to this crap.

 

If that makes you mad......good.....it should have.

 

Screw Common Core.....global warming.....and our Saudi sponsored President.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 06:55 | 6929664 turtle
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Don't know who won but the U.S. certainly came last in this disgusting international display of arrogance and stupidity.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 07:58 | 6929714 jeff montanye
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if bombs stopped terrorism we'd be set by now.

we are doing israel's bidding to surround it with failed states torn in pieces by civil war.

yes, oh yes, creating the breeding ground of terrorists, not to mention legions of international sympathizers in an era of instant global communications.

the worst policy possible.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 10:03 | 6930043 Manthong
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Real alpha males tend to come out on top.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 09:36 | 6929962 Deus Irate
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turtle, after that shit-show Billary takes the lead. The republicans have split hopelessly and may not ever again win the big chair. They might even lose congress, again. Kinda bolsters my theory about the tea party being a democrat black-op. The repubicans are done.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 20:00 | 6932761 turtle
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@DI. I am very heartened to see 14 up votes as I was honestly expecting a wave of down votes for my comment.

I really hope the U.S. can work out a genuine and peaceful solution.

Billary is definitely not the answer. You may be right about the Tea Party.

As an outsider, Bernie Sanders still seems to make the most sense but I know he is demonised internally as a socialist and still represents one of the major parties (an obvious but unavoidable problem with political systems dominated by just two major parties). Let’s at least hope that IF he becomes president he doesn’t make Billary his vice-president, otherwise the U.S. will be odds-on to experience its fifth(!) presidential assassination in 150 years:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 06:28 | 6929641 new game
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why couldn't a loud explooosion have happened?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 09:32 | 6929939 toady
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I believe it's called "trickle down".

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 05:47 | 6929617 illyia
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I second that emotion.

The future is not so bright, and we are already wearing the shades.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 07:09 | 6929676 VinceFostersGhost
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Living behind enemy lines....since 1913.

 

Show me William Wallace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 06:26 | 6929638 Victor von Doom
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Your photo says it all. The source of the evil is in the Fed. End that, free America.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:12 | 6929390 tmosley
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Nah, split the cuck vote. Assuming they get let out of their sheds to vote.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:49 | 6929462 azusgm
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Jeb probably won't drop out until Rubio has been totally co-opted into becoming Jeb by any other name.

Monday was the last day for a candidate to file in Texas for a spot on the primary ballot. We won't know exactly who filed here until the list is posted on the 23rd. I had expected to see Mitt enter the race in order to replace Jeb. Since the likely Republican voters have rejected that idea, Rubio looks like he may be the Bushie's boy. Even at that, I don't expect to see the Bush camp throw too much beyond money in Rubio's direction.

Jeb's son George P. is being set up to be another Bush president. He currently is the Land Commissioner in Texas. Gregg Abbott is raising money although he is not on the ballot again until 2018. The Bush camp may be planning on sticking George P in the governor's seat in 2018 so that he can run for president in 2020.

Sick of the Bush machine.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 03:01 | 6929485 Lore
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How about the Clinton Machine?  If Hillary gets in, you might as well turn out the lights.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 04:01 | 6929535 azusgm
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The Clintons mirror the Bushes but in a less genteel way. The Clintons are thugs. Of course, their machine is lined up to launch Chelsea in a run for the White House.

Just checked my email and found a poll from the Republican Party of Texas. They wanted me to choose a presidential candidate and running mate. You could write in a name if so desired. One of the options for VP was Mitt Romney. These people just won't quit pushing Romney.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 04:44 | 6929572 Miles Ahead
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But Chelsea is not a Clinton.  She's a Hubbell.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:03 | 6929725 jeff montanye
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she's a mezvinsky

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:05 | 6929729 Farqued Up
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Speaking of Chelsea, is Hubbell out of jail, dead, exiled?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 09:26 | 6929917 Whoa Dammit
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Please tell me there isn't really a George Pee Bush. Shudders.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:01 | 6929719 Farqued Up
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Uh, uh, nope, look who votes, the sleazier the higher the electability. Dress his ass up and he's still sleazy.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 12:27 | 6930787 AIfhu
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Yes, go home Jebitto!

Watch out for the next Bush - George P. Bush is Texas Land Commissioner.  George P. Bush is Jebbito's Hispanic son.  The Bush family and the RINO establishment are grooming him to be a future President.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:25 | 6929287 Oldwood
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Going local is he only means of preserving liberty. It's "Constitutional".

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:43 | 6929330 urrterrible
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@Skateboarder...Once a month I read something I really agree with, your comment takes December down.  Glad someone else is out there that understands how a real economy should work.  I'll buy you a beer/scotch anytime my friend.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:41 | 6929174 tmosley
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Like all liberals, you continue to fail to understand human motives and incentives. It doesn't matter if a politician is a sell out or not. If they have policies that are in your favor, you give them money. They don't give him money, therefore his policies are not in their favor PERIOD.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:44 | 6929182 ThroxxOfVron
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Rand apparently believes in sucking AIPAC noodle, too.

-So, NO thanks...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:30 | 6929307 Chief Wonder Bread
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To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:21 | 6929409 Bananamerican
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egad! It's Mooselimbs!!!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 05:46 | 6929616 NidStyles
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Incorrect, it's the Whos, no wait the, Haebs! Shit! That is not it. The Jews, that's it!!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 06:28 | 6929643 Victor von Doom
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The Zios in the Fed.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:08 | 6929737 jeff montanye
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and the defense department, the justice department, the treasury department, the state department, hollywood (movies and television), the new york times, the washington post, the wall street journal.

the ones in israel you can criticize a little, like it matters, like they care.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 10:14 | 6930079 11b40
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All the dual citizens. NONE should be allowed in elective office, or hold any position requiring a security clearance.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:35 | 6929314 Redneck Hippy
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If I had to award the winner's trophy to this abomination of a debate, I guess it would go to Rand Paul.

But my concern is more personal.  I have followed this site for years, but it has been a struggle.  I had Adguard and Pop-up blockers, and on my previous computer I could follow what was happening.  i got a new Windows 10 machine that seems to work for other websites, but Zerohedge is just a mess. 

There is not even a contact site you can complain to.  Zerohedge as a site is totally aligned with their message that everything is fucked.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:55 | 6929355 guessagain
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I'm just guessing that Win10 is a Bill Gates product, eh?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:59 | 6929364 orelius
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Firefox + AdBlock addon are your firends. Ghostery if you're on mobile.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:56 | 6929476 zhandax
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Mozilla and Adblock Plus are essential.  I even have to use them on Linux.  I say Mozilla, because I use SeaMonkey at home due to the integrated email client although I use Firefox at work where I am stuck in a windoz/outlook environment.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:05 | 6929377 r00t61
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Considering the fact that Windows 10 is a virus masquerading as an operating system, I'd say you have bigger problems than being able to read ZH.

Firefox + Noscript.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 05:34 | 6929605 Newspeaktogo
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Thanks for the laugh.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:13 | 6929745 Farqued Up
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I'm all Apple and not a problem. I would suspect that Bilderberger Bill Gates at Microsoft has sabotaged all Windows to read TILT when it lands on ZH.

Yeah, I could actually buy in on that Conspiracy Theory absent any Investigative Reporting.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:58 | 6929813 flapdoodle
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When the "event" occurs, Windows 10 will already be running the NSA package and will make sure all internet activity is properly guided by the US Deep State handlers.

I am amazed how insidious Windows 10 behaves in forcing Win7 and Win8 over to Win10. Why are they so anxious to do this?

Linux is not perfect, but it is light years freer than the products the psychopath Bill Gates foisted on the World...

To anyone running MS Windows anything, free yourself. All you have to do is take off your chains and be willing to learn something new. In a week or two you will wonder what took you so long to make the switch...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 11:25 | 6930358 More Ammo
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"Zerohedge as a site is totally aligned with their message that everything is fucked."

Sadly I think Redneck is right as this site us toxic without adblock and ghostery, it will take a machine down. Sad that we are forced to buy a collectivist product as so many sheeple don't get it. Go Linux.

 

Maybe it's the Tylers' way of demonstrating reality...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:26 | 6929094 A Nanny Moose
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No..this was a contest of who could ilicit the greatest collective /gag reflex.

 

It's a fucking tie.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:38 | 6929319 McMolotov
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Sounds like things went as expected, so I didn't miss much. Time to hit the sack. Everyone remember to check under your beds for ISIS!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:26 | 6929095 A Nanny Moose
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No..this was a contest of who could ilicit the greatest collective /gag reflex.

 

It's a fucking tie.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:14 | 6929749 jeff montanye
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ilicit isn't a word.  you mean elicit.  ilicit is almost illicit or illegal/prohibited.  that is also a correct use of the slash as opposed to yours.

don't get me wrong.  i like nannies and moose.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 10:49 | 6930206 A Man of Wealth...
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You're engaging in pedantry - bordering on an exercise in semantics. And as you may well know ZH is decidedly anti-semantic.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:28 | 6929104 astartes09
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Naw man, you forgot Bernie Sanders.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 06:31 | 6929636 VinceFostersGhost
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Proving once again.....you can't fix stupid.

 

Stupid is 4EVA....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQv7Tr8HbGE

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:16 | 6929751 jeff montanye
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i like it that the least zionist candidate for president in either the republican or democratic party is a jew with a thick brooklyn accent.

that's quite the tell.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:07 | 6929159 Demdere
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I am as down on Rand as anyone, but that is not Rand's particular problem, and you are wrong if you think it is a general Libertarian problem.

Rand is not attacking their weakness, 9/11 or even hard on funding ISIS, just said 'allies who fund' in the bits I saw.

Anyone who doesn't see that is their weakness or can't stand up to MSM and the crew is too weak to lead or to warped by nearness to power to undersand the obvious.

Anyway, this is useless as a way to run a debate, it favors facadists, sound bites, low info rate and amount, and reduces us all to the debates we see here.

This would really inform us and we would have to endure the phonies :

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...

And someone would have asked The Donald about the many things in his past in a way he couldn't wiggle out of so neatly.  That man is not anything like what he wants us to believe, we would be stupid to believe so : I should have named this "We are being played". The man is a crisis actor for the GOP, so far as I can tell.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:02 | 6929363 Theta_Burn
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Wed, 12/16/2015 - 07:44 | 6929693 HugoMorao95
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Wed, 12/16/2015 - 07:53 | 6929706 overmedicatedun...
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Mr Mencken has it all in one sentence:

"the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:43 | 6929450 nightmareuki
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thats why he wants to remove every fucking loophole/deduction they have? are trolling or are you brain damaged?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 05:29 | 6929598 TheBeatles
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Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:10 | 6929021 90's Child
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No Deez Nuts in the polls?

 

What a shame.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:04 | 6929225 PersonalRespons...
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Where the fuck are these polls? I looked around and nothing. They must be made up. Show me a poll I can vote in... please.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:43 | 6929448 Not Goldman Sachs
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You are not in that club.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:11 | 6929022 Duc888
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my head was spinning...

Jesus, how the hell can these people fucking LIE so much   "had assad been bombed two years ago when he used gas against his own people"

WTF?

Turkey funnelled the gas to the "less moderate" terrorists who used them against the civilians in Syria.

...and Carly.... Putin did not LIE to Obama....why should he announce his plans to wallop ALL the terrorists (US Mercs included) in Syria?

God... these people are blowing out so many 1/2 truths and outright lies it's more like a cartoon.

....and the fat ass from NJ, "Reckless is letting Russia into Crimea"  Hey dude, Crimea has been part of Russia since Catherine the Great.  It's already Russian.  LOL.

 

I'm scared shitless now.  Isis, Isis, Isis, holy fucking shit give it a rest ok?

Who was it again that funded them, trained them, airdropped them weapons?  Who tried to bomb them for 18 months and ..ummm..."missed"?

 

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:16 | 6929049 Gregor Samsa
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That's why Trump is winning. He might be a moron about a lot of things, but he lies the least.  

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:32 | 6929128 847328_3527
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Cruz can shove "Determined Thug" attitude up his buttsky. We a.lready have one in the wh...dont need any moar.

 

Sorry but The Donald is the only one I see even remotely representing the middle class ... he has my vote as of right now.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:43 | 6929177 Demdere
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https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...

Trump is NOT a conservative choice in any sense of 'conservative' that I can see.  Not cautious, nor judicious, nor wise, nor conserving of the best of our present, our fundamental values.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:53 | 6929206 Gregor Samsa
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Modern conservatism has long since abandoned those principles you speak of. Today, being a conservative means you agree with more power being in the hands of corporations instead of goverment. A liberal wants more power in the hands of government. But the difference between the two, particularly in the USA is razor thin. The reality is that both sides are corrupted and screwing over the regular population.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 09:09 | 6929841 flapdoodle
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Well said. Of course, there is also the Conservative bent to support Israel no matter what. The Oded Yinon architected chaos we are now seeing in the ME would make Barry Goldwater puke his guts out.

The last remnants of true Conservativism are more like Pat Buchanan.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:05 | 6929237 dark pools of soros
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you are wanking on a limp dick position.   you'd be better off trying to build a time machine to the 1800's than find whatever you are looking for..  unless you are just trolling trump which is what everyone sees ya for

 

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 09:01 | 6929836 FrankDrakman
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demdere: Did it never occur to you that Trump is putting on his buffoon act because he knows it's ratings gold, that he's getting so much free media publicity it's saving him millions, and that he knows the average American voter doesn't have the patience to listen to anything 'cautious' or 'judicious' or 'wise' because, you know, football or American Idol? He gives them what they want so they will give him what he wants - the Presidency. 

Remember, the man's book was called "The Art of the Deal". The best negotiators find a way to get what they want out of a deal without leaving the other side feeling fleeced (for a while, anyway). When Trump's in office, I doubt he'll be as black and white about things as he is on the stump. But talking in nuance on the campaign trail, while honest, leaves one in the dust. Ron Paul, for example. 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:24 | 6929414 surf0766
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Bubba Trump supporting middle class. You fuckin douchebag... Get a clue

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 04:50 | 6929579 Miles Ahead
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Word.

Couldn't believe he said that either.  It's hopeless ain't it.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:17 | 6929053 Id fight Gandhi
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Yeah they want everyone in fear. Israel has been funding, backing and looking the other way.

 

Sorry,the pussies in black pajams don't scare me. The economy being run by a cartel of gangsters does. But hey don't ever mention that elephant.

 

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:18 | 6929065 LetThemEatRand
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Cristie said the problem is that Obama scaled back spying.  Cruz said he increased spying but maybe not enough.  Trump said we need more spying. Fiorina said the government needs to spend more time checking your Facebook.  etc.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:29 | 6929113 Billy the Poet
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You've just described the cream of the crop of elected government which you hold up as the only possible system by which individuals can be organized. Seriously, dude, can't you admit that you not only have the right to live as you please and not at the behest of these moronic candidates but that you could also run your own life far, far better than any of the candidates could?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:48 | 6929191 Demdere
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Nobody is at all satisfied with any, but they are the only choices we have.

No, that is frame, the reality we can have anyone we can decide on.  We don't owe the GOP nor the Democratic party anything, they are the problem, they are broken, they are what needs replaced for our Freedom.

ISIS and other terrorists and foreign enemies are the excuses. Guys with guns are the excuse for the liberals to be afraid, bad ISIS-inspired the excuse for conservatives.

Conservatives call the liberal wusses for being afraid of white guys wkilling people, liberals shout in fear of the white guys with guns, and the political system goes on, not much bothered because there was so little reality to worry about, tell the Agency to tone their ffs down a bit.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:13 | 6929262 dark pools of soros
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who's the 'we' and 'our'?  look around and you'll see there ain't that much of what you might think is some big group left.   go and try to talk to anyone and you'll see you will just get into some shouting match of who can force their ignorance more on each other.  people are DUMB AS SHIT and mad if you try to learn'em of anything

 

when you get away form the mass media and corporate influences you'll see that peace on Earth is a default of nature.  people innantely care about each other with no outstanding fears. turn on the news, etc for a few weeks and everyone is mistrusting and cuttroating each other

 

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:39 | 6929324 The9thDoctor
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It's all good. Donald Trump told Alex Jones that he "won't let him down"

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:06 | 6929379 ThroxxOfVron
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" people are DUMB AS SHIT and mad if you try to learn'em of anything "

 

It is considered CONDESCENDING to attempt to inform ignorant fuckwits as to their deficit.

I hear this emotional reactionary bullshit all the time.

People continually assert the importance of their opinions and feelings as if these somehow supercede mathematics and facts.

"You disrespecting me!"

NO.  The FACT is: your opions are NOT facts.

Anger, resentment: end of communication...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:39 | 6929441 MsCreant
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Mine this Sunday agreed with all I said, but then told me there is nothing else better than the system we have, so it just is the way it is. [Sigh]. He was trying to shut me up. Worked.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 03:42 | 6929518 Lore
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Things are so weird now that when you try to explain, sheeple think YOU'RE weird!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 06:38 | 6929656 nmewn
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lol...and thats a fact.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:38 | 6929153 thinkmoretalkless
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Bush looked like a tv weatherman who is told his fly is open.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:48 | 6929341 Fullthrottle
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Ole four eyes just dont get it. He honestly thinks because hes in the Bush Olygharchy he deserves the WH. Its almost Hysterical if it wasnt sad. 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:02 | 6929232 PersonalRespons...
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They are not lying, they are uneducated. Big difference.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:12 | 6929025 TheAntiProgressive
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CNN fueled character assassinations and propagated political food fights.  The Dems instead skate into a ghosted obscurity void, as a comparison with essentially no debates  When is the next Progressive strokefest anyhow?  Very unprofessional from CNN.  The big question is why the RNC allows this?  Don't they, as "the party", control this access and presentation?

I'll take anyone on the stage, well not anyone, a good few of them over any of the DNC offerings.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:37 | 6929436 MopWater
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Why do they allow it? Simple, because the RNC wants to be liked, they want Trump gone, and they are all part of the same team. They don't care who wins because they get paid either way.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:52 | 6929471 TheReplacement
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The MSM talks about Trump 24/7.  They go out of their way to ignore Paul.

Think about it.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:12 | 6929031 Jethro
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What a circus.  The last 5 should just drop out .  Christie Cream is such a tard.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:54 | 6929352 Fullthrottle
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Heard that, what the hell is Kasich even doing there. The continuous rambling about ohio about made me hurl. FatFk aint got a prayer either. Whenever i see him he reminds me of that comedy act in that movie "Scarface" just before Tony was about to be shot at in that club. The fat guy dancing around before he bought it. 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:13 | 6929035 MountainsRoam
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Ya we are fucked, bring on the civil war..

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:52 | 6929201 Demdere
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We are not fucked, and we do not need war.  We need to get off our asses and produce the choice that satisfies us, instead of satisfying them.

I do not understand why this is oo hard to see. One would think it a more reasonable alternative than war.  Let's make them jump to our tune for a while, rather than vv.

Yep, they will steal the election.  OK, but we established moral high ground and gave everyone time to get ready some more.  No moral high ground in throwing up your hands and having another beer in disgust. 

Futile, and ruins the taste of the beer besides.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:11 | 6929251 ThroxxOfVron
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"We are not fucked, and we do not need war.  We need to get off our asses and produce the choice that satisfies us, instead of satisfying them. "

 

Forgive me; but, You are completely insane/dumb as fuck IF you think that the Oligarchs looting this naiton -and by extension/projection vast swathes of the globe- are going to yield control of the United States without a long bloody WAR.

Politics is just a proxy for WAR.  

...& TPTB are fully in control of the political system.   The two parties are completely and thoroughly captured.

I'm sorry.  Really.  Seriously.   You can't win a completely corrupted crooked gerrymandered billionaires and corporations and foreign powers funded and controlled game.

But this cannot be salvaged via the political process.  That ship sailed long long ago...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:01 | 6929367 MANvsMACHINE
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The time is ripe for a peaceful protest. Because that always works.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:27 | 6929421 orelius
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+100!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:28 | 6929426 MsCitizen2
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Article V Convention - Peaceful coup, built into the U.S. Constitution by forefathers who had been to the Revolution and "done that."

www.movetoamend.org

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:51 | 6929467 OldPhart
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And who would you trust, these days, to represent you fairly, and not build a framework detrimental to your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 09:01 | 6929835 j0nx
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Good to see you Throxx. You were one of the more intelligent people on the TF before KD booted me for disagreeing with something he said about 3 years ago - which it turns out I ended up being right about later on anyway. Did he reinstate my account after that? Nope. Never in my days have I seen a more crotchety bastard than him. Look forward to reading your well thought out and logical comments.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:13 | 6929036 Bay of Pigs
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Buffoonery at its finest.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:34 | 6929454 MsCreant
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Dunno Bay. Jerry Lewis did it better I think. We were always clear it was an act. Jim Carey, too. There are some professional buffoons out there that can hold their heads up high. They know when to turn it off. That is what makes it funny.

These clowns can't, they're stuck in Auto-buffoon and can't turn it off. That ain't funny, it's scary.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:14 | 6929037 Id fight Gandhi
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Full vagina, lol. How many puns can we make with that

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:33 | 6929131 847328_3527
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Speaking of vagina, where's Megan Smelly?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:22 | 6929283 thinkmoretalkless
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On air shilling with Brit Hume for Rubio and saying Cruz lied...gasp!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:01 | 6929369 Fullthrottle
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Bleeding

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:37 | 6929136 ThroxxOfVron
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As far as I know You can make maybe three or four puns -but only one hat- out of a single vagina.

Actually, Giuliani's wife wrote a very long series of monolouges about her vagina and performed them on stage in NYC, so the answer is: as many as you care to write down.

I just happened to be thinking about how relieved I am that Giuliani is no where to be seen or heard this time around..

 

I'm sure we will hear 'Full Vagina' bandied about a great deal as Hillary proceeds to talk shit, lies and crazy shit in the Dem debates and against the Republicans starting in 3...2..1..

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:43 | 6929325 wee-weed up
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Uh, Hillary does NOT have a vagina.

But Obozo...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 03:17 | 6929497 johnconnor
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I don't want to know what may lay between Hillary's vagina... it has to be something that would terrorize Freddy Krueger

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:15 | 6929042 MarkD
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Trump...... LOL...... what a joke.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:18 | 6929059 Bay of Pigs
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Oh yeah? Did you listen to the rest of those worthless blowhards and dumbfucks?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:21 | 6929079 MarkD
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Would rather have Paul. Trumps a bozo

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:54 | 6929209 AMPALANCE
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They will never let you have Paul, that is why Trump gets so much support, they are not supposed to "let us have" anybody. The more the Republican establishment fights Trump, the more we remember what they did to Ron Paul. The republican party is going to start representing us and our wishes, or disappear into the history books.

As for the "so-called " liberals and democrats, the more you hate Trump and call him a bigot the more support he garners. We also remember when you called Ron Paul a racist. It seems that anyone that doesn't fall into line with your socialist conditioning is a racist, and I can live with that because after all who really needs the approval of a closet Socialist. But we won't be giving up our rights to you wacko-do historically deficient give away the country and everything our fathers grandfathers, and great grandfather and mother fought and struggled for all their lives just because you don't want to hurt anybodies feelings (accept all the people you call racist bigots). Soon enough the credit that allows you to mind everyone else's business will run dry, and you will be forced to struggle to survive, or die, you may even have to kill to eat or eat what was killed, the "sting" of hunger awaits you precious.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:15 | 6929267 tmosley
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No, it's because the natural response to a hard shift to the left is a hard shift to the right. Cooler heads might shift towards libertarianism, but Paul allowed himself to be contaminated by Washington politics and lost his credibility and alienated his base.

No, I think after the liberals turn the US into Sodom, we will get a Hitler to ravage the land with war, and only then will we get a libertarian to pick up the pieces.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:09 | 6929384 ThroxxOfVron
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A putsh to the left

& a shove to the right

You might find yourself marching in a New World Reich...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:18 | 6929405 tmosley
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It's true. Luckily, socialism destroys itself quickly, and any such move will be short lived. Hitler only lasted what? Ten years? And he had loads of gold rich neighbors to loot. Now all the gold left in the world is consolidating where the West can't reach it without precipitating nuclear war or a few dozen polonium armed microdrones.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 03:02 | 6929480 OldPhart
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"A putsh to the left

& a shove to the right

You might find yourself marching in a New World Reich..."

 

Let's do the time warp again!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:50 | 6929464 TheReplacement
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Or it could just be the election of 1912 (IIRC) all over again.  Do you think that these people don't see that the general population is unhappy and wants a change so they promote an outsider who is really a wealthy insider against the "establishment"? 

Trump gets all the media attention.  Paul gets none.  The media is doing the absolute opposite of what you claim.  Trump is the chosen one.

I rest my case your honor.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:30 | 6929305 thinkmoretalkless
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You can listen to Hillary if you search real hard....when is the Dems debate? Christmas Eve on the History channel?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:16 | 6929045 ebworthen
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Trump wins again.  Get Bush, Kasich, and Christie off the damn stage.

Cruz is a bankster plant, and Rubio a Peanuts Parent.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:16 | 6929047 Omen IV
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Rand Paul did very well - was the most sound thinker on the stage

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:52 | 6929204 NoWayJose
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Rand's best debate by far!

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:06 | 6929380 bigkahuna
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I hope no one is equating Rand with Ron. The Don is the most trustworthy on the stage. He will say he's gonna fuck you over, then do it. ALL the others will put you to sleep and steal your shit. At least with the Don, you get a warning and you won't be wondering what happened.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 02:52 | 6929468 TheReplacement
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The MSM talks about Trump 24/7.  They go out of their way to ignore Paul.

Think about it.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:16 | 6929048 Gregory Poonsores
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Rand Paul!

Plus he has a much better hairpiece than Trump.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:18 | 6929056 i_call_you_my_base
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Every one of those people are batshit crazy except for Rand Paul.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:18 | 6929062 Demdere
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Very sane comments quoted from Lyndsey Graham.  Wow, not what I expcted.

Rubio is scum : "I bet we wish we had 5 years of his records" referring to the American Citizen in San Bernardino.  Did they run that false flag just so he could say that?

In any case, of course, they did have 5 years of his records, they couldn't have avoided it if they wanted to, they set the system up, the data flows.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:18 | 6929066 Usurious
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funny how none of these freaks mentioned isreal..........not once........

by design Im guessing......

thanks to Ann Coulter

How many f---ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 17, 2015

narrative: keep the focus on the Muslims not the jews....what a fucking freak show

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:24 | 6929086 buzzkillb
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Trump did mention Israel's wall.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:33 | 6929130 Usurious
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i musta missed that as i was outside looking for radical jihadist extremist muslims in my backyard...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:29 | 6929112 i_call_you_my_base
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The better question is how much money do jewish people donate to campaigns.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:37 | 6929149 847328_3527
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The Jewish people [esp those on NPR] are too busy supporting more Muslims into the Western countries ... for some inexplicable reason ... since they're be the first 'non-believers' to be beheaded when things go bad for the believers.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:39 | 6929165 i_call_you_my_base
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NPR is a mouthpiece for the USA/CIA first and foremost. Most jews hate muslims.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:21 | 6929277 dark pools of soros
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Zionists hate soverign countries with a public that have an identity with each other. Flooding countries with shit and forcing the locals to cuckold themselves kills any identity to unite around.

Turn off the news for a year and you'll see that you stop being scared and also see how scared everyone who still pays attention to it are.  Then you'll see how hard it is to even talk to those fuckers anymore

 

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 03:41 | 6929517 azusgm
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"for some inexplicable reason"

Here is one of the reasons.

http://www.floridahistorynetwork.com/june-4-1939---jewish-refugee-ship-t...

The Jews have had to move from country to country over their long history. The US refused refuge in a big way. It wasn't just the US either. The Canadian government took the stance of "Even one Jew is one Jew too many." Not being granted entry into Cuba, the US, or Canada on even a temporary basis ended up being fatal for many of the families on that ship. I think their (misguided) support of muslim immigration to this country is wrapped up in the Jews' "Never again" mindset.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:43 | 6929152 ZD1
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Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation took in millions from the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, etc.

No doubt those countries were just being charitable.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/02/18/foreign-do...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/06/rand-paul-hillary-cli...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:20 | 6929073 Gregory Poonsores
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What's with Rubio's ears? With you could pick up DirecTV with those things.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:25 | 6929088 NoPension
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NASA uses Obama to communicate with Voyager 1.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:43 | 6929180 dobermangang
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Obama's ears are so big, he could feed Mike Tyson for a month.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 01:55 | 6929357 wee-weed up
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Obama's ears = Reggie's hand holds.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:27 | 6929100 ZD1
Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:31 | 6929123 Gregory Poonsores
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Obama's got some flappers, but Rubio's are half the length of his head.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:35 | 6929141 Usurious
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check out this website...

www.MarcoRubiosEars.com

 

 

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