This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Stephen Roach: "The Fed Has Set The Market Up For A Crisis"

Tyler Durden's picture




 

“The Fed is in total denial. It hasn't learned the lessons of what it put the world through a decade ago,” Stephen Roach said, back in January.

“I just go back to 2005 and 2006 where the Fed was so incremental in normalizing rates during a time of enormous froth in property markets, equity markets, credit markets and ultimately that led to huge distortions in the real economy and finally when the bubbles popped, the whole house of cards came down,” he added.

Eleven months later and the Fed is just now getting around to an “incremental” (and if Roach thought past episodes of FOMC policy normalization where “incremental” just wait until he sees the trajectory this time around) hike. 

Ahead of tomorrow’s oh so critical Fed decision (which may or may not trigger some kind of dramatic meltdown in EM), Roach is out with some fresh commentary on the Fed, the FOMC’s role in creating asset bubbles, China, and commodities. 

“They pushed interest rates down to zero in the depths of the crisis, the crisis ended and they kept the policy rate at an emergency setting,” Roach told Bloomberg TV’s Angie Lau in an interview, bemoaning the fact that the world has been stuck in ZIRP for so long that nearly a third of Wall Street has never seen a rate hike. 

The effect of this is and has always been the creation of asset bubbles. As Jeremy Grantham put it earlier this year, “in the Greenspan/ Bernanke/Yellen Era, the Fed historically did not stop its asset price pushing until fully- fledged bubbles had occurred, as they did in U.S. growth stocks in 2000 and in U.S. housing in 2006.” 

Now back to Roach. “That [lower for longer rates] is a breeding ground for asset bubbles, credit bubbles, and all-too frequent crises, so the Fed is really a part of the problem of financial instability rather than trying to provide a sense of calm in an otherwise unstable world.

Right. And you can clearly see this from the following chart via RBS’ Alberto Gallo (note the ever larger swings in the financial cycle):

When it comes to creating speculative excess, it's almost as though the Fed has an unspoken third mandate.

Here’s Roach driving the point home: “While Fed did a great job in reacting to global financial crisis, it played an equal role in setting markets up for the crisis by running uber-accommodative monetary policy.”

He goes on to discuss China which he says “can’t be emphasized enough.”

Beijing’s epochal shift from an investment-led, smokestack economy to a consumption and services-driven model is something many market participants still don’t understand - or at least not fully, he says. “Commodities are, after a super-cycle, obviously going the other way, big time,” Roach said. Some companies “are in denial that China is changing its character, its structure. It’s going to take a while for that to sink in, and until it sinks in, there’s still downward pressure on commodity markets and prices.”

More in the interview below.

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:33 | 6927509 LawsofPhysics
LawsofPhysics's picture

Hey Stephen, go work for a living you useless fuck.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:38 | 6927536 Hitlery_4_Dictator
Hitlery_4_Dictator's picture

shut up bitch!

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:45 | 6927570 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Fed and other fiat currency regime is regularly rely on crisis for excuse to shave sheep even more close, and on ocassionally is make war to leed sheep to slaughter.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:03 | 6927666 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

The sheep have been shorn too frequently and will freeze to death in the coming winter, so now they're trying to shear the  pigs instead.  So far... lottta squealing, not much wool.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:12 | 6927700 Save_America1st
Save_America1st's picture
This Is What A Financial Crisis Looks Like

Michael Snyder ~

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/this-is-what-a-financial-cri...

 

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:56 | 6927617 turtle
turtle's picture

But the graph says we are at the bottom and NOT the top of the financial cycle... WTF?!

...and what is the LHS scale supposed to be anyway?

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 23:47 | 6928934 Demdere
Demdere's picture

No, not intentionally.

You give them more credit than they deserve, by far.  They cna make all the claims they want, but they are witchdoctors chanting and blowing smoke.

Nobody can control it, but they always think they can this time, especially when the politicians cover for them and they and all their friends get rich.  Looks like 'working' to them, nobody tells them otherwise who counts a jot, and when it so unexpectedly fails they don't lose much and the lecture circuit continues until it is time to write memoirs, and some years afterwards as tehir connection to power recedes.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:36 | 6927531 Janet Shalom Be...
Janet Shalom Bernanke's picture

The only thing different this time is,  we at the Fraudurel Reserve plan to accompany our tiny rate hike by a trillion $ of new buying of SP500 futures.  

This way, we send the same message we sent when the U.S. Debt was downgraded and we ran-up the bond market,  that the market loves rate increases and credit downgrades!

and that there is nothing we can't do as long as we control the printing of the U.S. fiat dollar.  and I mean, nothing.  

The more perverse the conditions we make, the more extreme measures we have to take to prop-up the overleveraged mess we have created.  According to our models, we can keep this Hindenburg market alive at least another year, by then I will be retired and giving speeches like my Benjy Shalom.  hahaha!!! 

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:50 | 6927604 LawsofPhysics
LawsofPhysics's picture

"there is nothing we can't do as long as producers around the world are forced to accept our promises in exchange for the very real fruits of their labor."  -  fixed it for you.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:39 | 6927535 MFL8240
MFL8240's picture
Stephen Roach: "The Fed Has Set The Market Up For A Crisis"       INTENTIONALY (small issue that was ignored)
Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:47 | 6927593 DetectiveStern
DetectiveStern's picture

Bingo. Create the problem then offer a solution that merely helps out your mates, sell to the sheep then once that fails do it again because the press won't bother investigating what happened. Repeat until you are your buddies have all the money.

Everyone on this site knows full well what ZIRP and QE were really introduced to do but the sheep will cheer it on again come the next crash.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 19:27 | 6928036 Implied Violins
Implied Violins's picture

Yup. And as we all know, there is NEVER one Roach.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:38 | 6927539 bnbdnb
bnbdnb's picture

Roach is wrong. The whole thing is political and Keynesians are democrats.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:46 | 6927581 Boris Alatovkrap
Boris Alatovkrap's picture

Keynesian is economic study for person of emotional disregulation.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:29 | 6927766 NihilistZero
NihilistZero's picture

"Keynesians are Democrats" Smart enough to read ZH, yet stupid enough to believe the Team Red/Blue bullshit.

 

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:43 | 6927560 Rainman
Rainman's picture

Online lenders don't think a rate hike will harm them at all   LOL

                    http://www.wsj.com/articles/online-lenders-brace-for-a-fed-interest-rate-increase-1450212307

 

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:53 | 6927618 pitz
pitz's picture

Even most bank CEO's are under some delusion that higher rates will help the sector. 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:09 | 6929009 Earl the Milkman
Earl the Milkman's picture

If I hear "slope is a Banker's friend" one more time...

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 00:09 | 6929010 Earl the Milkman
Earl the Milkman's picture

If I hear "slope is a Banker's friend" one more time...

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:44 | 6927561 blindman
blindman's picture

"the sacred cow is growth
to support the debt system,
hence zero interest rates;
it works until it fails.
you can't stop the tides."
naked swimmer

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:46 | 6927576 moonmac
moonmac's picture

I remember when the Roach used to send out  endless Commie Propaganda about how wonderful the Chinese economy was doing...

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:46 | 6927577 Glass Seagull
Glass Seagull's picture

 

 

Roach is bearish????

 

You don't say.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:50 | 6927600 pitz
pitz's picture

A third of Wall Street?  Really?  How much of "Wall Street" has been replaced since the last crisis anyways?  I haven't heard of a lot of financial sector hiring, but there's been some downsizing. 

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 17:50 | 6927602 I AM SULLY
I AM SULLY's picture

Where is crocodile ...

(so lonely)

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:19 | 6927628 Barrack Chavez
Barrack Chavez's picture

So Steven Roach needs yet another bailout? More subsidies to prop up his zombie "business"?

Maybe the reason he doesn't understand the economy is because he doesn't realize that most businesses have to pay taxes and support themselves -- not live off taxpayer subsidies

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:01 | 6927656 wmbz
wmbz's picture

Job #1 for the un-fed is to do their stock holders bidding. It's all about w street always has been always will be.

They own the D.C. cesspool so no worries there.

Spineless fucks!

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:03 | 6927665 Consuelo
Consuelo's picture

 

 

"Here’s Roach driving the point home: While Fed did a great job in reacting to global financial crisis, it played an equal role in setting markets up for the crisis by running uber-accommodative monetary policy.”

 

What is it about (even old-timers like Roach), that occludes their vision regarding monetary distortions and what said distortions end up doing to markets and whole economies...?

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:37 | 6927781 blindman
blindman's picture

it is a blue pill, slave mentality thing
that happens to work for a time for select groups.
that doesn't make it right or good or optimal.
not to mention it was designed by plundering
and murderous usurers at a time when the
"world", and all that encompasses, was an entirely
more cultured and compassionate place , in general
less contaminated by their proposed "money" system.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:33 | 6927786 gregga777
gregga777's picture

"When it comes to creating speculative excess, it's almost as though the Fed has an unspoken third mandate."

The Federal Reserve's sole true mandate is enriching Wall Street by stealing from Main Street.

• Abolish the Federal Reserve System;
• Hold banking stock and bond holders and banking executive officers completely responsible for the totality of losses even if it exceeds paid in capital and face value of bond holdings;
• Prosecute and severely punish the political parasites for accepting bribes (I.e., campaign contributions, honoraria, fees for speeches, free rides on Crony Capitalist Corporate jets, etc.),
• Prosecute Crony Capitalist Corporations and Oligarchs for paying bribes to the political parasites;

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:40 | 6927819 blindman
blindman's picture

you have my vote.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 18:44 | 6927840 mrdenis
mrdenis's picture

 Bush did this again !

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 19:57 | 6928129 Dadburnitpa
Dadburnitpa's picture

“While Fed did a great job in reacting to global financial crisis..."

Bullshit.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 20:14 | 6928173 yogibear
yogibear's picture

What an appropriate last name.

Don't we have enough Wall Street Roaches?

Never bite the hand that feeds ya.

Tue, 12/15/2015 - 22:12 | 6928567 kelley805
kelley805's picture

Agree.  QE was working until 2011 when the Fed did not have the guts to cut it off.

The US could have had a different monetary policy and a different result.

http://michaelekelley.com/2015/03/27/the-kelley-monetary-policy-rule/

 

 

 

Here is how to prepare.

 

http://michaelekelley.com/2014/10/16/8-things-to-do-when-recession-happens/

 

 

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 08:24 | 6929762 Pumpkin
Pumpkin's picture

Good to see it took so many years to figure this out.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 10:40 | 6930170 XXL66
XXL66's picture

Is that Roach like in Cockroach ?

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 19:44 | 6932712 lucky and good
lucky and good's picture

I have always found Roach to be more possitive on China than he should be. To most of the world China's economy remains veiled behind a shroud and is far from transparent. Not only because China is far away from our shores, but the fact is their economy is very controlled by the government that acts as its puppet master and corruption has flourished. The bottom-line is we often have a difficult time getting real information on what is happening. To many of us it has become clear that China is in a situation similar to what America faced in 1929 following a period of rapid growth and credit expansion.

This is written not to diminish the accomplishments of China or to question their progress, but to point out much of what we have witnessed is the result of one time factors that have largely played out. Several factors have drastically changed politically, socially and from a military perspective since the days when America fueled China's growth. The article below titled, "China's Veiled Economy" highlights some of the reasons for doubting China.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2015/12/chinas-veiled-economy.html

Thu, 12/24/2015 - 18:53 | 6961527 Herdee
Herdee's picture

$20 bucks a barrel or bust.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!