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America, It's Over! Yale Students Sign Petition To Repeal First Amendment
Satirist Ami Horowitz tests the waters at Yale University to see if today's Ivy League students would actually sign a petition to repeal the First Amendment...
It goes exactly how you might think it would...
Within an hour on the Yale campus, Horowitz collected over 50 signatures from student who wanted to repeal a significant part of the Constitution.
The petition to “blow up” the First Amendment (which protects freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and freedom of petition), was met with such comments as "I think this is fantastic, I absolutely agree," and "excellent," or "I love it."
And as DailyCaller noted, one female student ironically agreed with Horowitz when he suggested, "I think the Constitution should be one big safe space."
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To sum it all up... America, It's Over!
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Bullish!
What R ammendantandmts anywho
I'm glad they are not on my team.
Harvard stupid? Genetic.
Those that sign should immediately be deported to North Korea!
They're going to put a STOP all of those micro-aggressions and safe space violations even if they have to beat the crap out of you while calling you names.
They are progressives. They are Central Planning. They are the ones who will write the laws and regulations that continue to make thinking people's lives hell.
Becasue they KNOW what's best for you.
KGB defector told of this decades ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
I thought Zuckerberg went to Harvard?
Went to, but did he finish?
I'm of a mind to start a petition to abolish Yale ... and Harvard for that matter ... as they clearly generate a class of terrorists who are causing more harm to the country than even malevolent immigrants might hope to pull off.
Go out and ask any random 100 people on the street what rights are enumerated by the 1st Amendment, and don't be surprised if not one can name them all.
We have a local guy named Mark Dice that does this and his utube channel is hysterical. People willingly giving up all their constitutional rights for safety and the " good of humanity". One was feminists agreeing that a White Male Privilege Tax should imposed. You laugh at first until you realize they are not kidding. At some point, it becomes more depressing than entertaining.
Miffed
They sound [and look a little] like Chairman Mao's red shirts who nabbed evil "capitalists" and "landlords" from their houses and tortured as they chanted, "thought reform."
Millions of people were persecuted in the violent struggles that ensued across the country, and suffered a wide range of abuses including public humiliation, arbitrary imprisonment, torture, sustained harassment, and seizure of property. A large segment of the population was forcibly displaced, most notably the transfer of urban youth to rural regions during the Down to the Countryside Movement. Historical relics and artifacts were destroyed. Cultural and religious sites were ransacked.
Millions of people in China were violently persecuted during the Cultural Revolution. Those identified as spies, "running dogs", "revisionists", or coming from a suspect class (including those related to former landlords or rich peasants) were subject to beating, imprisonment, rape, torture, sustained and systematic harassment and abuse, seizure of property, denial of medical attention, and erasure of social identity. At least hundreds of thousands of people were murdered, starved, or worked to death. Millions more were forcibly displaced. Young people from the cities were forcibly moved to the countryside, where they were forced to abandon all forms of standard education in place of the propaganda teachings of the Communist Party of China.[90]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
" Yes we can! "
Well at least they aren't trying to DISARM us, for then there would be real cause for alarm.
Don't bother asking these Ivy League fascists about that either...
political correctness = "struggle sessions"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session
I talked with some of those old people. It was like reading a good history book. Amazing, what they went through.
Which is all well and good...except I've been paying "white male privilege tax" since I was 12. The feminazi's are a little behind the times.
Virtual Destitution is preferable to contributing to a system designed to drain one's vital forces. Now, I structure everything around being a drain on the state/society and have never been happier.
:)
Liberalism/Progressivism: A thin veneer of tolerance and caring laid of an ocean of intolerance and hatred.
Dang it that's good! I'm gonna use it & tell peeps I made it up cuz I'm a smert Ivy leaguer! So there!
More accurately, a sea of hypocrisy with tides of hate and swells of intolerance.
Aww now yur goin' all Mensa on me!
Gotta keep the bar set high here at ZH ;)
"a sea of hypocrisy with tides of hate and swells of intolerance floating an armada of LBGT cruisers"
Reasons to abolish Harvard and Yale:
Law School of Supreme Court Justices.
#1) Harvard Law- 19 alumni, 15 graduates
#2) Yale Law-10 alumni, 8 graduates
Some notable Harvard grads- Frankfurter, Kagan, , Breyer, Ginsburg (attended HLS, graduated Columbia)
Notable Yale grads- Sotomayor, Fortas
They are exactly the ones your parents warned you about.
"No one should be exposed to things they don't want to hear!"...lmao!
That'll work well for them when they get out in the real world. IF they get out in the real world.
nar, they'll work a full 5 decades in the marriner eccles building
Perhaps they would prefer to be in Thailand! We should take up a collection and send them there.
"A man in Thailand, however, faces 37 years in prison for criticizing the king’s dog on the internet, as well as allegedly insulting the monarchy."
It is actually not their fault. They and their parents have been indoctrinated from an early age to understand nothing about law, their protected rights and how to defend those rights. If they understood from an early age they would be doing the opposite, like protesting outside a "Free Speech Zone". Perhaps they and their parents would have acted years ago to halt the social and economic decline of the America.
I have no idea why anyone would insult the benevolent king of Thailand or his lovely dog.
Kill all the fucks in the Yale young rabbi's club!
"hey are progressives. They are Central Planning. They are the ones who will write the laws and regulations that continue to make thinking people's lives hell."
Nope they are just dumber than dirt. I am sure not a single one of them understands the work totalitarianism.
Perhaps someone should point out to these "students" that abolishing the First Amendment ensures that there will be no safe spaces.
Traitorous Domestic Enemies!
To be deported to North Korea?
Not necessarily. ISIS elso could be a right place since ISIS does not recognize either freedom of speech or freedom of religion.
It is incredible how these selfish, narrow-minded, and stupid "intellectuals" are.
US oligarchy owned mass media and educational system must be proud of itself by successfully converted even American best and brightest into stupid and obidient slaves. There are no differences between illiterate and sadistic ISIS followers and Yale and Harvard graduates. Well, Obama and G. W. Bush are good examples.
I wonder how these students feel about having all women wear a burqa or niqab - to preserve their modesty, sanctity and safety in (a Muslim) society. If comfortable wearing these, they could consider Turkey as an ideal "safe space" where there is a law against "insulting Turkishness". Or Saudi Arabia where there are weekly public beheadings of "deviants" like those who question the Royal Family or the sayings of Mohammed, and women who commit adultery or get pregnant out of wedlock. These students should be quite comfortable in a society where no dissenting voice is ever to be raised and absolutely no behaviour outside of the societal rules is tolerated (on pain of death). Weariing the full female cover should alleviate their concerns over "Rape Culture" since surely a female completely covered (except for her eyes) should not excite any rapist.
They could take a course in chanting "Allahua Akbar" to be sure they fit in seamlessly.
Ha'va'd is racist: It discriminates against non-jewish whites and asians. They will let in blacks who have lower SAT scores than many whites, but still get it.
And they seem scared shitless about Chinese Asians. For example... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXJi4qp7cJE
If they pretend that they want to prevent too many Asians from being at Harvard (as a percentage of the population), then they need to stop having so many Jews being over-represented at these schools. You can't have it both ways, you phonies.
The ONLY way these Ha'va'd geniuses can prove that they do not discriminate, is to strip all Applicant information that leads to biased admissions, You do that by stripping the Applicant's Name, Gender, Race and Ethnicity from the 'Application ID', and then decide on Admission purely on Merit. The results should prove so interesting, that even a Vulcan would find them... 'fascinating'.
Well that would take control out of their hands so its a no go... as good and fair as that sounds.
Whats not bullshit these days
America what have you become? Sad day to see this.
The vagenda of "certain" Americans is as big as the state of Texas. That vagenda will lead to a lot of bad shit.
vagenda monologues
proto-synthesis
We went to that show expecting ventriliquism. Boy, were we wrong. Couldn't get out of there fast enough.
"America what have you become?" nah, I would not be too concerned about it. America has always been a great generator of... fads
some good, some bad, some... silly. imho the real danger of such fads is usually when they find some resonance in other parts of the world
and I don't see this one getting any. imo it's a sad reaction to young people being utterly scared of the world outside of their campuses
and as such, a reaction to FEARTM, a commodity that is highly marketable and profitable in their country
young people have usually natural and often even healthy reactions to their environments. when the canary in the coalmine coughs, don't blame the canary for being stupid
Put these rama lama ding dong skittle shitting unicorn fucking fucktards into the first FEMA camp up and running where they can wait to become something useful.
Like, soap. Or, fertilizer.
Put them all in a safe space with barbed wire around it
dont they run the shitshow? That would be a constitutional coup if the snowballs chance in a runaway greenhouse were to happen.
i think it's a new greek family that there will be a reality show about.. you know.. first there was the kardashians.. now it will 'keep up with the ammendantmts". i can't wait to watch it! i hope the girls are hawt and there are lots of ammendtanmts branded perfumes i can buy at macys!
I've been told...on more than 1 occasion...by the COPS of all people, that Canada DOES NOT have a Constitution!
Just met someone from Australia today. She said she never heard anyone mention an Australian Constitution. The only time she ever hears the word is when it is about the USA. She also implied that Great Britain is in charge of Australia.
I explained the difference between the two jurisdictions of the Constitution and of the Commercial State and how the Commercial State is forbidden from entering the Constitutional Jurisdiction with out a sworn affidavit and a warrant or summons first being issued.
That's because the state doesn't want you to know about the Constitution. I do agree however that Great Britain (more specifically, the Queen, herself) is in charge of Australia. Just as the Queen is the head of Canada as well. You don't sue "the government" here in Canada, you sue the Queen!
Skull and Crossbones Frat members?
Tim Russert is rolling in his grave.
So glad we have an elite cabal looking out for us little people.
Brainwashed by the Marxists running the education system and now not capable of independent thought....yes we are screwed!
The agenda rolls on......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-out-of-control-its-time-to-take-a-closer-look-at-agenda-2030-video-2472972.html
This is a result of Yale alumni inbreeding.
Fascists and cultural Marxists are nothing new. Just ask great-grand pappy Bush and Allen Dulles.
Where's Eirik Magnus Larsen to offer a pointed critique of Leftist cryptofascism when you need him?
Shhhh, he's in his safe space at this moment! Give him some room to cope with this.
I feel we need to ditch the left right paradigm in favor of authoritarian vs anarchist on one axis and capitalist vs socialist on the other. Some people say both Stalin and Hitler were leftists which to me is absurd as one was a crony capitalist fascist authoritarian and the other was a Communist authoritarian. The left right paradigm divides erstwhile allies far more than it helps discussion. ZH has a near consensus against authoritarianism and centralization. That's the common ground for the people vs the Globalists.
While I don't disagree, the facts of the matter is people like Larssen are absolutely marinated in that binarty way of thinking. For him "right wing" simply means wrong/racist/bad while "left wing" implies apodictic truth/moral superiority/farts that smell like lemon drops.
And in a rough sense, there's still some semantic value. For example, while I consider myself libertarian I also consider myself a left-leaning one on social issues - pro gay marriage, pro limited social safety nets and good free public education until the free market can provide it [for reasons of "soft nationalism" not imposing my own ethics per se, and yeah I know nationalism can be criticized but I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist, and countries exist and have shared identities and interests whether or not one wishes this away in the abstract].
So while I respect paleo cons etc the social conservative gay bashing pro religious nuttery wing doesn't appeal to me - to them I'm a "socialist" but to me they're cryptostatist fucktards who don't know what 'socialist' means.
Anyway point is, Larssen sucks, and he sucks hard.
I did down vote you. Not out of spite and not because I disagree with you. I downvoted you because you are delusional.
You are a libertarian BUT: 1. Pro gay marriage. Great. I have no problem with the LGBT community but noone and I mean noone can tell me what I must think. I like ketchup on my scrambled eggs. I have a problem c anyone who does not like this. Therefore I want the federal govt to decree by way of the supreme court that noone can criticize or have opposition to anyone who likes ketchup on their scramled eggs. In fact the govt must spend money and time to ensure that scramled egg and ketchup eaters are accepted and not harassed in any way. What does a real libertarian think;"I could give a fuck what you do behind the walls of your house(as long as not harming me or others). Get the govt out of marriage.
One example on something similar to this. We were talking about abortion and she said "get the govt out from between my legs". I said I completely agree. The govt is paying for their yearly PAP and STD testing and utimately the abortion. I say get the govt out from between all womens legs.
2."Limited" social safety nets!!! You have not thought this through at all. I am amazed I truly am that you actually call yourself a libertarian. Do you really think that c man involved that it will stay limited for any length of time. Give people money and power and the will always find a way to exploit. BUT IT IS FOR CHILDREN. How did this country survive before "The Great Society"? A person's safety net was his family and his neighbors and the Church. A person was much more willing to help John down the street when he broke his leg because he might break his leg tomorrow. It made people much more accepting of others and courteous and social.
3."Good free public education. Again, you call yourself a libertarian. The only way I will agree c this is if it is entirely local. Absolutely NO Fed.gov involved. Let people vote c their feet.
If you are a libertarian then you must live some place similar to San Francisco where libertarian means you have the liberty to walk down the street in assless pants. Please feel free to look down on such a rube as me as you 1. Drink your wine and eat your pretentious cheese at the Christmas party or 2.Have dinner c your rather pretentious well educated family that you have raised the "right way" c good open minds and common sense.
Please do not be on my side in anything that comes to pass. I can handle a differing opinion. I can not handle someone who has no clue what he believes because what he believes he believes makes no sense. In other words he is a fake and will crumble when times get tough.
"I feel we need to ditch the left right paradigm in favor of authoritarian vs anarchist on one axis and capitalist vs socialist on the other."
It should read: "...capitalist vs communist on the other." as socialism is a step on the way to communism.
"I feel we need to ditch the left right paradigm in favor of authoritarian vs anarchist on one axis and capitalist vs socialist on the other. Some people say both Stalin and Hitler were leftists which to me is absurd as one was a crony capitalist fascist authoritarian and the other was a Communist authoritarian. The left right paradigm divides erstwhile allies far more than it helps discussion. ZH has a near consensus against authoritarianism and centralization. That's the common ground for the people vs the Globalists."
you will have a binary electoral result as long as you have an electoral system that favours binary results
wherever electorates have non-binary electoral systems, the full spectrum of politics and ideology is revealed
three main directions: liberalism, conservativism and socialism. all three words used in their original 19th Century sense, and all three go back to the
Liberty, Fraternity and Equality of the French Revolution
note that pure anarchism, in this, is a kind of triple zero point in this tri-dimensional affair. and it's seldom that you find pure anarchists
hence, as soon as anarchists form a party or a polity and want to do something, you'll find (among more complex affairs)
anarcho-socialists aka anarcho-syndacalists and aka libertarian socialism; anarcho-liberalism aka anarcho-capitalism; and even anarcho-nationalists (!)
so in short as soon as a group starts to do something, a "tinge" of ideology comes in to support the group's effort... even if they are anarchists
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globalism... is a more complex affair. recently is being used as another word for internationalism. which is opposed to nationalism
seen this way, it's the liberals (classic) and socialist groupings that are usually for internationalism, while it's conservatives that are usually opposed to it, i.e. for nationalism
note that every political direction can be authoritarian, or become authoritarian. note that every political direction can be for centralization
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meanwhile, I would not hazard any thought about any "ZH consensus"
How much do they charge the students to make them this stupid? American business, don't forget this at the end of your help ad: Yale grads need not apply...
It comes naturally, but the stupid pay for it anyway.
Not to worry, the usefull idiots always get the first 9mm to the back of their skull, followed by
university professors, but I repeat myself.
These slugs don't have a fucking clue about...anything. They're all for me shutting my mouth and not expressing myself only because everything is all about them - they're thoughts and their feelings. I really want to be there when life slaps them upside their stupid fucking heads.
"I really want to be there when life slaps them upside their stupid fucking heads"
Probably not, it's likely to get messy all around.
Dunno 'bout that - I'd like to be there mainly to be the one slapping them upside their stupid fucking heads.
Islam riots of 2017. Mosques in the Boston area coordinated an anti-Christmas demonstration on December 25th to protest stores being closed, the lack of halal meats and people wishing them a Merry Christmas. Marchers were accompanied by students from Harvard and Yale. As the marchers approached the Old North Church they were met by a wall of police and on the other side, a largely Irish Catholic contingent. Police were able to keep the two sides apart but the Islamists, unable to reach their goal of the church, started attacking their university co-marchers. The police, unsure of what to do, maintained their lines until the Irish started throwing rocks at the police for not defending the students. The police withdrew to Hull Street and the two groups had a grisly battle in front of the church. Seventeen people were killed including 3 Irish, 5 Muslims and 9 students. Forty-eight were seriously wounded including 5 Irish, 19 Muslims and 24 students. In the aftermath, the mayor of Boston, governor of Massachusetts and President Clinton agreed to suspend habeas corpus for the five Irish ringleaders that started the riot. Their current location is unknown. In addition, the Massachusetts legislature passed a law requiring every business that butchers meat to hire a muslim and provide halal meat. Pork butchering was also banned and any pork products would need to come in from other states.
Think it won't happen?
http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/professors-and-students-at-u-san-di...
How does one get into college, let alone Yale, being that entirely stupid?
I am Chumbawamba.
well it helps to be rich and jewish and not a middle or lower class white male.
And it helps tremendously to not be Asian.
Dumb as a box of rocks and rich.
They probably don't want any asians to point out that Yale (endowment) was EXPANDED (tremendously) with illicit proceeds from the Opium Wars.
HSBC...
Jardine Matheson...
Skull and Crossbones... And so much more... For those willing to look.
You want to know where these sick fucks learned about false flags? Well, its because their forefathers were drug smugglers and PIRATES. Yo ho ho, and a bottle of rum.
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/chapter-7-skull-and-bones-the-racist-nightmare-at-yale/
interesting tid-bit:
a little bird told janus that there are now two branches of bonesmen -- the publically acknowledged one that has, along with yale itself, gone co-ed; and another which remains all male. the former is only in place to hide the latter's existence; and although some members of the latter are also members of the former, that is only to make sure that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing (or is that vise-versa?).
janus
Yids beat goys in the brainpower dept.
Nevertheless, anyone, especially yids, who should know better, who advocates for the repeal of any part of the bill of rights should be strung up by the neck on the nearest lampost.
Yids are idiots. Good memory should not be confused with intelligence. Some dogs have good memories. Yids are truly some of the stupidest people on the planet.
"Yids beat goys in the brainpower dept."
Um - check again, Dave. East Asians kick the shit out of Jews in math and science *already* and thats without centuries of being bankers and having academia locked up via tribal ethnonepotism.
And there are also far, far more European geniuses than there are Jewish ones - Jewish over-representation is mostly a function of wealth and social power. Subtract that you'd have some over-representation, sure, but not nearly what you think as yet another racial supremacist Yid.
I do, sincerely, at least respect your honesty. Most of you people dance around it.
You might also check on the extent to which the assault on free speech is disproportionately led by "Yids".
Petty sure the Romans killed off the smart ones.
@Johnny Horscaulk
THE TRUTH AT HARVARD
Professor Kevin MacDonald’s ‘The Culture of Critique’ Reviewed review written in 1999
Am curious who the ungraphed 40% yale alumni are and why they were omitted. +1 for the "Culture of Critique" summary.
Well, can you imagine how a White Male Patriot movement would go down? It would be not only decried as RACIST, SEXIST, VIOLENT, unfair, guilty of microaggressions...
MacDonald is a true hero. Sad he had to write in the dryest style in the world to illustrate the point.
p.s notably the "high iq" thing is limited to ashkenazi jews - the mizrahi, who are more direct descendents of the ancient jews, are absolutely not known for high IQ. And as for the ashkenazi...
Now I'm sure you've studied IQ, neuroplasticity, and research methods extensively.
I'm willing to bet you that not only are Asian higher than Jews in global IQ when you control for wealth and education level or parents, etc. - the difference between Ashkenazi Jews and non-Jewish Europeans, particularly Germanic and perhaps Celtic largely disappears. Where's *that* study, Dave?
Centuries of wealthy privilege and ethno-nepotism surely makes a difference.
An interesting question is how successful Palestinians would be, virtually twins to Mizrahi Jews genetically, but for Ashkenazi repression.
The truth of the matter is Jewish over-representation at top schools is largely, and probably mostly a function of wealth and power.
Jews have boxed out equally or better qualified Asians and non-Jewish whites for decades while also using lowered standards for blacks and latinos to take spots from asians and non jewish whites - but not Jews, who remain wildly over-represented despite "diversity."
Got Jewish Privilege, Dave?
fwiw didn't junk you because I do, sincerely, respect you simply being honest about your racial supremacism. The tarabels and benjamins of the board struggle and strain to pretend that such racial determinism is beneath their lofty Jewish ethics [but we both know the precise opposite is true, don't we, Dave?]
Why the small size font? Bigger is better.
very-very interesting, Johnny...thanks for the links to those genetic studies...they have me confused:
someone please correct janus if his understanding is flawed:
1) an individual's designation as a 'jew' is principally (basically exclusively) ethnic -- in that the 'right of return' is not subject to questions of the applicant's religious zealotry, whether or not he attends temple or what (if any) branch of judiasm the individual identifies or is associated with. basically, there is no faith-based standard regarding ones designation as 'jewish'...athiestic jews are more than welcome provided...(see #2)
2) their mother's status as jewish is in some accepted fashion documented, and the mother's certification as 'jewish' is THE single characteristic codified in israeli law, as reflected in the talmud (though there is nothing in the Bible about the necessity of a mother being 'jewish'...King David's father, jesse, was the son of Boaz, who married Ruth, who was a moabite (decendent of Lot, who founded a people from an incestuous relationship with his daughter, who got him drunk and seduced him after they fled the brimstoning of sodom & gomorrah, in the dark confines of a cave somewhere south of sidon).
3) insofar as ones ethnic status as a jew is contingent upon the mother's certification as such, this means that the ashkenazi, no less than 80% of whom are descendants of european gentile women are, ipso facto, not 'jewish'.
p.s. LV Dave, if you or any other jew in the world is ever in need of a humbling or wish to investigate your claims of intellectual superiority, you know where to find janus. but i don't make this offer in the spirit of enmity or contentious quibbling -- it is an open invitation to edification, ala janus. as Proverbs says, "iron sharpeneth iron"; and so, my jewish friends, janus is always here when you need a razor's edge on your blade.
and you're all most welcome for the european augmentation of your genetic deficiencies. seems there is no end to the white man's burden (or in this case our women)...it is, after all, our duty to lift all to a loftier plane of living.
janus
maybe too smart for your own good, hence mass exterminations since the Khazars slimed their way out of central Asia,
or are you a "sephardic" Zio...lol even worse
Well then, all I can say boys is "Scoreboard."
You all are the ones who say the Yids control everything.
Now how dumb you gotta be to let that happen?
Its a fair point.
You can't go two steps in any direction on ZH these days without someone screaming "Da jooos done it!"
Its like they're a smartest-most skillful-intelligent-rascally beings on the face of the planet and no one even notices except the people screaming jooos! on every other thread, cuz they're invisible or sumpin...lol.
Can you be specific about a particular claim made by anyone that "the jews did it" and the truth value of the statement is low enough to be considered simply false?
Seriously - just one or two eamples would do. I may well agree with you.
Oh I dunno, da jooos are after da oil or a pipeline through Syria, da jooos are after Iran, da jooos did 911, da jooos blew up the Ukraine, da jooos control da media or what THIS THREAD HAS TURNED INTO, da jooos are brainwashing higher Yale/Princeton/Haaahvaaahd...stop me if I'm prattling on too much but you have to be deaf, dumb & blind not to see it, you engage in it.
Now, the question I have for you is, are you and your ilk here to apprise me of all the jooos you see (apparently everywhere even under your bed) or to denigrate ZH or to detract from what ZH exposes on a daily basis?
I thought for a moment you might have a serious answer to offer. What you'rre suggesting is that anyone who suggests a Jew did something bad is an "anti-Semite" even if the fella in question actually did it.
Are you seriously contending Jews don't have very disproportionate influence over media?
That right wing Likudniks haven't written papers for decades calling for the destruction of Iraq and Syria and that many of them have been and to an extent are in positions of power in government and tghink tanks?
Are you suggesting that Jews are 5/7 times over-represented at top schools while Asians are generally not over-represented because they're just so darn smart, for real?
Are you claiming that if I argue and supply what seems reasonably to be credible evidence of us government, or saudi involvement say in 9/11 its fine, but if I mention Israel, it's the same as "the joos" and therefore both wrong, a priori, AND "hate" to boot?
You arent that dumb, are you?
Your own anti-Arab and anti-muslim hysteria always seems to get a pass, at least. You must be thankful for that.
Well first of all Valerie Jarret is not Jewish, neither are Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Buffet, John Roberts, Boehner, DeBlasio and certainly not the Pope (I can go on) what you identify as a Jewish is actually communist.
Thats not to say some Jews can't be communist or have Jewish ties (like Marx) but all Jews are not communists.
you didnt address any of the questions I raised, though.
And it's fairly odd that you keep bringing up jarret but omit soros, sunstein, axelrod, nuland, kagan, or the wildly disproportionate amount of jews, but not muslims, that /obozo has appointed.
My quarrel with you here is your straw man. Obviously blaming "the" Joooooos that is 'all' or even most of any group is inane. But that's not what I do and I've mentioned several times the role of non-zio Jews and even the breaking the silence idf vets in standing up against Likudnik Ziofascism.
blaming "the" Joooooos that is 'all' or even most of any group is inane... but its what you do as to arabs.muslims all the time.
I'm arguing that your straw man is not just a straw man but prima facie absurd - if Israelis were involved in 9/11 as I believe they were (along with Cheney, et al), it is batshit crazy to try to claim this is "blaming Jews" - its a fundamentally dishonest attempt to insulate israel the nation=state and government from any criticism at all. Its abject horseshit and you know it.
particularly because I could blame, with ZERO evidence, Iran, and not one person here would claim I just hated Persians or Muslims. But if its Israelis, it must be both just racism and wrong, even without considering the evidence? only a fucking idiot could sustain this belief.
So the Israelis got 15 Saudi muslims, and 4 other muslims to fly planes into WTC? Were the muslims brainwashed or mind controlled? If not muslims on the planes, then who?
There are actually two issues here,, and maybe part of the problem is my not being good at presenting complex fairly philosophical ideas in English.
But - being quick and dirty about it:
1] nmewn seems to argue that standards he ostentatiously fails to apply to arabs/muslims must be applied to Israel or Jews generally - that is, no evidence is neede to blame all muslims/arabs while lots of evidence still doesnt justify blaming some/specific Jews. Put another way, my position is that one should be free to be *wrong* about the involvement of people in Israel's government or its sayanim, without the unalterable presumption that it is simply "hate" and invalid". This is logically unimpeachable, but people are indeed 'brainwashed' to have an artificially low threshold for both calling something 'hate' when it comes to criticism of Israel or Jews individually or qua group, and to conflate the presupposed 'hate' with being wrong. A racist can make a statement that is true, and a non-racist could make a statement a racist might make.
2] I don't want to keep posting on this thread as its gotten way off topic and while I appreciate the long leash ZH gives commenters - at some point... so if you're sincere, look at these. I take it you'd have no problem with me alleging Saudi involvement - but the problem only arises when I suggest that it seems likely Israel was involved particularly given the policy goals of famous zio positio papers, the office of special plans, etc, etc. Have you ever wondered if your doing this is quite above board honesty wise? I suspect you have no problem believing without any evidence that Iran is working on a nuke to kill all the jews - so you'll accept the idea of flimsy evidence and all muslims are just craxy racists, but won't even consider that a government, even of a "Jewish" state might engage in false flag intelligence operations?
There surely were Arabs on the planes - very good reason to believe many of them were' "muslim" at all...separate matter. For you and for the watchers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QphxGBXiA-M
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Solving_9-11_-_The_Deception_That_Changed_T...
https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/masters-of-deception...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article179295.html
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
http://how911wasdone.com/
Now, you might consider the evidence here and reject it. I don't see how, and I disagree but dont have a problem with someone coming to a different conclusion after fairly considering the evidence. What I call bullshit on is the rejection, a priori, of any and all evidence simply because its "Israel" - particularly from hypocrites who absolutely love to accept as true things that enjoy far less evidence, so long as it involves a group that is "okay" to hate.
I didn't see any evidence.
"blaming "the" Joooooos that is 'all' or even most of any group is inane... but its what you do as to arabs.muslims all the time."
Well actually no, as most people here know who read my comments (and who are over seven weeks old) I have a Muslim family doctor, for over ten years now.
"...if Israelis were involved in 9/11 as I believe they were..."
Validating one of my "its da jooos!" points is not how you win debates, especially by leading off with IF. You cannot get around the nationalities, they bought the tickets, they boarded the planes, were seated where they were supposed to be, stewardesses called down to describe them and what-they-were-doing.
Prince Turki al-Faisal and Prince Bandar created this & continued to finance it and they are decidedly not Jewish.
Johnny debates a whole lot more cleanly than you do -- at least in this case he's whipping your ass.
I wasn't going to say anything but your latest assertion that he is "Validating one of my points...is not how you win debates" is really really weak. Seriously.
Let me break this down so even an idiot like you can understand it.
1) And this is incredibly important, you must remember it if you possibly can, a request is just a request. Its not a demand, an implied obligation or mandatory.
2) At the beginning he requested of me to give him "one or two points" to prove my assertion that according to imbeciles like you everything leads back to jooos, I complied with his request and gave him...several.
3) He chose to pick ONE (the one I knew he would) to concentrate on applying an IF to it and followed it up with a wall of text from dubious sources somehow implicating both jooos & Saudis, somehow...lol...ok, sure.
4) He made no comment on my assertion of the Saudi prince' funding. None.
5) He does not know what the word Semite even means or he wouldn't use it so carelessly, denoting intent.
6) I however have no actual comment on your fawning man-crush on Johnny, that can speak for itself and I really don't want to know.
Nmewn - first off I appreciate your taking the time to argue back and forth - sincerely, its the best of what ZH offers - a free speech fight club.
That said, I think your reply here shows that my point is not getting across and lets assume we both contribute to that.
I tried to make this as clear and thorough as possible and don't doubt I could have done better, but I hope you'll consider it, even if you don't consider the links provided above.
Parenthetically, I do not doubt Saudi involvement in terrorism at all. But there is significant evidence of US and Israeli support for "al qaeda" and "ISIS" - it isn't racist to suggest Saudi Arabia's government seems to be involved, and it isn't racist per se to allege the same for the government of the nation state of Israel.
It is also the case that Israel was founded after significant acts of terrorism and ethnic cleansing by Zionist Jews, most of whom were immigrants or 2nd generation to Palestine. There is a complex social psychological matrix which makes this both suppressed and also makes it dismissed, but the evidence is abundant, much of it produced by Israeli/Jewish writers like Pappe, Morris, Finkelstein and others. This doesnt mean Palestinians and Arabs havent also engaged in terror, they clearly have - but one side pushed out and still occupies the other. You of all people should appreciate that states engage in violence. Israel is no different, but combines both racial nationalism with religious mythos and the blowback from interjecting a foreign ethnostate on land that had been Arabized for over a thousand years.
There's hate and violence in the Koran, it motivates a small minority to violence, and it is not "hate" to point it out.
There's hate and violence in the Torah and Talmud, and ditto
Lastly, I'll leave you with this exchange, which if you consider no other link, I'd ask you view. It's fairly short.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O5zgXeCynQ
Again, and sincerely, thanks for mixing it up with me. Fight Club, baby. And to anyone I offended - that was not my intent, but I also believe that it is important to not let people conflate the government of any state with its people, or a broader ethnic/religious group generally. I also think it important to consider that one can consider a bunch of facts and ultimately be merely wrong {or perhaps basically right....} without necessarily having to be racist.
and the winner, by a country mile, is....Johnny Horscaulk :)
Nice job, bro.
Well, thats quite a comment and now that I have less distractions and more time I can address it and the larger scope of my thinking on a few things regarding Jews & Muslims.
No...I do not accept "the official" version of 911 (I never have) and for you to assert that I do is...well, lets just call it a misinterpretation on your part to keep it civil. Gorelicks Wall had as much to do with allowing those SOB's to over stay their student visa's as her sitting on the very Commission that issued the report finding no government incompetence. Having said that, I do not wish to live in a police state where the citizen is spied-on/monitored 24/7/365 but they were not citizens...AND...allowing entrance or forbidding entrance falls within any legitimate governments rightful purview...if we are going to accept the premise of individual sovereign nations.
Now the ancillary, to think that the Israeli government might find some succor or satisfaction of an "I toldja so" moment and amplify it, yes. Let no "crisis go to waste" and all that but the Wahhabi sect in fact did it Saudi backing. What you need to be aware of is the blogs, trolls and their links that come at it from their own biased perspective even as the House of Saud (and Turkey) are now being implicated in backing ISIS.
Furthermore, it was I who said hologram passenger jets crashing into skyscrapers was a fabrication (likely a disinfo campaign by Muslims) much to the dismay of "truthers". And it was. It was I who said voice technology software (promoted by the same voices) was also a hoax. And it was. It was I who said jets would never again be hijacked like this because now everyone knows or suspects they are going to die anyways so why not die fighting for your life. And it hasn't.
As for my general perception of Muslims and Jews it's pretty even as far as I can tell (as much as anyone can self-analyze themselves) as both groups stick together and are loathe to critique or otherwise endanger members of their own however I'm not a historical idiot, there didn't come to be a billion Muslims by peaceful persuasion or an act voluntary acceptance and there is that pesky melding of the laws of man with a religion which was a factor and a precept in the development of this nation.
You have the last word.
come on nmewn - take the bat off your shoulder. Try.
Well, first go back several centuries to the "court jews" and then to the Jewish role in financing royalty, financing both sides of wars, and acting as private central bankers. Sure you can to an extent blame "the Church" but Jews were happily practicing usury as to non jews well before the organized Christian era. Mentioned by Cicero and others. The stuff about usury is in the Torah not just Talmud and as is so often the case - non-jews are treated differentially. Racialsm and supremacism are baked into the text whether or not most Reform Jews ignore or are even totally unaware of it. Although there seem to be cultural/worldview artifacts of this ethnocentrism and racial supremacism.
Add to that Jewish hyperethnocentrism - for example, we may give credit where it is due to the Jewish role in setting up Hollywood, but it has been *kept* Jewish, virtually a Jewish closed shop, for decades [though this goes against the Cult of "Diversity"] This is not because Jews are genetically predisposed to make films - they used financing and tribalism to preserve their power and the ADL etc to obfuscate it.
A small, wealthy, transnational, politically connected group of people acting in concert can wield disporoportionate power, paerticularly when there is no organized opposition or counter-force. So its easy to get Americans to be pro-Israel when Jews are all over the media and there are no Palestinians and you simply don't cover the issues fully or fairly. Surely you are smart enough to understand that a small group of dedicated people determined to manipulate the masses can do so.
Although it gets a lot tougher as people become aware, right? Hence "anti-semite" most of the time {no one is arguing violence or coercion or group blame is either ethical or sensible - its the semantic drift/margins at issue} is really used in order to obfuscate disproportionate Jewish power, and/or Israeli malfeasance.
Let me ask you a question - and to clarify, I'm not maintaining Jews have achieved all they have entirely or even mostly through fuckery - just that fuckery/ethnonepotism/wealth explain a veyr big chunk of it.... if Jews have achieved all they have purely on merit - why the substantial effort to obfuscate that power to the extent of inanely claiming a link like the above is "anti-semitic" for pointing out hypocrisy in alleging Jewish influence over Hollywood?
That is - what sort of light unto the goyim can you be if you keep hiding the secrets of your success?
I'll out my bias here, though in terms of cog sci - I think "IQ" has some significant validity but is fairly gross, I also think intelligence is far more influenced by environmental, nutritional, and social factors [particularly in early childhood - think language acquisition windows] than people like you, determinists, are willing to concede. That is, while its very tempting for you as a Jew to simply declare research into intelligence{s} a solved riddle, people who actually study the matter tend not to be nearly so deterministic.
DEterminism is lazy and easy - a conclusion for people who got tired of thinking. For whom neuroplasticity and multiple intelligences are terra incognita.
If you haven't studied cognitive neuroscience, please understand that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about in terms of assessing either "intelligence" or nature v nurture {interactionalism today} considerations.
On the other hand no one argues there isn't a strong genetic influence, it's just that interactionism enjoys lots of evidence. Shit they've taken entire hemispheres from little kids and they've developed with only relatively mild impairments - and you're going to claim that you 'know' that your quasi-racial group simply "is smarter" than everyone else, despite lots of compelling evidence to the contrary [as noted] by your own facile metric? Could being in the alleged top-by-fixed-nature group possibly impact your assessment here, lol?
That doesn't seem very smart to me... but then, neither does anyone who can read the Torah and believe anyone but a bunch of racist, xenophobic, pre-scientific, ethnocentric cunts wrote it.
jmo.
Ease off the kosher kool aid dave.
The truth is, I agree with a lot of what Macdonald says.
But thats not my kin.....
Let's not digress too much, but there is one fascinating and rather controversial school of thought, that argues...
"The reason that so many Jews are smarter on average than non-Jew whites, is due to the Holocaust Effect: The smart and adaptive Jews got out in time, whereas the dumb and non-adaptive ones went to the death camps". It sounds like it might be plausible, but we have no way of confirming this one way or another. The old Correlation and Causality argument all over again, I suppose.
It is true however, that because the Nazis euthanized so many Germans with physical and mental illnesses that were thought to be genetic-based, that Germany had far fewer cases after the war than other countries, on a per capita basis.
It certainly would be 'interesting', if this were true, that you make your population smarter by getting rid of the 'dummies'. Which then makes me wonder: "Does the USA not do this, by jailing some demographic groups, and sending others to war?"
Thank you First Amendment and ZH/TD, for allowing me to post such sensitive questions to ponder and discuss.
https://www.aei.org/publication/at-the-ivies-asians-are-the-new-jews/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-mer...
it remains the case that there are far more non-Jewish European geniuses even if you are a determinist and even if you claim a 2 sd difference - at 2.2% of general population their wild over-representation is not entirely due to merit.
And as noted, it is also the case that Asians, with far fewer advantages in terms of wealth, and social and political power networks, beat Jews in math and science, lagging in verbal but still in the ballpark.
The point isnt that there isn't 'something' to Dave's worldview, its just that it is as overstated as the thinking of nmewns' anti-semitic straw man, supra. 2.2% being 20% while scoring lower than asians on most of the sat, etc. is in significant part due to other than merit.
But the odious part is - Jews qua group have led the charge for "diversity" - which has been used to artiificially inflate black and latino numbers solely at the expense of non jewish whites and asians who are better qualified than the average Jewish student.
In other words, in a meritocracy I absolutely would expect jewish over-representation, but at very roughly arojnd half of where it is now.
And that, I think, is all I have to say about that.
+10 for stating your points clearly and remaining calm under fire throughout
"Jews qua group have led the charge for "diversity" - which has been used to artiificially inflate black and latino numbers solely at the expense of non jewish whites and asians who are better qualified than the average Jewish student."
This aligns with what I've also stated before, except that I offered a hypothesis, why it happens:
Allowing students from select minorities to attend Ivy League schools, serves to create a "living wall" between the ruling Jewish elite, and Whites and Chinese Asians (who are objectively more qualified). The blacks and other minorities and marginalized groups (e.g. GBLT) who have previously been discriminated (unjustly but also on lack of merit), are now so slap-happy and power-drunk, that they lack perspective, balance and sense of absolute justice.
IOW, this deliberate Reverse Discrimination against select groups (Whites, Chinese & Korean Asians) is sugar-coated in reasonable-sounding mantras of social justice, but is a toxic pill to repopulate the ranks of the Ruling Elite in Academia, Media, Finance and Politics. This process is analogous to a virus from a Sci-Fi film that reprograms the body, and turns it into a different being.
You either resist (which starts with getting actively informed and informing others, and leads to organized activism), or you become roadkill. Not choosing (for fear, laziness or whatever), is a choice in itself, and means that you've allowed to become roadkill.
Lobaczewski in his book Political Ponerology determined Yids do have a higher incidence of psychopathy (3%) than the general population (1%) but he determined psychopaths have no greater IQ than nonpsychopaths. Their characteristics, lying and disregard for others, obsessive ambition and desiring to control others, do make them found in positions of power. Maybe you mistakingly associated that as being intelligent.
Miffed
Yes, can't upvote you enough. Lobaczewski's book is SO important to revealing the stank of psychopathy that I have considered buying a bunch of copies and forcing people to read it at gunpoint, just to drive the point home...until I realized that would be self-defeating. But that book does lay the whole thing out, and make it clear: psychopaths rule this world, and will fight to the end to keep their dominance. It will take a massive world-wide awakening to change this...
Miffed, methinks you have the wrong definition, there, with "Their characteristics, lying and disregard for others, obsessive ambition and desiring to control others..."
I vastly prefer the definition: "Lack of empathy". Does not have to be followed up by lying, disregard, obsessive ambition and desire to control others
yes, I agree, IQ has little to do with it. In fact, stupid psychopaths are either killed or get in jail
a young psychopath, particularly if intelligent, has to learn the hard way - by observation and rationalization - what empathy and other common mental traits are and how they function
this leads to experimentation. there, they can find out a lot about manipulation of others, yes. and then, the road to positions of power open up. possibly, depending from many things
but the truth of psychopaths is this: social norms are even more important... not for them, but how they cope with them
you can't expect psychopaths to follow up on and observe totally rotten systems, or even partially rotten ones, be them social, legal or religious norms
if you observe a rise of psychopaths to the levers of power and what you call psychopathic behaviour... then you are actually witnessing a breakdown of norms... and psychopaths reacting to it in the way it's natural to them: a shrug of the shoulders, a lip service to norms nobody really believes into, and... full exploitation of those norms
in short, an intelligent psychopath is the most rational person in the room, and the most free to do what he thinks he can get away with
give him smart goats, he will lead them. give him stupid sheep, he will drive them. he reacts rationally - and only that - to his environment
later, when he is older, he might even make his environment better, more intelligent, more critical, more guarding. plenty of examples of that in history
Absolutely agree. Lack of empathy is the primary characteristic of psychopaths. I have met many people with varying degrees of empathy and my few interactions with psychopaths was a universal lack of empathy. In fact, in my experience, they have a predilection for sadism and thrive on the suffering of others. Feeds their narcissism and sense of power.
The dark time of my life was when I was living with one. I escaped and never looked back. She was too cunning to ever land in jail, had lots of charisma and was one of the most intelligent people I ever knew but she knew how to exploit a person by using their weaknesses against them. A master manipulator. My Hannibal Lecter experience without the cannibalism, thankfully. I can not imagine what she could have done with unlimited power.
Miffed
Yawn. Yeah , just blame the Jews. Nice and easy. If you are dumb a$$ just blame somebody who is smarter than you. Easy peasy. Looked to me like most of those idiots were visiting red kneck hicks. If they were genuine Yale students then fuckit , I thought Robert Prechter was from that uni so I always respected it.
So in other words, the goal of free speech is to make sure that no Jew is ever criticized even fairly, and that Israel, being the government of the nation state of the Jews built on ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and terror - may not be criticized at all.
Got it.
You're a mook.
We now return to our regularly scheduled arab and muslim bashing.
Chumba: How does one get into college, let alone Yale, being that entirely stupid?
For Ivy League colleges it's a prerequisite.
1. Are you malleable?
2. Do you have deep pockets?
Can be an airhead. As long as your family has money.
"part of that Yale thing, you know did cocaine and probably a closet homosexual".
Malleable. Exactly.
Let us not forget fellow ZHers, these are the elite in training. They will be the captains of industry in a few years. Like Georgie Bush was a few years back.
The ones that went thru that process 10-20 years ago are the traders at Goldmansucks today.(pun intended).
(Nice to see you posting Chum )
Mr Ed (aka John Kerry Heinz) is another distinguished alumni of Yale.
As well as Hill and Billery,
http://www.businessinsider.com/30-most-famous-yale-2010-5
1. Do you have money?
2. Who do you know? (see 1)
3. Can you memorize and regurgitate some facts?
George W. Bush did it. Oh Yeah, he might have had some help from his father.
Their Legacy s were not good enough to get them into Havaad or Princeton..
Too white and too male and its off to Purdue for you...
Look at their endowment fund for the answer.
Miffed;-)
Uhh, I guess I'ma gonna have to get out my trusty Roladex and see if I can find some peeples to explain this one. I think some of the remaining Yankees might be able to offer up some kind of an explaination ( or something really funny! )
More Ivy League trash Piling it Higher and Deeper.
Maybe by "blow up," they mean aggrandize on social media? Right?
Hey, I have a better idea. Let's pass a petition to the same students and ask them to support a Twitter Hastag to keep ISIS out of New Haven Connecticut. Oh and we can have lunch at the Sherwood Diner in Westport afterwards.
Putin should nuke Yale.
Why would he do that when the retards who come out of that indoctrination center can do more to damage the nation than any outside force and they don't even have to fire a shot?
America is doomed.
Probably the original idea of it, but I don't thiink 'Americans' will be. We'll either be the same assholes traveling to other countries as tourists or a bunch of 'bitter clingers' to 'guns or religion'. I'm fine to stay at home and cling to whatever keeps me fed and safe. As for the recent generation of useless idiots seeking 'safe spaces', BLM rights, transgender awareness, etc., well, good luck, you'll never out-shout the guns .GOV uses against you when they get tired of your petty whining. Too soon?
Not to worry, the only product Yale produces is politicians. Idiocracy here we come!
This message brought to you by Brawndo "The Thirst Mutilator."
Not true, they also produce Wall St. grade financial con artists and don't forget lawyers.
They are all tangled up in the same pile with the politicians so I tend to reduce them to their lowest common denominator.
Is that some kind of a Horowitz joke?
Wow!
Yale has become a school of degenerates. Guess the education has become that bad.
Guess people there no longer have critical thinking.
Anyone graduating from that place should be embarrassed.
I am El Presedente...................Vote for me or else!!!!!!!!!! I promise you this that and the other thing...
As a Yale grad, I'm not surprised.
We should start a petition to abolish Yale
Sorry, petitions abolished with 1st amendment.
Well the Tribe should be saluted for their success...
The fundamental aspect of this genocidal war against White Christians is concealed by the Tribe's control of education, finance, both political parties, and public opinion through the mainstream media.
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap4.pdf
We have seen that a common component of Jewish intellectual activity since the Enlightenment has been to criticize gentile culture. Freud’s ideas have often been labeled as subversive. Indeed, “[Freud] was convinced that it was in the very nature of psychoanalytic doctrine to appear shocking and subversive. On board ship to America he did not feel that he was bringing that country a new panacea. With his typically dry wit he told his traveling companions, ‘We are bringing them the plague’ ” (Mannoni 1971, 168).
Mannoni, O. (1971). Freud, trans. R. Belice. New York: Pantheon Books.
"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it?"
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized."
Edward L. Bernays
1 Wall Street
New York City
Edward L. Bernays
7 Lowell St.
Cambridge, Mass.
He was descended from the Chief Rabbi of Hamburg (late 18th-early 19th century) and was a nephew of that quintessence of FILTH, Sigmund Freud.
Jenji Kohan and the Jewish Hyper-Sexualization of Western Culture
I wonder how long information such as this will be legal in the USSA? You see "hate speech" = TRUTH.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/
Congress Provides $1.6B to Resettle Illegal Immigrants Arriving at Border Through 2018 December 17, 2015
I always loved the example of how Bernays convinced women to take up smoking because "freedom"!
LOL!
The stupidest people come from Yale. Harvard is a close second.
Long video cameras, hard drives, RFID implants, DNA labs, tasers, rubber bullets, tear gas.
There are two kinds of people in the world, those who are stupid but can afford to be stupid and those who can't afford to be stupid but are anyway.