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ISIS, Al Qaeda And The CIA: The Documented Connection
The Middle East is fertile ground for conspiracy theories, and one growing to towering heights these days says the US created the Islamic State. But while the US may well have aided ISIS in its formative days with covert supplies of weapons and CIA funding (directly or indirectly, via Turkey leading political families) the one nation most responsible for iteration after iteration of "terrorist organizations" is Saudi Arabia which "created" not only the Islamic State, but al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, and many other Sunni Jihadist groups in Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, India, Pakistan.
The US has long been aware of this, of course, and it has provided material support to some of them in the distant past, for example to the Taliban in the war against Russia. But the more reasonable among us have questioned recent claims that the US intentionally created the Islamic State, a group of the same lineage as the Saudi terrorists responsible for 9/11.
Those rejecting a direct link between the US and the Islamic State instead ask a perfectly logical question: why would the US allow a country ruled by monarchs with dark-age-sensibilities get away with attacking us on 9/11, funding al-Qadea in Iraq (a group that killed a few thousand US soldiers), and now the Islamic State? Two answers: fat, senile Saudi kings are preferable to the Islamic monsters that would replace them in a regime change, and the Bush family/Carlyle Group would prefer not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
Thanks to the resurrection of "J Pierpont Morgan", these doubts and questions are no longer reasonable. They are, in fact, irrelevant. Because J Pierpont Morgan, apparently experiencing a Scrooge-like transformation, has seen the light. Yesterday he tweeted three public source documents that conclusively show a Senior CIA Spy- a major figure in operations from South America to the Middle East-is lobbying the US Government to destroy Iraq and formally create an independent Sunnistan on behalf of a Sunni terrorist.
Senior CIA spy turned consultant hired by Sunni Iraqi insurgent to destroy Iraq, create formal Sunni-jihad-istan pic.twitter.com/EQasbBp4kB
— J Pierpont Morgan (@pierpont_morgan) December 17, 2015
That terrorist joined the Iraq insurgency in 2004 under the Al-Qaeda Iraq banner, and was given hundreds of millions of dollars by the CIA and CENTCOM to defect, joining the US-led coalition in the now famous “Surge.” Known as H.E. Shaykh Abdalrazzaq Hatem al-Sulayman, this self-described prince is the head of a 4 million strong (mostly Sunni) tribe in Anbar, and lived the high life on US taxpayer money- that is until Obama declared AQ and AQI dead, bolted from Iraq and pivoted toward Asia. No CIA. No Surge. No money. Just the wasteland that is Anbar, and a Baghdad government intent on consolidating power at Sulayman’s expense.
His Eminence, with his children in need of Bugatti supercars, flats in London, multiple Vertu mobiles, and an entourage of slaves, did what any good dad would: he created an insurgency called The Anbar Tribes Revolutionary Council in 2013, and solicited funds from Sunni Monarchs and individuals throughout the GCC. The goal: destroy Baghdad and restore the Sunni to power in Iraq. His allies: the Ba’ath and ISIS.
In late 2014 Sulayman connected with Jonathan Greenhill, “former” Senior Operations Officer at the CIA who set up shop in DC as a lobbyist. Makes sense. CIA Spy since the early 1980s, probably living oversees under non-official-cover, comes home to lobby Congress. Anyway, Mr. Greenhill incorporated the Greenhill Group, and Sulayman retained him. One wonders how Sulayman became aware of Greenhill’s lobbying venture.
Mr. Greenhill’s LinkedIn page says he “conceptualized and executed one of the Agency’s most successful counterterrorism covert action operations while leading a CIA Base in an exceptionally dangerous, high stress war zone environment.” Might that be the Surge? Might Mr. Greenhill have played a role in funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to members of the AQ Iraq insurgency like Sulayman?
Oddly enough, Mr. Greenhill has a Facebook page too.
Who knows? What we do know is one of the most important spies in the CIA, one with a major role in the Near East (probably Iraq), definitely was retained as a lobbyist by Sulayman. And Sulayman retained him to “create an autonomous Sunni region in Iraq or an independent Sunni State.” In other words, destroy Iraq by formally creating and recognizing Sunni-Jihadi-stan. Or a safe-zone for Sunni terrorists. Or what it actually is, a caliphate. It was recently written in the Washington Post that many Shia Iraqis harbor the conspiratorial belief the US created the Islamic State to destroy Iraq. Conspiracy theory becomes conspiracy fact.
h/t @pierpont_morgan
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"Conspiratorial belief".... lmao. Funny how that conspiracy always has some shred of truth to it.
Truth is treason in an empire of lies.
rivetgun
UN Security Council Will Adopt a Resolution to Disrupt ISIS Funds
WTF?
...and we waited this long because.....????...15 months?..whatever/however fucking months of "bombing ISIS" and we never thought to cut off their money supply?
Where's jeb BUSH? PUT HIM IN OFFICE NOW!...Obama is Clueless...We need jeb BUSHs' "Global Coalition" to roll into Syria, kill everyone in sight and install "Freedom and Democracy"!
If jeb Bush doesn't ROLL NOW, those stupid fuckers at the UN, and that fucken dick Putin, will most likely render ISIS incapable of buying a fucking pair of Chinese knock-off Nikes let alone the military equipment necessary to fight jeb BUSH's "coalition" and make him look good on the world stage.
jeb BUSH 2016! YaFuckenHOO!
Oh, and hey, John Lurch Kerry...where the fuck have you been? Isn't dealing with those fucks at the UN your Job?
Well, that's enough for now, there's a squirrel in my yard again...I told that fucker yesterday to stay off my property, the son-of-a-bitch is back again today, diggin in my yard, I know the bastard is looking for my gold where's my gun!
http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.692374
I would love to know what knid of dirt Putin has on the Obama adminisration that he told Kerry & Newland about that made them roll over after the meeting in Moscow. It can't be 911 info, as they would just blame Bush. It probably isn't ISIS info, as the American public is ignoring the fact that the US hasn't really been going after ISIS. It can't be a new weapon or a military threat, otherwise Kerry would have just gotten belligerent and said that we won't be threatened. Ideas anyone?
Detroit is available
Detroit is available
Seeing as you've probably never even been to Michigan, let alone Detroit, why don't you keep your fucking mouth shut. Try not basing your opinions on what you see on teevee next time, o.k.? And yeah, I live in the Detroit area . . . .
You're just mad that your broke ass can't afford to move.
That 'n Jerome and Renaldo don't make deliveries to Flatdik Kentucky.
JPM exposing the US? The US turning on Turkey? Saudi Arabia turning on the US? The US Fed upping rates?
I think London just called time on the current global makeup. Time for chaos.
Something about the planned Chinese Pearl Harbor?
MH17. He has the intercepts showing they were trying to kill Putin's plane whichI read was on some similar flight path. Whatever the intent and my imagination of intercepts, Putin knows what happed to MH17, it is a clear coverup on our side, and it isn't mentioned much in anti-Russian propaganda even in the Ukraine.
Russia certainly had all of the radar info you could want to know what happened, no way they couldn't know. So the real question is why the Ukraine-US-Nazis were so bold as to do that?
Hard to believe Russia would have believed the story if they had actually gotten Putin.' OTOH Neuland and he CIA. Brennen visited some months before MH17...
If Putin can prove MH17 why doesn't he? Is he afraid of what might replace this administration when they are all in prison for mass murder? Could be.
"UN Security Council Will Adopt a Resolution to Disrupt ISIS Funds"
They thought they could stretch the charade longer but just realized many people ain't that stupid.
In his position, you might hoard the info, and releasing it yourself would make it suspect. If he waits for the dutch to ask, it might change. Dutch are pissed about the coverup.
The Dutch case is extremely dodgy.
"The Australian Federal Police and Dutch police and prosecutors investigating the cause of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17 believe the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) has failed to provide “conclusive evidence” of what type of munition destroyed the aircraft, causing the deaths of 283 passengers and 15 crew on board"
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14787
The Australians are also up to their neck in the cover-up
"The Victorian state [of Australia] coroner Iain West (lead image) has concluded a 60-minute inquest into the deaths of Australians on board Malaysian Airlines MH17 by issuing a statement of findings contradicting the coroner’s own statements, as well as the evidence of reports from the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and courtroom testimony from the senior Australian police officer investigating the MH17 crash."
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14812
Evidence of Dutch Safety Board interfering with evidence - before and after reconstruction images of a bulkhead.
http://johnhelmer.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/1754_sm.jpg
Horseface predicted that Russian "airplanes will fall out of the sky" and, voila, two soon did. If one were cynical, they might assume that it wasn't a lucky guess.
Clear ISIS links would be very toxic too. If the proles truly believe that Mordor creates the monsters they threaten them with, then Mordor is doomed. Amusingly, it's also fatal for ISIS. There's no glamour in becoming a zionist quisling.
Putin knows EVERYTHING about Barry. That's a lot of dirt.
Yes. Putin could ruin the fiction that is the Obama story. It'll all come out post-presidency, but the present would be bad timing.
What a load of crap...how could the timing be bad?
If there was real dirt, he would have used it by now, hence, there is nothing new.
Now that I can believe.
Russia has been showing off the capabilities of their toys and some is pretty surprising. The US may be having second thoughts or even third thoughts about sharing in those rich spoils (look under the ground) with the Russians. Of course this is only a temporary foreign policy change. It will be erroded in a short while. The fact that old stone face Nuland is there is to help show Putin and company they are sincere.
sarc.
on another note of interest uncle Gordy had an interesting show last night about something called "false flag" what ever that is but here believes that the pentegon has gone roug and that the old canary, mccain is running the show over there.
where is captain america?
The USA, France, Nato, the fucken Russians...all jumping on the "Destroy ISIS bandwagon"....and now this!
"Hitler plans to join the fight against the ISIS"
https://youtu.be/eSKeXpYtLiQ
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Napolean is waiting his turn.
Is it actually a 'conspiracy' if everyone knows about it? Oh...wait....nearly everyone in America doesn't know about it, so it remains a 'conspiracy' discussed by 'theorists'.
They don't need to hide this shit any more. Threy can do it right under our noses and when discovered or "outed" the sheep are well conditioned to ignore information than does not conform to the approved narrative.
This is almost as shocking as the discovery that Rick Blaine was allowing gambling in his establishment!!!
I'd think more of the ISIS guys would be jockeying for a desk job in Virginia.
Their current benefit package stinks, no pension and very limited healthcare.
But all the child sex slaves you could ever desire.
I'd love to get a camera into one of their sex-slave auctions. I'd be willing to bet they're selling exclusively to the representatives of Western business and media personalities.
Try sending the link to anyone you know. They will still think it a conspiracy theory despite the evidence(s).
what ever happened to the good ol days of the Taliban and the northern alliance
Fear the Taliban
Fear the Northern Alliance
Fear the Al Qaida
Fear the Isis
Fear the ISIL
Fear the CIA
opps scratch that
Funny, most of the GOP Presidential candidates I watched the other night didn't talk about or know any of this stuff.
We are truly fucked going forward in the USA.
YEP!
jeb BUSH wants to send a 100,000 soldiers into Syria to crush ISIS...never mind it's a fucken desert...cut off the food, the funds and the water and them ISIS bastards are dead in 3 months without a bullet fired....nope too simple..and we might starve "innocents"...bunch a fucknuts.
I don't really, I do, but I don't, expect any of these fucknuts to be that smart...but you'd think the "27 GENERALS" that are backing Bush would properly "advise him" on an easy win...guess "winning fast" isn't what they're looking for...
See some lies Say some lies
What are you saying goy? Jonathan Seth Greenhill is a good boy who did dun nuffin... for free.
A lot of us has k own this for a ong time
Is this a joke? A senior CIA agent posts this on LinkedIn? Makes Idiocracy the movie look like a reality show.
A "Senior Operations Officer" is not senior.
But yes, there is plenty of shit "hiding in plain sight". Unfortunately, the masses have been well conditioned to incorrectly connect the dots.
Weren't you just saying something about tin foil hatters in the other thread? Most of America considers this article to be tinfoil hat stuff for the reasons you so eloquently describe.
I say very impolite things about Mad Tinfoil Haberdashers, Puti Trolls, PM Pimps, BitchCoin Shills, NeoAustrian Economists, DeepState Cockgobblers, Whackjob Headchoppers, Religious Fundamentalists and just about any other group that claims their golden calf is infallible and has all the answers.
Echo chambers bore me, and they don't provide anyone a greater understanding of the world around them.
Yes, they do. And we know why, our MSM and government lie to us with great volume, great elequence and great creativity.
They generate hatres and distractions endlessly, almost as if it is their job, as if someone were using our taxes against us.
And they intetntionally cause chaos and war throughout the world as a way of distracting us, dividing us, and preventing us from focusing on the problem.
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America.
If peace, they hang. Their can be no peace so long as they are in power, unhung.
Sure. Right after they tweet all the drug for guns transactions and post selfies on facebook with 13 year old thai lady-boys. "What is UP Wegros! ZOMG runnin crack for azz an' packin heat yo! CIA IN THE Covert OP's HIS-OUSE! Bitchez be proper hung! Crunk...skeet skeet skeet!!"
..."a group of the same lineage as the Saudi terrorists responsible for 9/11"
this is one of the ways you answer your question
Surprise, surprise!
We really need to stop giving these people money.
"We really need to stop giving this scum Credit, and stop assuming the associated Debt-notes."
FIFY. Just in case you were under the mistaken impression that said "Money" is backed by real cash or real collateral.
This could be as fake as Obama's birth certificate. No smoking gun here, maybe a dribbling water pistol.
Not likely to fake, but very likely to be misinterperted. ISIS was up & running a full year before Greenhill Group was established around September 2014.
From something posted a while back-
Your timeline for ISIS popping up out of the the blue is a bit aggressive. ISIS has been around in the real (non-MSM) world for years. The great question about ISIS is how exactly did they go about the very rapid transformation from a resistance movement to conquering and holding territory in the fall of 2013, during the Anbar "Re-Awakening" of the same guys David Betrayus was bribing with Americans' taxpayer dollars for his own political advancement, before Obozo kneecapped his ass and dropped him at the CIA... Even if John Brennan flipped a switch as soon the false flags from Khan al-Assal and Ghouta started to fall apart in late 2013 and used the existing US-UK infrastructure that had been training and equipping the Syrian "resistance" since at least 2011 (if not 2009), he wouldn't have had time to "convert" ISIS in order to seize and hold Fallujah in December 2013 (right after the Islamic Front was born).
The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline was initially announced in July 2011, right as the Free Syrian Army was formed and right before Syrian National Council was formed in Turkey, then almost exactly two years later and six months before the fall of Fallujah, right as the Al Nusra-ISIS schism/merger & reverse-merger crap is coming to a head, Assad finally officially nixes a pipeline proposal that he never intended to build, but which would have benefited Turkey (obviously) and at the time announces that he will recommit to the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline and of course this was right after another round of rumors about finally repairing or rebuilding the Kirkuk–Baniyas oil pipeline along more or less the same route.
So Fallujah falls and in the process a road block pops up right where two pipelines (one oil and one gas) need to cross, then when robbing banks that don't have their own presses ceases to pay the ISIS bills, ISIS makes a run for the border and the Syrian oil fields (having never succeeded in seizing the Kirkuk oil fields near Mosul). So the manufactured "ISIS is somehow related to Assad" meme is really pushing the limits of human ignorance on multiple levels.
As long as a small oligarchy runs the handful of media outlets that comprise the MSM, no one with a sizable audience will seriously question the official narrative.
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The reason I think the timeline is a bit aggressive is because operation "Bomb Assad" had a green light until September (Kerry opened his mouth on September 9, which provided Lavrov with the opening to check him on September 14, and mated him on September 27 with UNSC 2118). The ISIS/Al Nusra/Al Queda soap opera a few months earlier (Spring/Summer 2013) appears critical to ISIS's transformation in Nov/Dec 2013. Someone cut a deal, cut some checks, and put some serious boots on the groundbased on the outcome of that spring schism. ISIS almost overnight acquired actual urban combat and pacification skills, civil administration, propaganda... the whole package. So someone with a lot of diverse resources at their disposal was watching that feud, the strange thing is that there aren't the usual tell tale DC puppet strings. The Pentagon, Foggy Bottom, Langley they all likeconditionalities and the facade of control of the Beast (and this was before Obozo put Carter's micro-mismanagement skills to shame),and the end result is almost always a big government clusterfuck, just like the moderate "resistance" training. Whereas with ISIS- it's like someone at the Pentagon actually took the leash off 5SFG and said "you guys know best, go do your thing, and don't bother checking in with us". Hell hasn't frozen over, so there must to be someone else involved.
Fantastic post. It seems if it isn't the USSA it's got to be Tel Aviv or London. Right? I can't see how it's Russia or China. There aren't many governments that can pull that off
They- "The Cabal"- operates under the guise of many nation states, of course. I would really caution against thinking of DC, London and Tel Aviv as separate or independent entities. They act in concert and have for a very long time.
WoW, urbanredneck, we've been waiting for you to tell us what you really think. thank you.
I want to know who Greenhill was working with back in 2006 during the Anbar Awakening, when the locals decided they had enough of al-Zarqawi's plan to establish a caliphate in the same spot, and before someone took the lessons learned documentation and actually learned something and put it to use in a "backwards" way. But people in Hell want icewater, and I'd settle for a lot less.
Greenhill's resume implies he was a Station Chief in South/Central America when ISIS was growing, so he can't be the critical link (unless he took a demotion at the nominal end of his CIA career). Someone from his past (who was INTIMATELY involved with expansion of ISIS) decided to offer him a consulting gig. If H.E. Shaykh Abdalrazzaq Hatem al-Sulayman simply wanted to hire a lobbyist to influence US policy, he would have hired an established lobbying firm, not a start-up with no experience, run a by a guy who did two ten year stints with the CIA as bookends to a decade of corporate shystering/litigation that ended soon after 9/11.
+1
I'm nearly there with most of your post. But the soap opera you referred to in the Summer of 2013 wasn't for me the driver of the ISIS transformation, the driver was the failure at that time by the US administration to destroy Syria after months of "Assad's chemical weapons poisoning his own people" bullshit along with the amassing of 5 US destroyers + more on the way as a prelude to a massive strike against Assad who was staunchly defended by 11 Russian warships in a military stand-off. On the 29th/30th of August 2013, the UK parliament voted not to support the US in this endeavour and the whole thing fell apart. On the 9th of September 2013, John Kerry demanded that the entire stockpile of chemical weapons be destroyed by an impossible deadline of "within a week", but by then the winds of war had subsided and within months an agreement was reached for a new deadline of mid-2014. IMO, this failure to exploit the chemical weapons bullshit propaganda (Thanks to Russia) meant the creation of ISIS to destroy Assad's Syria by other means.
With the actual reason for war skilfully removed from the table by the Russians, the "rebels" - a hodge podge of mercenaries, ne'er do wells and unemployed teens all over the ME were put through the CIA training camps in Jordan and released into Syria to wreak proxy-havoc. At the exact same time and most likely from the same training camps, ISIS emerged, as you say, with the whole package of a professional army supported by a logistical service that had the Iraqi generals, who had to face them, green with envy at all the toys ISIS were getting airdropped. Turkey we know was a supplier, so were undoubtedly the Israelis, Qataris and the Saudis. These nations became Washington's "Plausibly deniable operators". A year and a half of pretend allied bombing at ISIS later, ISIS actually GREW. No wonder the Iraqis are disgusted with the Pentagon lies and want Russia to come to their aid. IMO, ISIS is not (yet) an unleashed, uncontrolled entity "accidentally" created by DC, it is very much still their baby monster looking for an opportunity to do the bidding of the Neocons.
The State Dept started their demonisation of Russia and Russian media in earnest throughout the remaining 2013, culminating in the Kiev coup in February 2014. We all know how this carries on to this day.
Fast forward to this month, the Russians having learnt the harsh lessons in Syria, Ukraine & Eqypt that there is no reasoning with those in the West they called, "Partners" just a couple of years ago, no way to dissuade the neocons from a collision course to war, they are finally on a hair trigger ready for anything, including the deployment of nukes. I do not think this is a particularly good development considering the powerful neocon-zionist forces still at work in Washington who were hell bent on this outcome from the very beginning.
NATO Turkey has been exposed as ISIS oil fund central (Bilal Erdogan etc), the rumours that ISIS is a CIA/Mossad construct are being proven to be factual (Greenhill, Iraqi army eyewitnesses, Israeli commandos rescuing al-queda nutjobs and patching them up), mainstream print media have already joined the dots on CIA's terror training camps in Jordan and Qatar's mercenaries. And even a Saudi prince has been caught trying to smuggle 2 tons of amphetamines. (Those who don't know the history of giving amphetamines to soldiers to make them inhuman and tough, should look up PERVITIN.). For anyone who can read, the guilt is written all over the bastards who lie daily at the State Dept. Try listening to John Kirby or Jen Psaki without being disgusted. It's not possible.
Great post YHC-FTSE
Thanks mate, it's always good to see you in a thread. Wow, it's been 6yrs since we both migrated from Seeking Alpha!
I arrived at the "summer of 2013" through inductive reason, so it's entirely possible that there is another catalyst that hasn't been publicly documented, or I haven't come across. Assuming John Kerry, John Brennan, or Chuck Hagel gave a green light around the third week of September- I don't see how ISIS could have completely changed its posture, developed a plan, equipped, and deployed in under 90 days, so I went looking for an earlier catalyst for the same sort of green light decision. (I am assuming that while John Brennan was using AOL for his office email he wasn't simultaneously using WhatsApp to communicate directly with al-Baghdadi, but who knows...)
A SWAT team can secure a building on short notice, but an army of SWAT teams securing an entire city takes more lead time. (Even the mighty JSOC with MIC backing took a full two months to capture Mazar-i-Sharif, and that assumes they ony started planning on September 11, 2001.) The individual components could all be prepared in less than 90 days, but I don't see how it could be done at an organizational level that quickly, even given pre-training of all the foot soldiers and preliminary/established contacts between ISIS leadership and foreign intelligence services, as some of the preparations have to be performed sequentially.
Assad's announcements to run the two pipelines across western Syria into Iraq and the attempted ISIS merger with Al-Nusra (both of which were spring/summer 2013) provide a more realistic time frame IMO. However, without documentation of the actual link to Western intelligence, or a really good Who's Who at ISIS, it's impossible to determine the relative strength of ISIS's ties to western interests through 1) "veteran" ISIS leadership circa 2012 , 2) their host tribal leader allies involved in the original Anbar Awakening and 3) the Al-Nusra defectors in the summer of 2013 (some of whom were previous defectors from John McCain's "moderate" terrorist groups that had full CIA backing and designated handlers).
A limitation of this analysis is the US focus (US would include the pig fucking lackey in London). Both Turkish and Israeli intelligence could provide much of the same support and have different catalysts, whereas Sunni Saudi Arabia and Qatar lack direct geographical access (without the cooperation or acquiescence of Turkey, Israel, or Shiite Baghdad).
As much as I absolutely abhor war, I appreciate the deductive reasoning behind your post. Do you know any SF guys? I only know one - long since retired - and they live for this kind of shit. 90 days to lead a bunch of green CIA-trained nutjobs in urban guerilla warfare to take town after town, each encounter making more veterans, accumulating heavier weapons, recruits, wealth and support. That's like a dream come true for some of them and plenty of time to get themselves sorted, especially if any extraneous activities to combat such as propaganda, food/ammo supplies, fuel, mechanised support and training recruits were all compartmentalised and outsourced to other professional outfits, so all they had to do was go out and fight. It's not impossible. Ask an expert and see what they think.
A dossier may have been started on ISIS by the Institute for the Study of War at the end of 2013, but in June 2014, ISIS had less than 4000 fighters in Iraq - this was their action inception point - coincidentally the same month as the deadline to the chemical weapons removal deadline of 30 June 2014. Russia and Syria did the almost impossible on 23 June 2014 and the last declared chemical weapons were shipped out of Syria for destruction. Then suddenly a group that nobody had ever heard of before popped into the msm radar. Just like that, from Iraq, the country that was occupied & controlled by the USA 24 months hence. A country that has 4 permament "US Super Bases" and no less than 14 military bases called "Enduring bases" (Green Zone in Baghdad, Camp Anaconda at Balad Airbase, Camp Taji in Taji, Camp Falcon-Al-Sarq in Baghdad, Post Freedom in Mosul, Camp Victory-Al Nasr at Baghdad Airfield, Camp Marez at Mosul Airfield, Camp Renegade in Kirkuk, Camp Speicher in Tikrit and Camp Fallujuh) which is contradictory to the "Complete withdrawl of troops" declared in 2011. So, we are all led to believe ISIS popped up in amongst all of these American facilities then captured a land area bigger than Portugal within months right under the noses (& guns & fighter jets) of the US. It's unbelievable. Surely that should resonate with anyone who cannot reconcile the US involvement with ISIS.
As for the pig fucker lackey in the UK, he finally got his chance to put some pilots at risk to bomb Syria this month. An awesome lack of judgement, just when the Russians are making progress with their Syria campaign and just when the S-400s had been deployed. Dumb just does not cover it.
As always, growth is predicated by income and the fact that ISIS was aided and abetted by the players involved - the USA, Qatar, Israel, Turkey and Saudi Arabia - made the handlers and the handled very wealthy indeed. In just over one year since they came to light, estimates vary about their strength between 53,000 and 250,000. If ISIS was an IPO, the return on investment would have overshadowed every offering during the last decade. It has, as a brand, spawned a huge amount of output from every military industrial complex across the globe and initiated draconian laws curtailing individual freedom. Who benefitted the most from ISIS?
I reckon you're much more well read in the various groups prior to 2013. My take on the situation is merely observation and perhaps tinged by bias from experience.
I know a lot fewer of them now than I used to, but I would generalize them more as high functioning psychopaths than psychos, but there are certainly stereotype variations between services and from unit to unit, and they all seem to get worse and worse as standards are continually lowered over time (or as I get older). The highest concentration of figurative psychos I encountered was in the regular Marine Corps, followed by Army Infantry, then Ranger door kickers, THEN the capacity builders. The worst individual psycho I had ever the displeasure of spending a few months with was actually a British Royal Marine (and raving National Front neonazi who was eventually driven out of the Service).
ISM is interesting to me more because their mission is programming the perceived decision makers back home. I was shocked when I found out over the 2013 Christmas Holiday about the fall of Fallujah, but not as shocked as I was over the next few weeks when I saw basically NOTHING in the general press, particularly given the cost of the first two battles of Fallujah. DC might not have cared, but EVERYONE in Iraq knew what happening with ISIS. It's wasn't as smooth as the US steamrolling of Afghanistan but ISIS was rolling a lot of Sunni tribal chiefs to take and hold that many towns with that few soldiers (facilitated, no doubt, by the alleged Ba'athists unemployed by Paul Bremer's CPA#2 that made US failure in Iraq inevitable, and sealed my decision to get out of the "Iraq rebuilding industry". I sort of wrote off the surreal silence as the highfalutin puppet media not being willing to admit publicly that Obama was actually nothing more than the smooth-talking-jive-turkey-operating-above-his-pay-grade that his most bigoted detractors accused him being from the beginning.
Then June 2014 rolls around... The Battle of Mosul. Failure could not be glossed over any longer on several levels 1) for those advocating a partition of Iraq their plan would fail if the Kurds were driven back into Turkey and Iran. 2) the oil companies who had spent billions of their own dollars to jump into bed with Barzani and his ilk stood to lose the return on their investment, 3) the plans of the Shiities in Baghdad and Terhan who sought a unified and Shiite dominated Iraq were existentially threatened (Mosul Dam) and 4) anyone buying into (or trying to resell) Obozo's propaganda rendition of "peace with honor/peace in our time" stood to be made bigger fool or liar than Nixon and Chamberlain combined. So ISM and their ilk have to move the thought position of the patricians and technocrats and the MSM have to move the thought position of the masses in short order to either maintain the status quo, or achieve the strategic ambition of the elite (which tactically required stopping ISIS's eastward/ESE advance and driving or incenting ISIS to focus its advances on the western front).
+1 amazing thread, thank you both Urban Redneck and YHC-FTSE
"As for the pig fucker lackey in the UK, he finally got his chance to put some pilots at risk to bomb Syria this month. An awesome lack of judgement, just when the Russians are making progress with their Syria campaign and just when the S-400s had been deployed. Dumb just does not cover it."
you mean the Right Honourable Prime Minister Cameron? it still baffles me why he wants to operate in Syria instead of concentrating at his task in Iraq. it baffles me even more how easily the Westminster Parliament gave him permission to do it
I even understand less why the RAF is talking about using Tornados in Syria, given that the RAF has plenty of other options, as far as I know
if I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd say he wants to make the job of the German Tornados... more difficult and dangerous
and this would tie in to the Tyler Durden theory that it's all about muddling the affair, though TD thinks that "The West" is united in this purpose
Top shelf rundown and observations, UR.
Thanks,
~ DC
"ISIS was up & running a full year before Greenhill Group was established around September 2014."
Yeah, try a decade early as ISIL is Al Qaeda in Iraq. Four name changes now, but even a redneck should be aware of this.
"From something posted a while back"... you actually save that dribble? It's just a bunch of clueless, obnoxious American bullshit. I always like the editing they do. The bolding and underlining and italics and anything else they can throw at their delusional, baseless crap.
Well, why don't you educate us?
Personally, I find these perspectives to be stimulating, with any number of plausible aspects. Not a single one of us here actually KNOWS all of the history and inter-workings surrounding the rise of ISIS, but a very large number of us is confident that what we are told is not the truth. Come on, and share your perspectives.
Why would I go the effort of saving something that Tyler (usually) saves for me? Since you obviously need some help with basic internet search functionality you can start here: https://www.google.com/advanced_search and then graduate to typing URL search strings directly, or using an alternative search provider or database.
As to ISIS, you should study its M&A and product history a bit more carefully. Your count of name changes is incorrect, but that's minor detail. ISIS is the GM of the terrorist industry. But to say that ISIS was up & running (as I made NO assertion as to it's founding) in 2003 is even more incorrect than saying GM Defense is a multibillion dollar MIC corporate monster today. The personnel, process and product of ISIS prior to 2003 appears to be a bit above your education level, but the short of it is- Bibi would not be allowing Israelis to buyi ISIS oil or provide medical care to ISIS troops if they were remotely similar.
As to what you should have learned from this string was that in 2013 there was a spinoff, hiring binge, major capital investment, and new product launch from ISIS. Yet the only aspect that is discussed in the broader press is the new product launch, which wan't even really discussed prior to the Battle of Mosul in 2014, which roughly corresponded with ISIS's declaration of a worldwide caliphate.
Congratulations, you've actually achieved something remarkable and increasingly rare, proving your own inferiority to American Exceptionalism. There are plenty of places on the internet where people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about can freely commiserate with like minded individuals. ZeroHedge isn't one of them, even if some of us don't bother to call out the tinfoil hat peddlers each time they post.
The DIA document is damning... Judicial Watch liberated it via FOIA:
http://thenewsdoctors.com/the-one-thing-you-need-to-know-about-isis/
Posting a down arrow on my post will not change the fact that this DIA document exists, has been declassified, and is waaaaaaaaaaay more damning than the CIA-linked document discussed above. There also are no questions about the authenticity of the DIA document.
+100000000000!))
thankyou :)
Do you have Cancer?
OMG Zero's, did anyone get cancer from posting on TheZeroHedge.com?
Don't blame me. I just come here to downvote the trolls.
Only you. Appears you somehow afflicted with ass cancer in the brain.
The leadership in Iraq should close down the US embassy and tell the US storm troopers to leave.
tick tock
White House, Media Silent One Year After Murder of US Reporter Who Exposed Western Links to ISIS October 20, 2015
Serena Shim proved all of the conspiracy theories and they killed her.
Why won't Trump publicize this? If he doesn't scream about this tomorrow and every day forward, we will know for sure that he is a total fraud. What better way for the fear candidate to gather support than to prove that the current government conspired to create the terrorists. Seems like a no-brainier. That's why he won't ever mention it in public.
We have to create them so we can blow them up later.
When the bomb factories begin layoffs, we know the end is near.
Bingo, we have a winner. All this talk about strategic deals etc is nonsense, that's all just misdirection. Used to be war was about that stuff, countries and factions trying to control resources and territory. Nowadays it's the war fighting ITSELF that is the treasure. So FedEx gets another no-bid contracxt to ship palettes of bottled water from friggin' Seattle to Baghdad, we have complicated multi-million $ machines that are destroyed and must be replaced the first time they are used (drone missiles), ect etc etc.
Follow the money, this shit is not that complcated. It's about the flow of money from chump taxpayers around the globe to the Congressional-Military-Industrial Complex (as the original draft of Ike's speech called it).
What about all the lawyers, judges and high public officials that know we under a state of emergency since Lincoln and the 14th amendment is illegitimately controlling the whole country.
Can you elaborate re:14th amendment?
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...
I agree we are being played. Donald Trump is far more likely Deep State than merely plausible rich man outside the beltway candidate.
Crisis actor for the GOP, I think.
ISIS IS A CIA-MOSSAD LIE
Yes, it's just the latest incarnation of al-CIAda, which has been merrily killing Arabs for decades.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/27/world/casey-reported-behind-85-lebanon...
William J. Casey, the former Director of Central Intelligence, personally arranged for Saudi Arabia to sponsor a car bomb attack against a Lebanese Shiite religious leader believed to be involved in terrorism, according to a new book.
The author of the book, Bob Woodward, an assistant managing editor of The Washington Post, writes that the 1985 operation - which failed to kill the Shiite leader but left 62 others dead -was one of three Saudi-sponsored operations arranged by Mr. Casey that circumvented normal C.I.A. procedures
The simply amazing bit was 'The Saudis who did 9/11'.
The Saudis under the direction of the Mossad and the CIA and Dick Cheney and Shrub.
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America.
Has anyone serious looked into Trump and his campaign? My scan says 'far too close to deep state links'.
Are his crowds rented by the CIA, part of a Hollywood production?
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/donald-trump-you-are-being...
I think we are being played.
Never doubt we are being played. This never changes.
unavoidable,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6Eu43RoaGQ
...
Elvis Costello - Pidgin English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dldrqhTq7W0
.
There's a young girl with her old man who's too sick to mention
She`ll be turning twenty seven as she draws her widow's pension
But he couldn't catch a common cold he couldn't get arrested
Too terrified to answer back, too tired to have resisted
Many hands make light work, shorthand makes life easy
When he's out on night work, make sure no one sees me
It all ends up in a slanging match with body talk and bruises
A change is better than a rest
Silly beggars can`t be choosers
One of a thousand pities that you can't categorize
There are ten commandments of love
When will you realize (there are ten commandments of love?)
I believe, I trust, I promise, I wish love's just a throwaway kiss
In this Pidgin English
If you're so wise use your lips and your eyes
"Take it to the bridge," she sighs
You go cheep-cheep-cheep between bull's-eyes and bluster
Stiff as your poker face, keener than mustard
From your own back yard to the land of exotica
From the truth society to neurotic erotica
Silence is golden (money talks diamonds and ermine)
There's a word in Spanish (Italian and German)
In sign language, Morse code, semaphore and gibberish
Have you forgotten how to say it
In your Pidgin English?
One of a thousand pities that you can't categorize
There are ten commandments of love
When will you realize (there are ten commandments of love?)
I believe, I trust, I promise, I wish love's just a throwaway kiss
In this Pidgin English
One of a thousand pities that you can't categorize
There are ten commandments of love
When will you realize (there are ten commandments of love?)
P.S, I love you
P.S, I love you
P.S, I love you
Songwriters
COSTELLO, ELVIS MetroLyrics
'oversaw a budget of hundreds of thousands of dollars'
...my mother oversaw a budget bigget than that....
Even a very small doctors office has a gross at or above that range..
Especially if the one doctor in the office is charging Medicaid to see 100 patients a day.
<But he works really really hard. Doesn't every doctor see one patient every 4.8 minutes during an eight hour day?>
That is why doctor's offices make great cover for nefarious meetings.
QUOTE: "and the Bush family/Carlyle Group would prefer not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg."
S/B "and the Bush family/Carlyle Group would prefer not to kill the goose that SMUGGLES THE AFGHAN HEROIN egg"
bogus
Did Mr. Lavrov and Mr. Putin recently share some of this info with Horseface 57? Russia has the goods on the evil empire and threatened to share it with the world. Obummer's foreign policy is a joke and the whole world sees it! Time for another false flag on American soil.
Central Wahhabi planning is called conspiracy by its victims.
SERIOUSLY!!!!! And here I was all worried that ISIS or their evil twins ISIL was gonna come to my door & violently rape me & then chop my head off ... or the other way around!!!!! I even put up a door bar just in case!!!!
It's The Oded Yinon Plan.
plus preventing the iran pipeline through Syraq while Israel busies itself getting ready to expel the Palestinians, reinvade Lebanon, reoccupy Sinair on some pretext, and sell Leviathan gas to Europe as they continue to help isis and al nusra and to encourage the massive flood of migrants to Europe.
Pretty simple really, you just need to recognize how strong Zionist/Israel Firster influence truly is, grant that there are multiple actors and purposes that overlap, consider "who" drove the lies and propagands for Iraq, and read what the Jewish neocons wrote about remaking the middle east.
why in the fuck is the state department still so lousy with zionist neocon warmongers in the administration of the cool, left wing liberal, years after Shrub?
Deep State, nigga - Deep State.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
http://leaksource.info/2015/01/17/the-yinon-plan-greater-israel-syria-ir...
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFr4C2BPLeM
^^^ Netanyahu - messenger of Ba'al, or what?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QphxGBXiA-M
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Solving_9-11_-_The_Deception_That_Changed_T...
https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/masters-of-deception...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article179295.html
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
http://how911wasdone.com/
Zionist hands are on every major conflict in the Middle East, always pushing America to kill Muslims, so why are they always left off any list of possible suspects as to who is pulling the strings in US foreign policy?
One man's zionist is another man's rothschild operative. Why do you ask?;)
"why in the fuck is the state department still so lousy with zionist neocon warmongers in the administration of the cool, left wing liberal, years after Shrub?"
+1 for sarc over cool left wing liberal Obomber.
Perhaps because the Israel-Firsters showed Obomber the uncut JFK videos.
The Saudis are pawns, this is about building a"greater Israel".
this news is too deep for the bottom half of the class to get it. the hate muslims meme is in place. one more pearl harbor and another generation of cannon fodder is born. it is looking like the zionazis have won.
No, they are losing, that is why it is so dangerous just now. If they lose, they hang or have to run. Israel could not have enough runway parking for all the priivate jets that arrive some week.
The tipping point is nigh. Way too many Americans are discussing this for it to continue in the dark from a national political point of view.
ISIS's funding and supply and etc are the beginning of the dike leaking badly, their thumb hasn't been sufficient since the Ukraine. Vlad started looking good Ukraine time, remember?
The back history of this will be interesting, war crimes trial confessions.
Wonder how long it has been since Vlad decided to support Assad as he did? Wonder when the US knew and what reactions were due to that.
What do we expect when we have the Doofus Cia running around making Doofus decisions for a Doofus country like the USA and for what reason but to fuck another nation around again.
Rise up dear citizens because this is just a small sampling of the strange decisons made by this Doofus government.
Please don't give up your weapons because you'll need them one day.
If few give them up, we may not need them after all.
I always say, the only difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy fact, is time, time for the truth to come out.
freakin' people and politics,
you can't live with 'em and
you can't eat them. but,
you sure can see 'em coming.
It's all happening at the zoo...believe it!
These trashbags from hades will even start another world woar just to cover up the criminal evil in the bankster puppet industry of fools, and black pajama clad klowns. Same same in the last two world woars. Evil run amoke so the few profit, and the many die.
http://allnewspipeline.com/ISIS_Prepares_Main_Event_In_US.php
Only two sides in the new kind of coming world woar. Evil, or true good. Each cries it's karmic pay off. Which are you? Evil, or good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5sewfjd4fs
Everybody knows world-wide how these EVIL things operate using false flag events to further their agenda of evil hatred, lies, deception, murder, and out right lawlessness. Problem is, no one cares to stop it at this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U
The people's courts will prevail. Those who are evil will never change. Those who were righteous, have changed into evil chicken-toed lackeys. Question is, will it remain the same festering evil virus that is killing every soul on board the earth ship little by little, or will some real law enforcement show up from another planet to take care of the business of true justice on earth wielding that double-edged sword of Truth, and real Universal Justice?
The evil american babylonian govt that no longer represents the people, has been long at it and slowly preparing to go to woar against the American People to cover up the banksters planned crash, and looting of the country. The long planned meltdown may, or may not come by new years, or even worse, the evil babylonians will pull off yet another false flag event on, or around Christmas. Everybody knows this is possible and WHO will be responsible for the evil deed(s).
It is all so easy to see it all for what it is. Criminality, treason, and true evil corruption that no real law enforcement agency in any part of the world is able to do anything about. Indeed, as long as they propagate the idiocy of the 9/11 false flag attack scam that was sponsored by isreal/al-CIA-duh/etc and the us evil govt for the woar profiteers, nothing will change. They remain in a permanent self imposed state of ignorance that they actually think the rest of the world is stupid enough to do also, and stupidity to the Highest Degree is the color of the mask they ware that the entire world sees. It's just disgusting.
You talk about a ginormous waste of billions and billions of tax payer dollars being spent on the useless do nothing US CIA/world law enforcement agencies. All those trillions would be better spent giving it all to the poor and homeless of the world. One could hire third graders for quarters that better know the difference between common law and corruption to do a better job then the present supposed reputed law enforcers of these modern days. All they ALL are is a bunch of paid off accessories to more major crimes than can be listed here. It is all wicked evil and what a huge tremendous horrible waste of tax payer dollars is spent on harboring, festering, and propagating evil disguised as intelligent law enforcement.
Soterobama and his evil babylonian govt shows us all it is OK to just go out and commit mass crimes and to murder innocents because the babylonian govt deems it alright, or PC to be criminals doing evil. Nothing happens to you if you commit the crimes these criminals commit. Basically, and it's easy peasy to see, if they can do it, EVERYBODY ELSE CAN! Crime and corruption pays!!!
WHEN...the next event happens, it will ALL be president ding-a-ling soterobama's fault for not protecting the American People as he promised to do. Of course, in this corrupted evil govt, it is OK to break the laws and promises if you are the dictator. We have no real law enforcement anywhere that will got off it's arse and actually do some law enforcing. Murder and treason and high crimes against the state and American People used to be crimes. Not in the new babylonian jungle bunny govt of the usa. Nope, not any moar, and now since this is true, then it is also true for the rest of the people. Soon, it will be a free for all. All those evil things who brought this babylonian evil to the world, will be the first on many many many lists to be dispatched to the moon, Alice.
How much longer will these evil al-CIA-duh things in the world domination corporate take-over-empire continue to get away with all the crimes against the world's people, is only for the righteous among ye that finally grow a few balls, and then takes them to the people’s court to be administered to by that double-edged sword of truth and justice from lady MA AT, to know.
As soon as those crazy evil stupid babylonian al-CIA-duh fools for the money-god make a few more of their stupid false flag event moves on the people, and the balloon goes up, the entire world is coming down the line to squash these evil rothschilds and the other assorted evil things that kow-tow to, and hold up money as their god. When it falls, so shall they, for the armies of angry world peoples are awake, or Christed, and they are coming! Soon, babylon. The gettho youth ain't taking it no moar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaOuq0dPRvc
"the new babylonian jungle bunny govt of the usa." lol
Well done, Mme/Sir! +1000. Wish I could write like that.
Be mindful of the " Pigeons plotting in secrecy"
"he “conceptualized and executed one of the Agency’s most successful counterterrorism covert action operations"
We always hear this same kind of thing for government employees. Successful! He claims great success, while the historical record shows America lost in Afghanistan, and was thrown out of Iraq after years of using the world's greatest military power on tribesmen. Vietnam won independence in the face of many successful generals, and a CIA program still claimed as a success today.
How do these CIA types get to call themselves successes, when the ventures they were part of could not defeat tribesmen. Iraq and Afghanistan were abject failures costing trillions.
Yet he was SUCCESSFUL?
Perhaps their real mission was to spend trillions and prop up the MIC. If so, huge success
Jeez the guy is just trying to put together a decent resume to get some work. You know how resume's are, have a heart.
The US funding monsters and terrorists has been well documented, at the very least, since all of the BS conflicts in South America. If the "more reasonable" among us didn't see that the US was lying and engineering conflict then they either had zero access to any good information or they didn't want to see it. After that it was just pattern recognition.
Another possibility is that these reasonable ones only read one side of the story. Some authors were designated as anti-war left and so nobody who considered themselves conservative would read them. This in turn lead to a huge percentage of Americans only reading pro-war propaganda and now they are lost to reality.
The more reasonable berated and rediculed anyone that did see these FFs and now this country is screwed and it is far more than just us. There is no better way to go mainstream than to deny the most serious infractions of .gov and their collection of alphabet agencies, this tendency often goes hand in hand with pro-war bloodlust.
ISIS is the usa government with the H!b visa's & H2 visa craps! Counting the illegalls for 40yrs over the mexican border! hell who know how much came thru canada?! American born people are fucked! VOTE TRUMP, fk this shits got to stop! USA 3rd world...
Canadian passports used by criminals, spies, terroristshttp://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-passports-used-by-criminals-spies...
Ha ha, the date on the document, 1/15/15 or was that I/IS/IS. Always a bunch of smart asses, as if no mere human will ever catch on.
dup
That depends on what the meaning of IS / IS
You are being scammed, bamboozled, cheated.
Al Qaeda means the data base. Get it?
It's new brand name is ISIS, international secret intelligence service, Israeli secret intelligence service.
All data from the NSA goes direct to Israel, unfiltered.
Cui bono?
The central bank cartel, the moneychangers, led by the Rothschild clique in the City of London, and BIS. They want everything; all resources, all labour, all money.
"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." (Lord Acton, 19th century quote).
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." (Thomas Jefferson) Restore the Constitution, and keep the guns.
The guy is named "JP Morgan"? Really? And a top CIA operative supposedly puts this "real" info on LinkedIn and Facebook?
It seems like some misdirection happening here from the professionals at misdirection in Langley. Like confusing the public looking into 911 conspiracy theories with even more conspiracy theories? The real task is to figure out what they are misdirecting you from concerning IS?
CIA == Al Qaida
CIA == ISIS
CIA == ISIL
CIA == all the evil in the world
besides these spy agencies have unaudited access to unlimited money
'...But the more reasonable among us have questioned recent claims that the US intentionally created the Islamic State, a group of the same lineage as the Saudi terrorists responsible for 9/11'
Huh, Reeeally? Still peddling that odiferous pile of pooh?
It would be correct to refer to the Saudi dominated portions of the
middle eastas "Wahabistan" or "Salafistan" but not "Sunnistan".
which is insulting to the 80%-90% of Moslems who are Sunni .
...a group of the same lineage as the Saudi terrorists responsible for 9/11.
Stopped reading here.
Conspiracy theory confused with conspiracy fact, or just brain-dead fucking ignorance?
8 July 2014
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184669.html
"In 2011, Alain Juppé, then French Minister for Foreign Affairs, and his Turkish counterpart, Ahmet Davuto?lu, signed a secret treaty. We know that it included several reciprocal engagements, including that of « resolving the Kurdish question » without « damaging the integrity of Turkish territory », in other words, the creation of a pseudo-Kurdistan in Syria."
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189562.html
Israel Did 9-11.
Saudi Arabia helped.
I think Mossad was involved in the main event in NY, as well as narrative coverage/domination after the fact. The Pentagon/Shanksville (missile/no plane) likely accomplished by insiders doing their part toward the New American Century.
Of course they did.