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On Conspiracy Theories
Submitted by HardScrabbleFarmer via The Burning Platform blog,
“In many nations, rational people end up believing crazy things, including (false) conspiracy theories. Those crazy thoughts can lead to violence, including terrorism. Many terrorist acts have been fueled by false conspiracy theories, and there is a good argument that some such acts would not have occurred in the absence of such theories. The key point—and, in a way, the most puzzling and disturbing one—is that the crazy thoughts are often held by people who are not crazy at all.”
Cass Sunstein- White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs
If you don’t know who Cass Sunstein is, or what he does now would be a good time to do some research. Not only because of his position with the White House and the power that entails, but because he understands quite clearly what problems are posed by people who, in his own words are, “…neither ignorant, not ill-educated. On the contrary they can be spectacularly well informed…”
Conspiracy theories are, in short, the belief that others conspire in secret to commit criminal acts. They do, no secret there. In fact the majority of prisoners in Federal Penitentiaries are serving time not for a specific crime, but for conspiracy to commit a felony, more simply discussing their intentions with another person in secret. It must be difficult indeed to simultaneously prosecute large numbers of people for the very activity that you are assigned to debunk and then somehow explain to people that it’s dangerous to believe in them. Yes, yes, you can imagine them saying, other people do engage in conspiracies, but we never would and you’d have to be crazy to even consider it.
Point taken, Mr. Sunstein.
Prior to the advent of the Internet there were few places where people could openly engage in any discussion of the misgivings they had about certain events. Mailing lists, fringe publications, but no open forum for expressing doubt and discovering the fundamental and underlying reasons behind such thoughts. Mr. Sunstein has often argued that the reason most people believe in conspiracy theories is because it makes them feel safe, a notion that is as hard to believe as the one that says the government would never engage in a conspiracy. If anything, the dawning realization that those entrusted to care for and protect you are engaged in a pattern of behaviors that are not only dangerous, but wantonly destructive to the very values and beliefs we hold most dear. To believe in a conspiracy committed by a government that is powerful, that is actively spying on it’s own people without legal justification and that appears immune to the law is not reassuring or comforting, it is terrifying. It is also, based on what we actually know for a fact, common sense
Let’s begin by covering a few basics-
Operation Northwoods
In 1962 the Department of Defense acting in cooperation with the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a paper detailing covert operation by either the CIA or other Government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against innocent American civilians, specifically to either hijack US commercial aircraft, shoot down commercial aircraft, attacks and kill US soldiers at Guantanamo or an attack on the Organization of American States with the intent of blaming the actions on Cuba in order to destabilize or overturn the government. These plans were signed and submitted by a host of top ranking US Military officials including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Lemnitzer and submitted to the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara who would later play a large role in the US war in Viet Nam.
None of the people involved in the research, planning, drafting or submission of this authorized government conspiracy was ever charged with a crime or held accountable. In fact the chief defense has always been that it was rejected by then President John F Kennedy, rendering further discussion null and void. Think about it for a moment and decide for yourself what the implications of such a plan mean for people who are, in the words of Cass Sunstein, spectacularly well informed, i.e conspiracy theorists. The government of the United States of America, using top secret clearance and taxpayer dollars actively plotted to murder innocent Americans in acts of terror in order to instigate a war on false grounds. To know this, according to the leading expert on conspiracy theories, makes us feel safer.
Incontrovertible proof that the government does in fact engage in criminal conspiracies that target innocent civilians in order to promote government sanctioned programs or military actions while it’s criminal participants escape justice has now been established as a fact, not a theory. Why this important piece of American history is unknown to most people is not puzzling, it is because it has been deliberately pushed off to the side, dismissed as irrelevant or pointless because it didn’t happen. Conspiracy theories do not require action, however, only the conspiracy.
One of the greatest issues the Government has in dealing with the conspiracies currently circulating is the ease with which the Internet allows them to propagate. While the vast majority of Americans have never heard of the Gulf of Tonkin, quite a few have heard the term “9/11 was an inside job” or know that something is not quite right about Sandy Hook. The ubiquitous nature of cell phone cameras has given people the ability to see for themselves without having to look through the lens of the MSM and depend upon sanitized news coverage to inform them of the details of various events taking place around the troubled world. The time when the government was kept in check by the 5th estate has long ago ceased to restrain them. The news organizations have become a tool of the establishment rather than a check on their power. The only option left is for either whistle blowers to come forward or citizen journalists to investigate on their own time and dime.
The MSM
Proof TV Media 100% Fake – Fake/Green Screen Compilation...
The Illusion of the Mainstream Media (MSM). #BreakTheIllusion
The sheer number of poorly faked news stories gives rise to the legitimate question, how many fake stories were done well? Why would any news organization feel that it is necessary to use false coverage to report actual news? It makes no sense to falsify something in order to tell the truth, so something else must be in play. The participants and producers are clearly aware of what they are doing when they use props or green screens, and since they are doing it without informing the viewing public it wouldn’t be unfair to call it a conspiracy. The more often these events are uncovered the less trust anyone feels in the institutions and representatives that commit these frauds on an unsuspecting population. Whether it is for altruistic or evil ends is irrelevant, the duplicity is it’s own crime and since it is done in secret, involving multiple parties we are left with little room to consider it as anything other than a conspiracy. That isn’t a theory, it’s a fact.
We live in an era that seems to be on the cutting edge of human civilization due to the proliferation of technically sophisticated gadgetry, but in many ways were are as ignorant and intellectually shallow as we have ever been, pacified by our good fortune, stable diets and creature comforts, bereft of the intellectual curiosity that has been the hallmark of cultures at their zenith. Grand sounding memes have been the trademark of great cultures, from Pax Romana to Rule Britannia. They are utilized to galvanize a people or a nation and lead them to greater heights and achievements or they serve as an epitaph on the gravestones of Empires, like Blood and Soil or Liberte’, Egalite’, Fraternite’. Numerous cultures experience a tumultuous birth, a meteoric rise and blossoming and slowly and inexorably decline into decadence and degeneracy.
Those who sit at the top of an empire in decline often employ the same tactics that their predecessors have used throughout history in order to remain in power; suppression of dissent, violent retaliation against those who resist, open condemnation of those who are often the most stalwart supporters of the earlier forms of the same government and eventually the emptying of the treasury and plundering of resources while the masses suffer. The employ various techniques of coercion and dependency as well as draconian measures in security and intelligence. One of the hallmarks of a failing regime is the way they turn a blind eye to the flagrant criminality of those at the top while increasingly stifling even the mildest forms of dissent at the bottom. Employing men like Cass Sunstein to float the idea that conspiracy theories are the seedbed of violent terrorist cells is only the beginning.
Many people believe that the restriction on free speech, the rise of the PC movement, the talk of microaggressions and safe spaces are about protecting marginalized minorities when in fact they are nothing more than tools used to entrench the positions of power, to eliminate resistance to their aims and objectives and to silence, once and for all every voice that fails to sing in the chorus of the State. The reason men like Cass Sunstein are employed by the State is because the veil has begun to fall. When people begin to question the veracity of the government, the next step, logically, is to question the legitimacy of the institutions that keep it in power. It is not a safe or reassuring thing to believe that your government is capable of plotting to kill you or those you love for it’s own ends, it is frightening, and demoralizing. It is also the first step in reclaiming our sovereignty. Just as no rational person would want to remain in a relationship with someone who repeatedly lies and cheats, neither would they be expected to offer allegiance to a State that would do worse.
Few people live in the natural world, experiencing the outdoors daily through all weather, dealing with real issues of life and death, the cycles of the seasons, the endless tasks associated with meeting our most fundamental needs, from feeding ourselves to teaching our own children the values and lessons that resonate with how we wish to live. For the rest of our population there is endless hours of mindless distraction, inhumane workplaces in unnatural environments far removed from the basic needs of life. We spend more time with people we hardly know than the ones we love the most, we eat food that we have no connection with and that fails to nourish, we depend more and more on a government that is further and further away from us, both in distance and in understanding, in short we have become disconnected from our own lives. Perhaps the first step in rectifying our situation is to begin to look at the world not as it could be, but how it is. To see things for what they are, to discard the falsehoods, no matter how pleasant they may seem in order to embrace the truth regardless of how painful it may be. And that’s not a theory, that’s a reality.
In closing I offer a speech filled with optimism in the face of desperation, hope in a time of bitter loss, and an appeal to the better part in all of us that calls out to be heard in times like these.
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love?
Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain.
Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power.
Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry
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Only the truly desperate or stoically determined can overcome their addiction to the comforting illusion. None of us believe the entire charade, just those parts that best fits our customized narrative. The Big Lie is that we all know its a lie....except those parts we wish to be the truth. This especially applies to those of us who claim to be awake.
Yes the msm is the propaganda machine of choice used by all bankrupt governments, but as Clinton said 'we are losing the info war'......people are starting to wake up to the BS they churn out!
Unfortunately, The agenda rolls on......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...
There have been countless undisputed examples throughout American history that if brought up before and even for years after the fact would have been considered what we now call conspiracy theories. Here are a few examples that stuck out to me:
Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead.
The antidote to every conspiracy.
Oh yeah? Properly inflate your balls and get back to me.
Look, I'm not a demon. I don't even wish to disabuse you of your silly fairy tale, but please!
What sort of trauma have you experienced that makes it possible for you (and many more) to believe in talking shrubbery and other such supernatural bullshit?
The beauty, majesty and mystery of actual, observable Nature is more than sufficent evidence for me to accept the existence of Powers greater than myself.
Why do you need more? I just want to know.
When you order food in a restaurant do you believe there is a cook?
Yes I do. This is because I have physical evidence of his/her work in front of me and I can walk into the kitchen and shake his/her hand.
Shitty analogy, btw.
This one is better-
Imagine that you completely dis-assembled a Tissot, and placed its constituent parts in a Ball Jar. Put the lid on it, and start shaking it.
How long would you need to shake that jar until it once again became a functional timepiece?
These fuckers are just hiring out the Hollywood boys that advertise their latest talents with every movie release.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens! Fuck me!
I may be the only MOFO alive that has never seen a Star Wars movie- I didn't 'get it' back then, and I don't 'get it' now.
Hunger Games on the other hand, seems relevant.
Peanut butter, mostly!
P.S. does your cooking analogy allow the entry of the Flying Spaghetti Monster into this "discussion?"
Ace every knee will bow. If you acknow;ledge demons, why not Jesus Christ?
I no longer expect any truth in this world.......
The only truth is that which you make with your own two hands.
This has all been distilled to a point where many now comprehend this:
Again...
And
Again..
And
Again.
Finem respice.
Time for the biggest truth commission in history.
I remember the East German citizens storming the headquarters of the STASI, taking every scrap of paper in that building. All those 'classified secrets' of what the government had been doing to the people out in the open for at least a few brief moments.
All I thought was -the truth shall set you free.
Veritas liberabit vos
With an obvious sense of irony, guess what the motto of the Clandestine Idiots and Assrags is.
All comes rather easy when you start with the impossible premise of perpetual growth on a finite planet. That belief allows you to distort reality, create Ponzi systems. We're all in on it so we cannot say anything- the ultimate Prisoners' Dilemma!
Humans are deceptive. It's survival. We're NOT going to risk it by calling it like it is.
Cass Sunstein is a traitor to the constitution and the republic.
How can you not mention 9/11? Or Gulf of Tonkin? Or Pearl Harbor?
Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job
Man who blew the whistle on Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad
Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, Francesco Cossiga, has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy’s most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.
Cossiga was elected President of Italian Senate in July 1983 before being winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.
Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed – an honest politician – and led the country for seven years until April 1992.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ex-italian-president-intel-agencies-know-9-...
David Ray Griffin on Sunstein:
Former Chicago and Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, who in 2009 was appointed by President Barack Obama to direct an important executive branch office, had in 2008 co-authored an article containing a plan for the government to prevent the spread of anti-government "conspiracy theories." Arguing that such theories are believed only by groups suffering from "informational isolation," he advocated the use of anonymous government agents to engage in "cognitive infiltration" of these groups in order to introduce "cognitive diversity," with the aim of breaking them up.
Noting that Sunstein's proposal has evoked condemnations from across the political spectrum--not least because it, being similar to the FBI's COINTELPRO of the 1960s, would be illegal--David Ray Griffin focuses on the fact that Sunstein's primary target is the conspiracy theory advocated by the 9/11 Truth Movement. Examining Sunstein's charge that this theory is both "harmful" and "demonstrably false," Griffin uses both satire and overwhelming evidence to show that this twofold charge applies instead to what Sunstein calls "the true conspiracy theory" about 9/11-namely, the "theory that Al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11."
http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Infiltration-Appointees-Undermine-Conspi...
Karl Denninger posted this howler using a video of some guy in his garage with a forge to debunk 911 truthers. Not very convincing, but he sometimes posts things like this so he can ban any members who disagree with him.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230974
Denninger is a total idiot if he believes that ridiculous, worthless video
if you stopped at word #5 it would have been more than adequate for pinpoint accuracy
Or?
its a trap?
300 degrees difference?
Big fucking difference!
Such bullshit from Dennigger has him again FAILING ... just like JIM QUINN the 9/11 Litmus Test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O4LE0eTYc
Another MORON!
Go look up a temperature color chart for steal. Its nearly white hot in the video. Roughly 2000 f. So his margine for error is nearer to 400 f. or 25%. Heat up a 1 inch plate 12x12 with a 1600 f flame. Scale matters.
His proof is BS without an actual temp reading. He even admits its a hotter temp than jet fuel burns at. If that guy is a blacksmith he knows the temp chart by hart and could have waited until it was cherrie red. All he had to do was pull it out at the start of the video. Run his line until the temp was correct then do the test. But no and he took no temp readings.Why?
So do the test right. Then explain building #7.
This sixth-grade-level demonstration that structural steel loses strength at 1,800°F does nothing to address the presence of molten metal at Ground Zero. If anything, he proves that the fires in the World Trade Center could not have generated the molten metal that witnesses saw. What did? The only plausible explanation is thermite, an incendiary that can be used to cut through structural steel.
Putting aside the molten metal, the demonstration is wholly irrelevant for the simple reason that the fires in the World Trade Center could not have heated the structure anywhere near as high as the 1,800°F to which he heated his piece of steel using a furnace.
Jet fuel fires reach temperatures of around 1,500°F only under optimal conditions.
In open air conditions like the WTC buildings, they burn at around 600°F.
Even according to the government agency that investigated the disaster, there is no evidence that any of the steel was heated to the point where it would lose its strength.
There have been literally hundreds of hotter, larger, longer-lasting fires in steel-frame high-rises over the last century, and never has one caused the total collapse of a building. Tye’s simplistic logic implies that many of these infernos should have led to a total collapse. Of course, none has — and that also goes for the three steel-frame high-rises that were destroyed on 9/11.
That this YouTube video has become an overnight sensation testifies to the alarming lack of journalistic rigor and scientific acumen with which the media and Dennigger has approached the debate surrounding the World Trade Center destruction on 9/11 — and to the rampant misinformation that has followed.
Anyone who thinks there might be some validity to this confused science experiment should visit AE911Truth.org and to read their most recent publication, Beyond Misinformation: What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7, for real expert analysis of the evidence.
All you really need to say is nanothermite is not indigenous to manhatten.
"All you really need to say is nanothermite is not indigenous to manhatten."
There was no nano thermite.
The debunker (Over 6 million views? Really?) is debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3054354191&featur...
Also, Denninger admitted in a later comment he only posted this to lure members who don't buy the party line about 911 so he could ban them. Very few posters from ZH could survive having a membership on market-ticker for even a week. Long live ZeroHedge.
Somehow I have a hunch there is more here than meets the eye.
"Jet fuel fires reach temperatures of around 1,500°F only under optimal conditions.
In open air conditions like the WTC buildings, they burn at around 600°F."
Doesn't really matter. Office combustibles were the real problem. That is why fire retardant is sprayed on structural steel. Jet fuel is seldom a factor in any office building fire.
Flames were floor to ceiling and beyond, pouring out the windows. That was a hot fire.
"There have been literally hundreds of hotter, larger, longer-lasting fires in steel-frame high-rises over the last century, and never has one caused the total collapse of a building."
None of those buildings were constructed the way the Towers were, a point that is unscientifically ignored by the critics.
The Windsor Tower had a partial collapse, which would have become a total collapse, had it been totally constructed in the manner of the floors that collapsed.
The totally out of control fires were what caused the Towers to collapse.
"That this YouTube video has become an overnight sensation testifies to the alarming lack of journalistic rigor and scientific acumen with which the media and Dennigger has approached the debate surrounding the World Trade Center destruction"
You make me laugh.
"You make me laugh."
That's odd, since you're the clown here.
"You make me laugh."
"That's odd, since you're the clown here."
The clowns want people to falsely believe the Towers were demoed.
"This sixth-grade-level demonstration that structural steel loses strength at 1,800°F does nothing to address the presence of molten metal at Ground Zero. If anything, he proves that the fires in the World Trade Center could not have generated the molten metal that witnesses saw. What did? The only plausible explanation is thermite, an incendiary that can be used to cut through structural steel."
Thermite is in no way a plausable explanation for molten metal- of which there is no video or pictures of in the debris.
A metal cutting torch does not produce molten metal in any material amount, thus thermite would not have produced any material amount, either.
Is the guy in the video the same guy that used to make vids with him bashing up old computer monitors in his shed while screaming about the administration and the 2008 crash?
You're thinking of Kevin Rowland, also known as Wall Street Pro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67X1K9pDOw
Actually, it was very convincing science.
Fire weakens structual steel. Fire raged out of control in both Towers.
Both coillapsed as a result.
Those were oxygen starved fires fed by paper and office furnishings. The core columns were a hell of a lot thicker than steel bars the size of rebar. Not to mention they were encased in concrete as per building codes. If you think this video was convincing science, your handlers didn't prepare you very well to play with the adults here who are tired of bullshit like yours.
"Those were oxygen starved fires fed by paper and office furnishings."
The fires were not oxygen starved. The flames were floor to ceiling.
"The core columns were a hell of a lot thicker than steel bars the size of rebar."
Scientifically irrelavent. The fire was hot and it negatively affected the structural steel to the point that it lost enough strength for there to be a catastrophic failure within the fire zone.
"If you think this video was convincing science, your handlers didn't prepare you very well to play with the adults here who are tired of bullshit like yours."
You have a vivid unscientific imagination.
OK Mr. Science, you've done yourself in by specifying the fire zone. How did office fires, which were burning with an orange flame and producing a lot of smoke and only on the upper floors, compromise the lower parts of the structure where the core columns were even thicker? Your level of scientific expertise ends at operating a microwave oven and you probably screw the pooch with that too.
Troll begone. You're too stupid to waste any more time on.
"OK Mr. Science, you've done yourself in by specifying the fire zone"
No, the fake conspiracy science has done itself in.
"How did office fires, which were burning with an orange flame and producing a lot of smoke and only on the upper floors, compromise the lower parts of the structure where the core columns were even thicker?"
The orange flames were hot, floor to ceiling ferocious flames. Fires do produce smoke. Fire retardant is sprayed on structural steel because office fires can cause structural steel to FAIL. Otherwise they wouldn't bother with the expense of spraying it. Pretending that the color of smoke and fire makes impossible for steel to fail is disproven by the requirement of fire retardant to protect the steel from orange flames produced by office fires.
The columns may have been thicker below the fire zone, but the flanges that connected the floors to the columns were not. Tons of falling debris has a lot of kinetic energy. The floors were stripped of their connections to the columns.
The top 15 floors of One World Trade fell down upon the remaining 95. Each floor collapsing below it added to the debris raining down on each remaining floor. Cross members to core columns would have been taken out.
"Your level of scientific expertise ends at operating a microwave oven and you probably screw the pooch with that too.
Troll begone. You're too stupid to waste any more time on."
I can see your level of scientific knowlege is confined to name calling, since you can't refute anything i said.
Since you get paid by the post, you just continue to embarrass yourself for a few more shekels.
"Since you get paid by the post, you just continue to embarrass yourself for a few more shekels."
I see your scientific knowlege consists of false imaginations, considering you couldn't refute a word i said.
The overwhelming majority of the conspiracy theories are crazy and baseless. They are so non-sensical that the they really only appeal as an emotional salve to those who can't compete in the real world.
So don't be surprised when successful peiople think you're a whackjob.
lol. thanks for proving once and for all to the whole internet your either a troll.. or fucking moron
he is one of the "successful peiople"
"successful people" hmnn you mean thieves that go along?
No offence to those that actually produce something and still care about their employees.
My neighbor who is a builder is adding an addition during these slow times.
Keeping his guys busy.
Hats off to him.
Not mutually exclusive and maybe a prerequisite.
Not so fast. The guy makes a valid point. If I can't jam the signal, then the next best thing is to drown it out in superfluous noise.
Tell me that isn't happening today on the net, just as the US used to jam Radio Moscow back in the day.
For that matter, you don't even need an active disinformation campaign, except in special cases. There are enough nut-jobs out there to sufficiently muddy up the waters, now that just about anyone can post to the net.
Final point: How would I know if a particular conspiracy theory was true or false? What method would I use to determine its validity, given that I'm further from the alleged facts that the person purporting to know them? In other words, why should I trust you any more than I trust the government?
People on this site claim to be critical thinkers, but apart from a few individuals, I don't really see that. What I see are people driven by their own willingness to believe, just like that poster Fox Mulder had on his office wall.
anything people don't have a sense of humor about is a sore point that should be investigated further
But don't you have the same quandry here?
How would you know if your theory about ZH'ers was true or false? What method would you use to determine its validity, given that you're further from the alleged facts that the person purporting to know them?
"How would you know if your theory about ZH'ers was true or false? What method would you use to determine its validity"
Statistical analysis!
Really, he's correct. Sorry to say. Very few people here (let alone anywhere else*) understand that you cannot have perpetual growth on a finite planet. MOST "capitalist" "thinkers" rabidly reject the very notion because they have no answer how their pet economic theory could operate with a limited horizon, so instead of them having no answer, which I think is acceptable (because I too have no "answer" [further, anyone who thinks they do is dangerous]), they totally refute the notion of limited growth due to our finite planet even though they can turn around and use the same basic math of limits to condemn attempts to perpetually grow money (or the govt).
No, most only regurgitate what their favorite talking heads are clamoring about. LOTS of Party Pussy shit by many that pretend to be above party politics: fucking trolls.
It's not complicated. Yet, almost no one gets it. Hardly a sign that there's critical thinking going on, well, in the context that the thinking is actually backed by intelligence (rather than some regurgitation of shit that is only to sound good).
* I came to hang out here at ZH because I thought that people that understood that continued money printing and expansion of govt can't go on forever because it's no more than a Ponzi, that these same people would get it that you cannot have perpetual growth on a finite planet and that it's this core FALSE premise that is at the heart of all our problems. If you can't understand the problem then stop trying to offer solutions! (yet we have all these "solutions" that are certain failures if operating with the perpetual growth on a finite planet meme.)
"How would you know if your theory about ZH'ers was true or false?"
By the amount of skepticism they bring to the table for a start. Anyone posting in support of a conspiracy theory is in the same position as someone claiming the existence of God. The burden of proof is upon them, not me.
Besides, I have eyes. I see who piles on and who stands back, even in the face of popular opinion. Not much different here than in the outside world in that regard.
Of course I'm only stating an opinion here, not presenting a fact.
I hope the two of you are a hasbara team, because it would be elegant.
No, your argument is wrong. He said :
The overwhelming majority of the conspiracy theories are crazy and baseless. They are so non-sensical that the they really only appeal as an emotional salve to those who can't compete in the real world.
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Then you say 'He makes a valid point; and proceed to make good comments, then diss the 'critical thinkers' as 'people driven by their own willingness to believe'.
Elegant, turely. But wrong and terrible logic and you din't do more than make the noise you refer to. But very elegant noise, I was entertained.
"I hope the two of you are a hasbara team..."
He may be. I'm strictly Fisher-Price.
Your vision of the comments assumes you have read every comment every made. How many times can one person say the same thing. What day will you not read ZH and miss an insightful comment reflecting deep consideration in their search for wisdom.
The bottom line is a scam of epic proportions has been pulled off and their approach was no-holds barred. First act of any invading army is to disrupt communication and spread propaganda. Secretive group who have made an oath to die before turning on their members surely have witnessed one and another commit murder to hold that much power over a member in a secret club of very wealthy, now 2nd and 3rd generation wealth, humility washed away long ago, empathy no where to be found. These people are killers.
This somebody's movie and we are in it. (Said Rocky, a guy I never met but heard of). How can we say what is going on? The script is written and rewritten but their only goal is disarming American, turning them into penniless and reliant, and processed like cattle being culled. This is genocide. Alienating the world via military maneuvers leading to massive civilian deaths, loss and suffering was another goal. HE DID IT.
Oh these people are as sneaky as can be. It's a pathological mind, refined to perfection, narcissistic homicidal maniacs who dreamed up a Conquer The World in the shelter of their great houses. Alcoholic, shopaholics, sexual deviance, attempting to gain full control of every aspect of the world's commodities, including Human Resources, is a ticket for disaster. Picture of their rotting on the end of a rope while the cities and towns burn during looting, complete collapse and an abrupt collapse into lawlessness. Lights are going to go out, and people are going to panic, and then, they go outside and straight to the man in charge, the police, the politicians, they gather and feed on their desperation and their need to straighten this out, or make those responsible pay. The Rothschilds own 44 castles and do not sustain a home in the USA. The Bankers are the enemy of this world. The agitators and paid agents are pleased with the naivete of the US audience. That ends when the food runs out. It's a slam dunk.
All is fair in love and war. You need to go search for your dream web site and save the psychological evaluation to the experts.
Drug and exploit.
The Opium Wars - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eRvKKDy6nM
ebear, your valid point has been given the acroynm MUD.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-28/cyber-attacks-are-new-cold-war
Cyber-Attacks Are The New Cold War
"The warfare ideology today is ‘Multilateral Unconstrained Disruption’ (MUD).
This unrestrictive warfare is meant to disrupt societal functioning; to ‘poison’ information to elevate distrust of all computer information."
Backing up lies with violence with technologies trillions of times more powerful and capable is the manifestation of the oxymoronic "scientific dictatorship," which is actually as profoundly unscientific about itself as it can possibly be. Thousands of years of the history of warfare whose successes were based on deceits and treacheries have driven those kinds of successes to become runaway criminal insanities, which automatically become more psychotic the more socially successful those systems of being able to back up lies with violence become.
Generation after generation, the social successfulness of operating systems of organized lies and robberies have driven too many of the people doing that to be extreme manifestations of professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. The ruling classes are increasingly psychotic psychopaths, while those they rule over tend to more and more act like Zombie Sheeple. As far as I can tell from his public performances, Cass Sunstein IS ONE OF THE SUPERLATIVE PROFESSIONAL HYPOCRITES.
IRONIES ARE AMUSING that it has been demonstrated by declassified CIA documents that they used their mass media assets in order to popularize the pejorative use of the phrase "conspiracy theory" in order to deliberately discredit those who did not believe the official story regarding the assassination of President Kennedy.
E.g., see:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge
In 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... to Attack Anyone Who Challenges the "Official" Narrative
Similarly:
http://www.thrivemovement.com/news-flash-cia-invents-conspiracy-theory.blog
And:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/12/313399/conspiracy-theorists-vs-govt-dupes/
"Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events. ... the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority. ... In short, a study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it."
The book Conspiracy Theory in America by political scientist Lance deHaven-Smith, published by the University of Texas Press, explains why people don’t like being called “conspiracy theorists”:
“The CIA’s campaign to popularize the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and make conspiracy belief a target of ridicule and hostility must be credited, unfortunately, with being one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”
That campaign, OF COURSE, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA was barred from all domestic activities, yet some factions of the CIA routinely break the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations. That makes more historical sense, after one looks into the history of the CIA being created by various Wall Street lawyers, after the Second World War, since almost EVERYTHING happening in American politics can traced back to the ways that the international bankers captured control over the public government of the USA, through their Deep State Shadow Government persistently applying every possible method of organized crime through the political processes, both legally and illegally, to result in the runaway vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS.
Psychologist Laurie Manwell of the University of Guelph agrees that the CIA-designed “conspiracy theory” label impedes cognitive function. She points out, in an article published in American Behavioral Scientist (2010), that anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly about such apparent state crimes against democracy as 9/11 due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing belief.
University of Buffalo professor Steven Hoffman adds that anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” - that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.
Professors Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State University, in a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion,” wrote:
“If I call you a conspiracy theorist, it matters little whether you have actually claimed that a conspiracy exists or whether you have simply raised an issue that I would rather avoid … By labeling you, I strategically exclude you from the sphere where public speech, debate, and conflict occur.”
THOSE PUBLIC SPACES DOMINATED BY THE MASS MEDIA, (AS WELL AS THE CURRENTLY DOMINATE POLITICIANS THAT OPERATE WITHIN THOSE PUBLIC SPACES), ARE MORE AND MORE SPLITTING APART FROM THE ALTERNATIVE NEWS ...
THAT IS ILLUSTRATED BY THE PATTERNS OF COMMENTS AND VOTES UPON THOSE COMMENTS WHICH ONE CAN OBSERVE ON THE ZERO HEDGE WEB SITE!
Nice summary RM!
"your"?
Actually?
It does matter.
Think about it.
Sorry. Without a common language how in the fuck do you suppose we might most effectively (and efficiently communicate)?
That just reminded me of a possible new "conspiracy theory"....What if we destroyed the meaning of "what IS IS"?
Now that would be some conspiracy eh?
Speaking of effective (and efficient) communication, you have a parenthesis in the wrong place.
HTH
"lol. thanks for proving once and for all to the whole internet your either a troll.. or fucking moron"
He is absolutely correct, which is why you obviously can't rebut a word of what he said and resort to name calling.
yovatti...1 week 1 day...lol !
Everything you ever need to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.
https://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/
Mmmmm...emotional salve. Where do I get some?
Do you mean successful spellers like yourself?
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/was-trump-annointed/
I think the deceptions are continuous and layered deeply.
The anti-Muslim propaganda campaign has been very successful, habara push the meme continuously and hard.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/avoiding-group-think/
If they allow peace, they hang.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/the-next-nuremberg-trials/
9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America.
Even still, Islam is every bit as much a threat as they claim.
You cannot support that. Where are the divisions? Where are the advanced weapons? The manufacturing?
Terrorsts are a serious inconvenience, not an existential threat. Countries do not die from terrorist, tho they can die from the over-reaction or terrorists-as-excuse-for-a-coup, like the Israeli-Neocons are trying to do to the US.
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America.
Sunstein is s dangerous man, but that's just my opinion, I can still have an opinion can't I ?
As long as I keep it to myself
Sunstein's view in effect casts rights as mere means to the ends of whatever sector most fully controls the state as "desirable", amounting in effect to neo-McCarthyist rearrogation of free speech from the realm of inalienable right to state-awarded privilege, earning him severe criticisms (see below); one commenter observed, "...Sunstein is the lead author of a 2009 article, published in the Journal of Political Philosophy, that is so riddled with contradictions, lapses in logic, non-sequiturs, and other apparent absurdities--including the open advocacy of illegal acts by government officials, and the suggestion that it may one day be necessary to repeal the First Amendment and ban 'conspiracy theories'--that it would likely flunk its author out of Political Philosophy 101
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein
Yes, the Zionist created, protected, and supported Sunni theocracy states of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states are HUGE threats, as are the terror cells run out of mosques they have funded in the west. The Shias seem to be able to get along well with the west on the other hand.
But the GRANDADDY of all threats to the World are the Zionists, the Central Bankers, and most of all the Zionists who are bankers.
As they claim in their outstanding public relations videos? Mmmm hmmmm, because all terrorists really want is to relate to the public.
spam
Much is a lie and it's increasing.
Our duty is to review everything.
Then we will have the rock of truth under our feet,
Then, and only then, we will know what to do.
True, I was confused. Will try to be more careful.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/19/a-third-prediction/
A new thought about what happens next.
Everything is planned
I refuse to participate in any of it.
I refuse to hurt any human being.
I will sacrifice myself just for the whole planet to get rid of the secret societies the govts the control systems on this planet because this is not what we are. It is not true.
The secret knowledge must be taught to everyone on the planet, not one person should be hidden from this.
If they wish to not want to participate in learning the knowledge then that is their will and who am I to control that.
That is not my choice but theirs only.
Anything to make everyone happy.
Everyones wills must be satisfied on the planet.
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0BFZXf1sA
http://www.manlyphall.org/text/the-lost-keys-of-freemasonry/chapter-iv-t...
The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion, which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.
>>I refuse to hurt any human being.
Then you have already lost, because they can–and already will–commit genocide on YOU to get their way.
Now stand aside and let real men save the world.
meme arrows on zero hedge? What in the fuck?
So
You want to die, but the corporations
and politicians
and secret societies will still survive??
They are not fighting for you.
Why the fuck would you die to be a slave?
"meme arrows"?
you must be very young or very technologically backwards... those are the original indicators of a threaded conversation back in the days when we didn't have these fancy graphical user interfaces that allowed any idiot with a PC to chime in
oh, those were the days
Only place I see them is on 4chan and their picture is from 4chan too.
What the fuck is this shit fucking bots.
I agree with him more than you. "Real men" are how we got here.
I will defend myself and my family and my neighbors. I will not attack anyone. And I will NOT hate, as that gives people a lever to use me against my interests.
Israeli-Neocon's major success is the amount of hate they have induced in so many people.
So much of what you say is right but then you seem to wrap up every post with a hard left turn towards Stupidville and blame everything in the world on Israelis or Jews. It's like you have a built-in circuit breaker that as soon as you get close to a truth, it kicks in and starts screaming "jooooo joooo joooo!!"
You NEVER hear me say 'Jew'. I do my very best to be clear and precise. The country is Israel, whose President gave an address to our Congress in which he was giving standing ovations 2x times.
Unusual power for any nation 1/50 the size, it seems to me.
Israeli citizens control enormous power in the US of A, that is beyond dispute. And they have strong links with a group here in the US known as 'neocons'.
Thus, as those are the exact political group who designed, planned and performed 9/11, the false flag operation against the citizens of the US, I label them 'Israel-Neocon'.
Descriptive, I thought. Concise, meaningful.
OK?
And, because they did 9/11, a vastly criminal treasonous act that continues and can only end in a dictatorship, as that is the only state of power that will keep their heads on their shoulders, I label them an existential threat to the US of A, my country.
Legiimate, I thought.
OK?
Indeed, there are Jews involved, and their social alliances undoubtedly make many of these actions possible. But that is inconsequential, as all peoples do exactly such social contacts and those social contacts may other things possible. As religion and ethnic-social contacts are not distinguishing, I do not single them out for comment.
But the country, that distingishes. The political group, that distiniguishes.
OK?
Left turn? I hope I never fit into your simple categories.
I don't see how you can make any case that 9/11 was Israeli in origin when overwhelming evidence, including the 28 pages the Bush admin desperately wanted suppressed, point to the Saudis.
I also don't see how you can blame Israel for acting in its own interests any more than Russia or China or Iran or any other country can be blamed for doing the same. Everyone should act in their own best interests, that's normal and healthy behavior. That's why Putin is admired so much outside of Russia.
Your fingers should properly be pointed at the leaders of your own government who perpetrate the real evils onto you, ones that dwarf any single act that could possibly be done; and the Saudis and the Bush family, if you simply can't drop your obsession with 9/11.
If you can't figure out why, you haven't studied the events surrounding the event well enough and ought to go back to study more, this time without a culprit pre-convicted.
Your absolute refusal to hold the Saudis responsible for anything they do is extremely suspect, by the way. Stands out like a neon sign at midnight. I wonder why you give them such a pass, when everything that you point the finger at Israel for ends up working much better for the Saudis than for anyone else. And the Saudis are every bit as wrapped up in buying your for-sale politicians as anyone else.
No, the overwhelming evidence is, as I am sure you are aware, is that the job was done the the CIA and the Mossad, with Saudis and subsdiary partners and suppliers of patsies.
'Dancing Israelis' is one of the bits of evidence, but the newest info I saw that I thought ultra-credible was the woman Roth, a retired stewardess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP95oSoOFk
She has worked out the airfield where they landed the plane and killed everyone. 250 or so passengers. Did you know they had found the planes?
Russia is not, since Chechnya, doing wars of aggression. Indeed Russia is acting for their national interest. A difference many Americans seem to find significant is that he is honest about his thinking and intentions. We Americans don't see that much.
So means and methods ==> classes of side-effects. Our coup-leaders have chosen means and methods that guarantee more terrorism far into the future. Israeli-Neocons need the chaos to prevent our noticing 9/11 as a False Flag operation as a political event. That must be soon, so many people talking like this on the net and across the table at Starbucks. People are ready, they listen when I say watching a video from ARchiectes and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is the most important thing than do with their next hour of spare time, and to make the time.
The tipping point is nigh. You do understand tipping points, system states?
I do so point fingers. I can change it to Neocon-Israelis, if you think that more accurate?
Neocon-Israelis are the existential threat to America.
And finally, we get to your goal "Drop my obsession with 9/11". Obsession is too strong a word. You Neocon-Israelis (doesn't ring, it seems to me) better hope I don't get obsessed.
No, I don't think those 28 pages are particular important. They will tell us how much the Saudis knew ahead of time perhaps, but we don't need that evidence to know who is guilty.
I did not in any sense 'pre-convict'. In fact, I came to that conclusion rather recently.
And tell us your interest, your anxiety about my continuing to hammer this theme?
I am on the subject, btw, because it is indeed the only problem Americans should be concerned about. The Constitution didn't die, it has been systematically killed by our politicians, largely influenced by money. Very much of that money is wielded by AIPAC, and it has resulted in a neutered Congress and the bureaucracy and admin out of control, and the Deep State having a clear field to play.
Our politicians are bought, the $ and power are AIPAC. Saudis are strong allies of Israel's, are they not. Maybe those 28 pages show that, and that is the big secret?
Two can play the game of "let's suppose". I like imagination games, let's play.
So when you kill the people who you disagree with, the act required to accomplish that task will have been of what nature besides hate?
Genuine, legitimate Conservatism has always been defeated on a Collective timeline. Human beings are by creation tribal.
So called Progressives invariably are human beings who have been manipulated into useful idiot status by the State.
Centralization of authority/control/lawlessness/putrid corruption.....
The globalist have essentially already won.
'America' as you once thought it was????
Isn't.
The so called 'constitution' is like a tampon for former bruce jenner.
Interesting times...
Just get rid the of Dual citizens status. Allowing citizens of other nations take office and become a "Law Maker" is a coup. To think otherwise is ridiculous but it gets worse!
"U.S. law allows you to keep foreign citizenships even after you naturalize as a U.S. citizen. So you can become a U.S. citizen and keep your Canadian and Israeli citizenships. You can carry three passports.
That's true despite the fact that the U.S. naturalization oath requires you to renounce all foreign citizenships. Each country where you already hold citizenship has the right to decide whether to accept the renunciation or let you keep your citizenship in that country. Canada and Israel are two of the many countries that disregard the renunciation in the U.S. naturalization oath. Readers interested in knowing whether their country allows dual or multiple citizenship should contact their country's consulate."
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2003-11-02/community/0310300697_1_citiz...
Commie Cass says, "Conspiracy theories are, in short, the belief that others conspire in secret to commit criminal acts."
He's only looking at it from his perspective. Conspiracy theories are also ideas expressed and exchanged by people who don't believe the explanations offered by the government and the media concerning some major event, and who dare to propose others.
"Conspiracy theories are, in short, the belief that others conspire in secret to commit criminal acts"
It is self evidently true that no sane individual would ordinarily conspire in public to commit criminal acts.
And the fact that conspiracies have occured in the past means that we must be prepared to uncover any such recurrence that may have occured in the recent past or present. That's not being paranoid, that's just being scientific.
They say all truth passes through three stages. 1) ridicule 2) violent opposition 3) accepted as self evident ((deemed to be without proof)). If you're not in a conspiracy, you need to start one. Drink up me hearties Yo Ho!
Have you ever played that party game where everyone sits in a circle, and you whisper something in the next person's ear, and so on, to see what comes back? It only takes one person to break that chain. No conspiracy required.
What?
Cass Sunstein. Patrick Henry. It is difficult to accept that they are products of the basically the same genetic material. Incredible, actually.
Mr. Sun-Stein is cut from the same cloth as Trotsky and his cohorts who created the Cheka police. The same Cheka police that the S.S. took many cues from to form their merry little band... They are Authoritarians by nature - this owing to their self-delusion of mental superiority.
Agree. In this moment of history, their 'I'm cleverer than you' meme has been discovered much faster by the masses because of having access to the internet This myth had it's beginning in the Old Testament of the Christians (Torah for the Hebrews). In Genesis ch 41, Joseph convinces the Pharoh to let him tax (in corn) the Egyptian farmers for 7 years, and then allowed him to sell it back to the farmers and to any other starving wretches. Joseph got this lucrative gig by being the first Jewish psychoanalyst in history by interpreting dreams of the Pharoh; this 'clever Jew becomes the trusted confidante of the Goy King and ends up controlling the kingdom'' meme has played out over and over again examples being Meyer Rotschild with the Prince of Hessia, his son Nathan Rothschild with the British royalty, Baruch with Wilson, Kissinger with Nixon...etc.
Now there had been famines regularly in the Nile for centuries and Joseph, being an astute observer of nature, found a 'clever way' again as part of the meme, to profit off of them.
Genesis ch 41:
46 And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went throughout all the land of Egypt.
47 And in the seven plenteous years the earth brought forth by handfuls.
48 And he gathered up all the food of the seven years, which were in the land of Egypt, and laid up the food in the cities: the food of the field, which was round about every city, laid he up in the same.
49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea, very much, until he left numbering; for it was without number.
Actually 'gathered corn' means taxing the production, paying nothing for it but he will sell it back to them! Sound familiar? Buy low, sell high or in this case, get for free and sell it back dear, very dear (eventually Joseph gives the corn back to each Egyptian if they agree to become the slave of the Pharoh....sounds familiar to what Uncle Sam did to the American sheeple by agreeing to the creation of the IRS to pay the interest on money made out of nothing by the bankers). Later in the chapter:
54 And the seven years of dearth began to come, according as Joseph had said: and the dearth was in all lands; but in all the land of Egypt there was bread.
55 And when all the land of Egypt was famished, the people cried to Pharaoh for bread: and Pharaoh said unto all the Egyptians, Go unto Joseph; what he saith to you, do.
56 And the famine was over all the face of the earth: and Joseph opened all the storehouses, and sold unto the Egyptians; and the famine waxed sore in the land of Egypt.
57 And all countries came into Egypt to Joseph for to buy corn; because that the famine was so sore in all lands.
So where did the money Joseph collected go? Into his own pocket, for he become rich and invites his tribe of Israeli's to move to Egypt where they are handed huge wealth for doing nothing. Well the money went supposedly into the Pharoh's pocket, but Joseph controlled it by controlling the Pharoh (sound familiar?). The Pharoh tells Joseph to bring his entire tribe into Egypt where they will be taken well care of...Heck the Pharoh tells Joseph to regard Egypt as his very own land! I wonder what sort of dirt Joseph must have really had on old Pharoh.
Genesis 45:
17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Say unto thy brethren, This do ye; lade your beasts, and go, get you unto the land of Canaan;
18 And take your father and your households, and come unto me: and I will give you the good of the land of Egypt, and ye shall eat the fat of the land.
19 Now thou art commanded, this do ye; take you wagons out of the land of Egypt for your little ones, and for your wives, and bring your father, and come.
20 Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
21 And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
In Genesis 47 the good times keep rolling on for Joseph and his tribe in the land of Egypt:
5 And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father and thy brethren are come unto thee:
6 The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle
of their pilgrimage.
10 And Jacob blessed Pharaoh, and went out from before Pharaoh.
11 And Joseph placed his father and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.
12 And Joseph nourished his father, and his brethren, and all his father's household, with bread, according to their families.
13 And there was no bread in all the land; for the famine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.
Well there was no bread for the Egyptians but there was for Joseph and his tribe. Money failed means that the money was all under Joseph's care in the house of the Pharoh so Joseph next demanded their cattle:
14 And Joseph gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh's house.
15 And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.
16 And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail.
17 And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.
18 When that year was ended, they came unto him the second year, and said unto him, We will not hide it from my lord, how that our money is spent; my lord also hath our herds of cattle; there is not ought left in the sight of my lord, but our bodies, and our lands:
The Egyptians are now starving and having nothing else to sell to Joseph for food, they voluntarily become his slaves!
19 Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh: and give us seed, that we may live, and not die, that the land be not desolate.
Joseph than had the starving Egyptians sign over to the Pharoh (whom Joseph controlled) in order to get some of the grain back that they had grown:
20 And Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh; for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them: so the land became Pharaoh's.
21 And as for the people, he removed them to cities from one end of the borders of Egypt even to the other end thereof.
22 Only the land of the priests bought he not; for the priests had a portion assigned them of Pharaoh, and did eat their portion which Pharaoh gave them: wherefore they sold not their lands.
23 Then Joseph said unto the people, Behold, I have bought you this day and your land for Pharaoh: lo, here is seed for you, and ye shall sow the land.
Now here is where Joseph sets up slavery in disguise and in perpetuity just as the bankers do today by owning our currency and living off of interest; in this case Joseph gets to collect 20% of all the production of the Egyptian people forever. He hands this over to his tribe which subsequently prosper and multiply in Egypt. Of course Joseph controls the 20% collected by the Pharoh's men:
24 And it shall come to pass in the increase, that ye shall give the fifth part unto Pharaoh, and four parts shall be your own, for seed of the field, and for your food, and for them of your households, and for food for your little ones.
25 And they said, Thou hast saved our lives: let us find grace in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh's servants.
26 And Joseph made it a law over the land of Egypt unto this day, that Pharaoh should have the fifth part; except the land of the priests only, which became not Pharaoh's.
27 And Israel dwelt in the land of Egypt, in the country of Goshen; and they had possessions therein, and grew, and multiplied exceedingly.
Now Exodus chaper 1 describes what the Egyptians do to Joseph's tribe once a new Pharoh (not under the control of Joseph) takes over. He accuses them of being dual citizen traitors who will 'join their enemies'.
6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.
7 And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.
8 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
9 And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we:
10 Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.
11 Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.
12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.
13 And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour:
14 And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.
Thus all you have to do is look at Genesis Ch 41, 47 and Exodus Ch 1 to find out the basis for the 'mental superiority myth' and the basis for how they live off the native population by manipulating the government into granting them a pereptual tax on the production of the land, 20% in the case of the Egyptians and even higher in the US considering that 50% of all profits now go to the financial sector which doesn't build squat yet owns up owning millions of properties and trillions of IOUs from the slave population that supports their lavish lifestyle.
The good news is Exodus Ch 1 tells us that eventually a patriotic leader takes over and sends the tribe away. I'm not religous and don't ordinarily read the good book, but I found these chapters in the Old Testament astounding in their honesty in portraying the 'I'm smarter than you" meme of the tribe.
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Exodus-Chapter-1/
What is astonising is that each Sunday, Christians recite these verses and don't understand that the joke's on them throughout. Christians are unknowingly playing the role of the Egyptians while being played by the Chosen.
Also the 'famine every 7 years' has been duplicated the the Zionist Fed Reserve that seems to engineer a downturn every 7 every years so as to scoop up assets. The last recession was in 2008 when the Fed raised rates and now in 2015; before 2008 there was the Fed engineered recession in 2000 again done to scoop up assets created in the previous 7 feast years. And so it goes on and on until enough non-Jews wake up.
Thanks for that mate, it all comes together....excellent....
The fuckin' Chosen. Once you figure it out, they're easy to see.
Great vid on one of the survivors/crisis actresses of the staged Paris terror attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3OAfznx_RY
Where it really gets interesting is when .gov minions like Sunstein propose things such as this and people still wont believe that it is happening or that the authorities would do anything that sinister.
Even when they admit what they are doing people will continue with the denial. How they hell do they pull that off? That fluoride must be some really good shit.
So there I am banging this Korean hooker, she is on top so my mind wandered a bit..............
I'm all over the fact that assholes like Cass want total control, but for what? Are they going to stop me from busting a nut in this tight pussy? No. Are they going to stop me from driving triple digits on my motorcycle. No. (They can try.) What does it all mean? Mud huts and castles? Good luck with that.
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
http://arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/zen-motorcycle.pdf
They can use their Full Spectrum Dominance to ssteal your money, which I have experienced in Berlin after re-unification. You can't pay for the fuel in your motorcycle then.
So it does matter how much power they have, because as soon as those guys have power, they're gonna abuse it to empty your pockets and fill theirs. Power in itself is useless until it can be used to strip you of your money. Talk to the Korean hooker if she's gonna do it on charity.
This is what happens when one owns the language. You are supposed to feel alienated and all alone, "nutter", "conspiracy theorist" and "enemy of the state". How dare you question the official narrative?
Fact is many more people question the narrative than each of us imagine, thats why they march out people like Cass Sunstein, news personalities and "experts".
Look up Operation Mockingbird and tell me there are no "conspiracies", that these are theories not facts.
I know there are conspiracies, I actually am at the receiving end of one committed during the German Kohl-Regime.
Despite that I do not use the word conspiracy because that invites the trolls to recommend tin foil hats and it always looks a bit like Godfather 5, people in a smokey back room.
I prefer to use COLLUSION. We all know that it exists, have seen it often. We do not have a conspiracy class or a ruling class, but we do have a Collusion Class.
Agreed then, collusion. Take the language back. Perhaps "criminal collusion".
Forgive me my dalliances, and may you be what you appear to be, HSF. Congrats, again on making it to the alternative media's version of the (now defunct) Jon Stewart Show!
I love you, but why has the name of your actual farm been scrubbed from the interwebs?
I can imagine lots of reasons. For now, I hope all is well for you.
No shit.
Yea, the vast majority turn out to be factual. LOL
says the Zerohedge member for 1 week and 4 days. Are you a bot or are they really paying you to post?
Sounds like you're a classic millineal retard that has never done any real research. I have met too many of them.
Go, go be with your lemming brethren.
There are millions of people that believe that the weather man on TV is actually pointing at a real map.
If you can fool people that easily with a minor amount of video editing, of course they can be fooled by putting Anderson Cooper on a green screen.
"There are millions of people that believe that the weather man on TV is actually pointing at a real map.
If you can fool people that easily with a minor amount of video editing, of course they can be fooled by putting Anderson Cooper on a green screen."
And there are people who falsely claim things are fake when they aren't.
Cooper's reaction was obviously real, not play acting.
When an idea becomes promulgated via tenured academics and acceptable to peer review, is it no longer a conspiracy theory?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKxkBEHWZuI - Utopian Impulse as a Perversion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6_leZDf30c - Pop Culture as High Priest
We are still talking here totalitarian statist mindsets, Agenda 21, and transhuman overlords ..
It is very much dystopia .. And most of present humanity has no inclination to stop it ..
I disagree. There are turning points of history and this is one of them. Rome eventually fell when people stopped believing in it's superiority. Rome tried everything including PR stunts such as the gladiator games, free food, buying off of enemies, scaring off of enemies by laying waste to Carthage...etc. But eventually the Empire collapsed. This is the end of the American Empire. It cannot surive the enemy within that was fully unleased on 9/11. That event ushered in the takeover by the deep state, a full Zionist clique whose goal is World Domination. Well it's goal was "world domination" because now it's going to struggle to just survive the coming cataclysms as the Empire crumbles.
Just as the end of Rome was presaged by the inability of Rome to engage with new military technology, so the US empire is fielding a litany of useless weapon systems. Enough said.
The most corrupt nation in the world is the United States of America. The US government is the most corrupt; the US judicial system is the most corrupt; the US media is the most corrupt; the US law enforcement is the most corrupt; the US financial and banking systems are the most corrupt; the US political system is the most corrupt; the US corporations are the most corrupt. All the corruption is geared towards exalting and enriching the rich and powerful elites while punishing and impoverishing the poor and middle classes. The US will reach that sudden tipping point, that triggers a mass insurrection against the beneficiaries of all of that corruption. When that happens the elites will have only themselves to blame.
interesting article, but one little... mishap, here
the author has picked a speech of Patrick Henry. one of the US Founding Fathers. let's have a look at him through... my modern (old) european eyes
he was for the independence of Virginia from the British Empire, and for republicanism. cool, I approve
when the new polities talked about a US Constitution, he was against it. remember, it's the US Constitution, a beloved pillar of the American Identity, and Henry was against it. he wanted Virginia to be more independent then that, freer then that, not a "State" but a full Country. reminds me of how we europeans rejected the EU Constitution, for similar reasons
Henry was a leader of the anti-federalists, in Virginia. now I'm seriously warming up for Mr. Henry, me too, here in europe
who were the Anti-Federalists? "During the debates... They argued that the strong national government proposed by the Federalists was a threat to the rights of individuals and that the President would become a king. They objected to the federal court system created by the proposed constitution. This produced a phenomenal body of political writing; the best and most influential of these articles and speeches were gathered by historians into a collection known as the Anti-Federalist Papers in allusion to the Federalist Papers." for this european, the exact point I make here, i.e. that confederation of sovereigns is strongly preferred to federation of semi-sovereigns, and that no central and lone figure has to be set up, no President, no Pseudo-King-Emperor, no Embodiment-Father-Figure of the Nation
later, he was one of the backers of the US Bill of Rights. you are reading right, Henry was against the constitution, but for the Amendments. from my european perspective, he would have preferred treaties, and was willing to engage into binding acts between Virginia and it's sister polities. in this, we got what we wanted, while Henry had to work from a worse starting position. yet, still, even more a hurray for Henry from my side
So I see Patrick Henry as a kind of "my personal hero", and in the european context, I see my position as similar to his, only with a different starting point and completely different outcome. Then at the strategic point of Constitution or Not, we went for NOT. and made treaties, instead. While the US has now a function called President Of The United States of immense relevancy and power, we have the equivalent of local congresses appointing their governments which convene in a Council, each government having the own taxes, police, military, intelligence services, tribunals and so on, while our "center", the "EU org" is a daughter of our polities, not Mother Knows Best, and has to beg for everything the sovereign polities that uphold her
so why do I write so well about Patrick Henry? well, because here below... he is being... weaselly hyperbolic:
"Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. "
You see, the size of the UK Armies and Navies... was all about the UK, France, Spain and all the others beefing up for great imperial conflicts. the American colonies were a backwater, and claiming that "all those navies and armies" were for Virginia, with or without it's sisters, was simply preposterous
in fact, for the Great Powers the sweet, sweet sugar producing Caribbian Island were something like twenty times more important - and contested - then the whole North American Continent. and those armies and navies... were not even targeting the Caribbians or North America. they were manouvering against each other, a kind of British and French chess game
and so you see, Patrick Henry was being a Conspiracy Theorist of the "bad" sort, here
a good man, a sound politician in my eyes, but writing with this speech the equivalent of a modern blog telling that the whole might of the US Armed Forces has only one purpose,
that of subjugating < insert your own dear territory here, be it Virginia, Nicaragua, Texas, Japan, whatever >,
and that is... a kind of lying. Or, at least, the use of overblown and partly fabricated arguments. To come back to the words of this article's author:
"Perhaps the first step in rectifying our situation is to begin to look at the world not as it could be, but how it is. To see things for what they are, to discard the falsehoods, no matter how pleasant they may seem in order to embrace the truth regardless of how painful it may be. And that’s not a theory, that’s a reality."
Patrick Henry fabricated a bit reality where the UK was concerned... so that people would prepare themselves for a war... he wanted
Patrick Henry is a good example how many things a man can be at the same time: revolutionary and conservative, warmonger and stateman, liar and fighter for citizen's rights, oathbreaker and forger of great binding resolutions, principled and unprincipled, all depending from the issue and the situation
This is the way humans are, and so the world of humans. This is reality. Reality is both pleasant and painful, there is no such thing as a knight in shining armour, there is no such thing as a great never-lying and always right leader, there is no such thing as a white hat cowboy that is always on the right side, then the world is not in black and white, it's full of colors
embrace facts, and you'll get nearer to the truth. embrace pleasant theories only, and you get further from the truth. but expect both pleasant and painful
Very fine.
Excellent essay.
http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/venezuela-attacks-us-website-for-telling-the-truth-about-inflation/?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonsqjNZKXonjHpfsX87eQtUaKg38431UFwdcjKPmjr1YIHS8R0aPyQAgobGp5I5FEBS7TYRKtst6cMUw%3D%3D
Among other circuses...
The Law Of One explains almost everything, you have to go back a few thousand years to understand what is happening today, gives the history of Earth going back many millenia to the 1980's, once you understand that you can fill in the blanks to now, happy enlightenment!
http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx
"Proof TV Media 100% Fake – Fake/Green Screen Compilation..."
Fake fake green screen compilation.
I cant help but to wonder about the motivation behind the blacksmiths video. He for sure knows it would only fly for a very short time before it was shown to be BS.
"I cant help but to wonder about the motivation behind the blacksmiths video."
Truth was the motivation.
Then why fudge the test?