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Ukraine "Crooks" Default On $3 Billion Bond To Putin

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Back in August, Ukraine struck a restructuring agreement on some $18 billion in Eurobonds with a group of creditors headed by Franklin Templeton. 

Under the terms of the deal, Kiev should save around $4 billion once everything is said and done. That was the good news. The bad news was that Ukraine still owed $3 billion to Vladimir Putin. Here’s what we said at the time:

“..owing Vladimir Putin $3 billion is not a situation one ever wants to find themselves in, but this particular case is exacerbated by the fact that Putin did not loan the money to Ukraine as we know it now, he loaned the money to a Ukraine that was governed by Russian-backed Viktor Yanukovych. Of course Yanukovych was run out of the country last year following a wave of protests (recall John McCain’s infamous speech at Maidan)." 

Ukrainian finance minister Natalie Jaresko offered the same restructuring terms to Russia that it offered to Franklin Templeton and T. Rowe. In effect, Jaresko was attempting to tell Vladimir Putin that Ukraine would allow him to take a 20% upfront loss on the $3 billion he loaned to Yanukovych who was overthrown by the current Ukrainian government with whom Moscow is effectively at war.

As you might imagine, Putin was not at all interested. Last month, Moscow "generously" offered to accept $1 billion per year from now until 2018 (so, a "restructuring" at par). Kiev refused, noting that such a deal would violate the country's agreement with its other creditors.

Earlier this week, the IMF ruled that the debt to Russia was intergovernmental (as opposed to private). “In the case of the Eurobond, the Russian authorities have represented that this claim is official. The information available regarding the history of the claim supports this representation,” the Fund said, in a statement.

"The decision means that under new IMF rules Ukraine will now have to demonstrate 'good faith' in at least attempting to negotiate a restructuring of its debt with Russia if it wants to secure the next instalment of a $17bn IMF-led rescue programme," FT noted at the time. "But the 'good faith' bar is one that senior IMF officials do not believe Ukraine has yet met."

That ruling effectively set the stage for Ukraine to declare a default and that's precisely what happened just moments ago. 

As Bloomberg reports, "Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Kiev is imposing a moratorium on the note due Dec. 20. Yatsenyuk announced the payment freeze at a government meeting in Kiev on Friday."The finance ministry warned Russia on Thursday evening that it could not make the payment (due by Sunday). 

"Considering that Russia has refused, despite our efforts, to sign an agreement on restructuring and to accept our proposals, the cabinet is imposing a moratorium on payment of the Russian debt worth $3 billion," Yatsenyuk said, adding that Kiev "is also imposing a moratorium on the $507 million debt payment to Russian banks of two Ukrainian companies Yuzhnoe and Ukravtodor. From today all payments are suspended till our government or a court makes a decision." 

And it looks like a court will have to make "a decision" because Putin is probably going to sue. "Russia said as recently as last week it would take Ukraine to court if the payment was missed," Bloomberg notes.

Earlier this month, Putin ordered Finance Minister Anton Siluanov to file a lawsuit against Ukraine in the event Kiev defaults. “It is strange. If they are so confident in the country’s solvency for the next year, then they could somehow participate during the last four years to share the risks," Putin said, referencing Washington's unwillingness to back Ukraine's guarantees. "Fine. File the lawsuit," he concluded.

So, the stage is now set for what will surely be an amusing court battle between Russia and Ukraine which, you're reminded, are still essentially at war. In a preview of the kind of chuckle-inducing soundbites you're likely to hear in the months ahead, we close with the following quote from PM Dmitry Medvedev:

“I have a feeling that they will not pay us back because they are crooks.”  

 

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Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:13 | 6938512 Latina Lover
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"Of course they are crooks"

As  puppets of the USSA State Department, installed courtesy of a Color Revolution, their job is to harass Russia, even if it means committing national economic suicide.

What  else would you expect from a group selected "Fuck the EU" Nuland/Nudelman?

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:14 | 6938520 . . . _ _ _ . . .
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USA didn't 'hold for safe-keeping' all of Ukraine's gold for nothing.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:16 | 6938525 NoDebt
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Gonna be a cold winter in Ukraine with the gas turned off.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:21 | 6938535 cossack55
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With the possible exception of random +1000 degree "accidents".

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:38 | 6938569 CuttingEdge
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Look on the positive side of the ledger.

$3bill is chump change when the USA gifts you Crimea (and Eastern Ukraine eventually).

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:40 | 6938574 Haus-Targaryen
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What does Russia do when the court says the $3 Billion is a good downpayment for Crimea? 
 
This kind of nonsense wouldn't surprise me.  

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:00 | 6938614 messystateofaffairs
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Advice to Putin, don't waste time with kangaroo courts dig it and more out of Ukraine with prepaid price increases.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:20 | 6938825 the phantom
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Ukraine's time as a semi-functional state, has about 3 years.  Russia is already looking at several options, including additional Nord Stream capacity, that will completely take The Ukie's out of the gas picture completely.  Then what?  It becomes a Kosovo.  In the meantime, the oligarchs and political elite are stealing as much as possible... as that's what they do.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:46 | 6938926 Jtrillian
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What good is the IMF if they allow some debts to be defaulted while requiring other debts to be paid? 

Answer:  The IMF is an organization of collusion.  If you are not one of the controlling countries, then FUHGET ABOUT IT. 

Eastern countries should abandon the IMF as well as the reserve currencies backing it in favor of precious metals  That will send a clear message and put them on better economic footing for the future.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:39 | 6939481 Oracle 911
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Guys, the IMF said the Ukraine bonds are intergovernmental loans. It is just me or this stuff really stinks?

Because after this precedent the PIGS and the whole world can call gov. bonds emitted under the British or other law an intergovernmental or a private loan on which can be freely defaulted.

 

What do you think Tyler?

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 13:23 | 6939693 kralizec
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I think it is time to get out of Ukraine unless you like being Russia's bitch.

Next!

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 17:19 | 6940780 Macon Richardson
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The IMF declared the loan to be an "intergovernmental" loan. Parse the word "intergovernmental": it means "between governmenss". It is not a private loan. Intergovenmental loans are not private loans. The IMF gods have declared it a governmental loan which means, by exclusion that is is NOT a private loan.

Which part of this have you completely missed?

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 17:26 | 6940813 Oracle 911
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Well it was declared as intergubmit loan by IMF, BUT Russians bought it as Ukraine Euro-bond on the London exchange. So it smells.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:50 | 6939564 lasvegaspersona
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The Euro has already done this. More than half of the ECB reserves (in dollar terms) are gold. It is marked to market so the 'value' varies but it is unique and some think an excellent way to use gold.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:05 | 6939003 Volkodav
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dup  

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:57 | 6939595 BlindMonkey
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"What does Russia do when the court says the $3 Billion is a good downpayment for Crimea? "

 

It is hard to imagine Russia losing that in court.   If you have a coup, all bets are off.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 14:09 | 6939893 golden kafir
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"What does Russia do when the court says the $3 Billion is a good downpayment for Crimea? " except Crimea was an Autonomous Republic filled with russians. Also historically the Dnieper river was a dividing line between cultures and more or less belonged to the Zaporozhian Cossacks for hundreds of years. East of the Dnieper the ottoman tatars dominated, so there really is no historical precedent for Ukraine to have any claims to any territories east of the Dnieper. The cossacks are the ones with a valid claim but are being forced by novorusian rebels to reject aspirations for political independence under threat of assassination.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:38 | 6938571 Bernoulli
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Careful, Vlad! Watch your back!
President Obama is toughening up in the wilderness, eating salmon that was leftover from a bear (!)
http://www.nbc.com/running-wild-with-bear-grylls

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:42 | 6938576 CuttingEdge
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Make a change from Wookie leftovers then.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:06 | 6938629 X_Weatherman
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I didn't know Bear was THAT way.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:51 | 6938752 swmnguy
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We know he drinks his own pee, when there's a full camera and sound crew standing right there (and you know they've got water, coffee, juices, bagels, snacks, etc.).

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:18 | 6938823 Lorca's Novena
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Bull sheet... All that amounted to was a small hike with 25 glocks and a few AR's.... Lets se that Bitch spend just one weekend alone in the Sierras. The bears would assume he was queer and butt devastate the potus.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:29 | 6938862 Tigermoth
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But Obumer has a coat on! Vald would be in shorts only in that weather.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 13:24 | 6939699 Alan_F
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What weather? That runoff wasn't global warming but the out of shot propane heaters.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:15 | 6939383 dogbreath
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Thats gotta be his stunt double

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:04 | 6938625 Pumpkin
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You would think this might be a consideration.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:04 | 6938992 Volkodav
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not if you live in mansion taking from others

otherwise, average Ukrainian citizen has no say of what happens

Ukraine has never been a sovereign country

now is hardly a country

failed state

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:45 | 6938583 Gavrikon
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Of COURSE they're crooks!

But they're OUR crooks!

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:39 | 6938900 my_nym
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That's the problem.  They aren't.   They're Jews. Unless you think that our fortunes have been so incorporated with the criminal religion that creates international, tribal mafias... I guess.  Hopium/opium.  Who owned the monopoly on trading that to the "goy"?  Slave trade, who owned the slave ships?  The international debt/money trade of banking, who owns that? 

They're our crooks?  Americans should take another look at the original "revolution" led by the Masonic/patrician class against their own overlords in the international trade.  No sooner had they got done then a Jewish agent tried to set up a way to get incorporated in the international debt/money trade again and there was a Whiskey Rebellion based on their own "revolution."  Washington probably felt pretty sheepish getting on his horse and leading men to put down a rebelion.

This struggle goes way back.  And Judaizers/Masons are usually on the wrong side of it, even if they get idolized and have their little Talmudism lite clubs for the "dumb goyim."  Washington was a very good guy in many ways but I'm with the Whiskey Rebellion guys and other forms of resistance that have arisen throughout history.       

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:15 | 6939066 Consuelo
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It was his henchman, Hamilton actually, who led the charge on the Whiskey Rebellion.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:31 | 6938871 my_nym
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Strange that the Jews surrounding Putin can't find a way of dealing with the Jewish proxy government of the Ukraine and the Jewish government in America. 

No matter, apparently it's mainly the "goy" that pay when Jews disagree with each other or can't quite "advise" or manipulate political leaders like Putin/Trump.  Leaders/patriarchs that are coming into alignment, naturally... because half the shit that's being done around the world is based on Judeo/Zionism/globalism/banksterism without regard for the interests of American or Russian people.  (Not that there's an "American" or "Russian" national identity anymore anyway.  These guys are empire builders and all "Americans" are slated to be totally monetized, blended and melted out of existence based on immigration.  If Russia was a more successful empire, same deal.   

I guess that's Trump's main argument:  "You're not even going to have an empire in the future.  Make America White, I Mean Great Again!  What are the ethnic spines that the Russian and American empires rest on? How far can they expand or project power without the work becoming "back breaking"?  We probably have diversity programs at the CIA at this point.  So those guys could be Muslims.  Or they could be African pygmies. Or perhaps Somalian immigrants?  These guys better take note of the ethno/racial spines that empires are built on if they expect to continue having an "international"/interracial empire. 

 

Personally, it makes no difference to me at this point.    

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:12 | 6938517 Infinite QE
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We are the elders. We pay nothing back.

- The Elders of Zion, Ukraine Office

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:16 | 6938519 JustObserving
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 they will not pay us back because they are crooks.

But they are crooks controlled by US/NATO. CIA sock-puppets.  And war criminals too

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:15 | 6938521 juicy_bananas
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Coffee's for closers.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:15 | 6938522 NoDebt
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That $3B will be put to better use in the war effort.

- What's Left of Ukraine's Puppet Government

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:16 | 6938524 Cognitive Dissonance
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Name me one non crooked/corrupt regime the USA has (newly) supported over the last 20 years.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:19 | 6938530 NoDebt
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How do you buy off non-corrupt people to do your bidding?  Its sort of a contradiction in terms.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:30 | 6938556 Cognitive Dissonance
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So the only regimes we wish to support are those who work against the will of their own people, thus the need to 'buy them off'? What does that make the USA?

<America the beautiful.....ly corrupt.>

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:30 | 6938557 NoDebt
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Exactly.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:42 | 6938568 overmedicatedun...
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repost

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:28 | 6938859 BullyBearish
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Read this:

The Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:49 | 6938937 WillyGroper
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I think Perkins got Qadaffy wrong.

Free college, house, $50K to start a fambly & highest standard of living in Africa.

We've destroyed the place.

Not to mention MSM coverage at the dinner hour of his knife buggaring.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 13:01 | 6939604 Bay of Pigs
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What would you except from a pyschopath, hypocrite and war criminal. She is evil personified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 14:43 | 6940031 WillyGroper
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The reference was to Perkins, not cankles.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:26 | 6938674 Vendetta
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"What does that make the USA?"   3rd Reich reincarnated through finance/trade policy then ultimately military action?

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:53 | 6938761 swmnguy
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That's what all Empires do.  Anybody they can't corrupt, they try to destroy.  There's nothing new about this.  Except that, until about 12 years ago, we pretended we weren't an Empire and it was in very bad taste to say differently.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:20 | 6938527 Maestro Maestro
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Putin,

 

You're a joke.

 

You're selling Russia's oil for your enemy's fraudulent dollars thereby keeping America going, so that they can kick your ass time and time again.

 

You're selling valuable Russian gas for the Europeans' only-dollar-backed, banker-and-NOT-sovereign-nation-printed Euros, in effect giving the gas away for free to the Americans' vassals and collaborators, the Europeans.

 

Lastly, you're supplying gas to the Ukrainians who burned dozens of Russians alive, and killed thousands more of your Russian people?

 

And now you're going to sue them?  For dollars or Euros which the American and European bankers can confiscate or devalue to oblivion with a few strokes on a computer keyboard?

 

You're like a whore who wants his virginity back.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:57 | 6938573 cowdiddly
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No, Putin only excepts oil payments in Rubles starting early this year. Why do you think they hate him so much? And secondly, He is only selling gas to the Ukraine on a prepayment basis as they have stiffed him too many times. Your buddies at the EU have been making the payments for them. So that makes the EU leaders the whores, using soveriegn tax dollars to keep another nation of deadbeats warm.

He did this because they attack the Ruble and Sherbank with financial terrorism much like what they do on a daily basis to the gold and silver markets. These stories and proof ar just coming out but it was obvious months ago. This only hurts if your oil sales are in dollars. Now he has super cheap Rubles and the number one exporter of oil getting paid in devalued money. HE IS LOVING IT. The stupid idiots can't even figure out exporting nations love a cheap currency. when they get paid in their own money. WHy do you think the Chinese are devaluing Yuan by 15% as soon as they join the IMF SDR fund and became part of the reserve currency basket? THEY export buttloads and will make out like fat rats.

That and they siphon and steal all they can from the Ukraine pipeline gas heading to Europe, which is why Russia is trying to lay an alternative route through Hungary or Turkey or Nordstream 2.

AND, what do the Eurpean goons do? Why they try to block every alternative pipeline project to deliver their own gas to them. If I was Putin I would tell them to fuckin freeze then you European maggots. Either you want the gas or not. Never have I seen a group of nations as the European Union so intent on destroying theirselves as the EU is, be it immigration, gas, sanctions or other.

The whores reside in Europe in this case. Keep up or shut up

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:03 | 6938623 cossack55
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ZH should institute a "super-up" arrow for those comments that are totally on the mark.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:39 | 6938720 tsuki
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There was no problem with the second Nord Stream.  The Nords, esp. Germany, want the revenue.  Nothing for the Suds or Osts. 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:59 | 6938963 Ghordius
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cowdiddly, you wrote a few sentences here that I truly don't understand

"So that makes the EU leaders the whores, using soveriegn tax dollars to keep another nation of deadbeats warm" - dollars? who's dollars?

"...they attack the Ruble and Sherbank with financial terrorism much like what they do on a daily basis to the gold and silver markets". who are they?

"...what do the Eurpean goons do? Why they try to block every alternative pipeline project to deliver their own gas to them" who blocks them?

specifically about Nordstream 2, do you realize that Germany and Russia are for it, while the US is, according to the Wall Street Journal, strongly against it? together with Poland?

"If I was Putin I would tell them to fuckin freeze then you European maggots."

Putin does not call us maggots, he calls us esteemed customers. He has enough other people to call maggots, and he has a better grasp of who is what

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:18 | 6939084 Overfed
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C'mon Gordy, you know whose dollars. You know who they are. Maybe if Cowdiddly becomes a contributor here, he can write out the whole thing for you and the rest of us. Till then, I'd rather not try to read feature length commentary.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:44 | 6939531 Ghordius
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I do not know who he means. Do you? Then pray tell

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 13:05 | 6939625 Bay of Pigs
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Dont be stupid. You know all too well what the fuck is going on.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 22:15 | 6941688 messystateofaffairs
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Its the jooos Ghordius, its the jooos, its alwsys the jooos causing shit. Geerz.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:22 | 6939100 monk27
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Some of his "esteemed customers" are nothing more than lowlife maggots. For now, he'll take their money...

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:51 | 6938594 messystateofaffairs
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While the dollar lives its convertible to cheap gold. Putin gets more gold for his oil. Why spoil that party? When the time is right gold will make its debut but until then one must enjoy ones gifts.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:03 | 6938624 Baby Bladeface
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You came and for some reason got a hurdy-gurdy about Putin. And for whom he afterwards idol? The rest of the porridge does not comment, sorry.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:14 | 6938642 X_Weatherman
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I'm not picking up on the lingo, there, bud...makes no sense to me.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:30 | 6938690 jm
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This is the best whore Putin can buy. Fiscal balances must be in poor shape indeed.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:36 | 6938708 Baby Bladeface
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So interesting to watch sneaky kaklo-trolls in their attempts to wishful thinking.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:43 | 6938731 bamawatson
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your gibberish is sophmoric

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:18 | 6938529 agent default
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Measly $3B for Russia.  However the West is setting an interesting precedent right here.  I have a feeling that the EU south and other countries will eventually bite the IMF/ECB/EU in the ass with this.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:44 | 6938580 jerry_theking_lawler
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Doesn't Greece owe a *hit ton of money to the IMF? Didn't Greece seek Russia's help but they said no.....well, maybe they didn't just say no. Maybe they said yes, but first we need a precedent set so it all legal and stuff. Then Greece can default on its IMF payments and go to Russia (AIIB) to get funding....

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:34 | 6938885 rwe2late
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 Tsipras never intended to let Greece escape

from TROIKA clutches (or NATO, or any of his true sponsors).

His trip to Russia was a publicity stunt to fool the public,

along with his many other lies, evasions, and hypocritical sell-out deals.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:47 | 6938927 Ghordius
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perhaps. and perhaps he just did what he perceived as his duty to find out what his options with Russia are, and how to leverage them at the bargaining table with the troika

meanwhile, Greeks are still around 65% in favour of keeping the EUR. and they would be pissed if somewhere in the future Turkey is a EU member and Greece isn't

and all in all, they are disillusioned about the EU... and yet they still trust the EU commission more then their own government

what would you have done at Tsipras' place? with or without remembering that he is supported by a coalition of mostly radical socialists?

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:19 | 6938531 Herdee
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The Rothchilds and their gang of World Bank thieves they are associated with were run out of Russia by Putin.Now the IMF led by their American puppet masters,along with Soros and the rest of the criminals can have their fill.Ukraine is worse than Nigeria for corruption.Good Luck,it's Detroit on a massive scale.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:25 | 6938539 insanelysane
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Maybe these commandos that got "uninvited" to Libya can help out.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3365394/US-Special-Forces-photog...

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:14 | 6938644 HowdyDoody
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This is obviously totally unrelated to the earlier arrival of several hundred ISIS thugs escaping the Russian/Syrian onslaught in Syria, who are now presumably based at the ISIS training camps near the airbase where US goons landed. (/sarc)

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:26 | 6938542 FreeNewEnergy
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Being of Italian/Sicilian heritage, I know exactly what my forefathers would have done.

They'd send in the repo guys, Nino and Vito, and a few of their "workers" who just happen to always be carrying ball-peen hammers and have a nasty habit of striking things close to the ground, like knees and ankles.

I would imagine there are some assets in Ukraine that might be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 extra large. Now, all your assets belong to mother Russia.

If governments are going to play dirty, I'm willing and able to play along.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:54 | 6938764 Niall Of The Ni...
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Yes. Like some of the best farmland in Eurasia.

If the "Ukrainians" want to be Europeans that bad, send them one step ahead of the Russian army with nothing but the clothes on their backs, and give that land to Russian farmers.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:26 | 6938543 Cognitive Dissonance
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"So, the stage is now set for what will surely be an amusing court battle between Russia and Ukraine which, you're reminded, are still essentially at war."

A lawsuit is essentially war with lots of rules and procedures. When they revert to guns most of the rules are dropped.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:27 | 6938546 buzzsaw99
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Bellamy: Listen, we made a deal!

Big Joe: Not with me you didn't.

[/Kelly's Heroes]

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:49 | 6938591 kralizec
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Man, that flick is timeless, it has quotes for every situation!

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:10 | 6938633 cossack55
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Should be a ZH standard:

 

www.youtube.com/catch?v=Kqw0Gz9GahM

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:33 | 6938549 atmasko
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You can reform debt and that is not called being a "crook". What is beaing called "crook" is Putin who avoids paying up by court rule:

Court orders Russia to pay $50 billion for seizing Yukos assets

 

Putin Enables Russia to Overturn European Court of Human Rights Decisions

 

French court backs freezing of Russian assets over Yukos claims
Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:58 | 6938609 Baby Bladeface
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You seriously swim in this theme? With the same success Yatsenyuk declared war on Russia.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:01 | 6938618 Amun
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You are citing a western court taking a totally politically motivated decision in favour of a convicted criminal and felon who is still under investigation for ordering a mafia killing of an elected mayor.

 

You are not saying a single word about how russian billionaires with the help of US ended up with 95% of Russia's wealth - the biggest heighst in the human history.

 

That makes you a straight forward troll and a propaganda outlet - who is your paymaster?

 

"What U.S. policy has wrought across much of the post-cold war landscape is a moral, political and financial abomination based on fraud, theft and deceit. In Russia the results of the Clinton Administration’s policies are the perpetuation of the longest depression of the 20th century in what is increasingly an unpoliced deadly weapons dump, the biggest swindle of national property since Vladimir Lenin muscled the country early in the century and the discrediting of the ideas of free markets and democracy. 

"The Rape of Russia"

 

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2714-The-Rape-of-Rus...

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:44 | 6938735 atmasko
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"You are citing a western court taking a totally politically motivated decision in favour of a convicted criminal and felon who is still under investigation for ordering a mafia killing of an elected mayor."

Russian court system is corrupt and controlled by Putin elite. They jail anyone who Putin orders to. They make up cases just like in North Korea. Same with this bizzare: "investigation for ordering a mafia killing of an elected mayor."

Where anyone can be woken up at night and taken to jail for 15 days every 2 weeks. Just like that.

https://youtu.be/H8mugI_cXuc

 

But  European Court of Human Rights is trully Independent. That is why Putin now denies Russians access to it. I guess you are russian troll if you spread lies.

 

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:38 | 6938895 Amun
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Only 15 days in Russia?

As a government paid troll you should know that in UK, for instance they can take yuo out without warrant and charge for at least 28 days.

If they follow the rule of law, of course, then that is 28 days. And if and when they decide not to? GUANTANAMO! And most NATO countries have aided and abetted arrests without warrants and indefinite incarcerations without charge and trial!

Know your staff or you will loose your job.

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:08 | 6939020 Max Steel
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He is Zh posterboy from Latvia with his 17th new account after getting banned 16 times.

 

 

 

I like his dedication.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:07 | 6939016 BarkingCat
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Makes no difference whether Russians courts are corrupt or not.
No foreign court has any jurisdiction with regards to affair that happen in another country.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:13 | 6938640 Amun
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"The Rape of Russia
by Anne Williamson

The following is Anne Williamson's testimony before the Committee on Banking and Financial Services of the U.S. House of Representatives, presented Sept. 21, 1999. 

It shows how the historic opportunity given the U.S. to help transform Russia into a free, peaceful, pro-Western country was squandered in the form of a bruising economic rape carried out by corrupt Russian politicians and businessmen, assisted by Bush and (especially) Clinton administrations engaged in political payoffs to Wall Street bankers and others, and by ineptitude and greed on the part of the U.S. Treasury and the Harvard Institute for International Development, assisted by fellow travelers and manipulators at Nordex, the IMF, the World Bank, and the Federal Reserve. 

The losers were the Russian people and (mainly) U.S. tax-payers. 

And the winners? Ms. Williamson names names, and that's why the elite media has shut out her book. She indicates their heroes are thieves, and they are afraid she may be right. "

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2714-The-Rape-of-Rus...


Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:50 | 6939254 Phoenix Pilgrim
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Excellent reading! Thanks for the thread. I'm surprised they aren't called "Economic Cannibals" rather than linking ethnic, religious, or political labels which then provoke the "hate crime" counter.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:47 | 6938745 Niall Of The Ni...
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Putin's only crime in that case was reclaiming the property of the Russian people and sending a rich thief to a real prison.

That rich thief ought to be grateful he was allowed to leave that prison alive.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:55 | 6938762 atmasko
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Why Putin hates so much open tenders and gives away public projects to his friends without any tenders?

Russia Awards Lucrative Crimea Bridge Contract to Putin's Crony

Why did Putin created so called "Rotenberg tax" where he takes away truckers money for his friend billioner Rotenberg?

https://youtu.be/hxH9WIzvOqY

 

Pissed Off Russian Truckers Are Threatening to Cause a Traffic Nightmare in Moscow
Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:00 | 6938784 atmasko
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"That rich thief ought to be grateful he was allowed to leave that prison alive."

yeah... not everyone survives there...

 

Sergei Leonidovich Magnitsky (Russian??????? ??????????? ???????????; 8 April 1972 – 16 November 2009) was a Russian accountant and auditor whose arrest and subsequent murder in custody generated international media attention and triggered both official and unofficial inquiries into allegations of fraud, theft and human rights violations.[1][2]

Magnitsky had alleged there had been a large-scale theft from the Russian state sanctioned and carried out by Russian officials. He was arrested and eventually died in prison seven days before the expiration of the one-year term during which he could be legally held without trial.[3] In total, Magnitsky served 358 days in Moscow's notorious Butyrka prison. He developed gall stonespancreatitis and a blocked gall bladder and received inadequate medical care. A human rights council set up by the Kremlin found that he was beaten up just before he died.[4][5] His case has become an international cause célèbre[6] and led to the adoption of the Magnitsky bill by the US government at the end of 2012 by which those Russian officials believed to be involved in the auditor’s death were barred from entering the United States or using its banking system. In response, Russia blocked hundreds of foreign adoptions.[7]

In early January 2013, the Financial Times editorialised that "the Magnitsky case is egregious, well documented and encapsulates the darker side of Putinism"[8] and endorsed the idea of imposing similar sanctions against the implicated Russian officials by the EU countries.[8]

In 2013, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit news organization, obtained records of companies and trusts created by two offshore companies which included information on at least 23 companies linked to an alleged $230 million tax fraud in Russia, a case that was being investigated by Sergei Magnitsky. The ICIJ investigation also revealed that the husband of one of the Russian tax officials deposited millions in a Swiss bank account set up by one of the offshore companies.[7]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:49 | 6938934 Volkodav
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Khorodovsky was in Chita Prison

Magnitsky was not

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:12 | 6939369 atmasko
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Both under Putin rule.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 16:14 | 6940496 Baby Bladeface
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The link to Wikipedia is a marker of the effect of the brainwashing.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:26 | 6938848 agent default
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Exactly what the fuck is this European court, who gave it any authority outside the EU and why should anyone give two fucks what their ruling is? 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:20 | 6939408 atmasko
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You are not very smart. Not smart at all.

Russia joined the club by it's own will. It did it to attract more investments as other countries knew their investments will be defended by international court and would not be taken away just like that. Well, that happened and so investor sue Russia for doing so. 

Russia Ends Opposition to Rights Court

MOSCOW — The Russian Parliament on Friday reversed its longstanding opposition to reforms in the European Court of Human Rights, as part of a new push to smooth over differences with the country’s European partners.

Legislators in the lower house voted 392 to 56 to ratify the reforms, news agencies reported.

The international human rights court, based in Strasbourg, France, has been clogged in recent years with a backlog of complaints, nearly one-third of them filed against Russia. The reform plan, Protocol 14, aims to speed up the court’s work, in part by reducing the number of judges necessary to make major decisions.

Since 2006, Russia has been the only one of 47 participating states to refuse to ratify Protocol 14. Moscow’s opposition seemed colored by its overall suspicion of the court, which has found Russian officials guilty of corruption, torture and other misconduct.

But Dmitri F. Vyatkin, who serves on Parliament’s legislative committee, said European ministers had finally addressed Russian complaints about the proposals, in part by guaranteeing that Russian judges would be involved in reviewing complaints against Russia. He said the decision showed that Russia and the other European states were seeking common ground.

“It’s not such a big step,” said Mr. Vyatkin, a member of the governing United Russia party, “but it’s a step toward one another, and that’s the main thing.” He added, “Though we are very singular, we are part of European culture, for the most part.”

Strasbourg has provided an international platform for hundreds of cases damaging to the government. One of the most damaging had been expected to grab attention on Thursday, the day of the first hearing in a $100 billion lawsuit filed by the former managers of Yukos, the oil company once run by the imprisoned oligarch Mikhail B. Khodorkovsky.

The court said Tuesday that the hearing would be delayed for a third time, until March 4, because two Russian representatives would not be available. One became ill, and the other was needed to address the Parliament before the ratification vote, said Karinna Moskalenko, one of Mr. Khodorkovsky’s lawyers.

Leaders of the Council of Europe, which established the human rights court, worked hard to convince Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin and President Dmitri A. Medvedev that the reforms “had become a key link in the relationship,” said Thomas Hammarberg, the human rights commissioner at the council. Russia will be held to the same rules that apply to other members, and no changes were made to the protocol during negotiations.

“What they probably feel is that they have been listened to — their concerns have been heard,” Mr. Hammarberg said. “I think it has been more of a political process than a juridical process.”

But Mr. Vyatkin said the council had provided written commitments on the Russians’ main fears. He said he was reassured that Russian judges would be included in reviews of potential cases against Russia, that the court would not begin investigating complaints before cases were formally accepted and that the court would not have new powers to force rulings to be carried out.

He said his European colleagues had ignored Russians’ complaints for years. “The main thing is, we explained to our colleagues that ultimatums will not solve anyone’s problems,” he said. “Let’s talk. It is already clear that without Russian participation, the Council of Europe will be of no use to anyone.”

Aleksei V. Makarkin, a leading analyst at the Center for Political Technologies, a Moscow policy research group, said such compromises could have been reached at any time in the last four years. What has changed, he said, is the atmosphere in Moscow. “We have begun to change our relationship to the West,” Mr. Makarkin said. “We no longer have the feeling that Europe wants to build revolutions here.”

In terms of domestic politics, he added, “I would put it in the context of very careful, very gradual steps toward liberalization.”

 

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:28 | 6938550 Monetas
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Putin is backing Trump !

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:28 | 6938551 FreeNewEnergy
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Maybe Janet Yellen can raise rates a few basis points.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:28 | 6938552 Svendblaaskaeg
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Vlad humming: " It's gonna be a cold, cold Christmas..." 

Turn those valves off!

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:28 | 6938553 Mewa
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Two can play that game....if the US/IMF doesnt recognize property rights like every 3rd world nation they they will be treated as such ie...Russia can start defaulting on Western banks and take them down...last time I checked Russian sov. debt/GDP was in a lot better shape than the US...and by the way these actions only go to increase dumping the dollar and US bonds....keep printing Fed your yields are going higher now that you are behind the curve.....

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:45 | 6938920 Volkodav
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Economist World Debt Clock  Debt Comparison:

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock/

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:31 | 6938559 Pliskin
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Add it on to the price of the gas, and get the Eurocunts to pay.

They wanna play the sanctions game. let 'em, hey they can always ask Uncle Sam (IMF, World Bank) for more loans.

Better yet, start selling gas and oil for gold...and watch the price of gold jump (To the fucking moon, Alice)

Then when all the European cuntries ask Unky Sam for their gold back, see sparks fly.

Let's get this fucking shit show on the road, the thought of all these sick old fucks; Soros, Brezinski, Murdoch, Bush, Cheney et al, dying peacefully in their sleep, just doesn't sit right with me, time is running out, let's get these octo/nona-genarians dragged up on to the gallows.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:48 | 6938588 flapdoodle
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gallows? nah... death by belt sander would be more appropriate and much more satisfying against these guys.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:41 | 6938908 Pliskin
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+1

I like your style.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:31 | 6938560 I AM SULLY
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The Ukraine defaulted on its debt.

(color me: surprised)

(/sarc off)

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:35 | 6938565 hooligan2009
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russia will annex ukraine, thus removing a bad actor from the world economic stage, rather than defraud investors (as T.Rowe and Franklin did to their investors)

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:45 | 6938582 Caleb Abell
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Hopefully, eastern Ukraine, which is Russian.  If they are smart, they will leave the Khazar nazis in tthe western half for the Europeans.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:47 | 6938696 Allen_H
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They would not do that, it would complicate the matter further, and sorting out Mordor will be a financial black hole. It is better for them to leave them to their own demise with help from their puppets, they will NOT annex Mordor.

Russia will not rebuild a country that the owners have destroyed, it is senseless, and the people need to be un-brainwashed, a further nightmare.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:44 | 6938581 Wile-E-Coyote
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Putin has an excellent opportunity to turn the gas off to the Ukraine. He can flip the blame onto the Ukie government, the people won't take kindly to freezing to death. There is a lot of wood in that parliament building.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:59 | 6938612 Chris Dakota
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The West wants him to shut off the gas, just think of the stories of them freezing to death at Christmas.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 11:05 | 6939004 Wile-E-Coyote
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Of course in your world there are no consequences for defaulting on a loan. I hear fat Nazis burn real well.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:07 | 6938630 Baby Bladeface
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In Ukraine old tires are traditional fuel the fire to build.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:45 | 6938584 SystemOfaDrown
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Neo-Nazis are Crooks? That's news to me!

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:33 | 6938881 _ConanTheLibert...
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keywords: bear pope woods catholic shit

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:58 | 6938585 Mike Masr
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What about the US sponsored punitive operation in Ukraine that targets Russian speaking civilians in the eastern Donbas region? Ukrainian operations have targeted elementary schools, nursing homes, hospitals and residential neighborhoods and this is all good with Barry Obozo...Their crimes? They speak Russian and they don't approve of the US sponsored banderist neo nazi junta that violated their constitution and illegally overthrew their country...of course this makes them dangerous criminals and as the Kiev junta calls them, "Terrorists". 

See below, these are the kind of people that the US sponsors in Ukraine: 

A Call for Concentration Camps

On the evening of June 17, 2015 prime time television viewers in Ukraine were treated to another neo-fascist performance that are now part of the country’s routine. Ideologist of the Ukrainian far right Dmytro Korchynskiy urged the Maidan regime to set up concentration camps for the Donbas’s and Crimea’s population and carry out a full ethnic cleansing and depopulation of the Donbas rebel regions and Crimea: “Americans are our teachers of democracy. The USA is truly the most democratic country in the world today. All democratic institutions were preserved in America during WWII, such as elections, etc. Nevertheless, several million American citizens were deported to particular concentration camps – American citizens of Japanese ethnicity. In wartime they constituted a potential threat. The USA, having preserved the high level of humanism inside its own nation, carried out a nuclear strike upon Japan. They also bombed German cities. Eighty per cent of residential buildings in Germany were destroyed by Anglo-American air raids. The doctrine implied shelling of residential areas first and foremost in order to demoralize German soldiers at the front, etc. Thus, we also should have the highest level of freedom in Ukraine. We have too little freedom. We should have more freedom. Nevertheless, in the front-line zone and occupied territories we should act in the American way; that is, if we lost territories and cannot get them back, they must be lifeless. If they cannot be ours, they ought belong to no one” (Dmytro Korchinskiy’s comments on Ukraine’s channel ‘112’, 17 June 2015 at “Na ukrainskom TV prizvali k sozdaniyu kontslagerei dlya zhitelei Donbassa,” YouTube, 17 June 2015, www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSv3fixJPc4, last accessed 19 June 2015).

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:36 | 6938711 Allen_H
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No mention of AmeriKKKan concentration camps which killed millions of innocent Germans after WWII !

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:15 | 6938816 Savyindallas
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And another 1.7 million killed in the forced relocation and death marches of German citizens from their homes after the war  -not to mention those who died in Soviet gulags.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:44 | 6938838 Allen_H
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In retalitory strikes against Saudi trip-goat fuckers bombing them this morning with fighter jets, Yemen sends them Tochka missiles back and causes some big dammage. See ! You cannot trust a puppet saudi sewer rat.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940927000680

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:47 | 6938586 jm
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Not sure how you can forget that Russia invaded the country, annexed the Crimea, and has a goon squad in a slice of the east?

Junk away Kremlin-bots!

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:55 | 6938605 Mike Masr
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The only goon squad in the east is the US sponsored neo-nazi Azov battalion sent there to liquidate Russian speaking civilians!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukrain...

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:56 | 6938606 flapdoodle
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Invaded? If Russia had invaded, they would have taken Kiev in a couple of weeks.

Russia "invaded" Ukraine like the US "bombed" ISIS possitions with 6700 air sorties...

What has actually happened is that Russia bombed ISIS in Syria and within 72 hours had done more damage against ISIS than the US had in 18 months.

And the other thing that happened is that the US Deep State with the help of Mossad orchestrated a coup in Ukraine, and then NATO invaded Ukraine.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:00 | 6938615 Mike Masr
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How can you tell if Russia has really invaded Ukraine?

http://cluborlov.blogspot.ru/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-has...

 

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:49 | 6938749 nevertheless
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You have to just love the internet, speaking truth to absolute ignorance. Even in bat shit crazy America, the truth about the Crimean people voting to join Russia filters in. From NPR, Fox, CNN, MSNBC, they have been demonizing Russia ever since Putin locked up his first Jewish Oligarch, they are scared to death he will start a trend. I would love to see George Soros, Heim Saban, Sheldon Adleson and many many more zionist filth give back their ill gotten gains. 

 

But when you control the media, you can get away with a lot.

 

The internet is causing the zionist great concern, they no longer own the truth, the internet is a light shining upon their wicked deeds and plans, the question is, how long will they let us have it? 

 

They are just lucky the internet was not around when the last great President was assassinated, JFK. 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:15 | 6938646 Baby Bladeface
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"

Not sure how you can forget that Russia invaded the country, annexed the Crimea, and has a goon squad in a slice of the east?"

And explain how others possible to remember events only inside your troubled mind occurred?

Unfortunately I'm not a doctor, so to understand the different variations of delirium does not allow me qualification. Seek help from a doctor to a psychiatrist in a community mental health clinic, pre-printed on paper of A-4 format, what you write before. It is possible that it is essentially you and tell you.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:22 | 6938661 I AM SULLY
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You're a "cocaine genius" ...

(jm)

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 13:16 | 6939662 Allen_H
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Not sure how you can forget how Amerikkka invaded the country, let the people of Crimea vote to go back to Russia, and the right sector goon squad of the NATO has a slice of the West?

Trash away Mordor-bots!

Fixed it for you, you Welcome :)

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:51 | 6938595 Mike Masr
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Russia did not "take" Ukraine, Here is the bullet summary:


1. The US sponsors the coup in Kiev, US puppet regime takes over.
2. Puppet regime passes legistation hostile to Russian speakers (about 40% of Ukraine’s population and almost all of Crimea)
3. Crimea votes to leave Ukraine, something they had tried to do several times since 1994
4. Crimean parliament votes to join Russia, Russian Duma agrees.

If one respects the UN Charter on the Rights of Self Determination, everything is fine. Crimeans are happy. No one died. Textbook case of how it should be done.

Russia did not "annex" Crimea, because Crimea reunified with Russia voluntarily after a referendum.

More:
http://tass.ru/en/politics/843095

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:00 | 6938616 Chris Dakota
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Putin being trolled.

Same as Hitler was in Poland.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:08 | 6938631 jm
jm's picture

What is observed and actually happened doesn't matter when lying means nothing. 

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:17 | 6938651 Baby Bladeface
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Explains your comments.

Understand the constant lies is the basis of any of the surge pro-western bottom feeders.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:33 | 6938699 jm
jm's picture

You and your kind are paid to lie. 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:38 | 6938718 Baby Bladeface
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You dull, dill, really uninteresting.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:41 | 6938725 nevertheless
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I think we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black: you comment about Russia invading Crimea is pretty hasbara trolly don't you think? 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:51 | 6938753 jm
jm's picture

The honest people who aren't just paid whores that approve of Putin's actions admit he annexed the Crimea.

There is nothing hasbara about this. Dullards fall back on blaming Jews for everything simply because they have nothing else to stand on but hatred.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 16:58 | 6940674 The Chief
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You are a traitor to all the peoples of Earth. Your zio masters cant save themselves from the gallows, especially with students/lackeys like you doing their bidding.

It gives me a bit of joy everytime I think about it.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:20 | 6938656 TheSheepWolf
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We know quite well how democratic the Russia can be... not sure if this was the case, but many EE countries can tell you long stories about it.... 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:58 | 6938777 Amun
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A Kagan - King of the Chazars, "In 679 the Chazars chaghan of the Chazars and his grandees, together with a large number of his heathen people, embraced the Jewish religion."

Kaganovich - son of a Kagan

Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (Kogan) - head of the GULAG concentration camps in Russia and "Butcher of Ukraine" Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (Kogan), of Jewish descent, was born in Kubany, near Kiev, Ukraine, in 1893.

"The resulting state-organized forced famine, was a planned genocide and killed 7,000,000 Ukrainians between 1932 and 1933, and inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan."

 
http://www.rense.com/general11/stal.htm

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVrNet_eC_I

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:39 | 6938713 nevertheless
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Funny how arch zionist George Soros does not get named every-time Ukraine is brought up, maybe he should pay the $3 billion, take it out of the blood money/extortion we pay Isrehell.

 

We live in the west, the most controlled propagandized peoples on the planet. "Democracy" only is real if we say so, a leader is only a tyrant if we say so, borders are only where WE say they are, and genocide happens only when we say it does... 

 

The filth that masters the West, have made morality, truth, justice, relative terms. We, all of us, have allowed zionists to basically turn this world into a big cash machine, and anything that gets in the way of making money is "bad".

 

We live in monetized world, where money is the ONLY metric, and it is only getting worse. 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:52 | 6938597 X_Weatherman
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Not only are they crooks, but they are OUR crooks.

 

Which makes US crooks.

 

Not that that was hard to tell before we overthrew their government.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:18 | 6938652 flapdoodle
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Actually, they are *not* our "crooks"., They are Tel Aviv's crooks.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:30 | 6938686 nevertheless
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Exactly...whenever anyone says "Washington" they should actually be saying Tel Aviv, it should be considered a euphemism. I mean just look at both parties, all they do is grovel at the feet of Israel, yet for some mystical reason, that groveling and pandering never translates into the idea that they actually control our politics, and more. Of course when you control the banks, and the media, you control the information. 

 

 

 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:53 | 6938599 WTFUD
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Why can't Ukraine become Greater Israel so that we can all live in Peace? heavy sarc

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:26 | 6938678 Amun
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Under the Russian Tzars it was home to the biggest population claiming to be jews and hence de-facto a Greater Israel.

It is questionable for those statistics to be fully true as they would include Chazars, who are not semitic people, but pseudo-jewish Turko_Mongoloid pagan race who adopted judaism out of fear for being militarily squeezed between christias and muslims.

There are some unconfirmed claims of much assimilarion between Ashkensy and Chazars as only viable historic explanation as to why Ashkensy numbers were so suddenly and inexplicably high in the Eastern Europe whilst at the same time  millions of Chazars seem to have "disappeared" , i.e. claims that Chazars/non-semites have been hiding under Ashkenasy identity. But those are just academic claims...

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:32 | 6938697 Amun
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http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4279-chazars

"In 679 the Chazars subjugated the Bulgars and extended their sway farther west between the Don and the Dnieper, as faras the head-waters of the Donetz in the province of Lebedia (K. Grot, "Moravia i Madyary," St. Petersburg, 1881; J. Danilevski and K. Grot, "O Puti Madyars Urala v Lebediyu," in "Izvyestiya Imperatorskavo Russkavo Georaficheskavo Obshchestva," xix.). It was probably about that time that the chaghan of the Chazars and his grandees, together with a large number of his heathen people, embraced the Jewish religion. According to A. Harkavy ("Meassef Nidda?im," i.), the conversion took place in 620; according to others, in 740. King Joeph, in his letter to ?asdai ibn Shaprut (about 960), gives the following account of the conversion:

(see Harkavy, "Soobshchenija o Chazarakh," in "Yevreiskaya Biblioteka," vii. 153)

"Some centuries ago King Bulan reigned over the Chazars. To him God appeared in a dream and promised him might and glory. Encouraged by this dream, Bulan went by the road of Darlan to the country of Ardebil, where he gained great victories [over the Arabs]. The Byzantine emperor and the calif of the Ishmaelites sent to him envoys with presents, and sages to convert him to their respective religions. Bulan invited also wise men of Israel, and proceeded to examine them all. As each of the champions believed his religion to be the best, Bulan separately questioned the Mohammedans and the Christians as to which of the other two religions they considered the better. When both gave preference to that of the Jews, that king perceived that it must be the true religion. He therefore adopted it"."

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:53 | 6938600 Major Epeen
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Wait until they try to default on the IMF loans.....

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:44 | 6938732 X_Weatherman
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No such thing as default.  Before default comes asset surrender--- so you don't have to default and ruin your credit rating. Then, "What else you got that WE want?

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 12:38 | 6939509 Bankster Kibble
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What else?  Hmm . . .   there used to be a nice new airport west of Donetsk, but it got in the way of some Kiev shells, might be a "fixer-upper" now.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 08:59 | 6938611 iClaudius
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Putin should ask for a receipt for Crimea.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:26 | 6938676 nevertheless
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Or, or, maybe you should ask the people of Crimea, you know the ones that are ethnically Russian. 

 

Interesting how the West can redraw borders for entire regions like the Middle East, steal land and give it to Eurotrash Jews for Isrehell, yet a nation like Russia can't stop filth like George Soros from building a Nazi regime right on Russia's door step. Simply amazing. 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:38 | 6938714 iClaudius
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Perhaps you misunderstood.

Crimea is a part of Russia, it has been for over 300 years.
It was a bureaucratic convenience during the communist years that control over it was handed to Ukraine and a historic tragedy that it wasn't taken back when the USSR was dissolved.

It has been historically, and still is, a strategic weak point, hence the neo-cons interest in Ukraine and Crimea. They knew exactly what they were, and are, doing.

My comment was simply flippant humor.

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 10:02 | 6938787 Savyindallas
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Kruschev was Ukrainian  -He made Crimea part of Ukraine, never imagining it would all dissolve decades later and Crimea would have to go back to Mother Russia. 

Fri, 12/18/2015 - 09:01 | 6938619 hangemhigh77
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Just roll the tanks Vlad and nuke DC while you're at it and set the American people free from these lying thieving treasonous bastards.

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