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Obama Finally Commits To Putin's Syrian Policy - Yet Continues Violating It
Authored by Eric Zuesse,
The basic policy-difference on Syria has been between U.S. President Barack Obama’s insistence that Syria’s legal President must be ousted before any peace-process starts, versus Russian President Vladimir Putin’s insistence that no foreign power possesses the right to determine whom the leader of Syria or any other country will or won’t be - only the residents there do, via free and fair democratic elections. Putin proposes an internationally monitored and verified election in Syria to determine the identity of Syria’s President; Obama has rejected that proposal - until now.
The world’s most-reliably honest and accurate news-medium, Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten, or German Economic News, reports, on December 19th, three major articles about the latest stages of Obama’s newfound verbal commitment to Putin’s policy. They are all summarized here, with factual corrections added by me, because no news-source is 100% reliable:
“UN-Sicherheitsrat verabschiedet Syrien-Resolution einstimmig” or “UN Security Council Adopts Syria-Resolution Unanimously,” reports that the U.N. Security Council has unanimously adopted a resolution that “essentially corresponds to the Russian proposals of the past few weeks”; and, so, "the international community concludes a combined joint action for a cessation of [Syrian] hostilities.” And: "US Secretary of State John Kerry said after the Security Council meeting chaired by him, that the resolution will send 'a clear message to all concerned that it is now time to stop the killing in Syria’.” However, actually, it’s not merely "Russian proposals of the past few weeks,” because as far back as 6 June 2012, Bloomberg News had headlined, “Russia Open to Syria Transition in Shift Away From Assad,” and reported that, "While Russia for the first time sees a change of government in Syria as possible via a series of steps, it remains adamant that the outcome not be imposed from outside, according to a Russian official not authorized to speak publicly on this matter. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov said yesterday that his country has never insisted on Assad staying in power and a decision on his future must be taken by the Syrians themselves, state-run Rossiya 24 television said on its website.” (More recently, the Guardian on September 15th reported that former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari went public saying that the West’s "failure to consider the Russian [2012] offer had led to a ‘self-made disaster’." So: this has been Russia’s position consistently since that time (not only “the past few weeks”), and it is only now being accepted (at least verbally) by the regime in Washington, and their toadies in other ‘Western’ countries. (I had first reported on Obama’s change of position on this November 15th, and reported further on it December 15th.)
“UN-Friedensplan für Syrien: Das Verdienst der viel geschmähten Russen” or "UN peace plan for Syria: The merit of the much maligned Russians,” opines that “It speaks [favorably] for the US government [i.e., Obama] that it [he, via his subordinate John Kerry] has listened to Vladimir Putin” in this matter. This article summarizes the history by saying that "the Russians have said from the outset that they will not compete against the USA, but want to fight alongside the Western alliance against Islamist terrorism. The plan for an 18-month transitional period, as it has now been decided by the UN, comes from the Russians. They also have, contrary to the Western popular fiction, from the very beginning said that they do not want to hold on to Assad.” However, that slightly misstates Putin’s position, which has instead been: Russia will insist upon the next Syrian President’s being selected only by the Syrian population, regardless of what their choice might happen to be. To say that “they [the Russian government] do not want to hold on to Assad” is to imply that Putin wouldn’t prefer that the outcome of a democratic election in Syria result in the election of Assad or someone like him (i.e., non-sectarian, and especially not pro-Sunni, which would mean anti-Shiite, which would include anti-Iranian, pro-Arabic, meaning here also being pro-U.S.-aristocracy, a pawn of Washington), which is to make a misleading, and even false, statement. (Even the best news-medium isn’t perfect, as these examples clearly show. But at least DWN tries its best to be truthful, whereas the norm in the Western press is instead to lie whenever necessary in order to keep up the Western — basically America’s — aristocracy’s anti-Russian propaganda-line.)
“Trotz Friedens-Plan: Nato schickt Kriegsschiffe in das Mittelmeer” or "Despite peace plan: NATO sends warships into the Mediterranean Sea,” reports that, "Despite the UN peace plan for Syria, NATO stepped up its military presence in the Mediterranean area. NATO announced that it would support Turkey in the monitoring of the airspace at the border with Syria. Given the uncertain situation, the representatives of the alliance had decided to help, said NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Friday. NATO would provide, inter alia, AWACS aircraft. In addition, the monitoring on the Mediterranean Sea will be increased by German and Danish military vessels.” Along with that comes their editorial opinion, which is unwarranted: this article opines that the NATO move somehow "shows that the US government is only partially able to control the alliance. NATO has now opened so many fronts that it is possible for the government in Washington barely to make informed decisions.” The editors’ inference and implication there, that Obama couldn’t have prevented NATO from doing this, is almost certainly false. I therefore shall here engage in my own editorializing, by asserting that progressives throughout the world (such as the owners of DWN seem to be) almost consistently exhibit an unstated underlying assumption that Obama isn’t really set upon the U.S. aristocracy’s decades-long effort and intention to conquer, to take control of, Russia. That assumption flies in the face of Obama’s actual record.
“Linkspartei: Nach UN-Einigung Bundeswehr-Einsatz in Syrien stoppen” or "Left Party says UN agreement requires Germany’s military mission in Syria to stop,” reports that Germany’s Party of the Left asserts: "New troops would run counter to the peace plan.” Here is the rest of that brief article:
The chairman of the Left Party, Bernd Riexinger, said:
"I very much welcome that after nearly five years we finally take concrete steps toward peace negotiations in Syria. The federal government must now immediately stop with all its might the Bundeswehr war deployment. Hundreds of millions would be tax money now spent for a German war effort to thwart the peace plan of the United Nations. Federal Foreign Minister Steinmeier also must speak out for an internationally supervised arms embargo.
Apart from peace negotiations and cease-fire agreements in Syria and an internationally monitored arms embargo strengthening nonviolent working organizations, humanitarian assistance to the civilian population and reconstruction assistance by armed groups, free regions and self-government structures are necessary. Everyone knows that there is no quick solution to the existing conflicts in the Middle East. Above all, there is no military solution."
So: Germany’s right-wing Chancellor, Angela Merkel, is receiving pressure from a marginal leftist Party, to abandon the American anti-Assad war. Both Merkel and her master, Obama, are, in their decisions of action and of inaction, trying to do whatever they can to carry out the U.S. aristocracy’s objectives, even if they can’t say publicly that they still are trying to find some way to defeat Putin, and, in Syria, to block the Syrian election that Putin has been pressing for. Because, as every knowledgeable person knows, but the Western ‘news’ media prefer to ignore when they don’t come right out with lies denying it: any free and fair internationally monitored and verified election in Syria will almost certainly choose Bashar al-Assad by a huge margin, to lead the country. Most Syrians - even many Syrian Sunnis - prefer a non-sectarian leader, not the type that the U.S. and Saudi aristocracies want to impose there to defeat Russia.
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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity
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Obama is one big Lying Pile of Black Shit. 1/2 Pile of black shit actually...
Putin can smell bull shit a half content away. Fucking morons
The Primary Ruse of the Puppet POTUS will be a repeat of the 2000 US National Election of George Bush in Florida.
That is the refugee disaspora may have been designed to get the middle class out of Syria and under the control of the EU / USA so that the absentee ballots can be counted the same way as the Hanging Chads. This will be key - the vote will not be only those in country but to include those who left the country under some spurious trumped up criteria
Rig the election with phony citizens / bribed voters with dual citizenship (EU / Syria), rigged vote counts. Under the equivalent of monitor like Jeb Bush in 2000!
The German BND has been tasked with finding a potential candidate within the opposition groups that is prepared to become a US sstooge and sell out his country.
Cut the black guy some slack. Wtf do you expect him to do when even the white folks are utterly bossed by the blood sucking jew?
I mean Bush was the same. You cant really blame obama. At least he tried to stand up to the jews at the very beginning. Problem for him was that then he took on the mighty jude as well as all the white folk who utterly detest him for being black and a 'suspected' muzza. If he was really a muzza, juden would NEVER have allowed him anywherenear the Whithouse.
How many deaths at the hands of the US, overtly, covertly or by proxy since Obamination got his Nobel?
Rumour has it he is particularly fond of weddings and funerals - keeps General Atomics sweet.
Rig the election with phony citizens
Why would one do that when it's so much easier to change their vote electronically. If you don't know who Mike Connell was then you don't know what i'm talking about(hint:dead men tell no tales).
Obama sumarized in just one picture:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=963767723689971&set=a.1068694360...
Putin Goes Ballistic In Syria, Obliterates The USA’s Secret ‘Mideast Strategy’
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=23524
Putin came to power under the control of blood sucking Jews, just like Obama did. He still faced this disadvantage and defended his people like a proper leader, Putin is made of far sterner stuff than Obama is. Putin is an example of what being your own man means, Obama is far from being his own man, or even being a man. When looking at the failed systems and policies we all have to contend with you always have to account for the failed personalities that contribute to their propagation.
The Putin's adventure in Syria is a disaster:
- After spending all his efforts and money in Syria fighting CIA & Turkey-controlled ISIS, Syrian army is marginally successful. Although, it did save the Assad government from immediate collapse.
- Russia & Iran cooperation Syria is not in response. Iran did not commit any additional ground forces to Syria. Without Iranian ground forces in Syria, Assad cannot survive.
-At the last week the US Security Council adapted a resolution (with votes from US, its NATO allies and Russia) calling for establishment of a transitional government in Syria. Putin followed with a statement that US and Russia objectives in Syria coincide. Consequently, Putin is ready to "trade" Syria for reducing the present US/EU sanctions against Putin personally and friendly to him Russian oligarchy.
- The US-Turkey operation in shooting down Russian plane was highly successful. Putin was tested and he lost. Now, Turkey has a "green light" to invade Syria using its ground forces since Putin has no more economic sanctions against Turkey and a military response against a NATO member is not an option for Putin.
- As for Russia "super-duper" air defense systems deployed around Syria, they have done NOTHING to defend Syrian capital Damask against constant Israeli air attacks.
The bottom line: Prostitutin is a POS, a Zionist puppet, and an "angel of hope" for ZH imbeciles!
Crawl back under your rock. No potato for you today...
What do you mean, "cut him some slack?" He's been given slack, and cover, every day for 10 years. W had his warts (Hank Paulson), but don't ever say he was the same as the lying POS. And, he really is a muslim. And since he did get into the White House, maybe, just maybe, your premise about the joos pulling those strings, is flawed.
Yes, you are right!
I have thought this too. All those "refugees" will be anti-assad votes.
If the people of the World (and the beleaguered citizens of America) have learned one thing over the past 25 years it is this: do NOT trust the U.S.A.! It is ruled by banks/corporations/insurers and the Military Industrial Complex.
Not many people welcomed Rome, even fewer want to welcome the New Rome.
Beleaguered my ass. If you took a leaf out of the Palestinians book you would have sorted this shitout in no time. Even littlle girls will fearlessly attack the blood suckers armed with only a potato peeler.
You fuckers even have guns.....not for long though.
Anyway, you fucks will go the way of the Pallies, no doubt about that. Your police has been trained by the army of satan since about 2005. Your blood is being sucked dry.
Do you think you can trust Putin or Russia also ? Putin is a guy full ressentment and just strive to make the world a more militarized one, with his aggressive stance. Stop bashing the USA, they don't deserve such treatment.
nuke jew york
17 days on ZH?????? Hang around awhile kiddo, and get yourself an education. It'll be worth the next several years at your U., and then some!!!!
Child, the aggressor is your direct employer, i.e., the U.S. Department of State.
HoserF16, Obama is one big Lying Pile of Black Shit. 1/2 Pile of black shit actually...
You let your intellect biases and lack of historical knowledge embarrass you.
Google Reagan and first Bush’s lies and broken words to Gorbachev.
US is the boss of the world since 1944. It does whatever it wants.
http://liberalslikechrist.org/+Reasonable/Reagan.html
You do realize that you didn't present an argument, don't you? You accuse others, yet are too ideologically blinded to be embarrassed yourself. You should have said "Yes he is, but it is nothing new - cite".
PS - when citing, choosing a website a little less obvious than "liberalslikeChrist" (see what I did there?) might get you further. I am sure Zuesse would approve, yet that means little. Better luck next time.
Well, let’s pick another date: 1830’s
….Adams (John Quincy Adams) lied through his teeth to Congress.
http://chomsky.info/20080424/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Wars
So, how is that for presenting an argument?
Or, would care to pick a date? Or a President for an argument?
ESL? I will unpack it slowly for you. The commenter made a hyperbolic statement about Obama being a liar. He presented an opinion as fact, based upon the article we are discussing. He did not say that Obama is an outlier, he did not hold out any other President as an example of virtue. You got butthurt at the perjorative, and reflexively offered up some misdirection. I grew up being taught that Washington never lied. I assure you I am beyond that.
Bendromeda Strain,
HoserF16 post was loaded with bigotry and anger.
Then, what does he mean by 1/2 Pile of black shit actually? Does it mean because Obama’s mother was white the other half is white shit (lie)?
Second, if HF16 had used US President (the office) instead of the President skin color, my bet is that, he would not have written/made that statement.
"Google Reagan and first Bush’s lies and broken words to Gorbachev."
Exactly.
https://tobefree.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/ifyouthinkeverythingwillbeo...
Obama is one big Lying Pile of Black Shit
So is Eric Zuesse, regardless of skin color, but he did find an acorn this time.
Obama's just like Fed and Yellen "no more more QE, but they still QE on the sly". They're all liars.
Should read:
Obama Pays Lip Service To Putin's Syrian Policy - Yet Continues Violating ItThe agenda rolls on unabated......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...
Spambot your problem is that you're stupid and completely unable to execute commands. I told you to fuck off.
I have to say that Mr Putin is,clearly, the leading world leader today. And that he said something nice about Mr Trump was very much appreciated. In the Ukraine he acted to protect Russian ethnics who were being threatened by a Jewish-led mob who had OVERTHROWN BY VIOLENCE the duly elected government of the Ukraine. Putin is a throwback to when leaders LED.
Obama on the other hand, well...
Obama is a puppet, here are the puppet masters:
Rahm Emanuel is the same Israeli who ran the White House under Bill Clinton, although he did not have the chief of staff position. Emanuel has controlled Obama for years.
Rahm Emanuel, who is named after a Lehi (Stern Gang) terrorist named Rahamim Cohen, and David Axelrod have been working together since 1984 when they teamed up to help Paul Simon (Mr. Bowtie) defeat Sen. Charles Percy (R-Ill.).
These two Zionists spearheaded the campaign to put Barack Obama into the White House. Axelrod and Emanuel, however, were being supported by a much higher Zionist -- Bettylu Saltzman, the only daughter of the super-Zionist Philip Klutznick.
Axelrod has been creating and shaping Candidate Obama for more than 16 years. "Axelrod met Obama when the senator was 30 years old and coordinating a voter-registration drive in Chicago and Bettylu Saltzman, a doyenne of progressive politics in Chicago, suggested that the two get to know each other," the New York Times reported in early 2007. "In the 15 years since, Axelrod has worked through Obama's life story again and again, scouring it for usable political material.
Bettylu Saltzman has been supporting and financing Obama's political career since 1992, long before he ran for any office. In 1992, when Obama was 30 years old, Saltzman told Axelrod and others, "He will be our first black president.'' Saltzman then commissioned Axelrod to create Obama, the presidential candidate.
Christopher Bollyn, 06 November 2008
Don't pin all your hopes on Putin. He's just looking for the jews to cut him in. After all he has amassed $80bn and he feels he shouldn't be treated like just any other goyim.
At the moment, it is advantageous to juden for Putin to provide a dialectical conflict so that Israel can scurry away with the spoils after a war with USSA USSR. Public opinion was turning against the Israelis making it harder for the blood suckers to push their 'Israel is our ally' shit, so as ever, cue a big conflict with the brown donkey riders threatening the West riding on the back of donkeys.
But Putin is being clever, he is not making any moves. They just want him to start the nuking, but he's playing it cool - he doesn't want to go the way of Hitler. Essentially he will be provoked and provoked until he loses all hope at some point. Or, maybe they just cut him in - after all thats all he wants and then he'll play along with whatever (as he did since 9/11 up until just recently). An ordinary Russian fighting for the rights of other ordinary Russians? Give me a break! The guy is a fucking Oligarch with $80bn, hardly a power to the people kind of guy.
He's been sucking up to Kissinger all his life. He wants to be cut in. My guess, the juden will not cut him in because they want him to nuke the U.S. They kill off eachother, Israel stays really really quiet and walks away with EVERYTHING. Why would Israel want 2 Christian superpowers in the world when you can have NONE. Maybe they are also using Russia to tempt China into it as well. NO ONE can argue with all the taunting the U.S is doing around the globe... "WE WANT NUCLEAR WAR"
It's too far gone to stop now. As a muzza we rode in to the party, on the back of our goats, very late indeed. As a consolation, I guess, you guys are in just as bad shape despite having a lot more technology than goats. Also, it's made me quite religious now - only jesus can save us from the juew now.
"Why would Israel want 2 Christian superpowers in the world when you can have NONE"
Because the alternative for them in their region would be an Islamic caliphate.
And if there is one thing we can all agree on, none of us want that.
I dream of getting through just one day without hearing the words "muslim" or "Islam"
Missing the point there somewhat ...jewboy. All that sucking blood from baby penises has gone to your head this morning.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.644138
If we can't set up our caliphate in our own countries, on the back of donkeys, then I guess we can use the protection of Christian democracies to do it in their countries right?
Meanwhile you fuckers set up the Jew caliphate in our countries? Tell us more about your worldwide jewCaliphate?
Good plan. And it's working.
Oh my! the only pleasure I get these days is reading medieval European history. Now that's how you should deal with juden....
the last american president who was not a puppet was John F. Kennedy. Ambushed and killed in Texas by a group of corrupt, self centered bastards who called them selves patriots. ;-<
could this be jimmy carter's last mission? making sure no one interferes with assad's reelection?
America and Russia both have their own interests in Syria. Some of those interests overlap, as do the people pulling the strings in both countries. The matrix view is that one or the other -- America or Russia -- is the bad guy. The truth is that both are, if by America and Russia we mean their governments and those who control those governments. The Syrian government is also a bad guy.
Wtf is you point, besides that every one is bad?
For posters on ZH who claim to be outside the matrix, there is a whole fuck of a lot of matrix thinking. For example, many here support Trump because he "is hated by the media." Meanwhile, Trump is covered 24/7 by the media, and he wants to execute Snowden, increase spying, increase military spending, and so forth. Not to mention the Putin worship. The guy is not a freedom fighter just because he plays the role of anti-Obama. The idea that we should be cheering for either Obama's policies or Putin's policies in Syria is a joke. Both leaders have an agenda that has jack shit to do with the people of America, Russia or Syria, unless by people we mean oligarchs. I once thought that ZH was better than this shit. It seems to me that most here merely dislike the current leadership of the US, but don't have a clue about what is really wrong with it.
Drumpf will be no better than Sotero.
I think you have no idea what you are talking about. You seem to be lost.
Oh shit, I'm lost outside the carefully constructed box! I will grant you it's more comfortable inside.
Rather the truth outside of the matrix / box than the set of lies being perpetrated inside the matrix / box.
I like Putin for one thing, Xi of China too, because together those two tyrants are the counterbalance to those who oppose them --->> the US. With the ending of the cold war, the fall of the Berlin wall this balance was lost.
LTER is correct in stating this is about oligarchs and not the average person. You still believe in a "cult of personality" with these leaders; this is a mistake. Rarely are leaders statesmen, usually they are statists.
Rarely (if ever) do I agree with Rand but the cult of personality aspect of "a leader" (any leader) is dead on. It was true with Obama (until we stripped him naked for the world to see) it is also true with Putin and Trump is trying to build a personality cult of his own.
With great power comes the great responsibility to use it wisely AND sparingly, anything less becomes dictatorial.
ZH provides a place/topics for free minds to express themselves and like most readings one can discover (for themselves) nuggets of truth, possibilites, connections, considerations from around the globe that adds to our understanding our Johari Window. I appreciate the outside the box (outside the media box) discussions on ideas and events, bashing or over aggrandizing of people, not so much. Best to look around, not up at some hopium idea or person or thing as I prefer to be free to follow me, out of the ant line.
Yes, evolutionary change guided by each of us in our lives based on our local values rather than centrally-directed from 'leaders'.
No ideology and avoid all opinions about anything you don't know from personal experience or be able to trace to hard reality. E.g. opinions on 'Jews' or 'Muslims', you can't know enough to have good opinions on concepts like that without much study, and most haven't, so their opinions are used against them.
You and your critical thinking...
Edit: I'm rather worried ppl have downvoted you so much.
Your comment is most savvy and true. I've always respected your care for bucking the status quo and speaking freely. Oftentimes I've disagreed.
Trump can make Snowden to be anything he wants...villify him, lionize him...makes no difference, Trump will never be able to touch him. So, throw him under the bus and get the Snowden haters on board! Their votes count.
I look at Trump and I look at Hillary, and at least with Trump I know that the people whose turn it is to be horrified and outraged will be afflicted. Me, I expect nothing from any of them, but at least with Trump I get to laugh while I eat my popcorn.
"Obama's policies or Putin's policies in Syria is a joke"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this not basically the exact same position Putin took from the very beginning of the Syrian "Civil war"? Lavrov sought a political solution, even suggesting that President Assad could step down after resolving the differences with the opposition and holding elections back in 2011. The narrative from the US State Dept and the White House have changed annually, from condemnation to oscillating between regime change and outright murder of Assad.
In 2011, the Syrian police AND protesters were being gunned down by foreign snipers during the "Arab Spring". Several cells of presumed Mossad snipers were caught by the crowds during March-May 2011. Then by August 2011 Obama called for Assad to step down, the situation got worse with armed militants blowing up government officials culminating in the Syrian military fighting guerilla warfare in the streets of the major cities. Assad was accused of "war crimes" for fighting a growing foreign urban guerilla army. 2012-2013 saw a large influx of weapons and foreign Jihadists wreaking havoc, then the bullshit of Assad using chemical weapons on his own people just as the entire world's press was focused on the conflict with the UN and the press corp staying in the same area. On and on - after Senator McCain rubbed shoulders with Al Queda- flooding the country with money, CIA trained terrorists (From camps in Jordan), Qatari mercenaries and weapons. It was nothing less than a proxy invasion from Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel and the USA.
Throughout this show, Putin has been resolute and unwavering in the exact same narrative of, "Let the Syrian people decide their own fate". Yes, I'm sure the Russians want to keep the old Tartus naval base, yes I'm sure they would prefer to deal with Assad - that is neither a joke nor a dark secret - the Russians have been open and honest about it. If you believe there is another agenda, then please enlighten us.
It's telling that LTER usually never replies to such thoughtful, detailed posts. And if then only by picking a single factoid and (mis)interpreting it at will.
Thanks for taking the time to write your post.
LetThemEatRand, posters on ZH who claim to be outside the matrix...
It is ironic, but not surprising, the lack of intellect honesty and knowledge of US history by so many here.
Thanks for the Trump example and to bring it to the attention of us, readers.
Second, the goal here is not so much to converter some idiot and bigot, but, that the new readers of Zero Hedge, that are not familiar with these issues, that don’t have time to research these issues, are given the intellect to decode all the nonsense and biased propaganda by people that have no clue what they are talking about.
“ It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so.” — Will Rogers
biased propaganda by people that have no clue what they are talking about.
Pot meet kettle - no assembly required...
Well if the goal was to make America look stupid, this fucker has done a damned great job. Mission Accomplished.
He's got plenty more stupid
Funny thing is that I don't believe it's stupidity. I believe it's willful cunning.
"Willful cunning" requires at least some token traces of intelligence. That's not the case, here...
If it was stupid ,the odds would say that he would luck out on occaisson.
Instead he's batting all ducks(zeros).
Everything is going to plan,we just have no clue what the plan is, and probably
neither does Obozo.
I think the world makes most sense, especially the long series of ME moves, each making the situation worse, extending the wars and driving refugees into other countries, chaos to Europe now, from the POV of Israeli-Neocons who executed the 9/11 False Flag operation that killed 3K Americans, incuding 250 passengers on airplanes who were taken to a US AFBase and executed in cold blood.
They have to be a bit nervous, should 9/11 finally become a political event anywhere in the world. Peace anywhere means they hang.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/the-next-nuremberg-trials/
Putin may be our new enemy because he is a peaceful country who could run a war crimes trial. Has Russia signed those treaties?
That would be world leadership. Spain dipped their toe into that some time ago, the Judge was sacked, I recall.
lucky to catch an article where not too many comments have been made yet...I got something to say...All of you that keep blaming jews have no understanding...please stop..it is the rothchild zionists, and jews are a scapegoat and you fall for it. Do you know how long rothchilds have been around? wikipedia says close to 400 years, but they go back much longer than that. the jews got hung out to dry in WW2 and will be again...yes I know, jews own hollywood and I understand that, but all they are is no different than the rest of society, being a slave to the rothchilds, and the rothchild zionists give them fame and fortune...They are nothing but slaves...keep your eye on the jews so that you dont see the men behind the curtain...obama, clinton, bush, netanyahoo, etc all controlled by the rothchild zionists...it really is time to wake up ya all...they are satanic, blood sucking child molesting psychopaths and they control everything. the rate hike hurt small banks and helped big banks...they will figure out a way to stop you from getting rich off you silver and gold.. they will take your food and water..learn and find the cause of the cancer, the stupid jews have no clue, just like most of society...When the rothchilds are done with israel they will discard them like a used condem..but jews dont care because they can live the good life for now, but their children will suffer massive, and even their fellow brothers will suffer..jews breath chemtrails, jews get cancer from GMO, jews are stupid, but they are not the problem except that they go along with the rothchild zionist agenda. which will destory them just as Jesus said. ok then, I wont speak of this again, just had to share what I feel is truth.
well said.
He speaks with 'Forked Tongue'. I refer to Obama.
And on RT there is an article where Kerry just said that Assad cannot remain. That he is not the long term solution and is a "magnet" for terrorist.
They are just playing games with Putin. Like when they recently bombed a Syrian military base and then said Putin must have done it.
The ZH articles recently posted that the US conceeded anything in Syria (and humilitated) are very premature.
Putin's either stupid (unlikely) or he's bluffing. We all know what happens when Muslims are allowed to vote -- the most fanatical Muslims win the election and proceed to kill anyone who's not a Muslim or not as fanatical as themselves. Moderates support extremists out of piety, and extremists kill moderates out of piety.
I don't think Putin is either stupid or bluffing. The oligarchs have figured out that the way to gain full control is to empower and unleash the fanatical muslims and allow them to create chaos. Out of chaos comes order of the new world variety.
They may have thought that at first, but they see that creating "order" afterwards is a problem. See Libya, Egypt, Ukraine, Iraq. Can't say the follow through is working too well.
I worry. How long until other countries unite and implement the same regime change tactics in North America. Just imagine Russia create an Alaskan and Canadian Arctic Native People's rebel army, or a New Azteca Mestizo rebel military brigade. It wouldn't be too difficult finding people wanting to unite and remove the Obomber "regime".
With the country rotting from the inside why waste good bullets ?
Just hack and close down the EBT system, then sit back and watch what happens in the next week.
Thats what I'd do.
Your assertion an absurdity.
Syrian presidential election of 2014 disproves your claim.
My Serbian neighbor, who likes Putin - like many Americans I told him, says Putin wants Syria just for Ports and Pipelines. Easy to remember PPP - Putin Pipelines Ports. I think it would be more difficult for Obama to have the CIA pull some strings in Syria like they did in the Ukraine. For Obama to prop up some dummy as Syrian President, he would have to go through Putin. And we all know that a man who can score 8 goals in a fierce Russky hockey game is not going to be a pushover for Obama. (OK, I will concede Putin may have only scored 7 goals).
Bottomline O his minions Kerry and Nuland got got whacked
'16 the time when Damascus will not be anymore?
The stupidity is being used to justify "boots on the ground"...
Obungus Maximous, is playing with fire. Congress is done with his unilateral speculations...
Israel just targeted a Hezbollah leader in Damascus. Perhaps they were feeling left out of the fun and games.
https://www.rt.com/news/326564-damascus-explosion-jaramana-reports/
Oddly enough, free and fair elections only seem to happen these days when there are Russian soldiers about to keep Wall Street from rigging them.
No deal unless Barry agrees to let Russian troops monitor the polls---which he certainly will not, because he knows Assad would win a free and fair election.
The next president of Syria??
"Yats is our man."
Obama reluctant to bomb ISIS traing camps .... fears collateral damage .... to instructors ?
Congratulations the blind squirrel an acorn has found.
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I'm pretty sure Putin wont be fooled again by Kerry & Co as he was with Libya.
Putin was not in charge during the Libyan incident.
Many believe Medvedev acted aginst the Russian interest during the incident as President.
Russians lost respect for Medvedev since then.
Washington knows Putin is no fool. This ruse is actually a play to the Brussel gallery. Washington will try to prevent Brussel and Moscow getting too close. The hidden agenda is to replace "Assad must go" with "Putin must go" propaganda. Washington believes Burssel's weak-kneed politicians will welcome this timely straw
Someone needs to take their stinky dinky back to Chicago and get a Rom Job. Shazzam!
I heard they were casting for a reality show about the past presidents and how they rose to power in the drug and money laundering, gun running gigs. Ollie North is the host. But then, they don't want a wet blanket. Obviously Hillary thought that after this idiot was in office, we the people would vote for her stupid ass. Sloppy seconds. That's just not what people do to get elected, right? The filth on these people is disgusting.
"Please, Vladimir, just the tip!" Does not make for good foreign policy, Barry. What does make for good foreign policy is Syria telling the US and NATO, including France, to stay the fuck out of it's airspace unless and until they are given permission to penetrate it, as Vladimir can and is doing. No means no. Ok? Got that?
Serial murder is alright when the President says so. Is that it? That shit is alright? What would happen if the next President used the powers of the American Military to defend itself against the foreign interests of the federal reserve, cut off israel and forget them, outlaw dual citizenship in government Stop illegal immigration, stop drug imports...
Everything that happens is allowed, permitted, encouraged for the benifit of a few to profit from it. That's all. That's the American Way and I'm ashamed of it. But my kids are going to Oberlin! Aren't they precious?
We thought about Welsley but it's for dykes.
UK, France and Germany are allied with Russia against Da'esh/ US.
The banker 'suicides' and the Da'esh 'terrorist attacks', are both co-ordinated threats against the possibility of bankers being sent to jail.
The governments are sick of them and are on the 'good team'. Not US obviously, but elements of the Pentagon.
After Da'esh is gone, then the crash can happen.
Syrian rebels to Russia: Stop bombing us
'At least 40' killed after Russian airstrike hits popular marketplace in Syrian town controlled by rebelsYou forgot, ship more MIC armament to foster social division.
Fugazi - Long Division
It's a long time coming,
It's a long way down,
It's long division,
Crack and divide.
This is a parting,
Some separation,
We lay in pieces,
Cracked to survive.
I'm not your villain,
Not your adversary,
I'm not your reason to crack and divide.
It's long division,
Crack and divide.
Ian is a genius. Watch the liberal crowd approach him. completely detached from society
An Interview with Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat/Dischord Records
Ah, ah, viedoklis newsoutlet message Latvian potato troll, somehow you missed important recent development:
Russian MoD names the FSA groups it is working with
...and allow me a copypaste, not in your style but a brief excerpt:
Now, atmasko, for you more toilets to clean, back to work!
Obama is a POS
G Edward Griffin - More Deadly Than War - The Communist Revolution in America
The White Chimp with the tacit blessing of his handler(s) will continue to poke the Bear in the eye up to and including the parading of dead American soldiers, sailors and marines if they are even able to retreive them in a conflict that isn't a conflict between the two super powers... Right?...
Lest we forget Ukraine and all the fine dead young mercs and special forces American service men that gave their lives in 2014 to protect our freedoms so freedom is safe at home!
Remember this a war on ISIL and "terror"... And that is all Russia will ever have to say when they start killing more Americans as they already have among the "Jihadi "dead in Russia's air campaign and Iran's ground force "mop up"!
Your just not hearing about them and never will until the aimless leadership that continues to hemmorhage both bodies with the will and money since 9/11 come up with the ultimate plan to tell the World that Russia is ISIL!
Ain't paper derivative debt fun!!!
Yep, Ukraine is were the dirty Zionist Jews reside. It got a little unsettled when the exposure became a GPS location. I think many hiked back to Tel Aviv.
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It's the NATO "goy" contingent doing all of the "dirty jobs" as per the usual...
Israel cherry pics the ones they know they can do that will make them look good in a movie like "Raid on Entebbe"...
Might as well include the U.S. military to the Zionist Jew pusillanimous contingent. That's why you have Hollywood marshmellow(s) like "American Sniper" as an endorsement of how tough the American military is....
Channeling the most decorated American special forces GUY EVER... Chris Kyle where are ya brotha!
Them Spetsnaz boys is eatin us asshole to mouth!! Send reinforcements SOON!!!
Speaking of motherfucking coward of coward(s)...
He gets his ass handed to him in Moscow and capitualtes... Then the "Winter Soldier" extraordinaire pouts for a few hours trolling the city for an American donut shop before going home with his tail between his legs and as soon as his feet are firmly on home plate repeats the mantra!
Just like the Kikes in Tel Aviv!!!
Wasting no time... Figures someone from the John Birch society would be working with Langley sooner or later?...
Once an honest man identifies a psychopathic liar whom he cannot ostracise but is forced to deal with, a sort of "war" begins to take place. A patient and skilled honest man will use truth as his sword and justice as his sheild, the liar will use deception as his sword and temptation as his sheild. Putin is at war and he knows it. So far as I can see Putin has been conducting his role in the conflict in the manner of an honest man. I cannot comment on Obama because he is not his own man but a conduit through which other men operate in a clearly dishonest manner.
Short, clear, concise, and a comment that strikes deep into the problem between the East and the West.
I don't give a damn to Assad's future. However, i also understands, it's not up to me, to determine Assad's future.
It's syrian's rights.
And that's why i fully support's Putin stand on this matters..
Looks like Putin has thrown a huge monkey-wrench in the expansionist plans of several players in the region, and out-maneuvered them. No more 'Color Revolutions', no more 'Securing the Realm'; the big Russian bear has sat his arse down hard in the Middle East and the ground shook. He doesn't have to move, all he has to do is wait.
The Western economies are stretched to the breaking point, as is the US military, whose force has been wasted by all the stupid wars. Western leaders are facing civil unrest as the economic conditions worsen and from the threat of inundation by refugees harboring real anger at Western policies that caused them to flee their own countries. Lots of pots cooking up a mess; which one boils over first before the bear has to stand up again...and that only to take a dump.
Mischa the Bear has a still-resilient economy (despite Western Elite efforts, revenge for Putin tossing out its local agents - the Russian Oligarchs), enjoys a short supply train, courtesy of geography, and has lots of fresh troops motivated by a new-found sense of nationalism to send, and many local players can tell which way the geopolitical wind is now blowing, and are welcoming them. No amount of drones can replace boots on the ground, and increasingly the boots being worn are of Russian manufacture.
Kerry's Elite, the buggering Bohemian Grove Masters of The Universe, know this. Brzezinski's 'Grand Chessboard' has been upended by Putin, the chess pieces flying every which way. Reality is grudgingly sinking in. Unless the Elite have some overwhelming technical advantage they've been keeping up their sleeve that can totally nullify Russian war-making capability, they'll have to come around to the Russian point of view.
But not without something else happening. The Powers That Be still retain their arrogance and hubris from being in power so long they think it a law of nature. Count on them to do some really stupid Samson-in-the-Temple shite before this is all over.
If I had to choose who to be the champion to save western civilization between Putin or Oblowme, there's no question I vote Vlad.
BathHouse Barry is the Manchurian figurehead of all forces that seek to destroy our way of life and the Old World order, whomever pulls his puppet strings.
If it's the Jews/Zionists what could they ever hope to accomplish in such devastation and carnage?
They already control the world financial system and all the money, what's left to get that is worth the awful price?
"...what's left to get that is worth the awful price?"
Indeed.
The absolute power they need to prevent us hanging them for the 9/11 False Flag operation, of course.
9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America.
Obozo is a Arsonist & Fireman agent for the Panarchist's Hypocrocracy using smupid & smupidity as his ally & cover for his orchechestrated destruction of order. Ordo ab Chao is the latest craze in the this dystopic dysfunctional paradigm construct & matrix.
Obama is totally outclassed by Putin. History will show Putin to be a patient, by the rules leader. Obama = fail. I don't think Obama does anything on his own. He's just pushed out there by his handlers, and made to look competent by the media.
Just listen to Putin talk. It's a no brainer that he out classes ANY western 'leader' (central bank pawn).
The fact that the so called Syrian oppostion is against the Syrian peace deal tells it all.
They are US puppets and the US is even to stupid to understand that this negative cooperation from the US is obvious to anyone.
I can't wait for Trump to be president.
The US Deep State operates to its own rules.
It uses both sides of the political dialectic to always benefit and enrich itself.
It won't matter who gets elected.
The only change that will make a difference is the cutting of the US military budget by over 50%.
Otherwise, the trend will be for more of the same, more war, more chaos, more suffering.
Ahhhh.... if only the US government cared about fair elections in the US as much as they do in soverign nations........... oh to dream.
This administration is trying the rope a dope tactic while in a bear hug. The bluffs are feeble and amaturish at best.
Russia doesn't want to get bogged-down like various NeoCon Administrations in the U.S. are famous for. They just want to keep their access to the naval port there.It's basically similar to Crimea.The U.S. is always trying to lock Russia out of the global scene through poorly thought out actions by the CIA and State Department headed by far right wing NeoCon morons in control.It revolves around the Wolfowitz Doctrine and this idiotic belief system that the U.S. is still in a cold war against Russia.We've scene what NATO-U.S. led destruction of MiddleEast countries has done to the budget deficit of the U.S.It's a falacy to believe that you can make friends and trading partners in this way.I actually hope that the Fed put up interest rates high enough and bankrupts the U.S. Government.It'll stop this nonsense of being the global cop of the planet and this nazi-type exceptionalism belief.
Unless the US is exhausted, neutralized, or defeated, we are headed into WW3.
Our only hope is that the debt super cycle collapse that we are in now will abort the march to WW3.
However the oligarch button pushers will probably not accept diminution of their power.
I think the odds that we can turn the corner without WW3 is around 20%.
Does anyone here think the insufferable 'exceptional and indispensable' lunatics in the West will not keep escalating until the great catastrophe is upon us?
The people driving this from our side are our Israeli-Neocons and Israel.
We need to end their power for our own safety.
This was needs it's own space at the top of ZH
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2015/12/week-ten-of-the-russian-interv...
"Obama Finally Commits To Putin's Syrian Policy - Yet Continues Violating It"
Didn`t Putin get the memo?.......Obama lies......
oh I thought cabalA$$LickerLiarAddictObama committed suicide
you will see he will only act like a drugPusher'sNiggaBoy