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US "Accidentally" Blows Up 10 Iraqi Troops In First "Friendly Fire" Accident Of ISIS Fight
“It is not in doubt. ISIS is almost finished. They are weak. If only America would stop supporting them, we could defeat them in days.”
That’s a quote from Mustafa Saadi, a Shiite commander who participated in the fight to retake the ISIS-controlled Baiji refinery near Siniya, Iraq in October.
Saadi’s comments underscore the pervasive distrust among Iraqis when it comes to the US military presence in the country. For many, it makes no sense that the US military - which rolled up Saddam’s 400,000+ troop army in the space of just three weeks in 2003 - has been unable to rout Bakr al-Baghdadi’s forces. After all, Islamic State has just 30,000 fighters and the US has been bombing the group for 15 months. As firebrand Shiite politician Hanan Fatlawi put it earlier this year, “I can’t believe that the United States, with all of its weaponry, military intelligence and international sway, would have this much trouble taking out ISIS. It just doesn’t add up.”
("This over here just doesn't add up")
To be sure, The Pentagon would say it’s no surprise that the likes of Fatlawi would make those kind of allegations. After all, Fatlawi and other Shiite lawmakers in Baghdad are widely viewed as puppets of Iran. The Iranians do not recognize the legitimacy of any foreign troops in Iraq unless the fighters are loyal to the Ayatollah. Furthermore, the US has proven ineffective at battling Sunni extremists so Iran has nothing to lose by seeking to undermine support for the American presence in Iraq.
Of course it also doesn’t help that the US invaded and occupied the country and so, at the end of the day, a palpable sense of suspicion will always pervade relations between American troops and Iraqis.
Note also that Iran’s Shiite militias which fight alongside, and in some cases command, the Iraqi regular army have criticized US air support for being too little and very often too late when it comes to assisting in the ground fight against Islamic State.
Well to whatever degree Iraqis distrusted the American military on Thursday, they distrust it even more now because on Friday, the US “accidentally” blew up 10 Iraqi soldiers who called in an airstrike near Fallujah (which is held by ISIS).
“Ten Iraqi soldiers have been killed in what may have been the first friendly fire incident of the war against ISIS,” CBS reports, adding that “Central Command said it had acted on requests and information provided by Iraqi security forces on the ground near Fallujah.”
"Coalition air forces had carried out two strikes, enabling Iraqi soldiers to advance rapidly and engage jihadists in close combat," BBC recounts. Apparently, the strikes were necessary because bad weather had inhibited the Iraqi army's ability to operate attack helicopters. "A third coalition strike carried out without taking into account the distance that had been covered resulted in casualties among our forces too," Iraqi officials said.
Here's what Defense Secretary Ash Carter had to say:
“It’s regrettable [but] these kinds of things happen when you're fighting side by side as we are. The airstrike Friday has all the indications of being a mistake of the kind that can happen on a dynamic battlefield. I hope Iraqis will understand that this is a reflection of things that happen in combat. But it's also a reflection of how closely we are working with the government."
See there Iraqis? Your suspicions are clearly unfounded.
You thought the US might not be committed to helping you fight ISIS, but as Ash Carter will patiently explain to you, The Pentagon is willing to prove how "closely the US is working" with your government by killing ten of your troops.
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Must have been in a hospital.
Must have been fighting against ISIS
Must have been a wedding party.
In any case, it turned into a funeral.
Ok just a couple of points on NATO.
One of the biggest concerns of any NATO military is having the Americans fighting from behind it. They are incompetent, and far more likely to hit you than the enemy. The US military is all bullshit and bluster, all wind and piss, and like any conscript army, too big to modernise by far.
In any war with the Russians NATO has idiots behind us blowing Nato forces up, and fighting with weapons which are the result of a political compromise. In front of us we are fighting an authoritative enemy that builds and maintains weapons systems that work, because they work.
The first time that NATO goes all in in a war with Russia it loses. The kit doesn't work because problems in its design were fudged for a political settlement. Russia knows this. We create jobs, they create weapons.
Once the financial system is dismantled, Nato gets its arse handed to it. Period.
And as history has recorded, a great many of our young men die because of it.
Dunkirk was not a victory.
.... all good points, two weddings and a funeral ...... god help the first responders {double tap and all that}
Yes the bulk of the US military might does well when it's just a matter of kill anything that moves, not so much when it comes to exercising judgement however........... remember Pat Tillman; fog of war my ass..... and they were one of the better trained combat units......
Apparently in the ME, they hold wedding ceremonies in hospitals.
The group destroyed was one of the most effective ISIS opponents in Iraq. The US has zero on the ground intelligence. It has no one able to communicate in in Iraqi dialect of Arabic. Some accident.
No 45 minute warning leaflets were harmed in this attack.
We killed some Arabs.
Were these some of the Iraqi troops Bush an dBarry spent $20 Billion to train a few years ago?
The pilot couldn't tell them apart since they were both using american tech
We came, we saw, they died.
Looked like nice weather to me.
The biggest lie ever perpetrated is the killing of innocent civilians by starting a war. The civilians I am referring to are not the residents of the countries we invade, I'm referreing to the men and women who enlist and decide to "serve" our country. That is the lie: They are NOT serving our country, for me, for you, for freedom. They are serving the banker overlords who wish to control the earth's resources, shipping lanes, and trade, but guilt YOU into believing that you need to pay homage to these "brave countrymen" and should be thankful for your freedom. It is truly crafty, yet incredibly sick when you analyze it. If you think I'm nuts, someone please provide one historical example of a dominant empire that policed the world out of Godly humanitarian duty and did so without seizing the spoils of war (ie, anothers resources) and mass murder. We won't even get into foreign exchange and exporting inflation, proof that bankers are behind all of it but sold to the public as minor byproducts of a nation policing the world for the good of all it's inhabitants.
Keep sucking in that big lie my american friends. Keep patting service men and women on the back as they head for the grave, supposedly "fighting for your freedom". What a crock of shit. The biggest lie EVER told.
Ok, lets try and deal with this as succinctly as we can. I may or may not have been in the military, and I may or may not have left having found it to be not what I thought it should be, but let’s look back at history as an example.
Historically, Great Britain had an empire, and one of the places we settled was the Americas. England established its colonies, run form London and invested its capital in businesses around the globe, including the Americas. One of those businesses was cotton. Cotton was grown in the south and exported to England where the climate was right to spin and weave cotton into cloth, hence the industrial revolution.
The problem was getting that cotton to England. The colonists wanted to sell it FOB so to speak, the English merchants wanted it delivered. Both had a problem with French, Dutch and Spanish ships which would sink English trading shops at any opportunity.
The English built a navy, one of the best in the world which wasn’t cheap. The Americans didn’t want to pay for it, and neither did the English, so the British Government imposed taxes on both the mainland and colonies to pay for it. The Americans didn’t like that and revolted, but that’s a different story.
The point is that the Royal Navy’s job was to protect British interests, which at the time were industrial and commercial, including the protection of trading ships to enable trade between the colonies and England; that’s mainly merchants, though bankers benefit undoubtedly. Not only that but British interests also extended to disabling the competition, so it didn’t matter why you joined the Navy, British interests were either to protect British commerce, or to destroy the enemy and competition, either worked.
There is no differentiation. Queen and country is commerce and trade, and war when required, period. When Smedley Butler says that "war is a racket' he is stating the blindingly obvious. So why do you make out that it’s purely bankers and wrong? The ability to conduct trade wherever you will and travel where you choose is freedom is it not? Historically we have always needed armies and navies for this. These are the only people on whom we can depend for our liberties, and I am the first to say, the ones who will turn their guns inward when told to. But that doesn't mean that what you say it true. So why is it a big lie?
It's a big lie because the ulterior motive is the enrichment of a select few... at the expense of innocent civilians and the dupes sent it to senselessly murder them for their resources.
There is a fundamental difference between a racket and free market trade yet to the elite they are one in the same.
Until the human species learns that it's survival on a finite planet is dependent upon cooperation and not domination, it is doomed.
Even the first sentence is wrong. What do you think the Navy does when it gets its orders, demand to know who the shareholders and beneficiaries of its actions are?
you're right, they don't demand to know that, because if they are in the armed forces, they've already sold their conscience into subservience. they've whored themselves out as mercenaries, killers-for-hire, most of them don't care that much about who they are working for or why they are killing someone, they just want a paycheck and/or to blow shit up and/or a parade and to be lauded as heroes when they get back home and/or to make-believe they are the good guys fighting them evil musilms over there.
Hmm. Can't even get past the first sentence with this one either.
When you enlist you swear an oath to a head of government of a constitution or monarch. That's a far cry from being a merecenary.
'most of them don't care that much about who they are working for, or why they are killing someone,' Do you have anything whatsoever to back up this statement?
'they just want a paycheck' sounds like anyone else I know who gets a job. And by the way, the reason why they do it is incumbent in your criticism.
and the rest of it is not worth commenting on.
When you enlist you swear an oath to a head of government of a constitution or monarch. That's a far cry from being a merecenary.
oh, ok, that explains everything. i wasn't aware that the mystical ritual of "swearing an oath" magically transforms the evil act of murdering innocent people, into a good thing.
I'm sorry mate, but your history is abysmal and I have a very hard time believing that you're British.
There were virtually NO cotton exports during the period of colonial America. In fact, America was a net importer of finished cotton fabrics and the East India Co. (Until the Calico Act -repealed in 1774) made most of their cotton fabric profits from Kozhikode, then known as Calicut in India. America started exports of cotton decades after independence in the early 19th century. By 1830, thanks in no small part to slavery, America became the largest producer of raw cotton in the world and by 1861-1864, the main supplier to the British Empire.
ALL WARS ARE BANKERS WARS. Might be worth watching.
Ok, the first clue was that it was in reply to another comment which should have given you context; the second was the word succinctly in the opening sentence. If I had wanted to give you a history of British cotton imports I would have copied and pasted a simple internet search using the words 'history of British cotton imports", which I did not. It doesn't matter whether you substitute trading in cotton for buying and selling slaves, selling opium to the Chinese, or attacking the Spanish treasure fleets, it really is not the point.
The point is that the military exists to expand government influence through coercion and intimidation, and part of that includes furthering the benefits of the nations traders and merchants, and thus the manufacturers by enforcing contracts in addition to the defence of the realm. It does not, as the comment before says, exist to "fighting for your freedom". That is just naive bullshit, and it is utterly wrong to say, as the comment says, that "They are NOT serving our country" they are, even if you don't like it. Linking that phrase with the words, " for me, for you, for freedom." is somewhat naive and disingenuous to those that would 'defend this line if we're told to', so that you and he can post these comments here, and go about your daily business as if you have a right to.
Where do you get that right? Do you think it comes from some 'Constitution'? Or do you think it is because (some) men and women are prepared to say that they will defend the borders of the land where that Constitution is in force, regardless of whether you think it well enforced or not, or slewed to the benefit of one group in society or another.
Thanks for the history update, but you missed the point entirely, and whilst I am the first to say or agree that all wars are basically about money, your statement 'ALL WARS ARE BANKERS WARS. is entirely wrong as well. What do you think is going on in Syria, HSBC wants to clear out Assad so they can open an office and make loan contracts that Assad won't currently enforce, or Qatar wants to sell gas to Europe, and Europe wants a supplier other than Russia? Guess I'm missing the banker link there because regardless of the outcome, the banks will still manipulate the gas price through derivatives in the US anyway. Or perhaps you will tell me that the banks make loans to government to buy weapons, and bypass the traders, merchants and manufacturers bit entirely?
"I hope Iraqis will understand... but it's a reflection of how closely we are working with the government."
Note to self: avoid working closely with the u.s. government
"Dunkirk was not a victory"
The Brits had no wins on the ground until El Alemain, in late 41. Ultra won that battle for them too...Was a victory of logistics.
You could check out how the Washington Post is massaging the news on this event by checking Newsdiff.org but unfortunately you will see
"Alas! We don't seem to know anything about this article. Sorry! :("
Same with the other links I've checked calling the .GOV MSM propaganda press on their toadyism.
Hmm, wasn't CIPA just passed?
There was an old WW2 saying that "When the British bombed, the Germans ducked, When the Germans bombed the British ducked, But when the American's bombed Everyone Ducked"
The same applied to non-US forces in Afghanistan, especially when US NG pilots were on the loose.
I remember a story a WW11 British veteran told me once about fighting in Europe, he said the safest place to be was behind the yanks. He also told me the Americans had an uncanny ability to drop shells on them, and were far more accurate than the Germans.
Why can't they accidentally bomb a Saudi ISIS wedding party (2pts), held at a Saudi Field Hospital (1 pt) at a Saudi ISIS refinery (1 pt), that's secretly financed by Assad (1pt)?
That would seem like 5x the odds of happening, than each one on its own. /s
Anyone else have their weird radar go off regarding this Carter guy?
You mean Ashton?
Anyone here wanna take a bet on the quality of his manicure?
Speaking of which, anybody else freaked out by the thumb on that "woman"? Bet she can climb the heck out some trees...
Anyone here wanna take a bet on the quality of his manicure?
I'm guessing it's a French.
Yes. I can't put my finger on it (and would rather not), but something is not right about this man. To wit, people use the expression 'Gender Queer' Ash Carter.
Thats no way to talk about someone who gives candy to little boys.
He is a true believer in the NWO look at his background.
Went to Yale
Rockefeller Univ
Rhodes Scholar Oxford Univ
Ex wife Dean of Harvard
Professor at Harvard
He is totally brainwashed
Reminds me of Dukakis in the tank.
Got to be a complete idiot, to jump on the Obama foreign policy train, AFTER it jumped the track. I remind myself, no one else was stupid enough to take the job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyVX_41_4yY
Sputnik news initially reported 30 Iraqi soldiers killed. Obama and Ash Carter have their orders from the Bush crime family: Protect ISIS drug dealers. Just like the DEA protects Sinaloa drug shipments and use parallel construction to avoid revealing that the Sinaloa druglords provide the DEA with tips on other drug dealers competing with the Sinaloa cartel. Druglords rule the world!
Iraqi video showing attack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1c8LZZ8GUc
No Alan's Snackbars were harmed in this attack.
Try 'accidentally' killing some people and you will be charged with first degree murder!
The agenda rolls on unabated......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...
Well...some iraqi folks got blown away....
We Friendly Fired some Folks.
It was only a mistake as the attack on the MSF hospital in Kunduz that killed 22.
Forward to more mistakes. Forward to more double-tap droning of women and children and wedding parties. Those are so inconsequential, The Nobel Prize Winner does not bother to use the word mistake.
America's deadly double tap drone attacks are 'killing 49 people for every known terrorist in Pakistan'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208307/Americas-deadly-double-t...
This is how you propagate laissez faire.
They will beg for it!
Winning Iraqi hearts and minds...
Why Is Homeland Security Welcoming Terrorists into the US?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/why-is-homeland-security-welcoming-terror...
Because San Bernardino didn't arouse sufficient anger so they are going to do a hum-dinger on New Year's Eve to make this new Patriot Act snuck into the latest budget package seem inconsequential.
Why is Homeland Security sending a helicopter to hover over and photograph Bad Axe, Michigan?
http://www.michigansthumb.com/news/article_6fd4f6ae-a5c0-11e5-a595-33df6...
This clip from the movie The Sum of all Fears pretty much sums EVERYTHING up.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRG4QgPwQo
Must have been some Bad Arabs in Bad Axe...
needed for coming false flag attacks to lock down America once and for all.
Those Syrian and Iraqi government soldiers
keep getting in the way of combating the
unwelcome and illegal invasions and bombings in their countries.
....oh ... never mind
But it's also a reflection of how closely we are working with the government."
~ Wow! This guy Ass Carter is some kind of genius! Good thing he's on "our" side.
Wonder if he is kin to Jimma Carter our past P-NUT Pres.
Liar is as liar DOES.
See Something Kill Something
Who exactly is Isis? Do all brown people look alike? Are these the same "Iraqi's" that ran away from the 1000 armored vehicles in Mosul? WTF! Get some mother fuckers! Nuke those bastards.
I don't know how I'd survive without this news site honestly.
I would know a lot less about stock markets and rigging and have nothing to read.
The US needs Assad to be removed because their entire 10 year Iranian containment plan is based on it. Syria, and Iraq cannot be controlled by a Sheia regime, when a nuclear Iran comes back online in 10 years. The entire Middle East is become unstable because of the shifting number of Sheia/Sunni actors over the next decade.
Saudi Arabia and Turkey want a Sunni crescent to contain Iran. Iran wants Syria and Iraq to contain Saudia Arabia, and the Kurds to distract Turkey. Israel wants to promote Sunni/Sheia hostility, so resources aren't diverted to attacking her. Russia is aligned with Iran, because the US is aligned with Saudi Arabia.
The growing crisis is turkey, a NATO member, but also a pro Sunni regime. It has a conflicting dual mandate.
Do not forget the much needed (by the EU) Caspian Sea oil and gas pipelines. Right now, the bulk of oil and gas to the EU is controlled by Russia, who can close the tap (at their peril economically) anytime they see fit.
With all the shit the EU is giving Russia (sanctions, asset seizures, so on) I am suprised that Puttie Pute hasn't shut down the Ukraine lines, especially after gov backed militia detonated the power system for a few months in Crimea. Putin has now got one independant power system from Russia to Crimea with a second due to come online in Feb 2016.
The real proxy war is over Iraq. By controlling Iraq, Iran has more controlled oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. And in a region where oil is weaponized, whomever controls the largest reserves, the West will favor.
Saudi Arabia is using ISIS to make Iraq a failed state so it can push in a Sunni controlled minority. Iran, who currently controls Iraq wants it, because it has shifted power in the region to the Sheia side.
It has always been about Iraq. Syria, is a proxy to a proxy: Iraq.
It's the main reason Saudi Arabia has a policy of increasing market share. Iran, with Iraqi oil is the dominant player, and controls more market share. Saudi Arabia is trying to wrestle that market share away from Iran, at the same time, deploying ISIS to destabilize Iraq, so the regime is toppled, and Iran loses its control.
And Turkey is a proxy of Saudi Arabia to create a failed state in Iraq. ISIS cannot sustain itself without a nation state supporting it. And Turkey supports ISIS, because Saudi Arabia is supporting her through Turkey.
so you say Syria is a "sideshow"?
that's some sideshow
So you DON'T buy the Caspian pipeline theory in Syria? (which ostensibly cuts Russia out of the Euro energy equation)
You think Russia is in there because of simple "animus against the u.s."?
that doesn't make sense
Russia is there because Iran is there, and it has interests. I argue that the primary mover is Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia wants to destabilize Iraq so it can gain control. It is doing it in 2 primary fronts:
1)ISIS
2)lower oil prices. //Iraqi's new government need 90 USD/bbl to balance its budget. Lower oil prices weakens the Iraqi government.
2a) A weakened government, and Iraq is then targetted by ISIS.
QED: The new caliphate encompasses Iraq, but controlled by Saudi Arabia.
Lower oil for longer is to destabilize Iraq, and its a regional power move with the added consequence of making the West + China more dependent on Saudi and not Iranian controlled oil.
Also, why the fuck are reporters allowed in a combat zone? Ban their asses and fight the fucking war. Open the rules of engagement to kill everything that moves. Have a "No Move Zone", I just made that shit up. I'm fucking brilliant!
I'm beginning to think Obama appoints these losers to make himself look good by comparison.
...with the additional benefit of further damaging the country.
Goddamnit! How many times do I have to tell you assholes to shoot up the guys with the white Nike Sneakers....
Here's the thing: I am opposed to voting. I make that quite clear, as I also make quite clear my reasons for not doing so; that today the vote has no meaning, no power to bring about meaningful change. On an almost daily basis, as the election circus cranks up, I am confronted by very angry people who demand to know how I can give up this most American, this most democratic right that previous generations fought for, sacrificed for and died for. In my minds eye I imagine them draped in Old Glory while the rockets red glare gives proof through the night that the flag is still there. They say I'm giving up. They say I'm giving in. They say if I don't vote then I can't complain. Well ... I support the idea of the vote. In fact I love the idea. So much so that when I see what's being offered, I am sickened to my core. No patriot ever died to give me these ass hats. No one laid down their life to grant me the right to choose who will follow the corporate dictates for another four years. No one died so that I could choose the lesser evil. No one died so that I would be compelled to vote in fear, in terror, of allowing a more dangerous candidate to get into office. No one died so that I could seek cold comfort in the belief the very best I could hope for is less horror. There were very noble people, misguided perhaps, not understanding that in the larger sense they were fighting aristocratic wars for aristocratic power brokers, who honestly gave their all for the very simple idea that we, the people, are the source of governance. They died for the idea that it is not only our right, but our duty to redress or replace government when it no longer serves us, nor represents our collective will. And they died believing that our vote gave us that power. Well ... It doesn't. Let's not argue that it never did, that's for another discussion. They died in vain. Compounded and made even less meaningful by our failure to match the fire of their ideals and to rise up to the task of realizing them. We, the inheritors of radical revolution, the descendants of people who fought and died for ideals that have never been realized, have failed the test. The vote has been rendered less potent that it ever was. As such, it's meaningless. It no longer serves us, nor does it reflect our collective goal. There is nothing of liberty, equality or fraternity to be realized in continuing the charade. If we want a vote that has meaning, we have to pry it from the grasp of the tyrants and despots who now use it to subdue us, to blind us, to keep us locked into meaningless debate. We must understand that the vote they're offering is their tool, not ours. We live in age where simply having these ideals opens one up to charges of naivety. or immaturity, or a failure to grasp the “realities” of life. History shows us, again and again, that pragmatism has been used to rationalize and justify the darkest stains on our human cloth; slavery, workhouses, Manifest Destiny, patriarchy, prejudice, racism. These are the voices of the Priesthood calling us back to worship. They call for reason, for calm, for acceptance. They direct us to fear the chaos of change while we live in the chaos of their tyranny. We see, every day, what they have done to others with their wars and their engineered scarcities and their profit above human life mentalities. Spoken or unspoken the threat is there, that we are a whim or profit margin away from becoming the next victims. Under that threat, that promise, it’s so easy to trade our minor privilege, some favorable domestic policies or rhetoric, for the horrors we support abroad. Let the survivors dig graves to bury their beloved, we must be concerned about ourselves and our security and our comforts. Is this what the idea of the vote has become?
Those that pay taxes have a more legitimate right to complain than a mere voter. If you don't vote or pay taxes the 1st Amendment still gives you the right to complain, but do it quietly.
i applaud you for not voting.
however, you lost me at: "Well ... I support the idea of the vote. In fact I love the idea."
the problem is not the particular candidates on the ballets, it's the fact that the system is rotten at its core, at its very foundation.
if you and other people want to voluntarily participate in an "election" to decide various issues amongst yourselves, that's fine.
but you don't have the right (and by extension that system doesn't have the right) to impose your will on others that want nothing to do with that "election" process. and if you or your system imposes terms and conditions on unwilling participants, backed by force (men with guns), then it is a system of violence, and should be opposed by all free people.
so, even setting aside the crummy candidates, the captured system, and the dubious methods of counting the "votes", aside from all that, the system is broken at its moral foundation, and should be abandoned.
a system with a rotten moral foundation will beget violence and corruption.
> A system with a rotten moral foundation will beget violence and corruption. <
A good one-line summary of the "Political System" in Australia, where we are LEGALLY OBLIGED to vote (or be saddled with a $200 fine for "non compliance").
A very superficial glance at the "candidates" we are "allowed" to vote for underlines the corruption aspect nicely - candidates such as our "Prime Minister" - certainly NOT selected by "The People", rather "selected" by his employers - one Goldman Sachs . . . . .
Judging by all the Up votes you got, I surmise that you wrote something well.
The thing is, on sheer principle, I refuse to be tortured reading or rewarding a post, whose author could not make the requisite effort for formatting style -- which includes having some paragraph.
(Some some friendly feedback. And I did not junk you, FWIW).
You still ok with my chicken scratchin?
Weather related.
and:
Were there two different incidents (same location)?
"A third coalition airstrike.....resulted in casualties among our forces TOO"
We Dick Cheney'd some folks. #BirdHuntingWithDick
I guess the weather must have been bad again which made it hard to tell Iraqis from ISIS.
These morons need to be part of Obama's bodyguard.
When RT (Via Sputnik) first released this story, quoting Hakim al-Zamili, head of the Iraqi Parliament’s Security and Defense Committee yesterday, the Pentagon's first reponse was, "That's a lie".
My guess is that the Iraqis were about to destory/capture a bunch of ISIS nutjobs with CIA/Special Forces advisors attached to them and they called in an airstrike.
Whats it called "collateral damage?
Collateral damage is a general term for unintentional deaths, injuries, or other damage inflicted incidentally on an unintended target.
ps:USS Harry Truman carrier strike group reaches Persian Gulf
" Ash Carter - physicist and a former Harvard University professor of Science and International Affairs."
It's what happens when you Harvard Professor in charge.
That was no accident...
Did anyone see the exchange between Lavrov and Kerry yesterday with "the faggot" on the open mic telling Lavrov we've got our "assets" on the ground in Iraq and Syria and that we must work together to defeat ISIS/ISIL...
Lavrov should have said, yeah we've got your six o'clock!... Just keep doin what you're doin and we'll make sure Dover stays in business for a very long time!!!
Just following their Liar-in-Chief's orders.
Of course it also doesn’t help that the US invaded and occupied the country and so, at the end of the day, a palpable sense of suspicion will always pervade relations between American troops and Iraqis.
Of course it is evident that the US did withdraw from their country without continuing to hold any territory there or require any payment for removing their butcher Saddam Hussein. The Iranians certainly are not likely to cede control of the country, particularly after getting the $150 billion in frozen funds. So the US removes the dictator and withdraws, leaving the country in the control of Iraqis and gets the blame. However now it seems that the Iraqis wish that the US had remained in their country to save them from themselves. Which is it?
As to the casualties from the air strikes, is there any reason to believe that the strikes were not delivered exactly where the Iraqi military requested? If their military positioned their own soldiers where the strikes were requested, is that a US screw up or another of the Iraqis?
Okay, so let's get this straight. When 3000 Americans died in 9/11, they were all innocent. Pure as driven snow, even though probably 95% of them were of voting age, and therefore had a direct effect on the decision by their leadership and ultimately paid the price for it all.
Iraqis, the millions of them that have been killed, are all guilty and financially responsible for a bloodthirsty dictator that we directly helped keep in power for the duration of the Iran-Iraq War then indirectly and stupidly maintained during 10-15 years of sanctions.
If we have no true way to keep our leadership accountable, how in f**k can you expect the Iraqis to? Talk about hypocrisy.
Idiocracy has came 500 years early.
They all look the same, who can tell 'em apart?
They forgot to put on the blue armbands.
https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/us-naval-update-map-dec-17-2015
News like this doesn't make it to US MSM...I wonder why? Any Idea?
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damn ash carter is one cold bastard isn't he?
these Iraqi troops died because his military fucked up, no two ways about it.
and this is Iraq, which makes it even worse because how many Iraqi's have been killed as the result of US military action over the past 25 years? so obviously killing still more of them isn't going to win any hearts and minds.
but here is the best part and if I was Iraqi this is what would really piss me off. US military inc. just whacked ten native troops who are fighting and dying in a war that was caused in large part by the US military inc. invasion of Iraq 12 years ago. all this destruction and resulting chaos is the direct consequence of a war that was fought under a completely fake premise for reasons that had zero to do with WMD's or stopping terrorists.
if Saddam and Qaddafi were still in power, if Assad was stable and secure in Syria IS would not even exist right now and ash carters drug addled homo rainbow warriors would not be accidentally killing Iraqi troops.
and his response?
hey, shit happens.
and then he had the nerve to run the "we bomb because we care" line and finished with the "friends do bomb friends sometimes it's perfectly normal behavior between friends so there is really nothing to talk about here."
yet another perfect example of American exceptionalism on display.
If Hillary gets elected that is the end of this nation and I'm deadly serious.
http://youtu.be/i1fJwS_SWD8
In fact, I would say that if Hillary gets elected the world is doomed to extinction.
damn ash carter is one cold bastard isn't he?
He makes Robert McNamara look like a Christmas puppy.
Anyone know if the iraqi military are carrying AK 47's these days, or M16's?
Good to know my tax dollars are being used prudently
Well.. this must be US doing.
It usually bombs hospital, schools, wedding parties, street market, mosques, allies troops, civillians collaterals.
But it never hits ISIS (and use Russian MoD video footage as "proofs"), ISIS oils business. And also, somehow? It drops TOW weapons and others, in the middle of nowhere desserts. Withou any clear idea, who would "accepts" those deliveries. Hmmm.. GPS malfunctions??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._friendly-fire_incidents_since_...
"the US “accidentally” blew up 10 Iraqi soldiers who called in an airstrike near Fallujah (which is held by ISIS)".
Now this is where the problem obviously is, the Isis commander has the priority here. Isis probably painted the Iraqis with a laser designator for good measure; just to make sure. Can't have the wrong forces blown up can we.
The laser designator was operated by the US Special Forces dropped in to support ISIS.
The worst sales-pitch of the year award goes to...Ash Carter!
For his cringe-inducing pep-talk to the Iraqis reminding them that they can expect more indiscriminate death and destruction as America remains steadfast in its determination to make their country free and safe...
"We will make Iraq a free nation if we have to wipe every single Iraqi off the face of the Earth to do it! Let no one doubt our determination...especially the Iraqis."...points at eyes and then jabs fingers at Iraqis in no-nonsense manner.
This is all so hopelessly fucked up I don't no why we even try to make any sense at all out of it. We need to get the fuck out of that shit hole. These Islamic terrorists groups breed like flies around shit and bombing them only creates moar.
That is nearly my verbatim observation of these ISIS fucktards in my comment yesterday. Anyone with even a smidgeon of military training can see these ISIS cunts are a ragtag gang of scraggly-assed halfwits. There's no WAY they're existing without some foreign intelligence service propping them up. No. Fucking. Way.
"...a ragtag gang of scraggly-assed halfwits."
Or "Useful idiots" for sake of brevity.
are you talkin 'bout Obammy & the rest of the us .gov?
Not an accident. The message was sent, if you call in a strike that to hit key people you will get it instead. How do they (Iraqi's) know if key people might be involved? They do not, so there is a risk calling in the US gets themselves killed. When they call it in they give their coordinates as well.
Two days ago the US flew in and bombed a military post/field base of Iraqi troops and killed 30 and wounded many others. NOT a mistake.
The other week the US flew into Syria and bombed an established Syrian military base killing many. NOT a mistake.
What are the Iraqi's doing getting the US involved? It will come back to haunt them. Keeping the US inside and close will just mean eventual assassination of politicians and takeover, again.
And this from the article - the pervasive distrust among Iraqis when it comes to the US military presence - Are the Iraqi's mentally disabled? Just distrust, do they not have any pictures of what their country used to look like? Where is the gold? That should be pervasive rage.
John Kerry couldn't find his way out out of a locked barn within. The horses are running to find new stable hands to better there past DNC plantation experience.
ANDREA BOCELLI AVE MARIA
Andrea Bocella | Ava Maria
Tonight’s DNC debate will show shallow efforts from the feminist/PC movement. This beautiful Afro-American just kicked them in their cunt. The glass ceiling just fell on DNC.
You want equal opportunity, start your business without minority tax abatement under the chamber of commerce. I have watched the City of Strongsville turn into a fucking Marxist dependent city. Don’t live there anymore, thank god. I also lived in Hudson, OH... back in the day. Same thing has happened in Summit County. Let them destroy the Republican presence. That’s why people move. Turning Ohio into a Detroit city is the grand plan.
Lastly, efforts are to sway voters to elect Hillary. DNC knows to give free shit to earn votes in a swing state atmosphere. I hope they vote for Hillary, then wake up. Thank goodness I don’t live in that fucked up place anymore. Still have rentals up there! Unfortunately…..
Trump 2016
agreed, but up arrowed you for the Bocelli Ave Maria, one of my favs................
Thanks, me too.
I'm so tired of being perceived as the Bully on the Block. We Americans all have targets on our backs, painted by our own government.
Aside from whining to your inner group what have you done about 5gat today?
Well we cna write our congress-person who is already bought-and-paid-for by any number of SIGs! And write a letter to the editor of our local newspaper that is owned by a multinational corporation! Or we could protest outside of CONgress and wave placards high!
Nothing much the civilians can do outside of the time when the system begins to finally lose real control. Only then can any of us hope to assist it's toppling.
I used to write my congressmen and senator all the time. Never got anything more than a form letter response. Finally had enough, told him he was a fucktard and should resign in shame. Got a response "Thank you for your opinion. It's important to me"
You think these fuckers care about you? Only way to make any progress is a general, full out strike. Refuse to comply. Only way change will ever happen but I bet less than 10% even on here would participate
My father fought in WW2 and spoke often about what occurred during the bombing runs by the USA airforce. It was a very common occurance for them to bomb the friendly forces and especially their own forces by mistake.
Call it what you like careless or not. Old habits may be hard to break.
Collateral damage.
The same way they now post BLS figures to falsify list unemployment ( lack U-6 figures) and send illegal immigation into are country.
Yep killing US all, besides the h1b, & h2's visa full of crap shit besides
Try 'accidentally' killing some people and you will be charged with first degree murder!
The agenda rolls on unabated......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...
Just watched the THE SEVEN FIVE last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBB7DolmQPY
Our negro thinks we can continue unlawful order. I love the LEO, these were bad guys. Obama thinks he can continue the same bad manner. Once he clamps down on 2nd Amendment, he will create a domestic revolution. foreign policy will not count.
Oh dream on with that Agenda 21 nonsense. The climate take finalized with a NON BINDING agreement to fund climate change initiatives.That means anyone who makes their payment is a patsy.I also laugh when people claim Putin and the Chinese are globalists because they agree with climate change. Look, Putin and China are no dummies. They are not about to idly sit by and watch the Rothschilds and Joos and Goldman and Al Gore benefit from this multi trillion dollar market in carbon.Their plan will not work. We all know how Hunger Games ends. Donald Sutherland said it's an allegory for our times. Strap in. It's gonna be a fight like fight club hasn't seen.
"They looked like a hospital."
USSA is all washed up. It is a paper tiger, actually a toilet paper tiger and in 2016 when the clogged bankster sewer of the chosen racer Wall Street crapper is plunged and flushed of the Saudi Mercan IOU petroscrip dollah Merca will fold and collapse into the mother of all civil wars. Civil War is what we do best and our next one here in Slumville will not disappoint.
KARMA always comes home to roost.
I had a chicken named Karma, but we ate her for dinner last week.
I'm not criticizing Obama for taking military action and killing the wrong folks. That happens in war.
However, the institution of the Nobel Peace Prize has been utterly destroyed. This guy blowing up hospitals, and weddings, and just killing the wrong people. Nobel Peace Prize.
Nobel Peace Prize = No credibility. I'd rather win the monopoly game at Mcdonalds than be associated with Nobel anything.
All the awards have been liberalized as I have said before, liberals are all about rewarding themselves for shit they did not do or earn.
Look at the Woman of year award a Mangina (Bruce Jenner or w.e his name is) wins woman of the year award.
When a man wins a Woman of the year award you know your society is ass-backwards and in decline.
Man gets woman of the year award
Obama gets peace award after starting world war III
im sure this list could be lengthened to numerous pages, just pick out some stupid liberal cause like Global warming and i am sure there are a bunch of fake awards handed out to a bunch of frauds in that category.
If its a liberal winning an award, its like a 99% chance the award is meaningless/fake.
war makes it easy for sociopaths to kill innocents and get away with it.
some even get erections while doing it ..the really sick ones like being up close (the up close types rarely survive)..but from 10,000 feet it will do.
Forgot to tell u all Quatar agreed for Turkey to have a forward base.... Smell Iran shit russia storm coming...
Means NATO has full control of air space but syria... ww3 homies prepare ac·cord·ing·ly
Diego Garcia south stealth nukes backup, bet them bombers fly 24hrs bec the subs ready to hit it
Boeing B-52s can carry up to 20 nuclear-armed Air-Launched Cruise Missiles (ALCMs)
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/vintage-boeing-b-52-gets-new-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_1g31S7yg
They all look alike to me.
american "exceptionalism" since Nam...
USAF is renowned for hitting friendly troops. Ask anyone who has served and fought anywhere near US forces. They hate it. There's even a wiki page specifically about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._friendly-fire_incidents_since...
wooo hoooo USA USA USA, don't you wish we were on your side.
Sorry we were too busy looking at internet porn to check the actual target. Oh well, we might do better next time. lmao like maybe kill 100 friendlies, ha haa haa haa. wheeew that's funny. Don't you wish you were in bed with us! We'll have a gay ole time.
We aren't incompetent, this is the USA, we are EXCEPTIONAL (exceptionally incompetent) Come on guys let's drop another tab and get these drones in the air.
ISIS was losing a firefight in Iraq so what do they do? They call in the ISIS air force. Nice work!
Excuse, Me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOVkaqvelxU
The first friendly fire incident in the fight against ISIS since this one:
http://en.abna24.com/717363/print.html
Maybe the Iraqis should be accidentally shooting down US warplanes?!? Seems fair, right?
It is odd that Ashton Carter never spent one day in uniform. Odd too that any subgroup at all can get his attention to be accepted in the US Military. I forget what we are up to now, maybe trans-gender transvestites? I think bestiality and necrophilia aficionados are the next favored groups to be courted by the services. Of course all favored groups get fast promotions and plum assignments so they can get to the command slots faster.
i seriously doubt that Carter knows the difference between a manpad and a maxipad.
US "Accidentally" Blows Up 10 Iraqi Troops In First "Friendly Fire" Accident Of ISIS Fight
BEIJING (AP) Dec. 19 — The United States said its two B-52 bombers 'had no intention of flying over a Chinese-controlled man-made island' in the South China Sea, after Beijing accused Washington of "a serious military provocation" in the strategic waters with overlapping claims.
<-- Mad Max at the rampage