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Putin Blasts Interventionist US Foreign Policy, Calls Forcible Regime Change "Intolerable"
"Let’s remember why we became part of a coalition to stop [Libyan dictator Muammar] Gaddafi from committing atrocities against his people.”
That’s from Hillary Clinton who defended here foreign policy credentials in Saturday night’s third Democratic presidential debate. Hitting back at Bernie Sanders, who accused her of being “too much into regime change and a little bit too aggressive without knowing what the unintended consequences might be,” the former Secretary of State said the US “will not get the support on the ground in Syria to dislodge ISIS if the fighters there - who are not associated with ISIS, but whose principal goal is getting rid of Assad - don’t believe there is a political diplomatic channel that is ongoing.”
"I am not giving up on Libya and no one should," she added.
Unfortunately, we probably should “give up” on Libya, because the power vacuum created by Gaddafi’s fall has turned the country into a lawless wasteland and a breeding ground for ISIS. For those who might have forgotten what “democratic regime changed” looked like in Libya, allow us to refresh your memory:
Ah, yes, a peaceful transition in the true spirit of democracy.
For his part, Putin asked the following: "Who gave the West the right to carry out regime change?" Here's the clip from 2011:
Well, in the wake of Hillary's comments during the debate, Putin is out with a bit of fresh criticism with regard to what Russia calls illegitimate attempts to bring about the downfall of governments deemed "undesirable" by Western powers.
"Outsiders forcing change of legitimate powers in other countries is intolerable," Putin told Rossiya TV.
While geopolitical disagreements are “inevitable and "all right", foreign policy needs to be conducted "by civilized rules”, he continued. We assume that "civilized rules" do not include arming and funding Sunni extremists especially ones who The Pentagon knows are likely to establish Salafist principalities within the borders of sovereign states.
Putin went on to say that by becoming a puppet of the US, "Europe has given up [an] independent foreign policy" thereby surrendering part of its sovereignty to US."
When it comes to intervening in order to keep the geoplotical scales in balance, "Russia isn’t afraid" to step in, and will always act with "maximum caution," (we're not entirely sure one can classify the rather rapid and aggressive deployment in Syria as being conducted with "maximum caution", but it's certainly a more cautious approach than arming any and all anti-government elements in hopes that one of them will turn out not to be extremists).
In the end though, Putin concedes that Russia has no catch-all solution for color revolutions. The "only recipe for how to deal with them is to strengthen international law," he concludes.
Exactly. Which means that at some point, the international community needs to insist that the US and its allies both in the Mid-East and Europe cease the ubiquitous practice of fomenting discord within sovereign states. It never works where "works" means a stable deomcracy takes root in the ashes of a dictatorship. Between Libya, Iraq, and Syria, the US truly has "become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
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You should see the other guy
Hillary is a pathetic joke that has morphed into a horrific monster - America deserves such a piece of shit in a pantsuit; but, let's hope it doesn't happen...
She is just a reflection on how far we've fallen, ethically, morally and decently.
I guess Trump is a saint compared to her.
I guess Andrei Chikatilo is a saint compared to her.
I can't believe I'm fixing so many posts tonight....good times!
Maybe, but we have to guess.
Trump is not transparent, is as opaque as Obama was.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/18/was-trump-annointed/
If you know anything about the Clinton's days governing Arkansas and the mysteriously high number of dead bodies that kept showing up around them, you'll know that she has long been a monster. She just gets very docile when she doesn't have her hands on some sort of scepter
That and the drugs, re: Mena.
this ^^^ x1000...
Let's not forget TWA800 another Clinton cover-up!!! Or Ruby Ridge or Waco!! She'll have everyone in FEMA camps and bring on the Uni-polar world order.
Chris D
need that picture again with the BEFORE and AFTER of Chris Stevens in the "safe house".
More evil than the buggering and slaughter of Gadaffi by USSAN stooges on the payroll of Al CIAduh is the necrophiliac orgasmic delight and demented cackeling exhibited by the psychopath Hillbillie Klingon as she wallowed in the snuff video in the heart of the Washing town beast. Mercans up to their eyes in blood in their anglozionazi slaughter house deserve this foul specimen as their next presidentess as the USSA Titanic goes down the sewer of its evil history.
No we don't deserve this progressive criminal usurper Hillary Clinton. Nobody deserves that.
This FEDGOV is gone lawless, rogue and is illegitamate. It does not operate for the good of the law abiding citizens of the USA or the world.
Grimaldus
Sometimes I sit back and imagine how much more resources we'd have for improving our own lives if we
A) Minded our own business
B) Supported the right of any nation to defend themselves to the full extent of their capabilities if attacked.
Then I think about how much our leaders want to tell the rest of the world what to do while at the same time ignoring what "We, the People" were Constitutionally guaranteed.
And then I have another drink...
For the US to claim that they are spreading democracy in the ME and then say that democratic elections in Syria won't cut it shows their level of trust-worthiness.
Very refreshing to hear a world leader speak the truth.
Makes me wonder, any others ever spoke the truth?
Yup, but they all died in office.
Gee, I wonder how that happened.
US intervention and regime change.
Great men of action and devotion love Russia and Russia's people. President Putin I wish you continued strength as leader of a great coalescence. God guide you and keep you safe.
Even his biggest critics must concede that the man has massive balls but instead of wrecklessly swinging his dick around, he is behaving like the only adult in the room.
I too wish him well, I wish we had someone in DC that's half the man and patriot this guy is.
back to basics
up vote. There was a man his name was Ron Paul. Unfortunately the MSM destroyed his chances.
As far as Putin is concerned,
You can thank him here
Don't know I would call him dear but..on the surface he shows much integrity.
http://dearputin.com/
Who gave the west the right to carry out regime change?
Oil did! That's who!
/sarc
For a second there I thought the headline read
"Interventionist US Foreign Policy Intolerable, Putin Calls For Forcible Regime Change."
:o
How on God's green earth is Gadaffi or Assad legitimate? By this logic, the Tzars are the legitimate rulers of Russia.
Legitimacy comes through the will of the people as expressed in a free and fair election. Something President Putin ought to have the courage to try, and the US of A ought to work to improve upon in its own society.
You are just projecting your values on the rest of the world. How typically PC American of you. If the US did that a little less often, there would be no trouble (for America) in the ME.
By the way, both Gadaffi and Assad had the 'will of the people' behind them until the US 'intervened'.
"Will of the people" behind them ... LMFAO
"Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-wa...
"Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-ass...
Maybe, instead of watching the news, you should read the news.
And how widely was the wealth distributed?
Answer without comparisons to the US or other countries, which is irrelevant.
That's a capitalist notion. You're projecting again. They had education, housing, health care, water, land, protection - the ME has always had governance approaching monarchy. Just because it didn't work for Europe doesn't mean it can't be made to work. And don't forget the foreign influences and sanctions imposed which also affected wealth etc.
I think your point has merit ... I have not been to Libya but have seen prerebellion Syria.
The ideas I express are ideals ... but I would argue ... that your version is elitist. "The peasant are content". From what I saw the peasant were not content. Instead they we controlled by the jackboot.
The question is how to get beyond the jackboot state without a complete explosion. AND OF COURSE people make money on this process ... jeeze ... NOTHING happens without the universal lubricant money getting fed.
I don't disagree. Nice theories are inherently difficult to implement. This is why direct democracy (as practiced by Gadaffi to some extent) is a good choice. Having said that, much unlike Saddam (I do not defend his internal policies) was the only one who could keep order in his country, Assad seemed soft by comparison. Turkey had been undermining his state for decades.
Hey Zangy; legitimate reform in Syria was not helped when the West, Turkey, Saudis, and Israel shipped in 100K foreign terrorists and supplied for 3 years now, leading to 300K dead Syrians and 3 million made homeless refugees. In fact, that constitutes an act of war. Shipping in 100K jihadists is not going to make a democracy happen EVER in Syria wouldn't you agree?
Russia and China haven't acted this way. The West is led by psychopaths who have entrenched themselve via their ownership of the dollar and euro fiat currency creation due to their owning the central banks of the West. They are called 'international bankers', Zionists and elitists, who want to extend their control over the entire world and thus prevent humans to ever again have freedom.
The sick psychopaths killed 3K Americans on 911 to pave the way for all this chaos that has occured in the ME. We need 911 Justice. We need to put the perps on trial in a Nuremburg courtroom for what they have done
Nuremburg court? sure...
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/the-next-nuremberg-trials/
Based on how wrong your opinions are, I dub thee ZangotheZero1
I don't watch TV.
+1
I do. I just don't get my opinions from there.
(Know thine enemy.)
And you obviously don't read either
And you obviously can't read either
Fixed
Excellent argument!
Yes ... discussion needs to get beyond nationalism, the news feed, the US or Putin or what have you.
Free and fair elections, open press, open internet, society based on the fraternity of humans ... these are the systems societies have used to establish and maintain legitimacy. The wealthy have always attacked these ideals in an effort to control and establish their elites as the legitimate rulers. They play with us by manipulating the "nation state" concept. People say read don't watch TV. May I respectfully suggest reading your Bakunin, learning from the ideals of the French Revolution ... which agreed went awry ... just as has US democracy … but never the less has ideas have valuable insights. And the US is in quasi rebellion, I would say.
Webster would say that the French Revolution had socialist roots (more manipulation of the people.)
But yeah, +1.
The French revolution was a Illuminati/Banker (not just the Rothschilds but the large banking families in Amsterdam were involved) plot to convert France into a fiat/bank run state with the citizens in perpetual debt and with no political power. The King of France had always been able to default his debt to the bankers and drive them off and the state (the king) would start over again debt free.
Fiat banksters come in many flavors: neocons, neoliberals, socialists, communists, or fascists
The later Marxists and communists copied the French 'revolutionary movement' regarding it's use of propaganda and the administration of government terror to destroy any opposition (the first time the word 'terrorism' was used was in describing the actions of the French revolutionary government against it's own citizens--the "Reign of Terror"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
Once fiat run banksterism is allowed into a country, the eventual truth of the situation become apparent comes out, either through rising inequality at home, perpetual war abroad, or both as has become the case in the US. That is why Jefferson's statement that he feared private bankers more than standing armies is so important to remember
"Osez! " said St. -Just, ** ce mot est toute la politique de la Revolution. "
" I will walk willingly with my feet in blood and tears," said his coadjutor Saint- Just
(any methods are justifiable for the attainment of his end)"
Webster on the French rev.
Well said +10
Quasi rebellion? How? All I see is sheeple and armchair patriots.
In previous centuries we would be peasants in the marketplace bitching about the local Lord and the King's tax farmers and Sherriff.
We are getting there. One does not need to get far from middle-class society to find people who are anxious to start shooting gov people, beginning with BLM employees, very hated through the west.
The internet and modern entertainment have changed everything, people are infinitely more sophisticated (yes, hard to believe, but objectively true) than in previous times. We are converging on a clear enemy, the Israeli-Neocons, and a clear goal that we all can agree upon, restoration of Constitutional government. Yes, flaws, fix later.
We haven't quite decided on how to transition, that is controlled by whether the current gov surrenders peacefully and all the Israeli-Neocons flee to Israel. We need to think how to encourage that, better than war.
"...people are infinitely more sophisticated..."
I don't know what you mean by sophisticated. If you mean complex or worldly or chic, then ok. But people used to know about their rights (even if most were illiterate) and would defend them - where those rights existed.
Now people jet-set and use tech, but they are ignorant about the most basic notions of life under government.
Most could neither describe the monetary, legal, nor political systems they live under. That isn't very sophisticated in my opinion.
e.g.
Most people think that the top position in Canadian governance is Prime Minister.
Most people don't know that money = debt.
Most people can't do their own taxes properly.
Most people think that freedom of speech exists on internet forums.
Many people with high-paying important jobs are functionally illiterate.
Trump and Bernie ... people are pissed. But they may get misguided again.
yes,,, the only "will of the people" that seems to matter is the will of those exceptional American government officials.
We cannot even project our values on our own local, state and federal governments any longer.
Utter piffle.
I don't know about Gadaffi but Assad is democratically elected.
You posted rubbish.
Assad democratically elected ... I've BEEN there when it was ruled by his father. You have no idea what a police state that place is.
Bashar is nothing like his father.
Anyone familiar with Syria, knows he is popular...
Improve your memory, Youtube the early 2011 protests in Syria, Daraa and Hama in particular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War
The Assad's gov't response to legitimate protest in early 2011, along with decades of unjust rule, brought the misery to that country. THAT IS WHEN CHANGE NEEDED TO BE MADE. IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PROBLEM. The Assad gov't broke it and owns it. I've been there as a tourist. I saw how others were treated. You too can see on youtube. Other powers and interests have since been mucking it up further, in lame attempts to "fix" the situation.
Wiki? nothing there...
crackdown on protests is all over world...better worry about your own country than judge best Leader in ME
Same deal as former Yugoslavia, fiind some operatives, who find some animal thugs, thensend some violence in...authorities crack down accordingly..
always snipe some police
and media prepared to jump...
same was Libya....
and Ukraine, though Yanuk was too soft to stop the terrible violence against unarmed Berkut...
I know and talked to enough Syrians when this began..No problem with my memory
Syria was planned...
just one of a list...
Zango probably wrote the wiki entry on Syria before he began his new life as the latest in a long line of zino-trolls.
"The Assad's gov't response to legitimate protest in early 2011, along with decades of unjust rule, brought the misery to that country."
Like in Ukraine, Turkey-sponsored mercenary snipers shooting civilians brought about a heavy-handed response from Syria who couldn't attack Turkey without starting a larger war, and whose police couldn't deal with the problem while their army wasn't trained for civil unrest and didn't know who the enemy was.
How did Assad 'break it?'
If YouTube is where you get your news, only a superficial understanding will be gleaned. Assad was set up by outside forces (as he has said in many western interviews - Barbara Walters et al.) and was doomed to fail. The 'civil war' was not started by citizens of Syria.
And if you think anyone here should take the word of a tourist over that of veteran journalists who have covered this story with much more rigour, you overestimate the gullibility of ZH readers.
legitimate protest? LOL! Just who the hell do you think you are calling an armed insurrection against a legitimate government a legitimate protest? And who made you the judge of decades of unjust rule in Syria? You went there on a two-week package holiday once. That doesn't make you a fucking expert on decades of Syrian history - matey.
In an open society one is allowed to speak. This is the way one sees what is true and what is ideology, blood revenge, or what have you. Look at history and current events objectively and dispassionately from multiple sources and may be one can avoid negative consequences.
Very sadly, the effects of Assad's misrule speak for themselves … whether you like this obvious truth or not. I've been there and closely followed the early years of the civil war thinking of the people I met. Assad is a failed leader.
I do not cares if another thinks open discussion is rude and can't handle it. It is that person's problem.
The entire area is too immersed in history and old grudges. See where they have led to? The area needs to catch up to the 21st century, openess. It is precisely toleration that societies in general need.
And yes I do have an excellent knowledge of Syrian history. Or perhaps in your way of thinking only Syrians get to comment on Syrian history, or perhaps only certain portions of Syrian society, or perhaps only YOUR portion of Syrian society. Perhaps there should be a blood test or a religious test?
I mean this kindly, I partially understand the violence (to some degree).
Do you my friend see WHERE INTOLERANT THINKING HAS LED SYRIA?
“You do not have the right to speak.”
“No … you don’t have the right to speak.”
Welcome to civil war.
Well let's see shall we? Last year Israel responded to the death of three Israelis by launching an all-out war on Gaza that resulted in the death of over 2000 people, three-quarters of them innocent civilians, many of whom died as they were sheltering at hospitals and UN facilities.
Could you provide us with a single instance of Assad doing anything remotely similar in the time period you are talking about? In other words, prior to 2011, when Zion and Anglo-America launched their war against Syria.
And if you can't provide us with a single instance of this, perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us why you still think Syria should be destroyed but Israel not.
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I cannot and do not defend Israel. Although I have had wonderful Jewish friends all my life and a Jewish stepfather for about a year when I was seven or so. He sold us some lousy real estate and left. Never the less, I like Jewish people. I don’t understand why other’s don’t. As to Israel, the US is a misguided friend who won't wise the Israelis up to what the final consequences will be ... BTW, I told my evangelical Christian relatives that after my trip “I met a lot of wonderful people living truly Christian lives … the funny thing is … they were Muslims.” I was good for them. They needed their hair bent.
I have said Assad if a failed leader, i.e., as solution will not be found that will save his position. He had a poor hand dealt to him, legacy and all, again imho. I don’t think he’s a monster. I think he and his family were just in a difficult spot. His family should go to Canada, imho.
I guess it would be pretty lame not to say what I would do going forward. Do you think it would be possible to create a state along the Eastern Mediterranean, say a predominately Alawite state in pseudo federation with a Sunni state? I think the Russians would buy into a neo-Byzantine protectorate, Putin is that sort. He likes real estate.
Humoriously, the Turks on the Black Sea thought I was a Russian deserter ... charming visual. Ooops on this site, that will get you blasted!
I can't believe some of the knuckle draggers posting here ... confederate flag ... jeeze ... lost tribe.
you like living in the rubble that Syria has becom now Zangy? Want to go over there and fight Assad yourself? Or just send jihadists over there to do what you think is vital and good work? So you say Assad was a dictator? Well just how many churches did he destroy?
You were there when Assad Snr. was in power, were you? Working for MI6? CIA? Helping the provocateurs get the uprising off the ground on Israel's behalf? Directly involved in the assassination attempt on Assad Snr., perhaps?
Oh pleasssse ... I was a toursit went to Aleppo with family, also drove around Turkey, went to Mount Athos.
Oh I see - you went on a holiday to Aleppo and now you're an expert on Syria?
Remind me to say nasty things about the United States next time I visit Alaska. And about the whole of the UK next time I visit Altrincham.
Say what you will when you visit. The Syrian situation was obvious and the result even more so. Truth hurts but it is obviously the truth.
Ah now I understand. Wherever there's a country with 10% of its population unhappy with the government, proxy armies trained by the British, Americans and Israelis should intervene to impose freedom and democracy on that country using extreme and unprovoked violence? And the British and American media should launch an all-out propaganda campaign to defend this crime?
Because, as we all know, Pax Britannica is vastly superior to every other way of life on earth, and we won't have peace on earth until everybody gets to enjoy Pax Britannica in their own country.
Now I have you.
"free and fair election"
Eh. Nope. That's how you get cronyism, corruption. What is required is Direct Democracy. People have to vote directly on the issues presented.
Like the California petitioning process? Perhaps ideally but has been a mixed picture in California.
+1
Absolutely!
DD is the only way out of a police state without revolution.
LOL
No comment necessary.
the libyans loved ghadaffi. he was the best leader they ever had.
In what utopia does this materialize? Mankind has been been waiting a while. Republic was written how long ago??
"Fair" is an abstract with little to no meaning.
Power simply . . . will.
Say what you will, but Putin has projected the best model of the "benevolent dictator" (thats what detractors will say) the world has seen in . . . how long?
Many thinking people here in the west only dream of leaders like him.
Current society here in USA is not conducive to an enlightened populace.
I think in Russia (not an expert here), many like the way Putin puts Russia first, its people, culture and traditions grounded in a moral framework, in their case many agrred upon moral lines as defined by Christian Orthodoxy.
You can't do that in America because many people incorrectly think that multi-culturalism is the answer and that wealth equals success, no matter what the means to it.
Meanwhile in Russia (much older civilization) they teach history (the lessons and tragedies of history are closer to home)and focus on practical things (math and science) because thats what creates a functional society.
Some would argue that Putin is betraying Russians (IMF and WTO membership) while playing the comic book hero.
I tend to disagree. My ten cents go something like this . . . The cumulative actions point to the positive direction, that Putin knows that in order to change things he must compromise in areas, build Russia into a moral and millitary power, and then at the right time exit these agreements.
Still his response to the events after 9/11, BRICS etc . . . make one skeptical, but nothing is perfect.
Grass is greener?
Gadaffi and Assad were as legitimate as George W Bush was, who lost the popular vote to Al Gore in 2000.
And having snuck into the back door of the White House with a NEGATIVE MANDATE FROM AMERICAN VOTERS, he then preceded to WITHDRAW THE US FROM THE ABM TREATY AND TAKE US INTO A NEVERENDING WAR IN IRAQ AND ITS NEIGHBORS AND WHICH STILL OCCUPIES OUR MILITARY ACTIVITIES 12 YEARS LATER.
The US and the west think they own the world. By what right? By what authority? The US and its vassels will come to regret what they are doing, because it's morally and ethically wrong. History shows that type of behavior never stands for long, because of the attendant weakness it produces internally.
All powers should be very very selective in the use of force. It is very expensive.
In the case of Gadaffi, I would call his replacement a failure but his lack of WMD a success.
I've written a short piece about Gaddafi here, if you're interested.
Gaddafi at the UN asked for an investigation into the JFK assasination and on Larry King's show, he asked for an investigation into 911. When I saw that interview, I knew he was done for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDzeyrNigLA
http://www.globalresearch.ca/political-leaders-for-911-truth/12565
You prompted me to look for others.
9/11 is still their big weakness, that is where we need to put our focus. If we can convince one Pres candidate to take iton, his assassination will wake the world up.
So, who is dumb enough and we won't miss, better a martyr than living.
"Own the world" ... perhaps in conjunction with the other elites of the world ... they do.
Question: is the concept of the nation state maybe as passé as the concept of "the tribe"? Meant courtesy and politely, is this question that Russia needs to see? Again, I don’t mean to offend, but perhaps Marx et al is right and we are being dismantled by transnational capital. Transnational elites, transnational political movements, transnational corporations and the like. For example the US just lost the largest drug company in the world, Pfizer, to Ireland … a corporation whose value exceeds many nations … importantly the US only cares about lost tax revenue … the ownership elite is still in place.
Perhaps a city-state model with direct democracy would be more apropos to the global situation.
Yes, but the Internet makes base social and economic systems very different, so let's let things evolve.
Top-down guidance by the wise is so error-prone.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/thinking-about-thinking/
"By what right?", you ask. Why, by the only 'right' that matters at the end of the day: The Right of Might. Same as always. All else is or becomes Revisionist History.
IF the rest of the world truly wants to strip the US of its imperial power, then all they have to do is to work together, to drop the USD overnight, in a coordinated and synchronized fashion. The Chinese and Russians simply need to stop bitching; they need to step up to bat with their Golden Bats of gold-backed currency, and globally launch their own version of SWIFT (CIPS). Not interested in their bitching and moaning anymore; I get enough of that at home.
He's just talking about the Mid East, right?
In spite of the cautions of the Founders regarding foreign military interventions, maybe this is a good place to review how America went off the rails with a bellicose foreign policy, along with stateside military "interventions" somewhere in the 1890's.
Looking at where policy "jumped the rails", I encourage readers to pick up
"Everything you were taught about the Civil War is wrong" by Lochlain Seabrook.
It will challenge ones perceptions of US history, and if you were educated in the usa, it may challenge other ideas entrenched through "education".
Contrary to public opinion and international polling results, Bibi Nutandyahoo is not the long-awaited jewish messiah and israhell is not the holyland.
Long live Palestine.
Hillary Clinton, AFFLLUENZA sexagenarian, will recieve the Democratic nod as their presidential candidate. Despite being responsible for the mass killing of hundreds of thousands in the Middle East, as well as causing the dislocation of millions of innocents, no US Marshals are on the hunt for her. She was last seen on Saturday evening wearing a frayed burlap sack on American national television. Although seemingly calm and in control, she is clearly a lunatic who's "not giving up."
Terrorism 101 = Zionist propaganda
Why is it that terrorism on western soil is always against those who have nothing to do with aggression against Muslim nations?
You have these random “Muslims”, plan out these elaborate schemes to kill know-nothing civilians?
And for all their planning, these terrorists leave behind such clues as to paint a red X on their backs, and who are subsequently apprehended and killed (dead men/women, tell no tails.
Wolf Blitzer’s opening remarks during the republican debate, and mirrored during the democrat’s debate, is that “terrorism is American’s greatest concern”, says who?
We have to ask ourselves who benefits from such acts of terrorism, certainly not Muslims.
All the increased surveillance does not seem to do anything to reduce the incidence of terrorism, so why is that always the ONLY answer (and taking away American’s guns)?
Then there is the immediate claim of responsibility by ______________ (fill in with current Muslim extremist bogymen)
Why is it the ONLY “suspected terrorists” America’s security forces like the FBI seem to catch are always somehow affiliated or set up by said FBI? The media reports, “FBI breaks up terrorist plot”, and sometime later we hear how the supposed terrorists were everyday joes who were approached by a FBI informant and the informant lead them down the road to DO TERROROISM. That is to say, had it not been for the FBI informant, terrorism would not have crossed these people’s minds.
You can inconvenience Americans all you want with airport “security”, it all serves the purpose of making Americans hate Muslims that much more, but why does our US border remain wide open. Securing our border would harm the rich, harm many of those who while desire Muslim hate, don’t really give a shit about US security
Turn us into Israel.
Stop with this blatent display of critical thinking skills, already! That's supposed to have been "educated" out of you by now.
superb +1000
Used to be tough to bamboozle Americans, hell they'd kill crooked politicians and bankers in rural areas.
I'm not sure its all that easy to be a critical thinking person in the usa, or for that matter, anywhere. Its certainly lonely, but there are great examples of success out there, voices in the wilderness.
In the usa guys like George Carlin and Bill Hicks made their money laghing at HL Menken's "Boobus Amercanus" on display.
If only satire moved people to action.
Guess the joke is on us
Wolf Blizter once shouted on a confrontation with Michael Moore that questioned CNN biased line: "Lets not forget that this is a business!" Enough said from isreals spokesman.
In the mornin in the evnin... Ain't we got fun!
Not good to post links --peoples faces could put them in danger, and, could be against internet or western law. You should delete or edit-out the link.
Maybe you should post this at the investmentwatchblog as its they who are breaking the news.
Maybe take a look at the smoldering remains of what used to be the ME brought to us mostly by US paid Merc's. Maybe we should give them time to rebuild before we start blowing them up again,,, after all,,, it's not much fun bombing bomb craters and killing jihadist's we put in power.
peoples faces could put them in danger, and, could be against internet or western law. You should delete or edit-out the link.
You're probably right poco
It will be very embarrassing with roughly 20 dicks and "heads" severed on the end of a rifle bayonette with a sign that reads "No Boots on the Ground"! It's obviously up to the folks at the State Department when they finally succumb to use the embarassment of illegal invasions that are not sanctioned as poster children for the next major war they will initiate....
See the conundrum of that?...
Fixed it!!!
# "You should delete or edit-out the link."
You mean this one? What is this Western law you speak of? I thought all Western law was written in Tel Aviv. Hey, you don't happen to have any face shots of yourself you could put up do you? We'll need them for the Wanted posters. Thanks.
Vladimir Putin.
The only international leader of integrity and with respect for the rule of law.
For democracy.
And who works for his nation, his people and good of the planet.
He gets my vote.
While you are voting for Putin, why not impeach Obama and bring the lot of these people who are in charge and were in charge to trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity? You know why the USA is no longer crying for Assad's head? There is no one left in Syria to lead, they are either dead, wounded or refugees somewhere in Europe or risking their lives to get there.
If Assad was that bad to begin with, why was there no mass exodus before the USA Murder Machine went into action?
If Obama takes a bullet, he probably deserves one for his 'Kill' list.
There is no respect for humanity or sovereignty within the USA.
If Hitlary gets in, you guys are toast and the world may finally get down to sanctioning the 'Super Problem Child'. DC is like Kardashian and Jenner running a country.
Funny how times change. I used to respect the USA. JFK was probably the last leader you had who had any integrity, even if he liked the ladies.
Who in the current political system could we trust more than Obama? They are all lying scum.
Do you think Buzz Lightyear was modeled on John McCaine?
What character is modeled on Clinton?
I faintly remember the charred bodies of children in Waco Texas and a couple of missiles that were fired on Pakistan I believe during the Clinton watch. Bill was frantic trying to cover up the blue dress thingy.
I don't see anyone worthy to be President at this time.
Maybe the US should go without a president and congress for a few years and put some retraints on the military and CIA in respect to anything outside of the USA borders
Sudan asprin factory, levelled with a Monica Missle.
ursula from the little mermaid
Vote here
http://dearputin.com/
People ought to read Washington's Farewell Address, again. Especially those in power, to see that they have done exactly what he warned us against doing, and done it for the reasons he oultined we never should.
The relevant parts:
In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.
So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.
As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.
Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests. (Emphasis mine - Kagemusho.)
If anything, the conditions he warned against have beome national policy...with the results ol' George predicted they would have. This is partly why we're so fuq'd
Indeed, and I just read about one of the current beneficiaries of a bellicose foreign policy: Raytheon just landed a $2,500,000,000 DOD contract for ~1500 super-duper bombs. Some of that profit gets recycled into bribing/lobbying Congress, some of the Generals that picked Raytheon join the defense lobbying group after retirement, and the beat goes on.
This from the guy who took a ragtag bunch of farmers and beat the world's leading military superpower.
So...Ted Cruz does not think George Washington was a patriot then.
Ted Cruz is not a natural born American citizen.
His opinion should not matter.
and Obama's should?
This natural born stuff has been shredded by sites like:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/mar/26/ted-cruz-bor...
Reading that one discovers a person born in the US, regardless of the parents nationality or legal status is a natural born citizen.
The true definition of a natural born citizen of any country has been so hidden, changed or obscured that even using the term is a joke,,, and the jokes on us.
No,,, it's just another piece of the constitution (and language) forever gone.
No that is opinion...open to debate
if there was rule of law, would be settled.
there is also some about Parents not completed paperwork
And questions about Mother's claim of birthplace
Cruz is less than open and honest
he is owned
The Republican government the founders designed disintegrated in 1865 and was formally put to sleep in 1900's with the militia act and the 17th amendment. From 1913 to now the constitution has been completely eviscerated. Only a few tidbits still survive and they will be gone soon. States and Citizens are no longer the sovereign as originally designed under the Articles. States are now lines on a map depicting Federal Regions. With the passage of the income tax amendment (16th) the sovereignty was passed from Citizens to the National Government. What was left of the Constitution has been / is being destroyed by unconstitutional trade treaties like the TTP and laws like the so called Patriot Act the NDAA and the like.
The Democrat Party is now a socialist-communist party. The Republican Party has been officially killed with this years budget (OmmniBus) passage and are socialist-fascist. Even Rushbo admits the Party is dead. With both party's stepping in lockstep the remains of the once proud nation will disintegrate into a collection of unstable groups all vying for power and some piece of the pie. We are already seeing this at the colleges and universities and now the the bond of ethnicity has taken precedence over the pride of national citizenship.There are no Americans today,,, only hyphen-Americans.
With the acceptance of the TTP and other Treaties the USA and the People will be divvied up to the now international corporations which already reign all powerful in the national and state governments. Already 60% of the people are not in the workforce,,, 70% of the rest are waiters and bartenders. The American Dream of opportunity is dead.
Washington himself signed the first central bank. He also used national troops to put down a tax rebellion.He was the first president and the first to usurp the constitution he himself helped design. All Presidents preach the preach when leaving office. Even the worst,,, Wilson.
At some point the American cadaver is going to have to be declared officially dead. I suppose it can go on for awhile but what's the point?
"The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest."
But why would a nation develop a fondness or hatred of another? The only reason I can think of, aside from a few exceptions, involves when a clique ends up running a nation. The interests of a rich mercantile clique outweigh that of the citizens. Athens in the 5th century. Isolation isn't an answer either though. What a conundrum.
For a partial answer, google 'June 6 2008 Chantilly Virginia', then google 'June 6 2012 Chantilly Virginia'. Just that, nothing more.
This is historical fact. The meetings took place. The latter one was only to reaffirm the previous meeting's agenda. So shameless, they even returned to the scene of the crime.
One can only infer a very important decision occured at the former meeting. A selection was made. A deal was offered the loser of the selection, with a seemingly important job as a sinecure, with a later shot at the title.
For only a moment, the dorsal fin of the monster residing in the depths of the political pond breached the surface. The Ozian curtain was lifted, and we saw what was behind it, before the captive media very swiftly dropped it again and assured us, while standing in front of it, that there wasn't even a curtain, much less anyone behind it, nothing to see here, ooh, lookee there, 'Dancing with the Stars' is on tonight!
But try to tell Mencken's 'Booboisie' (Boobus Americanus') this and they think you're a candidate for a rubbber room and a Thorazine diet.
If you repeatedly feel a soreness in your anal area, and you look behind you at the swarm of very wealthy and powerful individuals wielding sawed-off broomsticks dripping blood, and cannot make the connection, then you can be excused due to Nature short-changing you in the cognition department. But if you refuse to, then you deserve what you get.
Funny how the terrorists never attack the Bilderberg meetings or the elite. One might think, nah, that couldn't be.
For a detailed read on your theory see:
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id934.html
And for another partial answer, just google 'Larry Franklin FBI'
Ol' George is talking to us, right now, from across the centuries.
I always suspected Darth Vader was from the US gov't.
All of this USA exterior politics has failed.
Given that f* Wesley Clark Plan and seeing what happened to Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and now Syria:
This is a hell of a mess! They are responsible for all that BS we have now.
What to do with Iran, I wonder?
Leave them alone and let Israel worry about it.
mvsjcl - Please humor us and explain why you feel the need to do something about Iran. Did the WaPo or NYT plant this false meme in your head?
Man's inhumanity to his fellow man, regardless of reason. Looks like we haven't progressed at all from cave dwellers.
Just imagine the atrocities Hitlery is capable of.
“We the People” allegedly enjoying “freedom and democracy” {SARC} may pay a very high price for losing control of our governments.
Compared to Hitlery, Caligula would be a Baptist preacher.
Hitlery - "We came. We saw. We murdered."
the only real "international" law is the resolve to use the 100 megatoner.
The USA lost its moral compass decades age as any informed person can see. Like any bully they just dont know when to stop. Unfortunately for us all, there is no good outcome to all of this. The US position as a declining hedgemon. their precarious financial position and their disregard for their own constitution, historically, points to war, They can and will not stop until they destroy civilization (in order to keep control). Their corrupt and sociopathic oligarchs dont really care because they know that human overpopulation is radicaly changing the planet and depleting "their" resources, They have hardened fallout shelters and are hoping to survive the inevetable human cull. Quite frankly. I dont blame them. I would do the same if I had the means. On the brighter side, at least we live in interesting times lol
And what Putin did in Crimea wasn't a forcible regime change?
The pot calling the kettle black.
No, what the US did in Ukraine was, though. Putin defended their right to a democratic process. They voted (90+%) to join Russia, remember?
wasn't a forcible regime change?
No
The Ukraine was not - it was the re uniting of part of Russia with the whole at the people's will.
But what Clinton and Blair did to the Serbs in the Serbs own province of Kosovo certainly was.
78 days and nights of unrelenting NATO bombs from 30,000 feet on a defenceless civilian population.
Now that is 'forcible regime change'.
I think the blame needs to be spread equally.
Back when Russia was the Soviet Union, they exported a huge number of Marxist revolutionaries to the distant corners of the planet. Those revolutionaries had no qualms about using force to achieve their political goals. Likewise, China also did its share of exporting fervent socialists.
Yes, the USA engaged in a large number of highly destructive wars that left millions of people dead. There's no doubt that the "anti-Communism" fervor reached a degree of paranoia at times.
This was the direct cost of the First Cold War.
We now seem to be entering a new Second Cold War, where the superpowers are again putting on their boxing gloves and stepping into the ring. But in addition, there are a LOT of other countries that are also supporting interventionist policies. It's a multi-polar problem now.
There is only one human species on this planet. We are gambling with our own annihilation. Every day that we focus on WAR ... that's one less day that we have to find positive solutions in this world.
"I think the blame needs to be spread equally."
How can you compare the Soviet Union with Russia under Putin? The people who have led the US into war are still alive and their policies are still being implemented. Putin respects international law, the US doesn't.
Regime change is against international law, but this has not stopped the US using this as a policy of choice and publicly coming out and saying it!
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...
Spambot twice now spammed same link in this comments thread.
Go fuck, spambot!
A hater of something/someone? Is called a "mis-guided" fans. Why? He/She pays more attentions to the object of his/her hatred. Don't you see that by now?
Your hater? Pays more attentions to you, than even your own friends. Cause he/she, wants to use anything that you do/don't? To justify their hatred reasons. (And hence the logic of that hatred? Is actually a misguided fans).
Now,there's a saying, "You DON'T NEED to explains, that you're a good man, to the circle of your friends. And you DON'T BOTHERED to explains, that you're a good man, to whoever hates you. Cause it would be useless."
And that's pretty much sums up the life guides on how to handle this kind of men.
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The fallacy of hatred? Youcput you're putting too much energy to inflames & focussing your hatred to something/someone, and you ignored the things that you SHOULD be focussing instead. Such as your life. And things that would affect your future life.
That is why i just smiles when seeing this kind of people.
Let see, most of the Putin's hater? Consumed much of their energy on finding every small little tidbits of him & his country? That this hates people forgot to learns what their country are doings (which directly affect DIRECTLY their live), and what their country acts (domestic/foreign) would carry consequences directly to their future life.
Let me makes example. I have little sisters that live in US. I've trying for years to either bring her back to my coubtry, or moves to another country.
Why? For years i follows (and downloaded many data sets from US govt own report/predictions. And even the most optimistic predictions ( and logic), the US economic policies would destroys the entire US own country.
If i hated US? I can't learns all these data, cause immediately i'll treats is as "fakes". And that's would be dangerous for my futures, and my sister's.
So, i promised her, to give, everything i learns, and informs her as much as i can (through the languange tyat she can accept) about her country. I don't want her to be the one that would brunt the faults that her govt do for decades.
And that? I can't do, if i put hatred to US.
If, if only, Putin would blast the f--- out of those interventionists. Forget checkmate, biding one's time and thereby allowing uncle sam to come up with another devious ploy.
Blast those EU trash while you're at it even if we all have to die in peace.
Hillary said last night (reiterated actually) that she was in favor of a no fly zone, and a moderator asked her if this meant she would fire on Syrian or Russian Aircraft, and she mumbled something about a coalition WITH Russia? ( I think) but hell, who is then the target of the no fly order? Syria? Russia? the US?
She would not say who the heck she would fire on. This statement is the most absurd unclear, and frankly dangerous and stupid thing about Syria I could imagine.
Interesting message Putin gives at competition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyqAFO7RJeg
Amazing. I knew he spoke some English but that was good.
Last night, Hilliary looked like a Chia Pet in that atrocious piece of clothing - from behind, she looked like a character out of South Park... America, do you REALLY want a piece of SHIT as your next President?....
"America, do you REALLY want a piece of SHIT as your next President?...."
My dad does...hes going to vote for Hillary. He thinks Trump is unqualified because when he was asked a certain question in an interview his response was "you bet your ass". He also thinks you should have to be a politician for at least 4 years before being qualified to be POTUS.
Proof that age doesnt always bring wisdom.
I'm old and I agree with you and NOT your dad. ;))
Your dad needs to work on remembering where he dropped his balls off.
Zango the Magnificent One must go … plumbing and painting work to do.
In summary, agreed … US/western foreign policy is often misguided, “quick on the draw”, manipulated by elite self-interests.
But loosen your stirups, my ideological partners, … see the nature of change. For good or ill nation states are a failing concepts. Ideology is becoming a mind numbing bore. Respect for authority can only be enforced ... The world is changing very fast. The disruptors are making the old values, just that old.
In my best Californian, “like totally bogus … dude … that is soooooooo history”.
Eat your gold! Eat your oil! Amazon, Google, free internet speech, cell phone cameras … The disruptors are crushing.
So worshiping or vilifying “leaders” is straight from the ignoramus patch. Look objectively at their actions. They are your fucking servants!
Live your life before it’s gone.
Free your mind while there is still time.
Zango sez … poof!