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Saudi Arabia: The Source Of Islamic Radicalism

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By Nauman Sadiq

 

Saudi Arabia: The Mainspring Of Islamic Radicalism

If we look at the evolution of Islamic religion and culture throughout the 20th and 21st centuries, it hasn’t been natural. Some deleterious mutations have occurred somewhere which have negatively impacted the Islamic societies all over the world. Social selection (or social conditioning) plays the same role in the social sciences which the natural selection plays in the biological sciences: that is, it selects the traits, norms and values which are most beneficial to the host culture. Seen from this angle, social diversity is a desirable quality for social progress; because when diverse customs and value-systems compete with each other, the culture retains the beneficial customs and values and discards the deleterious traditions and habits.
 
A decentralized and unorganized religion, like Sufi Islam, engenders diverse strains of beliefs and thoughts which compete with one another for gaining social acceptance and currency. A highly centralized and tightly organized religion, on the other hand, depends more on authority and dogma rather than value and utility. A centralized religion is also more ossified and less adaptive to change compared to a decentralized religion.
 
When we look at the phenomena of religious extremism and the consequent militancy and terrorism in the Af-Pak region in particular and the Islamic world in general, it is not a natural evolution of religion, some deleterious mutations have occurred somewhere which have negatively affected the whole of Islamic world. Most Pakistani political commentators blame the Pakistani security establishment for deliberate promotion of religious extremism and militancy throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s in order to create a Jihadi narrative which suited the institutional interests and strategic objectives of the Pakistani military.
 
There is no denying of this evident fact that the Pakistani security establishment had wantonly nurtured Islamic radicalism and militancy in the Af-Pak region but the Pakistani military’s support for Islamic jihadism during the Cold War is only one factor in an array of factors in order to reach a comprehensive understanding of the phenomena of Islamic radicalism and the agents that are responsible for it; because the phenomena of Islamic extremism is not limited to the Af-Pak region, the whole of Islamic world from Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria to Indonesia, Malaysia and even the Muslim minorities of Thailand, China and Philippines have also become the victims of this phenomena and obviously the region-specific security establishments do not have any influence over all the geographically separate and remote regions of the Islamic world.
 
In my opinion, the real culprit behind the rise of Islamic extremism and jihadism in the Islamic world is Saudi Arabia. The “Aal-e-Saud” (the descendants of Saud) have no hereditary claim to “the Throne of Mecca” since they are not the descendants of the prophet, nor even from the tribe of Quresh (there is a throne of Mecca which I will explain later.) They were the most primitive and marauding nomadic tribesmen of Najd who defeated the Sharifs of Mecca violently after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in the First World War. Their title to the throne of Saudi Arabia is only de facto and not de jure, since neither do they have a hereditary claim to the Saudi monarchy nor do they hold elections to ascertain the will of the Saudi people. Thus, they are the illegitimate rulers of Saudi Arabia and they feel insecure because of their illegitimacy, a fact which explains their heavy-handed and brutal tactics in dealing with any kind of dissent, opposition or movement for reform in Saudi Arabia.
 
The phenomena of religious extremism and jihadism all over the Islamic world is directly linked to the Wahhabi-Salafi madrassahs which are generously funded by the Saudi and Gulf’s petro-dollars. These madrassahs attract children from the most impoverished backgrounds in the Third World Islamic countries because they offer the kind of incentives and facilities which even the government-sponsored public schools cannot provide: such as, free boarding and lodging, no tuition fee at all, and free of cost books and stationery.
 
Apart from madrassahs, another factor that promotes the Wahhabi-Salafi ideology in the Islamic world is the ritual of Hajj and Umrah (the pilgrimage to Mecca and Medina.) Every year millions of Muslim men and women travel from all over the Islamic world to perform the pilgrimage in order to wash their sins. When they return home to their native countries after spending a month or two in Saudi Arabia, along with clean hearts and souls, dates and “zamzam,” they also bring along the tales of Saudi hospitality and their “true” and puritanical version of Islam, which some Muslims, especially the rural-tribal folk, find attractive and worth-emulating.
 
Authority plays an important role in any thought system; the educated people accept the authority of the specialists in their respective field of specialty; similarly, the lay folk accept the authority of the theologians and clerics in the interpretation of religion and scriptures. Aside from authority, certain other factors also play a part in an individuals’ psychology: like, purity or the concept of sacred, and originality and authenticity, as in the concept of being closely corresponding to an ideal or authentic model. Just like the modern naturalists who prefer organic food and natural habits and lifestyles, because of their supposed belief in “the essential goodness of nature” (naturalistic fallacy,) or due to their disillusionment from the man-made fiascoes, the religious folks also prefer a true version of Islam which is closer to the putative authentic Islam as practiced in Mecca and Medina: “the Gold Standard of Petro-Islam.”
 
Yet another factor which contributes to the rise of Wahhabi-Salafi ideology throughout the Islamic world is the immigrant factor. Millions of Muslim men, women and families from all over the Third World Islamic countries live and work in the energy-rich Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait and Oman. Some of them permanently reside there but mostly they work on temporary work permits. Just like the pilgrims, when they come back to their native villages and towns, they also bring along the tales of Arab hospitality and their version of “authentic Islam.” Spending time in Arab countries entitles one to pass authoritative judgments on religious matters, and having a cursory understanding of Arabic, the language of Quran, makes one equivalent of a Qazi (a learned jurist) among the illiterate village folk; and they simply reproduce the customs and attitudes of the Arabs as an authentic version of Islam to their communities.
 
The Shi’a Muslims have their Imams and Marjahs (religious authorities) but it is generally assumed about Sunni Islam that it discourages the authority of the clergy. In this sense, Sunni Islam is closer to Protestantism, at least theoretically, because it prefers an individual and personal interpretation of scriptures and religion. It might be true for the educated Sunni Muslims but on a popular level of the masses of the Third World Islamic countries “the House of Saud” plays the same role in Sunni Islam that the Pope plays in Catholicism. By virtue of their physical possession of the holy places of Islam – Mecca and Medina – they are the ex officio “Caliphs of Islam.” The title of the Saudi King: “Khadim-ul-Haramain-al-Shareefain” (Servant of the House of God), makes him a vice-regent of God on Earth; and the title of “the Caliph of Islam” is not limited to a single nation state, he wields enormous influence throughout “the Commonwealth of Islam: the Muslim Ummah.”
 
Now, when we hear slogans like “no democracy, just Islam” on the streets of the Third World Islamic countries, one wonders that what kind of an imbecile would forgo his right to choose one’s government through a democratic and electoral process? This confusion about democracy is partly due to the fact that the masses often conflate democracy with liberalism without realizing that democracy is only a political process of choosing one’s representatives and legislators through an electoral process, while liberalism is a cultural mindset which may or may not be suitable for a backward Third World society depending on its existing level of social evolution. From an evolutionary perspective a bottom-up, gradual and incremental social change is more conducive and easily adoptable compared to a top-down, sudden and radical approach.
 
One feels dumbfounded, however, when even some educated Muslims argue that democracy is un-Islamic and that an ideal Islamic system of governance is Caliphate. Such an ideal Caliphate could be some Umayyad or Abbasid model that they conjure up in their minds, but in practice the only beneficiaries of such an anti-democratic approach are the illegitimate tyrants of the Arab World who claim to be the Caliphs of Islam albeit indirectly and in a nuanced manner: that is, the Servants of the House of God and the Keepers of the Holy places of Islam.
 
The illegitimate, and hence insecure, tyrants adopt different strategies to maintain and prolong their hold on power. They readily adopt the pragmatic advice of Machiavelli to his patrons: “Invent enemies and then slay them in order to control your subjects.” The virulently anti-Shi’a rhetoric of the Gulf-based Wahhabi-Salafi preachers, who are on the payroll of the Gulf’s petro-monarchies, appears to be a cunning divide-and-rule strategy on the lines of Machiavelli. The Arab petro-sheikhs cannot construct a positive narrative that can delineate their achievements, that’s why they espouse a negative narrative that casts the “evil Other” in a bad light.
 
The Sunni-Shi’a conflict is essentially a political and economic conflict which is presented to the lay Muslims in a veneer of religiosity. Saudi Arabia has the world’s largest “proven” petroleum reserves, 265 billion barrels, and its daily crude oil production is 10 million barrels (equivalent to 15% of the global crude oil production.) However, 90 % of the Saudi petroleum reserves and infrastructure is situated along the Persian Gulf, but this sparsely populated region comprises the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia which has a significant and politically active Shi’a minority. Any separatist tendency in this Achilles heel of Saudi Arabia is met with sternest possible reaction. Saudi Arabia sent thousands of its own troops to help the Bahraini regime quell the Shi’a rebellion in the wake of “the Arab Spring” uprisings in the Shi’a-majority Bahrain, which is also geographically very close to the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia.
 
Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism is a threat to the Western countries but the Islamic countries are encountering a much bigger threat of inter-sectarian conflict. For centuries the Sunni and Shi’a Muslims have coexisted in relative peace throughout the Islamic World but now certain vested interests are deliberately stoking the fire of inter-sectarian strife to distract attention away from the Home Front: that is, the popular movements for democracy and enfranchisement in the Arab World.
 
Islam is regarded as the fastest growing religion of the 20th and 21st centuries. There are two factors that are primarily responsible for this atavistic phenomena of Islamic resurgence: firstly, unlike Christianity which is more idealistic, Islam is a more practical religion, it does not demands from its followers to give up worldly pleasures but only aims to regulate them; and secondly, Islam as a religion and political ideology has the world’s richest financiers. After the 1973 collective Arab oil embargo against the West in the wake of the Arab-Israeli war, the price of oil quadrupled; the Arab petro-sheikhs now have so much money that they don’t know where to spend it? This is the reason why we are witnessing an exponential growth of Islamic charities and madrassas all over the world and especially in the Islamic World.
 
Although the Arab sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and some emirates of UAE, excluding the comparatively liberal Dubai, generally sponsor the Wahhabi-Salafi brand of Islam but the differences between numerous sects of Sunni Islam are more nominal than substantive. The Islamic charities and madrassas belonging to all the Sunni denominations get generous funding from the Gulf Arab states as well as private donors. Therefore, the genie of petro-Islamic extremism cannot be contained until and unless that financial pipeline is cut off. And to do that we need to promote the moderate democratic forces in the Arab world even if they are moderately Islamic.
 
The moderate and democratic Islamism is different from the monarcho-theocratic Islamism of the Gulf variety, because the latter is an illegitimate and hence an insecure regime; to maintain its hold on power it needs subterfuges and external rivals to keep the oppositional internal threats to its survival under check. Takfirism (labelling others as infidels) and jihadism are a manifestation of this Machiavellian trend. In the nutshell, Islam is only a religion, just like any other cosmopolitan religion, be it Christianity, Hinduism or Buddhism; we don’t have to find any ‘exceptionalist’ justifications to explain the phenomena of Islamic resurgence; it’s the petro-Islamic extremism and the consequent phenomena of Takfirism and jihadism, which is like a collision of the continental tectonic plates that has engulfed the whole of Islamic world from the Middle East and North Africa region to Af-Pak and Southeast Asia.
 
Some people are under the impression that democracy and Islam are inconsistent. But I don’t see any contradiction between democracy and Islam, as such. Though, I admit that there is some friction between Islam and liberalism. When we say that there is a contradiction between Islam and democracy, we make “a category mistake” which is a very serious logical fallacy. There is a big difference between democracy and liberalism. Democracy falls under the category of politics while liberalism falls in the category of culture. We must be precise about the definitions of the terms that we employ.
 
Democracy is simply a representative political system that ensures representation, accountability, the right of the electorate to vote governments in and to vote governments out. In this sense when we use the term democracy we simply mean a multi-party representative political system that confers legitimacy upon a government which comes to power through an election process which is a contest between more than one political parties in order to ensure that it is voluntary. Thus democracy is nothing more than a multi-party representative political system.
 
Democracy is not the best of systems because it is the most efficient political system. Top-down authoritarian dictatorships are more efficient than democracies. But democracy is a representative political system that brings about grass roots social change. Enfranchisement, representation, transparency, accountability, checks and balances, rule of law and the consequent institution-building, nation-building and consistent long-term policies are the hallmarks of a representative and democratic political system.
 
Immanuel Kant had famously said that moral autonomy produces moral responsibility and maturity. In my opinion this axiom also applies to politics and governance. Political autonomy, democracy and self-governance leads to political responsibility and social maturity. A top-down political system is dependent on the artificial, external force that keeps it going. The moment you remove that force, the society reverts back to its old state and the system collapses. But a grass roots, bottom-up political system evolves naturally and intrinsically. We must not expect from the movements for democracy and enfranchisement in the Arab World to produce results immediately. The evolution of the Western culture took place over a course of many centuries; the movements for political reform in the Arab World are only the beginning of a long and arduous journey.
 
In order to explain this phenomena by way of an allegory, democracy is like a school and people are like children. We only have two choices: one, to keep the people under paternalistic dictatorships; two, to enroll them in the school of representative democracy and let them experience democracy as a lived reality rather than some stale and sterile theory. The first option will only produce half-witted retards, but the second option will give birth to an educated human resource that doesn’t just consume resources but also creates new resources. We are on a historic juncture in the Arab World in particular and the Islamic World in general. This is the beginning of a new era; this is the beginning of the Islamic Renaissance and Enlightenment.

 

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Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:36 | 6946226 Croesus
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Screw the Saudi "Royal" family. Useless bunch of people, if there ever was. Someone should "jihad" them. 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:02 | 6946314 Buckaroo Banzai
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The fundamental premise of this article is bullshit. You could easily argue that the Saudis are financing Islamic Radicalism; but the "source" of Islamic Radicalism is the Koran; it's in the book!

"But beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference.  Quite simply, the Quran teaches supremacy, hatred and hostility.

Consider the elements that define hate speech:

  • Drawing a distinction between one’s own identity group and those outside it
  • Moral comparison based on this distinction
  • Devaluation or dehumanization of other groups and the personal superiority of one's own
  • The advocating of different standards of treatment based on identity group membership
  • A call to violence against members of other groups

Sadly, and despite the best intentions of many decent people who are Muslim, the Quran qualifies as hate speech on each count.

The holiest book of Islam (61% of which is about non-Muslims) draws the sharpest of distinctions between Muslims (the best of people, 3:110) and non-believers (the worst of creatures, 98:6).  Praise is lavished on the former while the latter is condemned with scorching generalization. 

Far from teaching universal love, the Quran incessantly preaches the inferiority of non-Muslims, even comparing them to vile animals and gloating over Allah's hatred of them and his dark plans for their eternal torture.  Muslims are told that they are destined to dominate non-believers, against whom harsh treatment is encouraged.

Polished Muslim pundits in the West are fond of using the word 'bigot' to describe critics of Islam, but they are rarely challenged on their own view of the Quran.  What does the book they claim to be the literal and eternal word of Allah really say about non-Muslims?

 

The Quran Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth

The Quran makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)

Not all men are equal under Islam.  Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76).  The Quran introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

Neither are Muslim believers equal to non-Muslims:

Are those who know equal to those who know not? (39:09)

Is the blind equal to the one who sees"  Or darkness equal to light? (13:16)

A believing slave is superior to an unbeliever (2:221)

The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book [Christians and Jews] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)

As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40). 

Much of the Quran is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter.  Among other things, non-Muslims are said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

The first sura of the Quran is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:

Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)

Muhammad was once asked if this pertained to Jews and Christians.  His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).

Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives.  The Quran tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are severe against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves (48:29)

The Arabic word used to describe the ideal treatment of non-Muslims (shin-dal-dal) is the same word used in over 25 places in the Quran to describe how painful Allah has made Hell for them.

Islamic law actually forbids formal Muslim charity (in the form of the zakat payment) from being used to meet the needs of non-believers.

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over unbelievers:

And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)

The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)

A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others.  Now you know why.

 

The Quran Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals

The Ayatollah Khomeini, who dedicated his entire life to studying Islam, said that non-Muslims  rank somewhere between "feces" and the "sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food."  Small wonder.  The Quran dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:

Those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.  Verse 7:179 says they are like "cattle" only worse. 

Verse 5:60 says the unbelievers are unclean.  Verse 6:111 says they are ignorant.  Verse 23:55 says they are helpers of the devil.

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs.  This is echoed by verses 7:166 and 2:65

A hadith (Bukhari 54:524) says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons who believe in Muhammad. 

According to Islamic law, non-Muslims may be owned as property by Muslims, but - in keeping with Islam's supremacist message - a fellow Muslim should never be (unless they convert to Islam under enslavement).  Even Christians and Jews are not considered fully human in that the penalty for killing one of them is limited to one-third of the compensation due for unintentionally killing a Muslim.

 

The Quran Says that Allah does NOT Love Unbelievers

Christianity teaches that God loves all people, but hates sin.  The Quran never says this.  Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:

He does not love the unbelievers (30:45)

Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad, who provided the "narration"):

 Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger": But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith. (3:32)

Instead of a god that loves the sinner, even while hating the sin, the wrath of Allah is placed squarely on the individual:

Surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful. (22:38)

Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone.  For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:

And Allah's is the direction of the way, and some (roads) go not straight. And had He willed He would have led you all aright. (16:9)

For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments, including eternal roasting:

Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (4:56)

"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98) and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate."

More here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Quran-Hate.htm

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:02 | 6946318 El Oregonian
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The Royal Shamily

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:28 | 6946397 the phantom
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To an extent.  THe Old Testament also calls for stoning of adulters and homosexuals, as well as other "nasties"... but you don't see the Jews taking these passages LITERALLY... like many of our muslim friends do.  Of course, the Jews have other ways of "subjugation", but that's another topic.  Point is, as societies evolve, so must their religious interpretations.  One of the great religions has not.  I wonder which one that is?

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 15:52 | 6946646 Buckaroo Banzai
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You simply can't compare the Old Testament to the Koran.

"Now let's go to the Hebrew Bible. When we count all the political violence, we find that 5.6% of the text is devoted to it. There is no admonition towards political violence in the New Testament.

When we count the magnitude of words devoted to political violence, we have 327,547 words in the Trilogy [ Koran, Sira, and Hadith] and 34,039 words in the Hebrew Bible. The Trilogy [Koran, Sira, and Hadith] has 9.6 times as much wordage devoted to political violence as the Hebrew Bible.
The real problem goes far beyond the quantitative measurement of ten times as much violent material; there is also the qualitative measurement. The political violence of the Koran is eternal and universal. The political violence of the Bible was for that particular historical time and place. This is the vast difference between Islam and other ideologies. The violence remains a constant threat to all non-Islamic cultures, now and into the future. Islam is not analogous to Christianity and Judaism in any practical way. Beyond the one-god doctrine, Islam is unique unto itself."

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/09/the_political_violence_o...

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 16:25 | 6946750 Manthong
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The koran is a subjugation operators guide and manual.

Hell, even word "islam" means "submit"

Perpetual struggle and war.. 

Gee, I wonder where they keep the official White House, Pentagon, CIA and FEMA korans...

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Sun, 12/20/2015 - 21:47 | 6947541 bird_1234
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This (49:13) of Koran

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

 

All people're the equal.

Mon, 12/21/2015 - 15:25 | 6949985 Gonzogal
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You REALLY need to watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEnWw_lH4tQ

 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:38 | 6946427 MrNosey
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'Saudi Arabia: The Source Of Islamic Radicalism'

But the friend of all western governments!

The agenda continues on unabated.......

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:32 | 6946228 Soul Glow
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It was funny last night when Bernie said, "Saudi Arabia should help fight ISIS" because he doesn't know the House of Saud is ISIS.

Idiots for President '16!!!!

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:42 | 6946252 chunga
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I don't watch any of that stuff. Can any political afficianados out there tell me which candidate speaks out against Saudi Arabia or mentions that the bastion of freedom and democracy, 'Murika, is firmly aligned with these maniacal tyrants? Or do they all just ignore this and tout their plans that are based on things that are completely false?

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:10 | 6946340 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Can any political afficianados out there tell me which candidate speaks out against Saudi Arabia"

Trump, of course.

"Has your country, Saudi Arabia, taken ANY of the Syrian refugees? If not, why not?"

http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/675932562523594753

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:29 | 6946399 chunga
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ok, i was letting cynicism get the best of me. that's some powerful stuff

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:03 | 6946316 thunderchief
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Bernie Sanders is a useful socialist idiot that can't seem to stop apologising to Hillary. 

He is a good example of how soft, feel good socialism becomes full on police state Facism.  

He will make a great VP, which seems to be his wet dream, just like that fat fuck, bridge blocking pig on the Republican ticket.  I'm so pissed I forgot his name, fatso...

A good read on Saudi is The Bin Ladins.  Just a normal family, very influenced by the USA and west.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:14 | 6946352 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bernie as VP? No, they'll find some non-entity to be VP, someone who fits the Joe Biden profile. Maybe that shitstain who is the governor of Maryland. They might be promising Bernie the VP slot if he is a good doggie, but they will reneg and he will be dumped into a cabinet position suitable to his communist ideology, like HUD or DOE.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 15:55 | 6946663 thunderchief
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You underestimate the need for Grandpa Bernie post Gen-X national Socialism.

He will be just like the Kaiser under Hitler,  ready to address the audience with his ass turned to them and senile. 

Fuck we are doomed.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 15:47 | 6946633 warpigs
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Right?  And please stop fucking complimenting her to the applause of the crowd you fuckface. Doesn't this guy's handlers know that despite making him look nice, it makes Hitlery look even better and improves her internals?  What are we watching??

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 15:21 | 6946559 warpigs
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How does just about any ZH reader know that 1) the U.S. created AQ and that 2) the U.S. created ISIS while every single fucking candidate from both parties goes on live tv and spouts off shit as if they believe ISIS is just some bad element that magically formed to fill various power vacuums over there?

 

Either they really do not fucking know the truth, or they all get some talking points memo to chatter about ISIS endlessly so that the American public gets all tuned up and freaked out so the war machine can effortlessly grind on. It is analogous to me fibbing with my son about Santa being real, and him eating it up hook line and sinker. I amazingly watched the D debate last night and 50% of that shitshow was dedicated to these assholes jockeying for the most hawkish position on some kind of ISIS remedy.

 

The debate was conveniently prececed by, mix with during debate breaks, and followed by, big pharma commercials for stupid fuckers wanting pills, dentures, and other telltale signs this nation is entirely fucked. Even Hitlarry herself arrived late from a commercial break because she took too long pissing? I bet she told her handlers the entire thing was stupid as she is already the bought and paid for candidate, and they probably had to forcibly shove her back on stage to finish on principle.

 

My New Year's resolution will be to slap every stupid friend and family member I have and who is even remotely scared about ISIS.

 

I'm nervous that if I share real information with my 8yr old son, he'll end up dispensing it to a teacher during some innocuous debate in 2nd grade, I'll get a call from the admin, the State will be there taking notes, and my kid will become some odd-ball outlier who is awake at the wheel while all of his drugged up classmates march around with extended index fingers over their top lips as they rant and rave about global warming and goosestep around the class together.

 

What the fuck is a father supposed to do with his children when the entire United States media machine has brainwashed nearly everyone from kids to adults who long ago gave up and now sit around shitting themselves? Do I quietly tell him the real deal and make him promise he won't drop the truth on others until there is some mass awakening into which he can plug?

 

The messed up thing is that the most "educated" of my friends seem to be the most fucked up as they cling to some dogma that was dripped onto them from an academic setting by some prof that was drilled by one of the larger factories for bullshit but which carry high praise in our nation. I entered and won an aggressive debate with one of my good friends who graduated from U of Chicago, top of his class for a doctorate, and who would not stop reiterating stupid incantations about the efficient-market hypothesis. When we were finished, he quietly left, went home, and he said he crushed a bottle of scotch and freaked out that he had racked up an amazing fucking load of student debts on utterly worthless bullshit. Now, apparently, it's my fault he is having a crisis of confidence about what he should believe.  What an asshole.  Why don't all those prick college kids who are whining about micro-aggressions and safe spaces do something worthwhile like burn down those academic cathedrals pulling the strings behind shock doctrines that smash entire countries.  More ssholes...

 

Thanks for the ear my ZHers, you're like my community bartender who pleasantly listens and then tops off my drink.  Good on you guys...

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 17:11 | 6946856 Chris Dakota
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I avoid talking about any of this to my adult child.

He has to live in this world, and work in it.

If you know you end up on an island like me,

ok at my age and self employed but overall not good.

About 10 yrs ago I said something about the public and

this kid said to me "you hate them for being brainwashed?"

yeah the kid was right.

Don't tell an 8 yr old who has to live with the brainwashed is my advise.

Don't slap anyone.

The famous Las Vegas magician said the more education a person has the easier to hypnotize.

I work in my yard, very tedious tasks, such as picking up leaves one a time in cactus with a fork, when I can't take it anymore.

good luck

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 19:06 | 6947107 warpigs
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I know you are correct, I really do know it.

 

"I work in my yard, very tedious tasks, such as picking up leaves one a time in cactus with a fork, when I can't take it anymore."

Thanks for the perfect visual and therapy.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:39 | 6946242 sun tzu
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A bunch of inbred butt/sand pirates

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:49 | 6946471 Chupacabra-322
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One Muslim Scum Fuck standing next to another.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:39 | 6946244 wobbleybob
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Why doesnt the world unite and take out Saudi for good and take there oil period 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:42 | 6946255 bamawatson
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their

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:45 | 6946261 JustObserving
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Saudi Arabia playing its role in the balkanization of the Middle East.  The Saudis are a cruel, corrupt, criminal cabal responsible for untold suffering.  As soon as the oil runs out, Saudis can be the blood-thirsty beggars they once were.

The murderous Saudis have attacked hospitals more than 100 times in Yemen but the Western media is waiting for the count to hit 1000 before reporting on it

The Balkanization of Middle East is the Name of the Western Imperial War Game

http://www.4thmedia.org/2015/05/the-balkanization-of-middle-east-is-the-...

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:48 | 6946467 chunga
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Here's a real doozy.

Exclusive: NATO agrees Turkey air defense package, seeks 'predictability'

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-nato-exclusive-i...

NATO allies agreed on Friday to send aircraft and ships to Turkey to strengthen Ankara's air defenses on its border with Syria, the alliance's chief said.

            ....

Given that Turkey already has a formidable air force, NATO diplomats and military experts say the alliance's involvement is to minimize the risk of any repeat of Turkey's Nov. 24 shooting down of a Russian warplane that flew into Turkish airspace.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:45 | 6946268 Duc888
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.....shoulda thrown up the pic of Obama bowing down to those assholes.....

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 13:56 | 6946302 Lorca's Novena
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Wow this certainly is a shocking revelation!! Who wouda thought SA woud be complicit in terrorism?? Sheesh I dunno what I would do without articles like this...

 

Tyler, maybe lets work together and find some more informational stories mmkay?  Like the Bush/Saudi dynamic and why Bush jr deliberaltely imploded his first oil company to make friends with the Saudis?

 

You know how to reach me.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:00 | 6946309 blindman
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Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:02 | 6946317 opport.knocks
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"This is the beginning of a new era; this is the beginning of the Islamic Renaissance and Enlightenment."

A lot of words and circular arguments to get to an obviously bogus conclusion. Why would anyone advocate modern "enlightenment" as beginning with false gods and even falser prophets?

The Pagans and native North Americans had it right, mother earth is the thing to be respected and worshipped. And all Abrahamic religions have been fighting that concept for centuries, with bad results for both humans and the planet.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:04 | 6946323 Lorca's Novena
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This is the beginning of a new era; this is the beginning of the Islamic Renaissance and Enlightenment.

 

This is such complete bullshit. The author is off his meds, and is a muzzie anyways. The so-called enlightenment is them coming out of the stone age thousands of years after the rest of the world, and this is only possible by the west buying their godamn oil. Without the stupid politicos giving you fuckwits money, you would still be butt fucking goats and your sisters... oh, wait

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 16:06 | 6946342 two hoots
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Democracy will not settle itself at its purest peak nor has it ever been reached.  Democracy, over time, becomes a hybrid democracy/authoritarian system  in which the authority is unidentifiable but no doubt linked like all authority to money, power and control as its base.  There is no perfect system unless you have constructed perfect citizens which would have no idea of anything else, thus imperfect. 

 

and

 

"we use the term democracy we simply mean a multi-party representative political system"

 

We need political parties out of our government.  They, parties, have usurped the power of the people applying their own agendas and become between citizens and government.  This is not about electing teams but individual representatives at all levels.  Not sure how the constitution lets parties exist within the government?

   

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:16 | 6946359 Reaper
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All hereditary elites inbred into degeneracy. Caliphates genetically degenerate. Wahhabism supports the divine right of a king's spawn to succeed him. Does a god really chose the king? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-01/16/080r-011600-idx.html

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:18 | 6946370 patrickhenry61
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"We will crush the Tea Party." Those were words spoken by that most honorable Senator from the Blue Grass state, Mitch McConnell. And they sure did, with about 4 billon dollars spent to re-elect and elect the worst of the worst. We are going through a crisis of democracy here, with fewer annd fewer voters even voting at all. Those in power LOVE that because they can bring out their most loyal fans, from BOTH parties, how few they may be, to vote them back in, even if they win by a hand full of votes, which is all that they need. If we can find a period in history where we can say the US is close to being as, it is not ancient Rome or Greece, but closer to our history, which would be Tammanny Hall, of the late 19th and early 20th century. It was so corrupt that they were legit, with all kinds of corrupt dealings and workings between politicians and criminals, from vote rigging to drug dealing. Now it is on a national level, with these politicians raising it to an international level. And we have passed the point of no return. 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 17:24 | 6946889 Chris Dakota
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I didn't like the Tea Party because they hijacked Ron Paul's movement and put Zionist warmonger Palin in charge.

But what they hated about the Tea Party is the US Constitution. That is their enemy.

 FORWARD into TYRANNY not backwards to our glorious liberty.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:38 | 6946371 Dark Daze
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Yes, absolutely. The Sunni, and especially the Saud's were the biker gangs of their day. They overthrew the more moderate Islamic influences and using their tribal justifications for robbing, looting and murder, created a state that sanctioned those things. They have no business whatsoever in the grand order of the middle east. They are nothing but fat thieves and brigands that the French, English and Americans made rich, too rich for our own good.

The Persians, which eventually embraced Shia Islam simply to survive, were always the more enlightened, science and arts seeking culture, but then the Persians/Iranians are not really arabs, they are decended from Aryans. Culturally, they followed the Zororastrian faith which is pretty much a cross between Christianity and Buddism. After Mohammed's death, the muslim hordes went on the warpath and conquered north africa, egypt, the levant, the arabian peninsula and turkey and pushed the Persians back into what is present day Iran. That was the beginning of the dark ages of Islam because the Sunni, contrary to popular opinion were not truth or justice seekers, they were revenge seekers. The reason most Americans have a bad misconception about the Shia is becuase Alan Dulles (funny how that name keeps popping up) decided to install an illegal ruler in the form of the Shah after the Americans were unsuccesful in negotiating oil deals with the Iranians. Along with the Shah they created the hated and brutal security forces to keep the Shah in power. I venture to guess that 99% of America doesn't know the real story behind the bitterness that the Iranians have expressed towards, what was, without a doubt, a complete and utter violation of their society, all the while supporting their oppressors, the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia. It is today as it has always been. The oil business, and the families involved in it, are the most brutal dictators the world has ever seen.

 

 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:23 | 6946381 logical-different
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This article tells it all. Why does the USA and I don't mean the fat ass political ones put up with Saudia Arabia? The Sauds are responsible for thousands of American deaths.
Just look at what happened during 911. The only planes that flew within 3 days of 911 were the planes from Saudia Arabia. It is believed one of these planes contained several of the 911 suspects. How convenient and not one American was able to fly in or out of the USA.
Each and every President has bent over for these camel jockies. Why?

In my judgement it is a bad case of the tail wagging the dog. It is time for people to take back their country and rid themselves of these weak kneed presidents. However, I'm not sure whether any of the current candidates fit the bill. We all know that every presidents first day on the job is met with learning how the president is not really the person in charge.

In other words the people are ruled by a shadow government.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:27 | 6946390 Dr. Bonzo
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Good piece.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:28 | 6946395 Son of Captain Nemo
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Saudi Arabia: The Source Of Islamic Radicalism

Otherwise known as the Zionist banking establishments little bitch and "ass puppet creation" since the beginning of the 20th Century!

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 17:09 | 6946858 Sanity Bear
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This wouldn't be the same ZH if the main source of Islamic warmaking weren't blamed on the Jews. The ability to deny that anyone else in the world has the ability to act of their own free will has risen to the level of psychopathology.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:35 | 6946404 falak pema
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Seventy years after that original FDR/Saud handshake; the bottom line is it paid off in terms of access to the richest oil patch in the world for the west.

The down side is that the US-Saud "brothers in oil" deal also meant the US-Saud "brothers in Cold War Dulles' legacy" games, that used rabid islam as sword to fight those dirty "bolshies" like Nehru, Nasser, Assad Snr, Mossadegh, and Soekarno; the designated suspects "who ganged up like the pinkos they be" at Bandung third world conference; refusing the roll back mantra of "for us or against us" cold war logic.

"No third way" said JF Dulles then."We'll give you aid you can't refuse", said his good bro Allen..."and to make sure we have my boys from Langley."

It started the asymmetric "arms bazaar" race in third world. And it encouraged Saud to spread his own rabid ideology along with his oil revenues to create the Sunni Wahhabist nebulus.

Awesome handshake that turned out to be. Now the steam is running out of that pot of dirty games...especially since the GWB crusades in Iraq, Afghan/Pak and now those of his successors in Syria/Yemen/Libya have made western "Kafiristan" the new enemy of the Sunni wahhabist fed nebulus.

"They not only want our RM they also want our souls"...So goes the Jihadist cry.

American hubris and Saudi messianism hidden under the rug don't mix like pot and kettle did way back then.

The Oil alliance is now a noose around a goose whose dollar debt is making Pax Americana's homeland look like the divide between US neo-Sparta (tea drinking rabid libertarians and "carpet bombing populists") and US neo-Athens (Statist leaning liberal democrats).

It is the new Dixie-Yankee divide now being resuscitated in a nation boiling over in acrimonious ire based on foreign policy and perceived financial  profligacy's joint potential disasters.

Pot meets kettle not only in Saud/Syrac but in homeland of Jefferson!

Some blowback ! Its now societal in the West!

And ZH plays on the divide like the sirens singing dangerously to the Argonauts on their voyage.

Mon, 12/21/2015 - 13:58 | 6949613 trader1
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so what do you think ZH is getting out of this new game?

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:41 | 6946439 LoveTruth
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Islam has Love not for people, but for some dogmatic manmade ideals.

"Love one another" is a high ideal which is not present in Islam, sorry Muslims it is a fact.

 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:44 | 6946453 Secret Weapon
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Wonder how the King feels knowing he shook the hand that stroked Reggie's cock?

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 17:34 | 6946912 Chris Dakota
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The King does it too, only with boys.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 14:51 | 6946481 LoveTruth
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164 Verses from the Quran call for violence. Google it.

While Christianity calls for "Love one another". 

Two opposite ideas like Love and Kill can never coexist in peace together.

 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 16:05 | 6946688 falak pema
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Y do you masturbate your mind about creationist logic?

The mussies are 5 centuries behind the West  in terms of setting their clock right.

The West is now wallowing in regressionist logic as  its lost the thread of its OWN Enlightenment.

When our hubris has killed our own LOGIC, whats the deal in pissing on the distorted logic of LOST CIVILIZATIONS?

We won't help our own future if we just try and dump six Billion people FURTHER into a deep hole our Imperialism has created for them.

We can't do to humanity what the sons of the Mayflower did to the Cheyenne. No Way!

Hiroshima and Nagasaki have created monsters in other lands who have the same toys that Oppenheimer begat the West.

 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 15:00 | 6946509 Ban KKiller
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SA is a shithole full of punks who can't make their own cup of tea without mommy's help. Like all religions Islam is all about controlling the sheeple.

 

They are just oil fuck buddies for the asses in Texas. Any Saudi with any sense has left the country. 

 

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 16:24 | 6946690 PrimalScream
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The verses from the Bible, 1 Corinthians 13:1-10, do not exist in Islam.  That is one of the key differences.

"Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It is not rude or self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil, but it rejoices in the truth".

THAT is a key difference between Islam and Christianity.

In your article, you stated that you do not believe that the current rulers of Saudi Arabia should be the legitimate rulers of the country.  That one statement would be enough to get you beheaded, if you lived in Saudi Arabia.

Islam has been through "dark ages" before.  It has happened in previous centuries.  This is not the first time that major uprisings connected with jihadists have happened in that religion.  However, the current problem is BAD, because it seems that enough Muslims are joining this line of thinking - to give fuel to groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS.  If anything, it seems to be growing.

And Yes, no doubt politicians and intel agencies are manipulating the Sunni vs. Shiite conflict.  But they are playing with FIRE, and that fire could easily burn down the whole Middle East.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 17:07 | 6946853 surf@jm
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The saudis will need somewhere else to live other than their present sandpit, when oil runs out.....

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 17:50 | 6946943 PrimalScream
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one thing is certain ...

The Saudis will never tolerate a Middle East where the Shiites gain the upper hand over the Sunnis.  That thought is such a strong deterrent for the Saudis - they will do anything to stop it.  Take a look at their current war in Yemen.  The news coverage has been terrible.  But apparently the Saudis have lost at least 8 ships to Iranian-supplied missiles (in the hands of the Houthis).  There are body bags going back to Saudi Arabia. 

The Saudis will fight ... when they think that Mecca might wind up in second place in the Islamic world.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 18:17 | 6947006 smacker
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The only solution is to bomb Riyahd, hopefully when Obola is paying a visit.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 18:54 | 6947091 mcbond
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ISIS Terror E-Book Distributed Via Internet: 'How To Survive In The West – A Mujahid Guide'

 

This e-book's chapter titles include: "Hiding the Extremist Identity," "Earning Money," "Internet Privacy," "Training," "Bomb-Making," "Transporting Weapons," and "What Happens When You Are Spied On And Get Raided."

http://homment.com/survivewest

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 19:39 | 6947174 DaveA
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Rip the mask off any religion, philosophy, or ideology, and you'll find a reproductive strategy underneath. The big three are:

Christianity: One man + one woman = children with maximal parental investment, raised to be noble warriors and productive members of society.

Islam: One man + many women = more fertility than Christianity, because each woman produces children non-stop from puberty to menopause, but with so little paternal investment that the kids aren't good for much besides raping and pillaging soft targets.

Progressivism (often mistaken for Judaism because so many ethnic Jews practice it): Men and women spend their lives in a series of temporary relationships. Reproduction is more memetic than genetic, as this religion controls governments, schools, the media, and many churches, and uses them to spread its propaganda.

They have a rock-scissors-paper relationship: Christianity defeats Islam defeats Progressivism defeats Christianity.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 23:32 | 6947746 Joe A
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Interesting article right up to the "We are on a historic juncture in the Arab World in particular and the Islamic World in general. This is the beginning of a new era; this is the beginning of the Islamic Renaissance and Enlightenment". Really? So far the Arab Spring has resulted in intensifying religious dogma. Or is -just like in Europe a few centuries ago- a big religious war between Sunni and Shia necessary to bring about the above.

Funny thing, this all would go away if we find another way to propel our vehicles instead of oil. Alas, oil is tied to the whole economy, dollar hegemony and how we produce and consume things so this religious BS will be with us for some time to come.

Sun, 12/20/2015 - 23:54 | 6947788 onmail1
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Mohammed was a terrorist

who faought many wars 

spilled a lot of blood

& his army ate dead bodies of the defeated

they were cannibals

therefore what can you expect from the centre of Islam

Saudi Arabia (promoted by USA) is causing most of terrorism 

in the world

Mon, 12/21/2015 - 02:01 | 6948021 Equalizer
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The sooner Putin bombs the fuck out of the Saudi cunt camel fuckers the better for all of us.

Mon, 12/21/2015 - 11:05 | 6948756 LoveTruth
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Sponsoring Taleban madrasas in Pakistan started from SA.
All that "Mujahedeen, Jihad" ideas came from SA.

Saudi Arabia practices a medieval religion of barbarity. It is fact. They think God wants beheading, chopping of hands, legs etc.
NO, God does not need murders, or crippled people.

Mon, 12/21/2015 - 11:25 | 6948846 LoveTruth
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By marrying the 9 year old Aisha at the age of 54, what did Muhammad prove? 

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