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Guest Post: Islam & The West - An Irreconcilable Conflict?
Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,
“I worry greatly that the rhetoric coming from the Republicans, particularly Donald Trump, is sending a message to Muslims here … and … around the world, that there is a ‘clash of civilizations.'”
So said Hillary Clinton in Saturday night’s New Hampshire debate.
Yet, that phrase was not popularized by Donald Trump, but by Harvard’s famed Samuel Huntington. His “The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order” has been described by Zbigniew Brzezinski as providing “quintessential insights necessary for a broad understanding of world affairs in our time.”
That Clinton is unaware of the thesis, or dismisses it, does not speak well of the depth of her understanding of our world.
Another attack on Trump, more veiled, came Monday in an “open letter” in The Washington Post where four dozen religious leaders, led by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, charge “some politicians, candidates and commentators” with failing to follow Thomas Jefferson’s dictum:
“I never will, by any word or act … admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.”
Intending no disrespect to Jefferson, if you do not inquire “into the religious opinions of others” in this world, it can get you killed.
“We love our Muslim siblings in humanity,” said the signers of Cardinal McCarrick’s letter, “they serve our communities as doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, journalists, first responders, and as members of the U.S. Armed forces and Congress.”
Undeniably true. But, unfortunately, that is not the end of the matter.
Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?
Did Fort Hood and the San Bernardino massacres, the London subway bombings and the killings at Charlie Hebdo, as well as the slaughter at the Bataclan in Paris, have nothing to do with Islam?
Does the lengthening list of atrocities by terrorist cells of ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Qaida, al-Shabaab and the Nusra Front have nothing to do with Islam? Is it really illiberal to inquire “into the religious opinions” of those who perpetrate these atrocities? Or is it suicidal not to?
There has arisen a legitimate question as to whether Islamism can coexist peacefully with, or within, a post-Christian secular West.
For, as the Poet of the Empire, Rudyard Kipling, wrote: “Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat.”
As of 1960, the Great Wave of immigration into the United States from Southern and Eastern Europe had been halted for 35 years.
And the children of these millions had been largely assimilated and Americanized.
Yet, 50 years after the Turkish gastarbeiters were brought in the millions into Germany, and Algerians and other North Africans were brought into France, no such wholesale assimilation had taken place.
Why not? Why are there still large, indigestible communities in France where French citizens do not venture and French police are ever on alert?
What inhibits the assimilation that swiftly followed the entry of millions of Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Jews into the United States from 1890 to 1920? Might it have something to do with Islam and its inherent resistance to a diversity of faiths?
Set aside faith-based terrorism and Islamist terrorism, and consider the nations and regimes of the Middle and Near East.
Iran holds presidential elections every four years, but is a Shiite theocracy where the Ayatollah is a virtual dictator. Saudi Arabia is a Sunni kingdom and home to Wahhabism, a Sunni form of puritanism.
Those ruling regimes are rooted in Islam.
And while secular America embraces expressions of religious pluralism and sexual freedom, homosexuality and apostasy are often viewed as capital crimes in Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Where Islam is the ruling faith, the Quran is secular law.
Catholic historian Hilaire Belloc saw our future on its way, even before World War II: “[I]n the contrast between our religious chaos and the religious certitude still strong throughout the Mohammedan world … lies our peril.”
Historically, Christianity came to dominate the Roman Empire through preaching, teaching, example and martyrdom. Islam used the sword to conquer the Middle and Near East, North Africa and Spain in a single century, until stopped at Poitiers by Charles Martel.
And this is today’s crucial distinction: Islam is not simply a religion of 1.6 billion people, it is also a political ideology for ruling nations and, one day, the world.
To the True Believer, Islam is ultimately to be imposed on all of mankind, which is to be ruled by the prescriptions of the Quran. And where Muslims achieve a majority, Christianity is, at best, tolerated.
Nor is this position illogical. For, if there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet, all other religions are false and none can lead to salvation. Why should false, heretical and ruinous faiths not be suppressed?
Behind the reluctance of Trump and other Americans to send another U.S. army into a region that has seen wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan leave us with ashes in our mouths, lies a wisdom born of painful experience.
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ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION. IT'S AN INTEGRATED, HOLISTIC SYSTEM OF RELIGION, POLITICS AND WAY OF LIFE.
That religion has been weaponized to suit those that seek to drive an agenda. You have to start them young from the madrases.
Kind'a like what they are doing with our current schooling system.
Where's the weapons? I only see Western weapons. If we had weapons it would be different. Israel wouldnt exist for a start.
Well, the ME has oil, which it uses to buy weapons. Why make it yourself when you have the petro-dollar agreement and can get it from your biggest benefactor?
Funny that. When I was a boy all Muslim countries hated Israel because of the land thieving, apartheid and constant provocation. As if by magic, the turrirists suddenly only target the US. Muslims must be allowed into the EU and US, but they are almost all young males. Not a demographic slice you would expect from people fleeing war zones. You would expect about ~ 35% men and the rest women and children. Hard to see how Islam is helped by this which will surely lead to MOAR war and likely eventual genocidal push against Muslims. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia and Israel aren't taking any migrants. Hmmm curiouser and curiouser.
We realise you are the reason Israel exists. You guys made a deal with the devil and so it is a sin to ally with you. Hence Saudi and Turkey will burn in hell.
Nice eh? And I'm a moderate.
Also, terrorism is a weapon, which that nice country of Saudi Arabia exports in spades via Sunni Wahhabi extremist views of the Koran. If ISIS's form of Islam is your standard, then Saudi Arabia's is the cousin. But hey, they're our ally b/c you stick a straw in the ground and get oil.
Wonderful!
Tangentially related:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military
According to Seymour Hersh, the CIA has been supporting ISIS because "Assad Must Go" while the DIA has been using back channels to support Assad because it thinks that official US policy is fucking bullshit. If true, holy shit!
"Islam & The West - An Irreconcilable Conflict?"
Once again... wrong headline.
It should read, "Islam & The West - An Avoidable Conflict?"
There was relative peace and stability in that area and between nations:
1.) before the illegitimate establishment of Israel
2.) before the establishment of the Petro Dollar to coerce Arab states against their indigenous peoples' interests
3.) the false-flag 9/11 event committed by Mossad and its traitorous U.S. adherents
4.) the ensuing ambiguous "war on terror" which hence wrecked and is wrecking many nations of the region.
Write about all of THIS, Pat. You're getting old... you know the truth... and at this point, you've got nothing to lose. But, you would surely GAIN a new respect of countless millions of people.
Uhhh, you might want to watch this. I'm pretty sure she understands it better than either of us ever could, because she was RAISED under it.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-woman-who-was-raised-muslim-just-...
Your'e right. In Islam we worship satan and any pedophile. My mum taught me to crave death by 72 virgins when I was about 5. We are like a locust who will destroy your society. You need to get out there and defend your people from us.
And also, when your government asks you to help them bring in a law which says "If you are suspected of holding a particular belief then you can be detained indefinitely", you need to vote Yes. It's the only way you can ban Islam and save your society.
Nice try, troll.
We need to re-define Islam, legally, and recognize it for the socio-political system (masked by a religious compnent) that it actually is. Then, it's a fairly simple matter to deny Islam the right to act in a contrary nature to our laws, since we do not recognize the right of another governmental system to compete with our own.
But hey, thanks for playing.
Right..... That is a a fool proof plan. Cannot see ANY holes in that. Judging by the maturity of your ideas, I reckon you're about 89 years old.
I played, I lost. I'll take it on the chin and move on.
Hey ali_baba, speaking of "holes", only two days until you can enjoy that magnificent Islamic weekly tradition: Man-Love Thursday!
http://www.bouhammer.com/2006/07/their-thursday-night-is-our-saturday-ni...
http://www.bouhammer.com/2010/01/and-you-thought-i-was-lying-about-man-l...
Hey, you know what, this is true. Anyway, I thought you guys were all tolerant and shit. I really don't see the problem with this. I myself don't fuck other guys, but that's only cause I'm deeply in love with the goat I married.
There's a lot about Islam that I don't understand... like for example, if someone bombs your house and kills your three favorite goats, and you die as a result of jihad, then you get 72 more (virgin) goats. So do you then get to keep 72 goats? Or do you have the original goats for dinner as a celebration feast?
If you wanna fuck a goat. Go fuck a goat. Don't beat about the bush with some long-ass story. Sorry about your 3 favorite goats.
That has no chance of happening in the US. I think you have to look at the underlying problem, where other religions have learned to adapt their religious teachings with societal norms, a growing part of Islam has not. For example (and I wrote this in a previous post)... the Old Testament calls for stoning of adulterers/homosexuals and "eye for an eye". You don't see the Jews actually practicing this. The New Testament (Christianity) is decidedly less aggressive. In 2002, the UN's Arab Human Development Report, Greece translates 5x more books from English than the entire Arab world. the total number of books translated into Arabic during the 1,000 years since the age of Caliph Al-Ma’moun [a ninth-century Arab ruler who was a patron of cultural interaction between Arab, Persian, and Greek scholars—WPR] to this day is less than those translated in Spain in one year.
It's a problem of illiteracy and lack of interest in the ruling Islamic powers to have an educated population, for fear they would be overthrown. Been that way for a thousand years. Until that changes, there will be plenty of people happily becoming road kill.
Islam as a religion and as a way of life is not comparable with current banking system and is a pain in the ass of bankers. That's why so much negativity by J media.
I like Pat B but this is a rubbish article, and dangerous, I don't care if the religion is Islam, or Christianity, or Buddhism, or friggin Zoroastrianism, if you apply what we've applied over the last 5 or 6 decades you will get the same result. Two parts:
1. Create, fund, arm, support, and encourage a tiny radical minority of the religion who espouse the most extreme views, propagate that philosophy directly to the poorest and most susceptible sectors of society by providing them free schooling, free meals, employment, hope, and a sense of belonging.
2. Install brutally repressive military dictatorships that suppress, torture, and kill any opposition or any participation and funnel the majority of the nation's wealth to their cronies and their own accounts outside the country.
Apply both of these for 50 or 60 years to any religious group and any countries and see what pops out. Blaming Islam itself is ridiculous.
It's the same story with the refugees, everybody wants to blame the effects without giving the slightest thought to what the causes might be.
Islam has made war on non-Muslim culture for 1400 years.
The process you describe merely exacerbates the situation. It does not cause it.
Again:
- http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-woman-who-was-raised-muslim-just-...
- http://www.islam-watch.org/home/132-alamgir-hussain/1179-islam-and-marxi...\
Geez and you don't think that Christianity has made war on non-Christian cultures for at least as long? Ask the Inca, Maya, and every other native people of the Americas, let alone the friggin' Crusades
- The Crusades, at least the first ones, were a response to centuries of - wait for it - ISLAMIC JIHAD.
- Jesus never said to kill anyone, regardless of the evil done in his name. Muhammad most certainly did.
"Geez and you don't think that Christianity has made war on non-Christian cultures for at least as long?"
If you are going to talk about religion and war, at least pretend to know what you are talking about.
When Christians get involved wars, it is frequently because they FAIL to follow the word of Christ. As opposed to Muslims, who do so exclusively to FULFILL the word of their "prophet".
What difference does that make if they were both killed in the name of their religion? Unless/until Christians boot out the Old Testament their book is just as brutal as Islam. Also why the hardon for Islam and not Talmudic religious types? Their book calls for the enslavent of mankind under a king with an iron rod. That doesn't sound particularly appealing. I'm not a fan of the mesoamerican religions either while we are at it. That whole human sacrifice thing rubs me the wrong way. The two religions you should worry about are the Satanists and the cult of Mammon. All else pale in comparison.
"Unless/until Christians boot out the Old Testament their book is just as brutal as Islam."
What the fuck are you talking about? You're a retard. Why don't you try to cite some evidence? Oh wait-- because you can't.
Let me help you.
"In an article entitled, “Throwing Stones at the Quran from a Glass House”, The American Muslim claims that the verses of violence and war in the Bible can be misread in “exactly the same way as some verses in the Qur’an” (emphasis ours). In other words, the on-line magazine alleges that, like the Quran, there are Biblical verses with open-ended commands to violence that are not bound by historical context within the passage itself.
Our first clue that this probably isn’t true is the scarcity of Christian terrorist groups. Not too many people are losing their heads to fanatics screaming praises to Jesus (or Moses, Buddha or the many Hindu gods either) as they are to shouts of “Allah Akbar!” That there are so many Islamic terrorist groups composed of fundamentalists (or purists) of the Muslim faith is enough to impress any reasonable person that there is something far more dangerous about Islam.
Nevertheless, to support their claim, The American Muslim quotes sixteen of the worst passages that the Bible has to offer in the way of violence. Others are alluded to as well, but delving into these particular verses should be a large enough sample to expose whatever sophistry might be at play..."
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Bible-Quran-Violence.htm
The KKK claims to be a Christian organization and is absolutely a terrorist organization. Fucking ridiculous. The Spanish Inquisition was a state sponsored terrorist organization.
As to the Old Testament not having exhortations to violence you're the idiot! You haven't even read your own book!
Unless like many you have a suuuuper modified bible that has been cleansed of passages that don't suit the political needs of those churches who use that version.
I was raised Catholic the oldest Christianity (some say it's controlled by a Babylonian mystery cult which may be true) and I grew up reading the bible and its calls for genocide etc in the Old Testament.
You are either a totally mind fucked true believer with no ability to even glance at your own text or you are some kind of shill.
All you offer is evidence that Islamic texts have calls for violence. That is true, but so do ALL Abrahamic faiths, the Old Testament is rife with it!
You cannot reasonably defend the Old Testament or the Talmud as being any different if indeed you have read either.
"And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire."
--Ezekiel 23:25
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
"Ask the Inca, Maya, and every other native people of the Americas"
Did you forget that these ancient peoples were bloodthirsty ignorant savages who relished ritual human sacrifice, and (especially with respect to the American Indian tribes) couldn't stop slaughtering each other?
Try reading a little history about the American Indian. These savages loved to murder and torture each other, even continuing to do so after they started slaughtering the white man. Tecumseh, a brilliant leader, tried his level best to unite the tribes to fight the white man, but failed utterly as these fractious knuckleheads couldn't organize a sewing bee amongst themselves, much less a military campaign.
Any doubt I had that you espouse hate has been removed. You do that movie a disservice by associating your hatred with that fun campy film. If you want to call out the Aztecs and Aztecified Mayans go to town and I'm right there with you.
However, the Incas and the Eastern Native American tribes in particular were peaceful as fuck compared to the Spanish and Portuguese conquistadors and later European conquerors (English/Dutch/French).
The lack of tribes who had fought or disagreed with one another successfully organizing against disease ridden hordes of Europeans with gunpowder technology is fucking absurd.
The small pox blankets and just regular old transmission of disease did a huge amount of the work, but the atrocities commited by first the Spanish and Portuguese and later the American millitary is the stuff of evil legend things like cutting off the Mons Veneris of 10 year old native girls AFTER of course the routine gang rapes.
This genocide was followed by centuries of cultural genocide boarding schools etc. You're defending that? A big hearty full calorie fuck you, you fascist imperialist genocide apologist fuck!
Dude... get your facts straight. The Maya were long gone (extreme drought) long before any Christians showed up.
Jesus. What a pathetic grasp of history. The Spanish made war on the Aztecs because they weren't Christians? Who knew?
Ah he did say that. Well I don't believe that. They were trying to steal resources. Period. Same as it ever was.
I saw someone make the comment that the religious aspect of Islam is the "beard" to mask all the political and economic aspects of it. Muslims scream "religious freedoms!!" until they gain enough of a foothold in a country to begin the process of political and social subversion. Then those ideas of religious freedom are discarded - much like Muhammad discarded them once HE had achieved political power.
Islam, like Marxism, is parasitic, psychopathic, and completely incompatible with Enlightenment philosophy. Thus, it IS incopmatible with Western Civilization as we currently define it.
Islam has three faces: religious, political, and military. They use these three aspects to infiltrate, paralyze, and conquer infidel societies.
Step one: Infiltrate. When muslims first settle among infidels, they pretend to be religious and peaceful. The host society ignores them as they make a point of keeping to themselves. If anyone asks what Islam stands for, they trot out some of the balloons-and-butterflies parts of the Koran which sounds harmless and puts the host society to sleep. Meanwhile, they are breeding like rabbits.
Step two: Paralyze. Muslims now utilize their growing numbers to politically infiltrate the host society. They negotiate agreements for special treatment, sponsor local politicians in their host society, and gradually start to take over critical functions of governance-- first in their local areas, and then on a national level.
Step three: Conquer by force of arms. Muslims numbers have increased, and they control local politics. Now they can act from a position of strength; they begin to actualize the violent words of the Koran and militarize themselves. Now they wage physical war against the host nation-- first covertly, then openly. The host nation, caught unawares, cannot react to the invader within as the muslim has fully penetrated and infiltrated the society. Civil order breaks down, open warfare breaks out, and the muslim conquers the infidel nation.
What the West Needs to Know about Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YpJjRzQDIM
Good summary. It still depends on Westerners looking at people who are foreign, act like foreigners, insist on acting like foreigners, and start cutting in line at every opportunity and then just saying to themselves they're an addition to our society. Allowing them in in the first place is just nuts but millions are not unsettled by that in the least.
"Islam, like Marxism, is parasitic, psychopathic, and completely incompatible with Enlightenment philosophy. Thus, it IS incopmatible with Western Civilization as we currently define it."
You REALLY need to do some research and learn what Orientalism is because you espouse it.
You also need to realise that Muslims were the ones that invented much of the mathematical calculations you use everyday because computer science is based upon it. That is just one example...here are others regarding the very positive impact of Muslims on America
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-famous-muslims...
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/09/03/they-came-they-saw-they-plagiar...
Thanks for playing.
Great find! If true this represents a fissure in the Deep State and is something that gives me hope we might end the madness and return to a Democratic Republic under rule of law.
I think we'll be doing well if the US dissolves into more autonomous regions.
Or as H. L. Menchen put it: "Morality is doing what's right, regardless of what you're told. Religion is doing what you're told, regardless of what's right."
So on and on the insanity and inhumanity goes, Islam being the same thing only different.
Meanwhile, the religion behind it all — statism — reaps its earthly rewards.
I've heard of the prophecies, funny thing how the world turns them into self-fulfilling prophecies with each new day.
It will be fun, however, to get Constantinople back and restore S:ta Sophia's glory.
Muslims must be allowed into the EU and US, but they are almost all young males.
That is because the young males are the point of the spear, which is why Obama, a mohammedan, wants them here.
Remember:
"The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law."
Bernard Lewis - The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years (page 234)
Islam is being used as a political weapon. Islamists may very well believe and strive for what you say. That said, they are being manipulated for the geo-political gains of the globalists. Could the monster escape Frankenstein's lab? Yes! Also if Obama is religious, which I doubt, he is a satanist not an Islamist. They worship the moon god, not Saturn aka Satan in the ancient modalities. Read up on mystery babylon.
Whether they are being manipulated or not is ultimately irrelevant. The end result will be the same, if Islam remains unopposed. Islam is evil enough when analyzed on its own demerits to represent an existential threat to Western Civilization.
You have outted yourself as a threat to reason every bit comparable to what you claim about Islam with your justification of the genocide in the Americas. You claim the Native Americans were so violent and awful trying to lump in tribes like the Cherokee and the Iroquis who were peaceful and reasonable with the murderous Aztec and the late Aztecified Mayans. Disgusting. You claim that because some of the tribes such as the plains Indian tribes fought one another and used torture somehow the genocide is fine.
The Spanish of the time in which much of this genocide took place were the KINGS of torture. Since you're such a historian (LMFAO!!!!!) you might recall the Spanish Inquisition which was an absurdly in-depth literal witch hunt and torture fest of almost unparalleled size and scope in human history given the relative size of the group being discussed.
Yet, you magically, yes MAGICALLY give both Christianity (it was the Vatican which oversaw and gave the nod for the Inquisition) and Europeans a pass. Europe conquered huge swatches of the world from India, to China to the Americas. But that was all good and noble and "The White Man's Burden". Your posts read like 19th century upper crust British justifications for white supremacy and genocide, slaughter, torture and conquest worldwide.
So I got it, When a plains Indian tortures another plains Indian (mind you these guys you cite as justification for genocide DID try to organize and resist the white man, the ones who peacefully traded with the white man WERE WIPED THE FUCK OUT BY BREEDING OR AT THE BARREL OF A GUN) from another tribe, the answer is to wipe them out and steal their land. When a European tortures, murders, commits genocide and steals land it's A-OK! When a muslim does those things it's bad. When the Chinese do it, it's bad, but if some WHITE GUY does it, then MAGICALLY it's OK.
Get the fuck out of here with your genocide apologia bullshit, while calling for more hate. Most contortionists would pull a hammy trying to work their way through your tortured logic.
I am no defender of Islam, I feel that especially Wahabist Salafist Islam is profoundly dangerous, but your two-faced attitude and blind eye towards the brutality of the West (Even in the 15 fucking hundreds!!!!) is awe inspiring in its hypocrisy.
Your truth is so simple that few understand it. They get trapped in the motives behind the invasion of Muslims into Western Governed Nations.
The West is foucusing on blame rather than complete abstinance with any contact with Muslims.
It's ironic that the people such as liberals defend mohammedans because they are "misunderstood" people and are purportedly being scapegoated by the evil conservatives, but yet those same liberals' eyes glaze over when you bring up honor killings, female mutilitations, or actual killings of non-mohammedans simply because they are non-mohammedans.
On the other hand you have the "awake" people who defend mohammedans as hapless, manipulated dupes of Israel and the international banking cabal, who, if these bankers and Israel would leave them in peace, would be as meek as lambs, and go back to tending their goats and oil wells.
What both of these groups do not understand is that mohammedanism has an agenda that supersedes and long precedes both of their superficial concerns; to paraphrase Jim Morrison and The Doors, they want the world and they want it...now!
That London Subway bombing was worse than 911.
I saw an interview of the guy who was running a drill of the exact same thing happening, at the same places, at the same time. He was shocked. Must be he wasn't in on it?
pods
Tom Secker has studied the London 7/7 bombing extensively and says it's a red herring, in that, yes, the drill was going on, but that Peter Power was not likely 'in on it'. See BFP or his site "investigatingtheterror.com" for details. Drills do create good cover though and perhaps it was 'hijacked'.
That was what I was saying. A guy running a drill (Peter Power?) talked about how spooky it was to have the exact scenario carried out as was planned for the drill.
I would say that is the easiest way to set up a false flag. You only need a couple people in the know to pull it off.
Say, one guy close to the "bombers" to switch out bags, or to know locations and place explosives.
Then you can threaten anyone doing the drill with silence, or say the patsies played the drill runners and double crossed them.
I bet Boston was like that. Craft was there, maybe running a live drill, while a part of Craft was there turning it live.
pods
Didn't catch the nuance; we're on the same page.
Wow, but it's beyond the pale that chipotle might be targeted for industrial sabotage for being a major chain bucking the globalists attempt to patent and control all food. Ok. I love your stuff Pods but I don't get your complete miss on the keystone importance of GMO's to the globalists "full spectrum dominance".
Agree with your opinion on GMO, but don't get your context.
So I don't bite everything dragged by me. So what?
With 7-7 tube bombings, there was ample evidence as to something fishy going on. Not just simple innuendo.
The globalists like to be able to patent foods, but how do they need GMOs to keep dominance?
Their power is controlling what everyone is paid in. In other words, they control the value of your labor. What you eat is nothing compared to that. Nothing.
They can break nations in a short period of time with debt. With GMO's, I just don't see the usefulness, as the nation that is co-opted needs workers to pay taxes to service debts to the globalists.
A nice happy farm.
They do not benefit if they are using GMOs as a sinister plot to enfeeble humanity.
Most people will latch on to that one as it absolves their own bad decisions.
But the truth is that most people will do far more damage to themselves with their own knife and fork that any sinister GMO producer could ever hope to accomplish.
In fact, GMOs are a natural extension to what has gone on for millenia. Selective breeding traits in food that we desire. From big red tomatoes, to disease resistant plants.
Sure it is an unproven short cut by splicing genes, and the whole round up ready crap, but it is still following the same basic goal:
To try and find plants that produce more food with less effort and better tolerance for drought, and resistance to insects and fungi (as well as patent it).
Monsanto migh be ruthless, but in my opinion, not in the way that most view them.
pods
It works like this:
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- Step 1: patent food
- Step 2: eradicate all non-patented food
- Step 3: make sure all patented food cannot reproduce itself
- Step 4: collect ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
If you have no access to food, whatever you get paid in doesn't mean shit.
Monsanto et al. are probably trying to dethrone Rothschild, on the theory that food > money. From a biological standpoint this is 100% correct, BTW; FRNs are no better or worse than gold, in terms of nutritional value. I'm guessing that being able to fend this ploy off is the true purpose of those huge seed banks way off in the tundra, that Gates & Pals are involved with. The psychopaths don't give a fuck about re-seeding the Earth in the event of a catastrophe. The only catastrophe they recognize is their own loss of power.
Certainly a possibility, but that seems like a longshot to me.
Your step 2 seems pretty impossible, and step 4 means nothing in terms of detroning the bankers. Cause you are collecting DOLLARS.
And, if this is the plan, how does this mesh with the assertion that GMOs are poison (by design)?
I am not trying to give Monsanto a pass. They are ruthless in terms of how they treat small farmers who are polluted with their seeds.
They need to die a horrible death as a company.
And Monsanto will never dethrone the bankers. Simply impossible in execution.
The bankers and government are married. And Monsanto, a corporation, is a figment of imagination save for a government offering a charter. The same with their patents.
Tomorrow the government could steal, on the orders of the bankers, all Monsanto's patents as a threat to national security.
Can Monsanto declare it's crops be paid for in gold, silver, yuan, or seashells?
pods
You should read Vandana Shiva's work on this. It's quite clear the endgame is total control of the food supply. It is illegal to collect seeds from Monsanto crops.
Monsanto has also *tried* to make seed saving and sharing of non-Monsanto crops illegal in many countries including India where Vandana was an nuclear physicist before becoming a scientific activist against GMO's.
Originally Monsanto was working on terminator seeds. Seeds that would produce a crop once and would produce no viable offspring. Think about that and it's implications. That was banned in many countries so they started pushing the patent angle and suing the fuck out of farmers of non-GMO crops who were adjacent to Monsanto fields and Monsanto pollen would contaminate their crops with GMO's. Monsanto then sues the farmer for "stealing" their intellectual property.
There doesn't need to be a poison component (although that's a nice side effect, more cancer treatments to be sold, caused by glycophosphate pesticide Roundup) or some false dichotomy challenge to the other globalists.
GMO's are a way of making humans completely dependent on a corporation or government for survival by total dominance of the food chain.
Just as the destruction if the US Republic has been a work spanning a century+ so too might this plan take decades, but it is without a doubt THE PLAN in regards to GMOs. How controllable is a population that cannot feed itself without purchasing from a corporation (or as you say a nationalized GMO foodstuff ) because it is illegal to have the means to feed oneself?
Again, love you Pods, but brother you need to research and think about this issue more. I've learned from reading your posts, I hope this is a chance for me to return the favor.
#4 was meant as a joke, a reference to Dr. Evil.
Already, the GMO pollen, when it pollenates non-GMO crops, renders them unable to reproduce in a great many cases. All it takes is widespread enough pollen contagion, to render our food crops incapable of going to seed properly, forcing us to depend upon BigAgra for our next meal.
And what the government cannot find, it cannot steal.
I think it is at least worth considering that BigAgra represents a challenge to the centuries-old bankster deathgrip on humanity. Not to free us from our captors, but merely to become them.
Again, as long as we are biological, food > money.
"Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?"
No...no it did not. It had to do with Dick Cheney and Israel.
And ALL of the various 'terrorist' attacks since then were either single individuals or have strong indications that they were FFs.
We have NOTHING to bear from Muslim terrorists, and everything to fear from our governments.
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2015/04/11/have-seen-enem...
Look, how do you think it happened? Lawrence of Arabia when he united the dysfunctional nomadic tribes? Well, guess what. who do you think Lawrence was?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/10664897/Lawrence-i...
Know thy enemy.
Pfft. Trump can sit back and let them stew in their righteous indignation.
When that calms down, he can just say:
"It was never about Islam ya know, I tried to be nice... It's really about not inviting Hillary's victims for a sleepover. That's right, the refugees are the Democrat's victims. Hillary, then Kerry, killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians in an attempt to suck up to Saudi Arabia. Those refugees are angry at the US and who can blame them after Hillary blew up their kids and their homes. So, there it is. We should prevent the Democrat's victims from entering the US until we can figure out how to do that safely."
That's how I'd do it.
Many of the refugees are from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as non-war zone MENA countries. Nice try making it partisan. Repubs are equally responsible. No doubt Obama is actually worse than bush but the repubs held all three branches of governance from 2002-2006 and it was MOAR war and MOAR spying. Red vs blue is bullshit. It's we the people vs team purple globalist puppets.
They're being sold as Syrian Refugees in the media, both here in the US and in Europe.
That is all Hillary/Kerry/Obama.
You're right, but I didn't screw up with the sound bites: the Democrats did that.
Correct. And further, Islam will never co-exist with Zionism. So I'm afraid you guys have to finish us all off.
How about all you religious people keep your religion to yourselves.
You guys are obsessed with it more than even us. Ever wonder why the Europeans are so obsessed with the M.E? simple and stupid religions for brown folk. Why did the clever white man get so obsessed?
Negative Ali baba. The west only wants your oil. You have nothing else of value.
If it was just about oil it would be easy. After all, you create paper, give it to Saudi and in return, they give you black gold. You need more oil, you just print some more paper. It's more than just greed that drives you.
So if Islam was smart they would stop selling oil? There is no there there. If not for oil, the entire ME would be as ignored as central Africa.
I have NEVER met a smart muslim... and I'm muslim so I know a few. I'd laugh at my own stupidity if I could see it. But I can't
Africa has oil and yes you steal it. But why is the middle east worth ALL this hassle?
I mean trust me, I'm not just saying this but you guys will kill MANY MANY more muslims in 2016. More than you can imagine right now. Some indirectly and some directly. But you won't realise why you're doing it. There is a LOT of oil in the world.
But you'll never be able to explain why. Like, can you explain why you killed so many Iraqis. Sure you can. But does it really make any sense?
The only sense I can make of it is the oil in the ME is the easiest to get out of the ground and there is plenty of it there. I do not condone the killing of peoples to steal their resources and its not stealing if you pay for it.
To be certain, the wars are to benefit the MIC and the banksters. But that is off topic. The article was about Islam and the West and if they are going to be in conflict forever. The answer is yes. The reason is culture.
Your culture is based on dispossessing the weak and we are resisting. Native Americans, Black people, Indians and Chinese all had it before us.
But what you are stealing from us is not oil. It is the holy lands. Only very foolish Muslims believe they can co-exist with the Zionist West.
Islam prophesises it's own demise. And we, as you know, take what is in the Bible and koran very literally, unlike you guys.
Hate to break it to ya pal but muslims are the number one killer of muslims by far. By a longshot.
Then there are the progressive murderers, Hillary, Obirdbrain, Bush, etc..etc... that are racking up quite a muslim body count.
It's too bad for the muslim world that constitutional conservatives are not in charge here, muslims and their countries would be left alone to slaughter each other as much as they want.
The world has a vested interest in throwing out criminal progressive usurpers and their neocon lapdogs from their positions infesting the US FEDGOV.
Grimaldus
Religious folks are worse than vegetarians when it comes to keeping their beliefs to themselves.
All those "In God We Trust" notes in your wallet must really annoy you. Send them to me.
I wonder if the progresives understand the Islamic view of slavery or does that simply get ignored along with their views on womens rights?
Obama and Hillary worry that the terrorist's feelings will be HURT
The rest of US worry about being BLOWN UP
IT'S AN INTEGRATED, HOLISTIC SYSTEM OF RELIGION, POLITICS AND WAY OF LIFE.
Try: totalitarian system...
It always has been and always will be a totalitarian system. With mohammedanism you only have a few choices:
convert, die fighting them, or live as a slave.
The West is heading for destruction on a massive scale, facilitated by traitorous politicians and the electorates inability to see past the leftist propaganda regarding Islam, the so called 'religion of peace'......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/the-fix-is-in-franc...
Rudyard Kipling said it first: "Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet...." Blame him.
from Samuel Huntington’s 1996 “Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of the World Order” p.20-21
I. For the first time in history global politics is both multipolar and multicivilizational, modernization is distinct from Westernization and is producing neither a universal civilization in any meaningful sense nor the Westernization of non-Western societies
II. The balance of power among civilizations is shifting: the West is declining in relative influence, Asian civilizations are expanding…, Islam is exploding demographically with destabilizing consequences…, and non-Western civilizations are generally re-affirming the value of their own cultures.
III. Societies sharing cultural affinities cooperate with each other; efforts to shift societies from one civilization to another are unsuccessful…
IV. The West’s universalist pretentions increasingly bring it into conflict with other civilizations, most seriously with Islam and China…
V. The survival of the West depends on Americans reaffirming their Western identity and Westerners accepting their civilization as unique not universal and uniting to renew and preserve it against challenges from non-Western societies.
The most important distinctions among peoples are not ideological, political, or economic. They are cultural. Peoples and nations are attempting to answer the most basic question humans can face: Who are we? And they are answering that question in the traditional way human beings have answered it, by reference to the things that mean most to them…
People use politics not to just advance their interests but also to define their identity. We know who we are only when we know who we are not and often only when we know who we are against.”
The hidden hands driving the wars and assisting the mass immigrations either do not agree with Mr Huntington or are intentionally trying to destroy both the Western and Muslims civilations. Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak.
all religions are ways of life, and hence include political, moral & oftentimes even explicit economic dogmatic guidelines
your average sunday-church-goer Joe AIN'T religious by any definition other than himself's, as neither was religious the average 14th century european farmer that paid tribuite to the local church and was done with it.
and as verticalised and violent as some of this 'islamist' organizations might get... Westerners also go to war in the name of stupid symbols, and they kill by the millions, and no one is fully contrary to the idea, and the feel, than he who drops a bomb, snipe's down a rioter, raids a civilian building looking for that one important dude that'll be replaced before the raid is oficially over... they are victims too. so why aren't 'terrorists'?
yes Pat, and Israel is totally innocent
kill all muslims
What is stopping you from killing all Muslims?
Not the Muslims. We welcome it. Keep killing. And fewer downvotes for the guy above with God's plan please.
I’m waiting for the EMP then starting with the next door neighbor.
im ready to do everything to kill them
the problem is other jews dont share my idea
they want to use muslims as a tool for future global games
right now they are using them to replace european white population
for jews the benefits of muslims are:
-they are uneducated
-they work on low end jobs
-thanks to lack of sexual selection their children have a low iq
-they are easy to manipulate
-they breed in capitalists countries and keep the numbers green
-they dont assimilate and the population stays splitted
-they are useful for foreign wars (example: russia uses muslims in syria)
in my opinion we should forbit islam as it is a fascist spreading sect
islam is times worse than nazis and communism
Amen brother. I just wish I could upvote you more than once.
You need to get out there and take action instead of taking it out on your keyboard though.
Remember, you're a superior white man. You need to make your mighty ancestors proud.
Your people need a leader
required reading material published in 2001: https://www.marxists.org/archive/hekmat-mansoor/2001/misc/rise-fall-isla...
In my opinion, political Islam is a general title referring to the movement which sees Islam as the main vehicle for a Right wing restructuring of the ruling class and creating a anti-Left state in these societies. As such, it confronts and competes with other poles within the capitalist world, especially hegemonic blocs, over its share of power and influence in the world capitalist order...
Western powers, the media and their academic world have put forth the notion of fundamentalism in order to separate the terrorist and anti-Western veins of this Islamic movement from its pro-Western and conciliatory branches. They call the anti-Western sections fundamentalist and they attack fundamentalism so they can maintain political Islam as a whole, which for the moment is an irreplaceable foundation of anti-Socialist and Right wing rule in the region. The anti-Western currents, however, are not necessarily the fanatic and rigid factions of this movement. The most fundamentalist sections of the Islamic camp such as the Taliban and Saudi Arabia are the closest friends of the West...
In today's world, with such a high degree of communication between its various parts, upholding an Islamic superstructure in such a vast region is impossible. It is not possible to stop the emergence of secularism in the Middle East. In my opinion, secularism is not only realisable, but also after the experiences of Iran, Afghanistan and Algeria, a need and demand of the people of the region. The problem is still fundamentally the Palestinian question. Just as this confrontation strengthens the reactionary religious factions in Israel itself and gives them much more power- disproportionate to their actual minor weight in people's culture and beliefs, it also adds to the lifespan of political Islam and Islamic identity in the opposing camp. The sooner an independent Palestinian state is formed, the quicker Islam and Islamism will be eradicated in the region.
Thanks for this
Islam is a vehicle for anti-socialism?
Dafuq?!
Marxism is a bankster creation. Marxism and Islam share a jack-booted authoritarian drive to control the whole of the Earth. In fact, Marx and Engels admired the tryannical nature of Islam: http://www.islam-watch.org/home/132-alamgir-hussain/1179-islam-and-marxi...
Islam is a vehicle for the destruction of free markets and free societies. Marxists have co-opted Islam in order to use it as a bludgeon against the West, to drain Western societies of blood and treasure, leaving them exhausted and unable to resist the banksters' final checkmate move, which is the collapse of the world economy, invalidating all sovereign currencies. This invalidates all sovereign governments, allowing the IMF and UN to step into the role of central bank and government for the whole of the Earth.
And the IMF, because it controls the money, will control the UN.
One. World. Order.
With the banksters' bootheel on the whole world's throat.
Islam is Zionist cannon fodder; this is true.
But Islam, as written, would be just as happy to have its own boot on our throats, instead.
Islam = Zionism.
There is a difference between Marxism and analyzing a problem from a Marxian perspective.
No
One by one the secular Islamic nations have been demolished by the West.
Iraq, Libya, Syria... Egypt is back to being a military dictatorship.
The future appears grim for Middle-East secularism.
You are describing the current situation as has been built since at least the end of WW2. This however is not political, legal or religious Islam.
If you wish to know what Islam is look to the Historical Recond from its founding in the 7th Century to the end of the WW1. That is the the true Islam. Solving the Palastinian situation will NOT solve the Islam problem.
Soorry, me noo understund, me too stuplid, me sense no make.
Theological discussions are tedious.
There are no cases of citizens voting Muslim governments unless they were an escape from one of America's military dictatorships, and they have never been re-elected in free elections.
Muslims react just like real white people when given freedom from religious coercion, they flee it.
Who could have guessed, just people?
Without debating the merits of the rock worshipping throw backs and having travelled to many muzzie countries one can without reservation say Islam is diametrically opposed and in opposition to Western Cannon Law. They are irreconcilable.
That said countries like Indonesia and Malaysia were mostly pretty mellow until the Saudis started opening up Wabbahist madrasses and spreading their posion far and wide with recycled petro dollars.
As the old post war secular nation states collaspe they will revert to the only they know which is Fundi Islam. So any Reformation is a long, long ways off in the future.
Google for 'Christian Churches in Muslim countries' or some such.
Lots of Christian churches around the world say that their missions in the ME are growing fast, the fastest in the world.
Are they all lying?
As the post above said, secularization is proceeding apace, as it was and would continue to do if we can end the gd wars.
Thank you posting. You speak the truth on Islam and yet many educated, well meaning posters on this site, DO NOT GET IT - and almost refuse to get it.
Western Law and Ideology are indeed IRRECONCILABLE with Islam.
They know it and we in the Western population do not. That will hasten OUR demise, unless we truly look at Islam for what it truly IS. A political system that wishes to conquer and convert us to its ideology. It is the fictional BORG in real time.
Complete and unbelievable BS. Islam and Christianity and Judiaism and another dozen significant sects co-existed throughout the ME and still do. Not peacefully always and the fault is not one one sect.
Normal civilization for their times and civilizations. And it has gone to hell ever since Europe came to control.
fuck all religions.
If they don't use religion they will use race or other ideologies. If we all gave up religion tomorrow and interbred until we were all light brown they would still find something to divide people on and stir up conflict.
True, and moral and intelligent people would still resist such malicious opportunists as vigorously as possible. We would be somewhat better off, having eliminated the easy and superficial faultlines and fracture points between people, such as race and religion.
Yup. And free will, humanity, etc. is all tied up in it. Paradoxical actually. And thus, no utopia. At minimum, we need to improve our means of working as larger societies to recognize and deal with the true threats which are the sociopaths and psychos. They come in all shapes, sizes, religions, etc. Although some groups tend to have more of them by percentage than others.
Probably blue eyed people are more equal than non blue eyed people.
Christianity built civilization.
Atheism only built the bath houses.
Downvote means ur gay.
Don't throw stones, Catholocism is a fragile glass bath house.
christianity is a piece of copy shit form judaism
it was created by jews, thich wanted their own sect, then it was taken over by idiotic europeans which changed the original chritanity to their own benefits
then christanity started to split into catholicts, orthodox idiots, arab christian church, protestants etc and even now they came up with new shit like jehovah witnesses
christanity makes man to rapists and at the same time weak fags - weak fag child rapist
christian people lose all brain and turn into retard
What about Islam. That is a real religion isn't it? Or is that copy paste as well? All I keep getting told is that it's real peaceful.
Albert Pike
Don't even. He's a fucking embarrassment to masons everywhere that fell for his jewing up of Masonic practice...fucking disgrace to ever hold an oath if ever walked in a community lodge considering where and why it started. It's digusting what he made happen.
I stopped reading after "Intending no disrespect to Jefferson...".
As far as the question about are things irreconcilable the answer is no. Stop siding with Israel, stop funding ISIS, stop overthrowing elected leaders, stop bombing people, stop using lies to justify wars and the murder of innocent civilians. Pretty sure we wont have much of a problem after that.
You mean they should all shut their pie holes to avoid adding 'value' to situations they got no business in and do the jobs of actually running the business they need to? That's just crazy enough it might work...oh wait...
Having said that though... I really don't want to import the fuckers either... being weaponized and all. I am sure you understand. We don't have the jobs anyway.
Might be no jobs but there's plenty of work to do. Weird how the headlines miss that.
"Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith? Did Fort Hood and the San Bernardino massacres...have nothing to do with Islam?"
Um, sure I guess if you want to generalize stereotypes about a quarter of the Earth's population to divide people amongst ourselves. No mention of Saudi state sponsored terrorism influence? No mention of false flags? A corporate-owned press that gets its kicks by inciting panicked hysteria in the mass populace to funnel billions of no-bid contracts into the hands of the MIC? Don't you think there's a large amount of control that is gained over people by making them fear every dark shadow?
Give me a break. I refuse to hate 1.6 billion people because I'm told by government propaganda that those brown skinned devils over there are the cause of all of our woes. This is the very definition of an extreme logical fallacy.
Your thinking is not clear. The issue of Islam vs Western Existence is not about the last 70 to 100 years. It is about what Islam IS and will FOREVER BE.
It is a political, legal, governing system wrapped up in religious clothing, - with no Central Interpretive Authority - and divided into two major sects, who have been killing each other for dominance since the 7th Century. Islam is unchanging, unreformable with a central core belief of Islamic Conquest.
You and millions of Americans and those educated in Western Value Systems - do not get it.
It is such a simple thing to understand, but most focus on the religious part which is no more than 30% what Islam teaches. The rest is Political and Legal Governance, - not religion. THE MAJOR CORE OF ISLAM IS CONQUEST, CONVERSION OF THE UNBELIEVER by the sword if necessary. It is an eternal struggle that may lay dormant for generations, until IT Believes will succeed at some point in the future.
Please read enough history to have enough context to have enough judgment to reject such very stupid ideas.
I am reasonably certain the American Indian Schools were not madrassas.
No mention of 9/11 the False Flag attack against America done by Israeli-Neocons controlling the US government.
Just another voice in MSM's echo chamber, working to keep the proper frame on everything lest we think outside of their box.
Agree with you that what is coming through our borders is deliberate and probably farm raised in place like Abu Ghraib, Camp Buca and Camp Rhino...
So what are you prepared to do to your own military and intelligence services that are creating all of this with impunity in order to make them stop before Russia does the honors for us?...
Fucking cowards all of "U.S."!
FUCK religions...ALL OF THEM
FUCKING MIND CONTROL/CROWD CONTROL HORSESHIT...ALL OF THEM.
Cankles Clinton should be mocked for saying that. The criminal fucktard she is.
Muzzies can have their side of the world, and stay the fuck out of our side...the white people side....
The shit eaters come over and demand all sorts of shit, where they would behead anyone for doing anything remotely close to their own cultures in their fucked up countries....STAY THERE SAND ASSHOLES...AND KEEP YOUR STINKING RELIGION...IT FUCKING BLOWS
Hillary Clinton translation:
I'm telling you that we support all peace loving Muslims so that we can continue to slaughter them based on the lie that accused them of what they never did so that we could rape, murder and pillage their homes without limit with monied interests that made it possible and continue to give me power which I would sell my soul for as long as I put my knee pads on and "take it up the ass" -with a paper bag on my head of course!
Sheldon will correct the Donald's behavior "or else"!...
Islam teaches a "them or us" doctrine which forces the "thems" of the world to either submit or to adopt the same doctrine.
Ever read the sacred books of Christianity? Or Judaism? Or Mormonism? Or Scientology? Or, for that matter, history books?
I could make a good living selling "indulgences"
Sounds bullish...
http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/middle-east-christians/2015/05/11/id...
Took two minutes with Google.
Hasbara or fool?
From the very first paragraph... "Christianity has come under persecution."
Citing False Flag operations as a premise in your argument is unarguably flawed Logic. Also avoiding to call out other culprits will also lead ievenitably to Flawed Logic, once you take in to consideration Israel and US involvement, it becomes much clearer, Muslims are a willing modern tool, which do represent a danger, but not the biggest danger to Western Civilisation.
There are those among us that thinkw we can live together....I personally do not....its us vs them in the end.....soon they will use a nuke..then the west will come around....and see what they really are
Only a complete dumbass fails to realize what Islaminals are...
If Cankles is in the Big chair when the nukes hit, you know what she'll do? Surrender.
Same for Jeb.
The only wildcard is Trump.
yeah, and what nukes? Wish we had nukes Israel would be a mushroom cloud.
http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/middle-east-christians/2015/05/11/id...
Took two minutes with google.
Hasbara or fool?
Can we please stop conflating Islam and Wahhabism?
Ok, Salafism then.
Islam and Hitlery are both Control-Freak companions. Of course she likes Islam. Heck, she even eats Halal pussy!
Indonesia, among others, utterly disproves these warmongering bullshit propaganda pieces. If Islam is the problem, why isn't the West at war with Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.?
So clearly Islam isn't the problem. My, my, what could the problem be? Lucky for us, Pat Buchanan, as if by some kind of Freudian subconscious compulsion, spills it all out in paragraph 3. Huntington, Trump, Clinton, Brzezinski. What do they all have in common? Support for the "Divide And Conquer" tactics of Empire. A little further down, Buchanan even quotes Kipling, which is doubly interesting because Kipling's attitude toward Empire is over-simplified by all sides.
Now we're getting closer.
The problem the West is having is with the people who live in the countries that need to be steamrollered to further the aims of Empire, as best outlined by Zbigniew Brzezinski in "The Grand Chessboard." This would be the people living in the heart of Eurasia. All the rest of the strategy is stated well enough in that small book; read that if you want to understand.
Islam is just one of myriad monotheistic sun-god cults all originating in the same area but now customized for other regions and cultures. To an Atheist, they're all the same unintelligible bullshit signifying nothing but offering easy access to demagogues of all flavors.
Follow the money and the power. Especially when Religion is the excuse being put forward.
eat a brick and die you idiot
Great post. You should be proud.
in the words of a not well known song, "We live in two different worlds dear, That's why we're so far apart..."
We and they are two different worlds. If we would mind our own business ("Beware of foreign entanglements") and insist they mind theirs, we would all get along and even trade with each other. But oh no, we each feel the need to change each other to our "more moral" ways, by force if necessary.
Same as it ever was. The human brain has not advanced much in 20,000 years.
The secular countries of the West believe in, and have embraced Gender Equality.
Islam is not willing to do so, rather it insists on public displays of dress that puts gender inequality in your face.
There can never be reconciliation until Islam rejects gender discrimination.
Curses. I live next-door to Muslims, pass Muslims every day walking, have had Muslim physicians in the group we go to.
Just people.
We have all kinds of just people in our section of the world, get along fine. The kids have been growing up together in schools for a long time, it is nearly the only good thing you can say about Public schools, our children are nearly free of prejudice, my son has friends of all kinds, works with all kinds.
Just people, and most with the same values we have, give or take religions and appropriate modest behavior. Not worth wars, it seems to me. We started this, via Israel.
Israeli-Neocons are the existential threat to the world.
>> ... our children are nearly free of prejudice ...
Well that's great.
But what about the schoolmate Muslim kids? Do they buy into gender equality or do they buy into Islam?
Hasn't come up, but I was on the bus the other day and saw a Muslim girl with headscarf acting very friendly with an East Asian boy.
Amish didn't change, didn't bother us when I was in school, so I imagine kids these days are adjusting.
From the latest Seymour Hersh article:
Few in the US Congress share this view. One exception is Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat from Hawaii and member of the House Armed Services Committee who, as a major in the Army National Guard, served two tours in the Middle East. In an interview on CNN in October she said: ‘The US and the CIA should stop this illegal and counterproductive war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad and should stay focused on fighting against … the Islamic extremist groups.’
‘Does it not concern you,’ the interviewer asked, ‘that Assad’s regime has been brutal, killing at least 200,000 and maybe 300,000 of his own people?’
‘The things that are being said about Assad right now,’ Gabbard responded, ‘are the same that were said about Gaddafi, they are the same things that were said about Saddam Hussein by those who were advocating for the US to … overthrow those regimes … If it happens here in Syria … we will end up in a situation with far greater suffering, with far greater persecution of religious minorities and Christians in Syria, and our enemy will be far stronger.’