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Guest Post: Islam & The West - An Irreconcilable Conflict?
Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,
“I worry greatly that the rhetoric coming from the Republicans, particularly Donald Trump, is sending a message to Muslims here … and … around the world, that there is a ‘clash of civilizations.'”
So said Hillary Clinton in Saturday night’s New Hampshire debate.
Yet, that phrase was not popularized by Donald Trump, but by Harvard’s famed Samuel Huntington. His “The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
That Clinton is unaware of the thesis, or dismisses it, does not speak well of the depth of her understanding of our world.
Another attack on Trump, more veiled, came Monday in an “open letter” in The Washington Post where four dozen religious leaders, led by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, charge “some politicians, candidates and commentators” with failing to follow Thomas Jefferson’s dictum:
“I never will, by any word or act … admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.”
Intending no disrespect to Jefferson, if you do not inquire “into the religious opinions of others” in this world, it can get you killed.
“We love our Muslim siblings in humanity,” said the signers of Cardinal McCarrick’s letter, “they serve our communities as doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, journalists, first responders, and as members of the U.S. Armed forces and Congress.”
Undeniably true. But, unfortunately, that is not the end of the matter.
Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?
Did Fort Hood and the San Bernardino massacres, the London subway bombings and the killings at Charlie Hebdo, as well as the slaughter at the Bataclan in Paris, have nothing to do with Islam?
Does the lengthening list of atrocities by terrorist cells of ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Qaida, al-Shabaab and the Nusra Front have nothing to do with Islam? Is it really illiberal to inquire “into the religious opinions” of those who perpetrate these atrocities? Or is it suicidal not to?
There has arisen a legitimate question as to whether Islamism can coexist peacefully with, or within, a post-Christian secular West.
For, as the Poet of the Empire, Rudyard Kipling, wrote: “Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat.”
As of 1960, the Great Wave of immigration into the United States from Southern and Eastern Europe had been halted for 35 years.
And the children of these millions had been largely assimilated and Americanized.
Yet, 50 years after the Turkish gastarbeiters were brought in the millions into Germany, and Algerians and other North Africans were brought into France, no such wholesale assimilation had taken place.
Why not? Why are there still large, indigestible communities in France where French citizens do not venture and French police are ever on alert?
What inhibits the assimilation that swiftly followed the entry of millions of Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Jews into the United States from 1890 to 1920? Might it have something to do with Islam and its inherent resistance to a diversity of faiths?
Set aside faith-based terrorism and Islamist terrorism, and consider the nations and regimes of the Middle and Near East.
Iran holds presidential elections every four years, but is a Shiite theocracy where the Ayatollah is a virtual dictator. Saudi Arabia is a Sunni kingdom and home to Wahhabism, a Sunni form of puritanism.
Those ruling regimes are rooted in Islam.
And while secular America embraces expressions of religious pluralism and sexual freedom, homosexuality and apostasy are often viewed as capital crimes in Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Where Islam is the ruling faith, the Quran is secular law.
Catholic historian Hilaire Belloc saw our future on its way, even before World War II: “[I]n the contrast between our religious chaos and the religious certitude still strong throughout the Mohammedan world … lies our peril.”
Historically, Christianity came to dominate the Roman Empire through preaching, teaching, example and martyrdom. Islam used the sword to conquer the Middle and Near East, North Africa and Spain in a single century, until stopped at Poitiers by Charles Martel.
And this is today’s crucial distinction: Islam is not simply a religion of 1.6 billion people, it is also a political ideology for ruling nations and, one day, the world.
To the True Believer, Islam is ultimately to be imposed on all of mankind, which is to be ruled by the prescriptions of the Quran. And where Muslims achieve a majority, Christianity is, at best, tolerated.
Nor is this position illogical. For, if there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet, all other religions are false and none can lead to salvation. Why should false, heretical and ruinous faiths not be suppressed?
Behind the reluctance of Trump and other Americans to send another U.S. army into a region that has seen wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan leave us with ashes in our mouths, lies a wisdom born of painful experience.
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Islam, at its essence, is a system of belief that panders to the disaffected and economically hopeless, Like most religions do; but Islam is New in Histrorical terms and was/is being used by the Elite of the Middle East to keep their mostly poor populations under brutal control (especially in the era of Oil) in order to plunder their Masses resources for those Elites' personal benefit.
This brutalisation is now being outsourced to the West in order to standarize and centralized so-called ' economically spoilt' western Local working classes to the lowest global working-class social denominator in order to benefit the Slicker Western Zionist Parasites feeding off the economic suffering of their Western Herds... Where the real profit is to be made from those untapped security Investment Projections in, up and until now, nice quiet, liberal, peaceful and accepting UK, Europe, US and Canada...
Who'd a thunk it. They are one handed sand People.
Why can't we look at history and learn from it. Islam does not get along well with other religions. Oh yeah that's right, it's different this time.
Jewish people and the Roma have quite a bit of trouble too. I don't think it's because of their religion or ethnicities; but rather, their cultural tendencies. Of course not all Gypsies and Jews participate in predatory cultural behaviors but groups tend to be judged as a whole and they both have had loads of trouble... pretty much anywhere they go... eventually.
Why can't we look at history and learn from it. Islam does not get along well with other religions. Oh yeah that's right, it's different this time.
The Israeli Genera's Son - tells you all you need to know about Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4ZfnpN4Dfc
Does he have more brains than Bieber?
What is the Islamic view of carpet munchers?
Hilarious. Truly hilarious, and a pro-Fascist piece of gibberish. First, Buchanan claims that Hillary attributes the "clash of civilizations" comment to Trump, which she does not. You need to vet your own pieces, Pat. Second, this is so typical of RightWingNut hypocrisy: the claim to be "strict constitutionalists," but only if it fits their theme-du-jour. This entire article basically says, "well, yeah, we have a Constitution and all that, but it doesn't apply to (___fill in the blank with the Republican-designated bad-guy-du-jour)."
When WingNuts like a little scribble in the Constitution, they deem it inviolabe (such as "the right to keep and bear arms," which, interestingly, they seem to always omit the ENTIRE FIRST HALF of the 2nd Amdmt.); but if they don't like a piece of the Constitution (like, say, equal protection) they claim superiority of their "moral convictions" and then poo all over anyone who disagrees. I could list example after example, but the deal is this: the Constitution is a tad inconvenient for the WingNuts right now vis-a-vis Muslims, so, well, fuck the Constitution! Hello Fascists!
Stop analysing religion--a complete waste of time that will just prevent doing what is necessary. Look at what people do, not what they say. Look at the facts on the ground and respond to that.
How about reading about what is going to happen in Europe in 2016? Still want to discuss the differences and similarities of religions? Which religions believe in angels?
The following long article is worth a look just for its historical references as a basis for prediction--never mind any ideological content. If he is right, 2016 will be a year to remember, if you survive it.
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/bracken-tet-take-t...
Call me when Bracken is ready to take on the traitors.
I think that Huntington was an apologist for NWO and he was not targeting Wahhabism per se in 1993 but more Shia Islam, Saddam's secular Iraq-- and "Confucian" Chinese revivalism after it opened its communist frontiers to the West.
The Wahhabist version of Islam, which was THE preferred bitch of US geopolitics in their common manangement of the Oil patch at that time, was the feeding ground of Sudanese Islamic led revolts as also the financing of the rise of Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Madrassa establishment in all Islamic nations.
The US "used" wahhabist fanaticism as the whipping horse to fight Soviet incursion into Afghan. The US fathered the ugle face of Talibanism; as Zbi knows only too well, since he was in power in 1979, when it all started post Ayatollah Iran disaster and Brejhnev's play in Afghan; which became their "Nam" in Zbi's own words.
When you use rabid Sunni Islam's worst sect's indoctrination as "friend" you spread the plague to a huge ( 1.6 billin people) religion-- all the while it stays as your surrogate TOOL for ideological reasons, in the political games you play to ensure hegemony in the OIL patch.
The Saddam/Iran war was concomitant to the Taliban/soviet war; the US opened a DOUBLE front to achieve its aims along with "friend" Saud.
By so doing they MADE Wahhabism and Talibanism RESPECTABLE.
So Huntington's cry was aimed more against Ayatollah IRan than against Sunni Wahhabism in post Soviet collapse and NWO ruled world, all the while he saw the rising tide of Sunni intolerance that "friendly" Saud was disseminating elsewhere.
Saddam was seen as a renegade "secular" despot and Ayatollah Iran as THE ENEMY, when he wrote "Clash" in 1994 period. He saw the Islamic front as a successor to Communism and an ally to a Confucian front in China!
Ben Laden only became visible as Wahhabist terrorist in 1997...
So the day Wahhabism became front page was after "Clash" was written, but the powder trail had been laid long before by the US's key "pardner".
Some irony there for the neo-cons whose horn Huntington blew for NWO's rule.
Hillary is now "pretending" she is not a NWO ideological neo-con and "islamophobic" populist.
We know why!
Further, the US supported the whabbi brigades in Afghanistan over the protests of the secular forces, who said "You are causing huge problems in our future."
My conclusion is that the joint Israeli-US take-over-the-world policy has been going a long time, and continuing discord everywhere was the goal.
These people have been criminals for a long time, by far the most sophisticated criminal oligarch mafia in the world, with huge political and economic infrastructures around the world.
The danger to the world, did you see them try to get a war with Russia started a few weeks ago?
Why are we putting up with this?
Trump is tainted with Israeli-Neocon. Why is there any discussion past that? He is absolutely disqualified by that single thing alone. I would vote for a Communist first, there aren't any of them left for someone to collude with.
The argument that Trump is different than Clinton in America's future has no foundation. Both report to the same criminal oligarchs. The media won't have changed, those oligarchs will own even more of it. Congress won't have changed, AIPAC will still own it. The courts won't have changed, still all Clinton, Shrub and Obama appointees, and we can't tell them apart from their judgments wrt Freedom and Constitutional enforcement.
If we only have two choices come November, vote for the one you hate the most. We won't mind so much taking her gov down.
One would vote for Trump because of his domestic and trade agenda. The fact that he might be friendly towards Israel is a plus.
Yes, America's 'closest ally', even though they get America to fight its wars, drain the US Treasury, facilitated the 9/11 attacks, steal its military secrets and sell them to its enemies.
Just what the fuck is Pat Buchanan talking about?
"post-Christian" secular West? America embraces homosexuality and sexual freedom? Huh? First, I wouldn't call us post-Christian, regardless of whether the majority of Christian heritage actually practice it or not. Also, I would hardly say that we embrace homosexuality or sexual freedom, rather sexual promiscuity as it should be called. I believe a vast number of Americans do not embrace either of those, but the liberals in charge seem to force it down our throats. I like Pat, but come on. Even if we didn't "embrace" those things, Islam would still be at odds with western culture. So I agree with the general point, but some of the fine points are quite debatable.
Also, "Nor is this position illogical. For, if there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet, all other religions are false and none can lead to salvation. Why should false, heretical and ruinous faiths not be suppressed?" is a poor point in my opinion. Christians (I, as one of them) also believe that all other religions are false and none other can lead to salvation. But this still would re-enforce the point that Islam and Christians aren't ever going to get along anyway, nor would secular, free spirit Americans and Islam. Christians however are properly taught that the best way to lead people to Christ is by example, which is quite the opposite of Muslims, which is to lead them to Muhammad by force.
Does Buchanan do or say anything anymore that doesn't involve flogging that shitty book? Is is the publisher or something?
This clash of cultures cannot be reconciled. The muslims insist on their Sharia which is simply not permitted in our republic. Their Quran is filth, permitting them to rape boys and girls, and lie to, cheat and kill all people not of their "faith". They must all leave or abandon their "holy books", which they won't.
Remember, theirs is a political system of conquest, not a religion. Any "religion" that you can't leave without fear of death is, at a minimum, a cult. Go back where you came from before we build the wall. Then, as he said in "A Bronx Tale", yous can't leave. We'll find you no matter where you hide. Better run while you can.
Repeat the mantra "No possibility of living together."
BS. We live with Muslims everywhere, no problem.
2 minutes on the net and you complete fools repeating this nonsense could prove to yourselves that the danger from Muslims is < the danger from our own prozaced public school products. But of course, then we wouldn't be putting 3rd graders into jail for a few days while their terrorist potential is checked.
Our government is the danger, nobody outside the US but Israel is any significant danger to citizens of this country.
Israel is a danger to the world.
"That Clinton is unaware of the thesis, or dismisses it, does not speak well of the depth of her understanding of our world."
Does it have anything to do with depth of understanding in the first place?
She follows the adage "don't bite the hand that feeds you".
The West is heading for destruction on a massive scale, facilitated by traitorous politicians and the electorates inability to see past the leftist propaganda regarding Islam, the so called 'religion of peace'......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/the-fix-is-in-franc...
So very true...we are as rats in a maze, they know just what buttons to press to get the desired reaction. But many of us are learning...
ISLAM is NOT JUST a religion. It is a political, economical and a way of life.
"Class of civilizations" America's zionist run government has been at war with Muslim nations, NOT the other way around. Jews hate Muslim nations because they don't allow "usury" Jews favorite gift to the world, slavery though debt.
This is NOT Muslims vs the West, it is Zionist Jews using the West to wage war against Muslim nations.
What business does the US have in Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iraq, Libya, and the Ukraine for that matter, these are NOT America's wars, these are Israel's.
America, at the behest of our zionist overlords has caused far more terror, and killed far more people than Muslims ever have.
If it is guilt by association, than America and its Jewish masters are guilty as sin.
What you say is true except for the fact, and it is a fact, that Islam and its adherents are incompatible with Western values and their mass presence here will have catastrophic consequences.
You know zip of history, evolution, cultural evolution, ...
Of course we want Syrian refugees. The 'game' we are in is an evolutionary arms race with other countries and cultures. The way you win an evolutionary arms race is via individual selective breeding program. Hybrid vigor is a win, we are all hybrids of hybrids of hybrids in every dimension.
You get hybrid vigor via mating with different. Ideas mate also, you know?
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/of-course-we-want-syrian-r...
Most successful ISIS recruitment video yet
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f08_1424123423
Autumn 1992: Influential Neoconservative Academic Advocates Breaking Up Middle Eastern Countries, Including Iraq
Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis publishes an article in the influential journal Foreign Affairs called “Rethinking the Middle East.” In it, he advocates a policy he calls “Lebanonization.” He says, “[A] possibility, which could even be precipitated by [Islamic] fundamentalism, is what has late been fashionable to call ‘Lebanonization.’ Most of the states of the Middle East—Egypt is an obvious exception—are of recent and artificial construction and are vulnerable to such a process. If the central power is sufficiently weakened, there is no real civil society to hold the polity together, no real sense of common identity.… Then state then disintegrates—as happened in Lebanon—into a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions, and parties.” Lewis, a British Jew, is well known as a longtime supporter of the Israeli right wing. Since the 1950s, he has argued that the West and Islam have been engaged in a titanic “clash of civilizations” and that the US should take a hard line against all Arab countries. Lewis is considered a highly influential figure to the neoconservative movement, and some neoconservatives such as Richard Perle and Harold Rhode consider him a mentor. In 1996, Perle and others influenced by Lewis will write a paper for right wing Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu entitled “A Clean Break” that advocates the “Lebanonization” of countries like Iraq and Syria (see July 8, 1996). Lewis will remain influential after 9/11. For instance, he will have dinner with Vice President Cheney shortly before the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Some will later suspect that Cheney and others were actually implementing Lewis’s idea by invading Iraq. Chas Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, will say in May 2003, just after the invasion, “The neoconservatives’ intention in Iraq was never to truly build democracy there. Their intention was to flatten it, to remove Iraq as a regional threat to Israel.” [Dreyfuss, 2005, pp. 330-337]
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
also see:
AND
http://www.amazon.com/The-ISIS-Conspiracy-Manipulate-Through/dp/15086793...
Bernard Lewis was just paraphrasing the Yinon Plan which seeks to foment endless strife in the ME, ideally resulting in the countries there breaking up into powerless ethnic and/or religious enclaves. No surprise that US policy there seeks to do exactly the same thing.
.."Influential Neoconservative Academic Advocates Breaking Up Middle Eastern Countries, Including Iraq"
And who "made" these ME countries to begin with?
Islam is totally incompatible with Western values, period. Their traditions and values are exact opposites of ours. They are BAD neighhbors. They are the kind of people who look over their fences and lust for what we have, as opposed to building it themselves. They are slovenly and lazy by nature. Moreover, there is no more racist, bigoted, facistic, sexist, dishonest and self-centered group of people on the planet.
If they are so "GREAT", why are they not staying where they "are planted" and building countries that all of us are DYING TO GET INTO?
They need to be sent back to where they came from. But, if you look at history over the past few thousand years....this has been their pattern of behavior. Their new "process" is using invasion under the shroud of "migration" to come into and rape and pillage, by RAPING and using the needs-based-excuse to "pillage" us via suppplied social services.
Why on earth would ANYONE want these lazy, illiterate loons in our towns, cities and villages....when they are nothing but a basket of slimey, dirty smelly leeches?
We need to stop their invasion with "force that sends a message". The problem is that their invasion is a planned one and one supported 1,000% by people like Obama and others. They ARE a Trojan Horse.
I was recently in a health clinic with a friend who was sick. The place was packed. A Muslim man came in with his wife and child and sat down in the middle of the crowd and started "singing his prayers". Well, two minutes of that was all I could take. I wasn't the only one. So, I stood up and asked everyone to stand up and recite "The Lord's Prayer" with me. 90% of the room stood up and in a resounding choir we started....."Our father.....".
The Muslim guy started singing louder and we all started screaming "The Lord's Prayer" and we drowned him out and he stopped. He came over and was about to get in my face and I stopped him saying, "As a Christian, I was taught to pray in church or go quietly to my room and pray and NOT to go into public areas and cause trouble and make a spectacle of myself and embarass God and Jesus. You know what you're doing when you pray out loud and cause trouble. So, I'd advise you to go outside in the middle of the street and pray and you will see that people there will agree with us." He looked around himself and he was surrounded. People were clearly pissed and had had enough of their nonsense. He mumbled something and took his family and left. Point? We do not need to put up with their bullying and in-your-face approach.
It is time to stop the migration UNTIL we have found and vetted and ID'd every last one of them AND if they are found "wanting", don't waste another dime except to send them back to the desert.
http://www.theliberist.com
Please read enough history to have enough context to have enough judgment to stop believing such nonsense.
The world is not simple. There can be no simple solutions. All solutions need to begin by treating everyone as people.
For a blunt politically-incorrect description of Islam's vision of the future, see http://www.jerusalemonceaday.com/2015/02/27/the-vision-of-islam/. A short quote: "The infidel and the heretic in disarray, fleeing, decapitated and burned alive, their property confiscated or destroyed, their women cowering in fear of kidnap and rape, the true believer triumphant – this is the “better” future that Islam envisions and toward which it has been struggling since the day its Prophet Muhammad first heard the call of the Angel Gabriel."
The press in Israel is way ahead of its Western equivalent (not saying a lot, admittedly) when it comes to being non-PC and even criticising Jews and Israel. A lot of real open discussion for which they should be given credit.
Reagan handled the Middle East much better - let the Muzzies fight amongst themselves while the U.S. sells weapons to both sides!
Pat, the way you mention homosexuality in your article it is as though you think Christians accept that perverted practice. People in the US who believe in secular humanism do accept it but most Christians either tolerate it or do not accept it at all. Sexual inclinations have no place in a discussion of political importance nor do they belong in a discussion of the differences between the assimilation of muslims in the US culture and how muslims treat people in their own culture. If you feel inclined to champion same sex attraction please do so in another format in another place. You disgust me mr. Buchanan.
"Sexual inclinations have no place in a discussion of political importance nor do they belong in a discussion of the differences between the assimilation of muslims in the US culture and how muslims treat people in their own culture. "
Complete and utter rubbish. Few issues are likely to cause more problems for assimilation than attitudes to sexual mores. Your 'disgusted' reaction to PB is just hysteria.
One of our Jewish friends just broke up with her Arabic bf. She was with him for a couple of years, so sex wasn't a problem.
My favorite porn site indicates that Muslims do it pretty much like everyone else. If yours is different, let us know, we like different.
She broke up with him. Just how good could he have really been? I've seen the Muslim porn. Ugh. Who wants to bang a hairy trash bag?
“We love our Muslim siblings in humanity”
Would be great if that love were to be reciprocated. But it never will be. Just ask any Christian living in a Muslim-dominated country.
That is a flatly false statement, and you would know it if you bothered to check.
A lie. Propaganda. Bullshit. Dung.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-guards-most-sacred-site-christendom-two-musli...
You cannot take the founder out of any religion. Genuine adherents attempt to emulate the founder.
Behave like Buddha and you will hurt no one. Behave like Christ and you will hurt no one.
Behave like mohammed and you will lie, steal, rape, torture, kill, destroy -- oh, and mohammed gave his followers instructions to do just that, supposedly from their god.
It really is pretty simple.
We need a firewall between the west and Islam. Quit bombing them and don't let them Islamisize the U.S.
Oh yes, something we need to fear. My god 6.5 million of those evil Muslims will forcibly convert 320M non-Muslims in the USA, then proceed N and South, conquering all before them. It happens everywhere there are Muslims you know.
You are so good at echoing ISIS propaganda, by which Israel and allies seize power around the world.
There is nothing to your claims, the terror is entirely Israeli-created for the ends of our Israeli-Neocons. Including all of US military's terror of drones from above on weddings and funerals.
..“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
You may well get your Jesusocracy Pat, then you can turn on your own. Who will it be first Pat - snake-handlers, tongue-talkers, Jehovah's Witnesses, Baptists or Episcopalians? How about those Mormons Pat, there's a false-prophet holy-underwear worshiping lot for you.
You're fucking delusional Pat. READ THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION PAT.
It's ok Pat, I understand you feel threatened. You want to stop radical Islamic terrorism? Stop sucking Saudi cock Pat. Stop giving giving ANYTHING to Israel. Uphold the fucking laws on the books Pat. FOLLOW THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION AND PROTECT THE FUCKING BORDER PAT. Prosecute the traitors in Vichy DC Pat. Bring ALL military back to the US and discharge the fucking lot.
I suspect you're going to insist on war Pat. And you're a tool.
Essentialist nonsense.
Remember one thing:
"Higher ideals can never be reconciled with lower ideals", they can neve be in harmony together.
I read that thought from a spiritual master. I checked it out myself and it is 100% true.
It is a unclear what Buchanan is saying.
"Did the worst attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor, 9/11, have nothing to do with the Islamic faith?"
The answer is that yes it did have something to do with the Islamic faith --- but not directly. Islamic faith was a causa remota, not a causa directa.
The direct cause of 9/11 was a different faith -- Judeasm -- in its Talmudic version, a point so obvious, and made so often, that to have to say it again is tedius.
If Pat Buchanan doesn't know this, then he is stupid.
But I don't think that Buchanan is stupid, so what happened? Did the tribe finally figure out a way to get to him?
Seems pretty universal to me. There are no leaders who have stood up to our Israeli-Neocons.
Jesse Ventura is the only one I recall, maybe Gov Johnson? We should identify and cherish them, the only honest people we have.
Well, yeah!
Islam is a primitive tribalist gang of bandits and human traffickers founded by a sixth century warlord.
What else do you need to know?
Hmmm. I'm guessing you've not heard of the libraries of Cordoba, Spain around 1000 AD.
When the muslems conquered the vast alexandria library of schrolls they used much of it as burning fuel to boil watter for their steam baths. Only a few fragments of that destroyed library survive today. The greatest loss of knowledge in history.
Such hyperbole - "The greatest loss of knowledge in history." A quick reference to the web shows that said library had a several hundred year history of being burned. One has to wonder of the cumulative loss over the centuries and what treasures, if any, actually remained by the time those evil muslims arrived or if the story of muslims destroying anything was actually true.
Sturm:
Have you tried checking out a book from an Islamic library in the last fifty or hundred years?
Did they have anything on free will or how to win friends and influence people?
I am not sure what point you are trying to make. If there were any "Islamic libraries" in the ME, they're most likely bombed out shells at this point.