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Orwell's Nightmare Is Here - China Just 'Gamified' Obedience To The State (And Soon It'll Be Mandatory)
Submitted by Claire Bernish via TheAntiMedia.org,
As if further proof were needed Orwell’s dystopia is now upon us, China has now gamified obedience to the State. Though that is every bit as creepily terrifying as it sounds, citizens may still choose whether or not they wish to opt-in — that is, until the program becomes compulsory in 2020. “Going under the innocuous name of ‘Sesame Credit,’ China has created a score for how good a citizen you are,” explains Extra Credits’ video about the program. “The owners of China’s largest social networks have partnered with the government to create something akin to the U.S. credit score — but, instead of measuring how regularly you pay your bills, it measures how obediently you follow the party line.”
In the works for years, China’s ‘social credit system’ aims to create a docile, compliant citizenry who are fiscally and morally responsible by employing a game-like format to create self-imposed, group social control. In other words, China gamified peer pressure to control its citizenry; and, though the scheme hasn’t been fully implemented yet, it’s already working — insidiously well.
Zheping Huang, a reporter for Quartz, chronicled his own experience with the social control tool in October, saying that “in the past few weeks I began to notice a mysterious new trend. Numbers were popping up on my social media feeds as my friends and strangers on Weibo [the Chinese equivalent to Twitter] and WeChat began to share their ‘Sesame Credit scores.’ The score is created by Ant Financial, an Alibaba-affiliated company that also runs Alipay, China’s popular third-party payment app with over 350 million users. Ant Financial claims that it evaluates one’s purchasing and spending habits in order to derive a figure that shows how creditworthy someone is.”
However, according to a translation of the “Planning Outline for the Construction of a Social Credit System,” posted online by Oxford University’s China expert, Rogier Creemers, it’s nightmarishly clear the program is far more than just a credit-tracking method. As he described it, “The government wants to build a platform that leverages things like big data, mobile internet, and cloud computing to measure and evaluate different levels of people’s lives in order to create a gamified nudging for people to behave better.”
While Sesame Credit’s roll-out in January has been downplayed by many, the American Civil Liberties Union, among others, urges caution, saying:
“The system is run by two companies, Alibaba and Tencent, which run all the social networks in China and therefore have access to a vast amount of data about people’s social ties and activities and what they say. In addition to measuring your ability to pay, as in the United States, the scores serve as a measure of political compliance. Among the things that will hurt a citizen’s score are posting political opinions without prior permission, or posting information that the regime does not like, such as about the Tiananmen Square massacre that the government carried out to hold on to power, or the Shanghai stock market collapse. It will hurt your score not only if you do these things, but if any of your friends do them.” And, in what appears likely the goal of the entire program, added, “Imagine the social pressure against disobedience or dissent that this will create.”
Social pressure, of course, can be highly effective given the right circumstances. China seems to have found exactly that in the intricate linking of people’s scores to their contacts, which can be seen publicly by anyone — and then upping the ante through score-based incentives and rewards. Rick Falkvinge pointed out a startling comparison:
“The KGB and the Stasi’s method of preventing dissent from taking hold was to plant so-called agents provocateurs in the general population, people who tried to make people agree with dissent, but who actually were arresting them as soon as they agreed with such dissent. As a result, nobody would dare agree that the government did anything bad, and this was very effective in preventing any large-scale resistance from taking hold. The Chinese way here is much more subtle, but probably more effective still.”
As Creemers described to Dutch news outlet, de Volkskrant, “With the help of the latest internet technologies, the government wants to exercise individual surveillance. The Chinese aim […] is clearly an attempt to create a new citizen.”
Chinese internet specialist at the Swedish Institute of International Affairs, Johan Lagerkvist, said the system is“very ambitious in scope, including scrutinizing individual behavior and what books people read. It’s Amazon’s consumer tracking with an Orwellian political twist.”
James Corbett has been tracking the implementation of Sesame Credit for some time. Introducing the ubiquitous tracking system for a recent episode of the Corbett Report, he mused:
“Coming soon to a New World Order near you: social credit! Earn points by behaving like the government wants you to behave! Get penalized if you don’t act like a doubleplusgood citizen! What could be more fun?”
Indeed, because mandatory enrollment in Sesame Credit is still a few years away, its true effectiveness won’t be measurable for some time. But even a reporter’s usual wariness appears knocked off-kilter, as Zheping Huang summarized his personal experience, “Even if my crappy credit score doesn’t mean much now, it’s in my best interest I suppose to make sure it doesn’t go too low.”
And that, of course, is precisely why gamifying State obedience is so terrifying.
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We just have FICO scores in the US, that measures how obidient you are to the banks, the true rulers of the country.
And Facebook 'Likes'. Can't get laid without the Likes, man.
This score is a test run for one of the ways the Satanic Oligarchs will control everyone if we allow this Global government to happen.
You already relinquished control when you interjected ‘if’ into your statement.
Abused wife, “If you hit me one more time, I’m going to Mother’s.”
We all know how that ended for Nicole Brown Simpson
She became a model for a Pez dispenser?
OUCH!
Full moon?
If this doesn't come to the US within 5 years I'll be shocked.
It is already here. There is a thing called an "NSA Score", bssed on your habbits, contacts, and email/posts. Fortunately, porn surfing, even addiction, is not a negative. Only anti state stuff counts, and no, most of the posts on ZH don't count as they are seen as venting and not actionable intel.
I have a nasty habit of using logic and reason. I assume I go straight to the top of the list for that.
My porn habits I don't care who knows. Shit, my WIFE knows my porn habits and doesn't bat an eye. Apparently all that shit I thought was so shameful is actually pretty tame.
I have a similar habit, regarding logic and reason.
Haven't had the 'wife issue' for quite a while.
The real question....
If you look at yourself as honestly as you can, are you reasonably comfortable with what you see.
Problem is that this test doesn't cause psychopaths to off themselves.
Yo mama's Sesame is sooo low.....
Good to know that both forms of wanking (physical and intellectual) do not count in your NSA score.
I presume that it's because the former is a form of birth control, and the latter is a form of protest/rebellion control.
Even before the NSA score, even before computers, they had literal files. Files are on everyone.
FBI guy had facebook posts and Zero Hedge posts when he stopped by for a visit. So I wouldn't be so sure about that venting aspect.
I believe it.
I have a real "spook" for a friend.
Known him since high school. reitred from USMC intelligence career to work for same fim as Snowden, then other angencies.
To this day the dude does not have a facebook account, nor does he have a cel phone. nor his wife nor his 3 kids. They didn't go dark, they just never lit up, ever.
He doesn't tell me shit about whats really going on.
Once he told me to have some personal preps, just in case, and then backed off of that even.
since it was the first time he ever anything was mentioned, and we saw what was happening to the world, we got the hell out of the city and bought a rural repo prpperty and stocked up trained up.
I dont know WTF he knows, just dont want to be in Stalingrad in 1943.
My son is a sort of a spook. Has been in Afghanistan for 13 fuckin' years. Is some important shithead that I can't describe and If I could I'd be aced.
He's a bigshot, reports to the General in charge, offerd a white house position by Rice and Bush, personally, on AF1. I don't make this shit up on my son. He told bush that his (my son's) mouth would get him in trouble. Said similar to Rice.
I'm an asshole, I'm kinda' outspoken. But this is the point that I knew that my parenting had never taken a wrong tracki (I have a younger son that confirmed it, though the gay thing kind of threw me off kilter.) I'd trust both my sons with my life, and yours. They are the most extraodinary people, even the gay one,)
But, ten years between 'oops' babies puts them into totally different demographics. Our older, 13 going on 14 years in Afghanistan, son seems to dispise us a losers and rednecks.
The younger son seems to dispise us because we don't' accept his lifestyle. Admittedly, we don't, we find it kinda iccy, But he's a grown man and who are we to say or interfere with what he wants. (One of these christmases is going to really difficult!)
But I know that when I make the call, both of them and thier entire families, will heed it unflinchingly. I've made a few predictions and they already consider me freaky in correctness. (timing lags, though, who could have predicted what the FED sould do.) But they see the pictue. Find me athother 35 to 25 year old group that can see the picture independently.
I know one too. The most brilliant mind I've ever encountered.
He got flown to Canberra for the first series of interviews/tests at .gov's expense after cracking a code set by signals intellegence as the first part of the recruitment drive.
Knew he'd never get in because he'd had an old drug prior - just went for the free flights and set up at a nice hotel. Passed every single test they set with flying colours (the 'easiest' involving assembly language on a certain CPU architecture that is far from common) but as he couldn't be employed in an official capacity so they hired him as a private contractor. $200 an hour or thereabouts.
No Facebook, No email. No nothing. We write to each other snail mail (and about all we have to hide is who we fucked the week/month before that happened to have a b/f). Or in person when he flys out. Quit after only a year because of the shit going on.
That being said they really don't give a flying fuck about the shit posted on here... as mentioned above it's venting. None of us have anything to do with each other. What they care about are "links" as in links in a chain - friends on facebook, instagram or whatever the fuck else is the latest fad.. and emails (more links) - that's what can gain or keep control. Not a tiny minority of randoms spouting on a site.
I believe it.
I have a real "spook" for a friend.
Known him since high school. He retired from USMC intelligence career to work for same fim as Snowden, then other angencies.
To this day the dude does not have a facebook account, nor does he have a cel phone. nor his wife nor his 3 kids. They didn't go dark, they just never lit up, ever.
He doesn't tell me shit about whats really going on.
Once he told me to have some personal preps, just in case, and then backed off of that even.
since it was the first time he ever mentioned anything, and we saw what was happening to the world, we got the hell out of the city and bought a rural repo property and stocked up trained up.
I dont know WTF he knows, just dont want to be in Stalingrad in 1943.
I thought ObamaCare was the same thing!
RonArgent: Xmas Day.
I should really join facebook to piss off my relatives.
There is no reason good enough to sign up for Facebook.
This will be rolled out across the world in the new year. A breakout of global civil unrest will occur as we embark on a clash of civilizations and a fight for survival, as it has been reported that German Chancellor Angela Merkel is allegedly ‘Hitler’s Daughter’ and the Fourth Reich is about to become a reality......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/the-fix-is-in-franc...
Oh, for fuck's sake. What is this? The fith thread you've posted the same damned thing? Give it a fucking rest already.
Merkel is Hitler's daughter... Nevermind that her mother is Polish Jew...
And she was born in 1954.
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/26363/53/
zig heil -https://s15-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Ffarm7.stat...
Yeah but Merkel was hatched in the old Soviet side of Germany, I doubt 'ol Adolph slipped back in there just to dip his wick...
Merkel stands a better chance of being fathered by Krushchev!
You're obviously posting in the wrong section.
The the children's comments are posted in another area.
Being a jr. commentor as you are I can only say go back to your TV show, continue to take the vaccines, and drink more tap water... and your problem will go away.
Lol @ Beforeitsnews
Just for the LOLz, I clicked on your article.
"Is this woman, Angela Merkel, being used by Satan to marshal the forces (A Jihadist Army) for the last battle called Armageddon? It is also interesting to note that Chancellor Merkel has exactly the same eyes as Chancellor Hitler and she bears a striking resemblance to him in not only her looks, but also her mannerisms."
Lol, lol indeed.
Word on the street is the Germans had already perfected invtetro fertilization Angela Hitler being the end result.
shill paid to post so stupid information that real ones are discredited ...
or just totally brain-dead morons
absolutely. wrong.
globalist banksters are not for anarchy..
Banks? Sort of. You don't want to be on the ChexSystem naughty list.
WHERE CAN I MAX OUT MY COMMIE CREDITS IMMIDIEATELY?
You can bet our War Criminal Government is fascinated by this.
666.
I love Big Brother
where're my points ... come on, gimme some more points, you motherfuckers ....
"The children and adults, including his own parents, tiptoe nervously around him, constantly telling him how everything he does is "good," since displeasing him can get them wished away into a mystical "cornfield", an unknown place, from which there is no return. At one point, a dog is heard barking angrily. Anthony thinks the dog is "bad" and doesn't "like [him] at all," and wishes it into the cornfield. His father and mother are horrified, but they dare not show it."
Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
Miffed
The name of that story is, "It's a GOOD day" and will really frost your ass. TZ did a good job with it. Opie as the evil kid!
Fuck this. i want to walk The Pattern, and get to Amber as soon as possible.
Robert Zelazny had it right. at least in Amber, if someone or something wanted you dead, it was up front, and personal most of the time.
Except for your relatives, the conniving bastards.
Same as it ever was.
Death To The Worm Of Oroborus Money Changers !
Or, maybe damm near any Robert Heinlein novel.
First pick would be - "The Moon is A Harsh Mistress "
Not Opie. Will Robinson.
You beat me to it on FICO score. If you're off the grid, out of the electronic money system or not paying sufficient fealty to banksters, you are NOT being obedient to the state.
If you are off the grid you have no score and no need for a score.
I'm as off the grid as you can get and still live a middle class lifestyle with electricity and a cell phone. I assure you they still score me and I'm usually over 800. I don't use credit much these days but what I use says nothing but "pays as agreed".
Now, if you start to factor in the "slightly to the right of the John Burke Society" shit I post on ZH I'd be down around -500.
I doubt if referencing "John Burke" will cause you any difficulties.
Attending meetings of the Tee Party are also okay.
Between you and CAPT DRAKE you are freaking me out. How do you know thats OK?
Recently declared Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. Personally, these Scum Fucks can go to Hell. Laughing my ass of.
Hey, I'm NSA (Free Mountain Dew on all shifts!!!) and I reposted your file over to your ex-wife.
Boy, is she in for a surprise.
Actually, she's probably the one person who would NOT be surprised.
She will be when she finds out that your opinions are now ascribed to her and you are as pure as the driven snow.
John Birch society has been on Illuminati payroll for decades... Not a threat. They are controlled.
Um, isn't it the John Birch Society?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
possibly you are confused with Edmund Burke?
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/edmund_burke.html
Either way, the sentiments of either will get you a USSA score of -111 and sent straight ot the re-education camps.
For the first time in memory, I have a zero credit score...paid everything off 12 years ago and have not applied once for credit since then.
You mean the John Birch Society.
Yeah, that.
Off the grid and owning a tracking device, I mean, cell phone are mutually exclusive.
My credit score has actually went down since we paid everything off, pay off the debt cards every month and pay cash for everything else. Seems they don't like people not in debt up to their ears. I've even heard I'm a deedbeat since I don't pay any interest. And you should have seen the absolute shocked look on their faces at a car dealership when I turned down a $500 offer from Nissan if I would only take a loan.
length of credit history and number of lines are as big factors as actually paying your debts. Right out of school I had a lot of difficulty getting loans / cell because I had always been just paying for stuff. Turns out theyd view me as lower risk if i had a bunch of credit cards for a couple years and had missed some payments on them (versus never missing a payment on anything because I always paid up front).
It finally makes sense when compared to this chinese score. good citizens get a lot of debt early and never pay it off. cash is for criminals.
http://qz.com/519737/all-chinese-citizens-now-have-a-score-based-on-how-...
Dated October 9th of this year.
It takes time to filter all the news that made up and actually happens. Then it takes more time to root out the odd-ball stories of note and make sure they're real. I imagine the Tyler Team is not the scale of Fox, NBC or other media.
thats it, in the communist version of facebook you can vote on gov post,s, ie you can like them.
What's my score? Negative million-six?!?!?! Jesus Chr---
My score?
No cell phone, no credit card, no TV, no car, no debt....
I doubt it's a 'good' score.
No phone. No light. No motorcar. Not a single luxury.
There are no credit scores on Gilligan's Island.
< China will back CNY with gold
< China will Not back CNY with gold.
China fans hooked on Hopium, and gold shills, please raise your hands, if you still think that China will use its gold reserves to back its currency. Rather than keep transferring it into the private banks/hands (Oligarchs).
Exactly.
Where is the "audit the nations gold" movement in China? Been sayin exactly that for years.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - some old dead oriental guy ;-)
China will use new inclusion into SDR to offload their US Treasuries into SDR Bonds. The Yuan is nothing more than a tool to expand their power.
Not interested in downvoting you for saying the obvious truth.
FWIW, I junked myself to cast my vote.
You guys keep saying this. Based on what? They're buying a shitload of gold? So what? They're buying all kinds of dumb shit. They're buying Hollywood property at inflated prices and all of LA is going to become a Latin sewer in the next 10 years. Way to go Wong.
Why would the commies want to impose fiscal responsibility on themselves by shackling their currency to gold? They got rich by printing money, stealing land from the peasants and making the peasants work for slave wages.
The commies are about as motivated to shackle their currency to gold as they are in implementing actual Rule of Law.
I'm gonna wear it out till I pound some fucking sense into people.
Thank you Vice Public Security Minister Meng Qingfeng!!!
Just like your credit score.
What happens if I don't have a smart phone or any social media accounts?
Then you can't access Satoshi Wawn!!!...lmao!
Oh, they'll persuade you to get one somehow.
Probably make all PM purchases possible only through an app.
Then you'll volunteer and get a crappy score simultaneously.
I think the trend will be just to chip you like we do for dogs. It will be sold as a " health device" for your convenience and "security/ personal safety" so no identity theft. People will flock to it. . The willingness to bend over for groping at the airport was a test of the waters
Guess we're going to have to remove the bug a la The Matrix. Sad to see how that movie is becoming more and more a documentary.
Miffed
And there be those of us, a little aged maybe, who experienced life, the good, the bad and the ugly and who will not go along with the program.
I for one have nothing to lose. Most of my life is past and what little I have left I will give if the cause is worthy enough. This attitude makes many of us a formidable foe to those who would enslave.
Funny how a lovely bunch of coconuts all fall from the Tree of Liberty, and all roll down to the same spot...................
The idea is to deceive everyone so to have no resistance and make everyone willingly accept and even vote for their own demise and destruction. As the Bible says, "evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." For even those doing the deceiving are in fact deceived themselves. The only way out is the truth. Truth kills the lies, and deception. Seek the truth with a pure heart, with your whole heart, and you will find it. Truth is the door to freedom. Jesus said, "ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Jesus also said, "Take heed that no man deceive you."
It amazes me when there's like three levels of security checks at airports - one when you enter the airport, one before you enter the gates, and one at each gate. Holy fucking scannage and gropage, Batman.
You tend to give less of a fuck.
Cmon its China, where numbers are faked everyday. Ya think this number will be any different? And even if its effective in China, when the US .govbots roll this out, how effective can it be when US .gov employees 'at the wheel'?
The US .gov can fuck ANYTHING up.
It will be funny to see who gets a low citizen loyalty oath score for unpredictable reasons, or from hacks, and their increasing radicalization as their honest efforts to try to get themselves back into good standing only makes them register as more anti-social.
The other question is, how many services are going to pop up to help you boost your score, just like there are books, guides, and services for your credit score currently?
"Applying for a passport? Buy my book and learn how to boost your patriotism score by 400 points in 6 months! We can even give you a spambot to do the work for you!"
Come on, it's planet earth.
Most humans are only just discovering sentience and are confused by it, so they take the easy way out and let others figure shit out for them.
You don't honestly think that one government is any better than another, do you?
"The US .gov can fuck ANYTHING up."
Government can fuch ANYTHING up.
Fixed!
China doesn't have enough enforcers to control the population. They will lose control. That is only a matter of time. They may be able to delay the inevitable for a while but eventually reality will arrive. Keep pushing that volatility into the tail and see what happens. When it goes, it will blow your fucking socks off.
Tick tock motherfuckers, and that goes for the US as well...
That is the (evil) genius of this scheme. It is collectively enforced by the proletarians themselves.
If you do anti-social things, that will reflect badly on your friends and family so they will excoriate you and, if necessary, shun you until you get with the program.
Really, it's just a crowd-sourced Communist Block Warden program gone digital.
I don't worry about the Chinese. They're fooked any which way you slice it.
But China invents nothing, merely imitates. So where did they get this idea from, hmmm?
I give no fucks, as I only have one friend in this life - my wife.
I am a cranky old sonovabitch, and anti social to boot - most modern age people have the moral character of wallpaper paste hit with a pressure washer anyway - so, fuck them all.
Same with the Facephonians, and the Twitterheads.
Morals, character, honor, your word is your bond, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Republic - all dust in the wind with few exceptions.
When I was a kid, we thought we would be colonizing the galaxy.
I want my George Jetson flying car, and NEIGHBORS WITH MORALS.
Barring that, I want a clear shot at anything within 800 yards of my front door that is uninvited.
Well, a bit of hyperbole, but you get the drift, right ?
You and me both Silvergedden. Glad to see I'm not alone in my way of thinking. Not that being outside of the crowd would change my course but it's interesting to see another coconut. :-)
Tyler has got a theme song for all of us now.
as he is singing...
"I've got a lovely bunch"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QskjZIJYGRA
Deny ya sang it TD.. I triple dog dare ya... hehe, err, hoho..
Ditto
ditto, all of the above,
Hey its 2016, where is my flying car? been saying that since 2008 market crash, just for fun.
and love the quote
"I want a clear shot at anything within 800 yards of my front door that is uninvited."
Do you really want people in the air above you in charge of a ton of metal? Think of the worst people you know, then think of them in a flying car.
Flying cars will need to be centrally controlled, within a narrow band of altitudes for de-confliction reasons.
If you want to fly under your own control, you'll need to get a pilots licence.
Also, since we are on the topicIF one of the richer readers would be interested in subsidising my "unemployment" for a few months, I could really use an opportunity to devote a bit of time to take an uninterrupted run at doing some practical work to back up the electro-inertial engineering research I have been doing...
At this point, any good developer can write a program that reads Twitter/Facebook/Renren/WeChat feeds, gives the posts to IBM's Watson (or some simpler algorithm), and have the program spit out a score. And this program would take at most a month to make. I know, I write similar stuff ;)
With that in mind, what would you be able to accomplish with a team of 40-50 developers and several months? What scares me is how the initial assumptions that go into querying data can give you radically different results at the end, and these intelligence agencies do not exactly explain what methods they are using to determine who is a 'bad guy.'
"what would you be able to accomplish with a team of 40-50 developers"
Now imagine what you could do with 1/2 of Apple and FB and TW etc 's developers?
Every camera phone, every home survellance system, every roadside camera, every business CCTV (not really closed circuit now as they are wireless), every bank transaction , every ticket purchase, and so the list goes on .......
Every Gold transaction?
What could you do with ALL that?
To be honest, you try complaining in any western society about the continued requirement for all to work forty hours a week just to keep a roof over your head. People soon start calling you workshy and lazy. I just can't figure out what was the point of having the industrial revolution and making all that pollution if it means we still get to work like dogs. What did we gain exactly? Why do BOTH parents have to work?
Whenever I ask these questions people start to treat ME like I am the problem. Why is it that each job has become like a prize, awarded to the most creative CV writers? And if you actually have one that pays sufficient for you to get by in relative comfort (as much as one can do when mortgaged up the wazoo) then they constantly threaten to take it away if you don't enthusiastically comply with whatever fuckery they come with.
Seems like the chinese are just trying to catch up. What gets me is when I see people who are clearly being worked/stressed to death telling me how wonderful we have it now, and how much worse it is in other countries...
DC must be so jealous.
I for one will be pleased to become compliant and play any internet 'game' which my benevelont jew overlords wish.
Jews are not really in control. It is just made to appear that way.
Oh dear God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
Donald Trump, on China.
"I have nothing to hide"
Well, the bozos who coined the above term, have fun. You think keeping up with mortgage, car payments, Obama Care, taxes, raising kids and keeping a spouse happy is stressful, wait til .gov does a 'test' on you.
Me, I'm not worried. I'm a non conformist, live in the boonies and am too old. I tell my children and grandchildren they need to get rid of this 'evil eye' government encroachment.
They think I am crazy now, but I think they may be coming around.
I would love to turn that "You shouldn't be afraid if you have nothing to hide" around by pointing out that the Fed shouldn't be afraid of an audit if they have nothing to hide.
You sound like my dad in BC/Okanagan. :-)
Patriot Points.
#Berniebucks
'Hush your crying,' said the farmer
Who told you a calf to be?
Why have you not wings to fly with
Like the swallow so proud and free? . . .
Calves are easily bound and slaughtered
Never knowing the reason why
But whoever treasures freedom
Like the swallow has learned to fly . . . '
Time for those who treasure freedom to DISAPPEAR! I highly recommend taking the Dedicant course from Ar N'Draiocht Fein for the meditation on the Tree of Life -- a surefire spell for raising a good solid fog. If you don't believe me, YOU try finding an ADF internal political meeting where tensions are brewing (constant in ADF) after dark. And then try sitting through one, yipes. Anyway, fog. Take six months to a year and learn to raise the Mist, then you can vanish at will.
There are advantages to living on the borders of Faerie . . .
As the decendent of Irish Kings I have no trouble raising a mist. Couple beers some chili...and it's a green fog.
I hear Vancouver is nice this time of year.
The final victorious offensive of the sci-fi dystopian State, or its last desperate grasp for power?
I honestly don't know the answer.
Is this not what assface is? (facebook for people plugged in). I admit I went on it for the simple fact I couldn't find anything better for talking to my Russian fiance. But even a year before she got here, I said fuck it. Tried cancelling, but if you click a link that has something to do with facebook, your profile becomes active again. Fucking criminals. I left a computer for 3 weeks (not that I haven't done that before. TRY IT, no cell phone or computer for ONE WEEK. Take vacation days and see what's important in your life. Seriously, I've never owned a cell phone. Where I work I don't need one. Cell phones do not 'save your life'.
Are they gonna be able to see their scores are or will it be more like the NSA does it here?
Interesting the references to FB, especially when one considers who's at the head and his position on censorship. Then again, what happened in Mao's China descended from the likes of Trotsky, so it kinda sorta follows...
Maybe having the lowest score will become the popular thing, in that case this program would prove to be a serious problem.
Maybe having the lowest score will become the popular thing, in that case this program would prove to be a serious problem.
That's why you all need to aim for a low score, like 68-70. Ideally right in between.
Sounds like it really would become a fear score. Those who are scared would have high scores, those who are fearless would have low scores.
Well, if it's like a credit score we don't have to worry about it being used on Americans.
“my life is past and what little I have left I will give if the cause is worthy enough.”
So wrote “cherry picker” at (reply) 21:09.
If you could reduce your biological age 5 to 50 years, would that qualify as “worthy enough”?
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China made it clear after Sandy Hook, American's give up your weapons.
You are a true believer.
Blessings of the state.
The article has taken some real, some proposed and some imaginary credit tracking programs and smushed them into one 'terrifying', freedom-destroying blob. In other words, it's irresponsible b.s. intended to make the Chinese government look even more diabolical and oppressive than our own.
The underlying cultural truth, though, is that Chinese are willing to cooperate with – and trust – their government much more than we are. They've always respected and looked up to their national leaders and expected those leaders to actually lead – morally and practically. It works for them, as we see.
The underlying lie is that the Chinese government needs to repress its people. It doesn't. Anyone purporting to be China 'experts' like Messrs. Lagerkvist and Creemers, should know that China's government is the most popular, most trusted government on earth.
By why let facts get in the way of a good story?
Oh yeah! The Chinese government is completely for citizens rights and rule of law. That is why they sold out to American corporations, sold their most vulnerable into slavery and endentured servitude, host mobile kill squads and forced abortions. Very kind ;)
As in most civilizations the weak and vulnerable are fodder..
Usa usa usa
What a load of horse crap.
The score is created by Ant Financial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lcUHQYhPTE#t=36s
When FICO gets screwed up its' Hell getting that straightened out. Must be tough convincing the state how you're a great citizen now and getting that score back up. Oh that's right, all you have to do is alienate yourself from your low ranking friends and family, promote state sponsored media, and snitch on neighbors. Real cool.
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Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer...Chinese style.
Digital will end up being our worse nightmare and our undoing. It is the "Perfect" tool for the crazed sociopaths around us and the insane psychopaths that want to control our every breath (literally). Sure, it's cool, you can play games and other useless crap but even a blind man could see how governments are going to be useing it. The social networks are piped right into governments security complex. Wouldn't surprise me if everything we post even here on ZH is stored on some digital crap machine somewhere. For sure it's on ZH servers and thus available to any Tom, Dick or Harry LEO. I myself am very close to going dark. This stuff isn't laughable anymore. It's getting DEADLY serious.
It's funny, but I'm doing a study on topic coverage in mainstream vs. alternative media, and yes, it's really not hard to do what's called "screen scraping" and record everything on every web page. And with something that executes Javascript (such as Selenium Server or Ghost.py), with the right understanding of a webpage you can also harvest comments and map them to users.
http://jeanphix.me/Ghost.py/
But when you aren't the government, you must mind the TOCs of any site you visit. And robots.txt . What scares me is given how easy it is for an average joe developer like myself, I can only imagine what you could do with a team of good devs and no moral compunction.
Doesn't it say at the bottom of the site that even ZH is affiliated with ABC? Maybe it's a different ABC? It has to be.
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Hopefully a perfect score or a minimum is 666 and once you've reached it, you get a lucky chip in your forehead or arm to conduct daily life/transactions.
The ultimate goal is to be assimilated... one with the Borg... but in this episode everyone chases the giant Borg cube as opposed to be being chased by it and forcefully assimilated.
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Personally, I'd rather hang with the low scoring crowd.
Will it be possible to go into negative social citizen credits? ....or do I just stop when I finally reach zero?
That's when you are "disappeared"
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Asia has 4B plus people. China has 1.3B.
This system should thin out the Chinese population - Chinese society is a locusts' system.
The rules in any system can be circumvented. It's the core of the hacker ethic. This thing will be circumvented before it's even off the ground.
Watch.
The Great Chinese Firewall has more tunnels under it than there are prairie dog holes in Kansas.
Crap! That means if I post to--->www.wartornnations.net I'll be ranked so low I can't even apply for a dog catcher position.
Hell, if I post here I'll be downgraded to dishwasher.
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State warranted FICO score sinking as I type...
Without a doubt, this is coming to the West, and it will be one more pressure driving increasing identity theft.
having been to china, i really doubt this will work. half the population probably doesnt even have interest access
We all have "interest access", just sometimes we are not inerested. :-}
And like everything else, a good score will be for sale, one way or another.
KGB? Stasi? FBI uses agents to provoke people. Precrime all the way.
what are you worried about?
once the petrobuck blows up, the FED will be first in line providing low cost Obediance Credit credit.
Globalists won't stop until they pussify everything. What an awesome world that would be!