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Mapping The Ongoing 'World War' In Syria & Iraq
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Turkey has deployed troops to Northern Iraq near Mosul and the Shaqlawa region. Source Cihan Turkey is also deploying troops on the Syrian border to protect the Tomb of Suleyman Shah Source Wikipedia
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Spain has deployed the PATRIOT missile system as part of NATO’s obligation to protect Turkey. Source Nato
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Russia has deployed an S-400 air defense system, and stations Su-24 bombers at the Russian Hmeimim military base in Latakia. Source EuroNews
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Britain is carrying out airstrikes in Syria and Iraq. The UK bombers are stationed in Cyprus. Source The Guardian
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Hundreds of Iranian troops arrived in Syria in October. Source The Guardian In the media there is widespread rumour that Iranian advisers and special forces are also operating in Iraq.
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Australia has sent 300 military trainers to Iraq; it is also conducting airstrikes there. The Australian air force is stationed in the UAE Source The Guardian Australia’s Air Task Group is conducting air combat and supports operations in Iraq and Syria. Source Australian Government
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Denmark has committed over 100 military trainers to Iraq in 2015 at the request of the USA. Source The Local
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By deploying F-16s to Jordan and sending military trainers to Kurds, the Netherlands, in concert with a number of other countries led by the United States, is helping to break the fighting power of the ISIS terrorist organisation. Source Dutch Ministry of Defence
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The US is to deploy a specialised force to Iraq to build pressure on Islamic State militants. Source BBC There are US soldiers to train Kurds in Northern Iraq. Source: Deutsche Welle US is conducting air strikes in Syria from the Turkish Base Incirlik. The US is also conducting airstrikes in Iraq. Source Reuters
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France is conducting air strikes from its carrier located in the Persian Gulf. The strikes are directed against targets in Iraq and Syria. Source The National Interest
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Italian forces have been present in the Middle East as part of the western coalition against Isis for over a year, but until now they have played merely a supporting role. The Italian forces in the coalition consist of fighter jets, unarmed drones and a KC767 refuelling aircraft, all of which are being operated from an airbase in Kuwait. Source: Source The Local
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Israel is conducting different air strikes against Hezbollah in Syria and the Assad government. Israel supports the Jihadist movement against Assad. Source Reuters
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And munition makers are frothing out the mouth!
Amnesty International reports that Russian airstrikes in Syria have killed hundreds of civilians, including use of cluster bombs:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/middleeast/russia-airstrikes-syria-amnesty...
While American monkey-business there is evil, the USA is not bombing Syria. No clean hands.
With all those flags bombing in one little nation, shouldn't we be calling it a World War?
And ISIS is still able to sell oil on the black market? LMFAO....... how shameful to the western military complex. F'n downright EMBARRASSING. How many more nations are needed to get involved before this bullshit ends? lol
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We've been lied to bigtime and there are no black-flag boogeymen, only hired hitmen sent in to destabilize resource-rich and logistically strategic regions to enrich a few oligarchs.
The world is truly sick. Time for people to stand up and take it back and end these perverse banker wars.
We are indeed doing that, do look around on web sites like mine.
Mine is a non-violent version of revolution, but most are military. No kidding, we are soon going to take this government down and our Israeli-Neocons will flee.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/amnesty-program-for-israel...
Suprised they don't just cut out the middle-men and fly over and bomb Saudi. It's their money and ideology tthat drives the headchoppers.
All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq_su8XIpZU
Anti-Muslim Christian - End is Nigh - Y tube video - FYI - Not worth clicking and he has it on 3 threads.
Now Do-Chen, you're not going to get any approval for stating facts on this thread...
"Shortly after 8.30 on a Sunday morning, Russian jets took off from an air base near Syria’s Mediterranean coast. Less than 30 minutes later, they fired three missiles into a crowded market, killing 49 people.
A new report by Amnesty International lays bare the scale of the suffering caused by Russia’s campaign on behalf of Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. The human rights group documented the deaths of 200 civilians in 25 Russian air strikes in the space of two months."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12065631/Russ...
That's a micro-aggression. I'm calling someone, I need a safe zone.
#BearingLivesMatter ;-)
I disagree mnewn. The clintons were involved with Amnesty and it is clear where this is leading.
The Clinton's are involved everywhere, it's a multi-national crime family enterprise...lol...it still doesn't mean that a hurricane didn't hit Haiti (and they then swoop in offering "aid" and scoring "lawful" contracts for their cronies) or that they didn't stab their own countrymen in the back and allow the sale of guidance systems to the Chi-Coms for campaign cash.
The Clintons are for the Clintons, not FOR Amnesty International or against or FOR fluffy kittens and rainbows or against, they'd turn over on Amnesty International tomorrow if they thought they could make a buck or to save their hide so to make the assumption is to not know the Clintons.
Yes all those things are true, but you didn't get to the heart of the latter comment, which was you can't truth Amnesty International stats. We don't know how many people died. Probably more than zero, which is sad, but we have to believe the Amnesty is at least doubling the figures.
Nmewn; look at who you're quoting. The London Telegraph. U.K. com back slash Bullshit. The Reason this crap story is being made up is , drum roll, Putin is fucking up all the Jihadist fighting against Asad not just fake ass ISIS, the real terrorists are the so called Moderates ( yeah, right). Even if you believe the Rebels are right moderates they are no. If your Kalishnikov is pointed toward Damascus you're are going to get the frigging fuck bombed out of you. Shave your beard, take your nasty funky arrmpits and funk nuts and run puppets the US is using you for cannon fodder.
So, you're saying Russian air strikes HAVE NOT killed over 200 civilians in less than two months?
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If you have a problem with the London source, you could have gone to the original article at Amnesty International...
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/12/syria-russias-shameful-fa...
...it's that internet thingy, don't you have access to it where you're posting from? ;-)
Do you trust Amnesty completely? Are they immune from NATO influence? HQ: London, UK (not just NATO but 5 eyes)
For a guy who claims to have a neutral view you don't seem to realize that everything you read is likely influenced by one of the major actors. In this case a well renouned organization centered in London and one that surely has a lot of covert political influence coming its way, from powers in its juristiction.
Considering what we know of NATO modus operandi how do you take claims that Russia is killing civilians, blasted on MSM (just like the "invasion of ukraine" 100 times last year) at face value? I call bullshit on the anti-russian nonsense and your faux neutral stance.
Yes, Amnesty was taken over by the CIA (the State Department's military wing) some years ago. The organisation does good work, but only with the permission of State. I don't trust it at all - and actually cut it out of my Will when I discovered its untrustworthiness.
You Vladinator guys are a fucking trip...lol.
I never again want to see any of you citing Amnesty International or the BBC or the NYT's or the Post or the Guardian (lol) etc...ever...because of your own proganda standards you're setting tonight. Just stay in your own comfort zones, RT, Tass, Pravada, StormFront...what-the-fuck-ever.
So...again...DO YOU DISPUTE THE ACCURACY of the...ahem, "allegation" or not?
It's a simple yes or no question ;-)
First off, can't you read? Of course I dispute the accuracy of the allegation.
What part of all sources of msm information are usually influenced by an actor don't you understand? LOL!
I've never quoted any msm source (with the intent of claiming take-it-as-they-say allegations are accurate) because of the very fact it is all bullshit, all of it, including the organizations you somehow think are neutral (because they "do good" LOL!) yet have an HQ in London ffs!
I also like how you call me Vladinator, showing us clearly that you have a faux neutral stance in your pro NATO-ish Russophobic blabber. Please keep talking!
Side note: Using logic and not parroting, what makes you think Russia would need to bomb a market full of civilians? Also, why would they do that if they are trying to win the hearts of Syrians and with the whole world watching? Does this delusional accusation actually make more sense to you than the idea that (considering NATO modus operandi) it might very likely be complete bullshit?
And you dispute it with what, nothing. The pictures mean nothing, the witnesses mean nothing, the dead caused by Russian jets mean nothing.
"It's enough that I dispute it!" meant something in the USSR, not anymore.
"The pictures mean nothing, the witnesses mean nothing, the dead caused by Russian jets mean nothing."
And you know these are real or what they are projected to appear because.......??????
nmewn, I refuse to believe a neutral viewer knowing what we know about the modus operandi of all actors would believe the drivel you are trying so hard to project as fact. If you are neutral, I suggest you re-evaluate the way you think.
Its Amnesty, an important NATO based oranization with political links. Might as well quote an anonymous military source on CNN.
Also, I edited the end of my previous post, please answer the logical question.
Its not enough to "just dispute it" you have to PROVE it's a lie and bring down Amnesty International as liars.
Surely you and the Kremlin are up to the challenge ;-)
I have to prove a negative? LOL!
No, you prove to me that what they present is what they say it is! Until then it is bullshit from a large politically influenced organization in a NATO country.
You should have quit arguing before you exposed yourself. You have no argument to my claims, yet you keep talking nonsense. It's kind of funny.
Also, you still never answered my question from two posts up.
Anything negative on Russia or Putin is Bad+Unproven divided by Unpossibility, squared by Infinity to=You're a crazy American who see's bodies mutilated in the streets by Ukrainian jihadists from Mexico, yes, yes, I get all that.
BUT YOU STILL HAVEN'T PROVEN IT'S NOT REAL.
The assertion has been made by Amnesty International, DISPROVE IT, comrade.
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Well just damn, Al Jazeera too ;-)
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/suspected-russian-raids-kill-dozen...
Honestly, your responses are dancing with insanity. I don't even know what you are trying to say.
It's simple: Why do you think that what Amnesty says is accurate? Why do you think an organization in a NATO country should be trusted by their words, and why are you so adament? Have you forgotten Iraq, Ukraine, or even the (as presented) staged deaths due to Assad?
I don't need to disprove anything, gov troll, you need to prove your allegations are accurate before people actually believe them. That's what this discussion has been about. I, and anyone who actually thinks for more than 3 seconds, tend to not believe allegations from actors that have blood and lies all over them and demand actual evidence from neutral parties (real neutral, not faux neutral). LOL, who owns Al Jezeera, dumbass?
For the third time, you still haven't answered my question...why is that so hard for you? LOL
Well fine then, enlighten me on a neutral party we can all trust.
Again, yes or no.
There is no neutral party, but if I were inclined to put more stock in a party it would most likely come from a nation that is not alligned with any of the actors. Perhaps a South American source, as an example. However, even souces from geopolitical regions that are less aligned to the parties in question could very well be infuenced by them, and could also choose not to align themselves even in a neutral stance due to the obvious repercussions even a neutral stance may bring.
That is why it is best to be skeptical of it all. That is why I don't believe Amnesty. It's London based. It is large and renouned enough to definitely be covertly influenced. It is a very logical assessment, even if it is unfortunate that humanity has come to this, but this is where we are. I'm confused here because if you took the red pill then you should already understand all of this.
I also ask, why would the Russian bomb a market, with the whole world watching, and with them trying to win the hearts of Syrians? Sure, accidents do happen...but I doubt the Russians are as incompetent as the Americans were when they bombed a hospital (no longer allegedly; but the americans still place blame on everyone and everythign but themselves)
But where did the Russians actually deny bombing the market? You're presumption "[you] that doubt the Russians are as incompetent" presumes that there were no legitimate targets at the market. If you aren't a Puti troll, you're brainwashed. Regardless you are not neutral or even objective, so stop faking it.
The Russiians intentionally kill civilians. The US has collateral damage. Same result but since the US loves the Syrian people and wants to liberate them from Assad, well, you know the rest.
There is a difference between intentionally killing civilians (by virtue of unavoidable side effect given a chosen course of action) and intentionally targeting civilians.
My objection, however, has to do with trolling masquerading as objectivity. Based on a statistically significant sample of the 393 articles he has posted comments on, he is anything but neutral. He might be able to fool the fresh meat and some of dimmer veterans, but when confronted he weasels and triangulates like Bill Clinton.
The after weaseling on his own neutrality and whether there are any trustworthy sources- He conflates intellectual neutrality with sovereign neutrality. He can't be that stupid, his posts aren't that ignorant (a lot of his logical and rhetorical fallacies are subtle). There is only one neutral country on this planet, I live in it most of the time and it's nowhere near my farm in south America...
Moreover, while I my domicile is a neutral sovereign, I would hardly claim to be neutral myself. I am objective and reasoned. For an individual to be neutral requires either inhuman stoicism or gross ignorance and indifference. However, anyone possessing that degree of stoicism (or being that close to Nirvana in the eastern practices) would not be posting comments on a widely read fringe blog.
I never claimed to be neutral. Mostly everyone has even subconscious biases.
I simply stated that there are no reliable sources or neutral parties, and place my doubt on a large renouned NATO based organization that is by all reason and logic highly influenced by NATO parties.
As a side note, when I do lay my suspicions, which is my human right, I lay my suspicions based on what I see happening in the world over the long term, not on small events, and my biases have been proven to be correct due to the fact that they rely on the bigger picture that develops. May i be wrong sometimes? Sure, but I know after all this time who the aggressor is and how much bullshit they usually spew (relative to others). That doesn't mean that all parties don't lie sometimes, just that I know how much stock to put into what each party says relative to the amount of murder and choas each has clearly and objectively shown to cause (regardless of the reasons they put for causing it).
No... you just repeatedly implied that you were neutral while accusing nmewn of not being neutral, even though he is actually far closer to neutral than you are (based on the 393 articles that you have commented on which can be summartized as you want an axis of Russia and China to displace the US as world hegemon, plus the occasional unrealted pro-gold comment).
And then after claiming there are no reliable sources or neutral parties, you shifted the burden of proof of a legitmate accusation because you don't like the source. Yet you have refused to name any any neutral or acceptable sources. And depsite having NO SOURCES for your information you claim to be informed about the modi operandi of all the actors (BTW - you should find some acceptable sources for declension and conjugation in Latin).
As to your sources, and what you see happening in the world. How do you know there is even a war in Syria? Have you been to Syria, or do speak with people in Syria now? Your demand for neutral sources is a strawman. Objectivity requires critically evaluating all available sources, and baises cannot be proven correct, unlike conclusions based on them, applying biases on a forward looking basis leads one one to such erranr conclusion as Iraq has WMD.
"If you are neutral..." means YOU have shut your trap about the USSA's crimes. Unless you can provide proof of them, and some guy who put a video on YouTube is NOT proof.
Being suspect of MSM is perfectly reasonable, but you have provided NO ALTERNATIVE, just the usual linguistic acrobatics of a propaganda/disinformation agent.
Viewing both the USSA and USSR with suspicion, however, is neutral.
What kind of an alternative are you looking for when discussing the veracity of specific allegations from a NATO based source?
Are the actors in the middle east looking out for their own interests and not actually there to help Syrians (as a first objective)? Of course!
I'm not denying the Russians aren't there for their own benefit and that their bombs do sometimes have collateral damage.
My argument is the fact that NATO based sources seem to constantly provide hard to verify claims in msm of Russian crimes against humanity, overlooking their own or their allies crimes mind you, in order to clearly pacify domestic populations for war against their geopolitical rival. I intend to fight this obvious bullshit for the obvious repercussions it may bring, and thus demand neutral coverage of any of their claims (rarely ever happens)
"I'm not denying the Russians aren't there for their own benefit and that their bombs do sometimes have collateral damage."
lol...well of course not!
You just chewed up the better part of an entire thread saying it never happened while impugning the sources I gave saying that those bombs actually did cause "collateral damage".
And with that, good night, comrade ;-)
If your only way to win an argument in your mind is to misinterpret what I say, then I not only feel sorry for you but have lost any respect for you.
When I said their bombs do sometimes have collateral damage (always happens in war) i did not mean that what Amnesty claimed was accurate. These are mutually exclusive. I'm saying it is statistically likely that civilians have been killed. It is also likely bullshit the numbers and specific events that a NATO source posts. Surely,you do understand the difference? Or are you that bent on ending this thread before I continue beating you
hey fuck stick, have you ever worked with an NGO before? I have. Lots.
For whatever reason, I think NGOs hire some of the most bat-shit crazy people in the world. They aren't motivated by money but by power, yet they don't have the balls to go after the big brass ring the way a politician does. At the same time they dont have the mental set to make it in the real corporate world.
Also, have you ever stopped to think that NGOs NEED WAR as much as the MIC to thrive? Where else will all the liberal arts peace-niks go for work where they get to travel the world, stay in 4-5 star hotels...most of their staff are on a permanent walkabout for their own selfish reasons. So no, I never believe anything Amnesty International says.
An accusation of 200 deaths when over 1500 bombs have admittedly been dropped by just the long range element of Russian Air Force (excluding forces based at Latakia) and you have the audacity to claim" I call bullshit on the anti-russian nonsense and your faux neutral stance."
You're not neutral.
Bombs dropped in on targets embedded in civilian areas don't "sometimes" have collateral damage, they almost always have collateral damage.
Okay, so if Amnesty (and their report) is neutral and legitimate,
where is the report on the civilian deaths from 14 months of American bombs?
Now that we have settled that they arent't neutral, how can you believe their numbers and claims?
Who said the Amnesty report is neutral?
What is unsubstantiated in the Amnesty report is that the accusation that Russian forces "appear to have directly attacked civilians or civilian objects by striking residential areas with no evident military target" which would be a war crime, and which the Russian Ministry of Defense objected to (unfortunately after denying civilian deaths earlier and saying civilian deaths in a war zone were a fiction of western propaganda, see footnotes of Amnesty report) . However, since the report was published... at least the MoD isn't still denying that civilian deaths have occurred. Amnesty definitely overreached in that it actually has no evidence that there was "no evident military target" unless they somehow have access to classified Russian intelligence, or are using some language other than English. But THERE ARE ZERO sources of information that can be accepted entirely and without critical review in a war.
As to where the Amnesty report on Syria is, it hasn't been written yet, unlike those on Iraq & Afghanistan where they do fault the US.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iraq/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/afghanistan/re...
But HRW will probably write one on Syria before Amnesty does, and it might very well be imperfect, but considering that the US (public and private) is largely funding the criticism of the US, I think the Russian are getting a deal.
While waiting for it, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
In the meantime, stop constructing strawmen, or do you want to admit right here that you are so stupid you didn't realize what you were doing in that post.
No-one is constructing straw men arguments.
Simply, I am stating that Amnesty is a NATO based organization and is definitely influenced by said actor. That is undeniable.
You are constructing strawman arguments, as I detailed above. Furthermore, you are arguing that not only is Amnesty International influenced by NATO but that any and all allegations leveled by Amnesty are not worthy of a response and can be dismissed out of hand, solely and entirely because of the source. That's almost exactly how a Zionist Nazi dismisses the allegations against Israel made by Palestinians, Amnesty International, and others.
It's standard American political response....when stuck in the "reverse" matrix;)
Let the down votes come...
nmewn, while we should abhor all loss of life, the thing is here that Russia is in Syria at the behest of Assad, the current government of Syria. None of the other governments have any right to be there and as it is well argued, much if not all of the tragedy in this part of the world is due to the West's interventions. Recall that we also justified the elimination of Iraq's government as well as Egypt's and Libya's for abuses of THEIR people. The whole thing is fucked and we largely fucked it, and while we can feel obliged to condemn Putin for his murderous tactics, he has nothing on the rest of us. America has created this opportunity for Putin, and we will just have to live with it...horror and all.
Borders mean nothing in war, sovereignty and governments even less.
I'll remind ALL of you I was among the first to point out the Benghazi to Turkey pipeline, that wasn't MY ARMS pipeline (it was those I oppose daily) and again...Assad & Putin are no angels in this either.
This shits been going on for centuries and it will be going on long after we're worm food, there are no "good guys" in the Middle East, just different players jokeying for position in trade, wealth & power.
Bombshell proof! Hillary paid Amnesty International to prepare coup
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/07/ai-eritrea/
Shades of Vietnam body count, 90% inaccurate. How many civilian deaths has the US BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR in Syria and Iraq in the last year and a half. http://airwars.org/civcas-2015/.....................http://foreignpolicy... it comes to mass casualties of civilians, USSA and its coalition win hands down. If your point is knowledge, that is one thing, if its to prove the Russians are worse at creating civilian deaths.......you lose. We hold the title and have for last 12 yrs.
The problem is that the very statistics you hold up is they are also "90% inaccurate"
Civilian casualties are a byproduct of wars (and occasionally a direct/primary product). The more you wars you fight the more civilian casualties you will produce.
When/if Russia has engaged in an as many wars as the US then it would be appropriate to compare (inherently flawed) numerical counts.
Until then, he issue is the rate at which they are created relative to the amount of war waged. And the winner of that dubious distinction has not been established.
"When/if Russia has engaged in an as many wars as the US"
Somehow I doubt any country in the near term will engage in as many wars and as much mayhem as the country whose continued existence relies on perpetual war against sovereign states; which is where the real argument of the ever growing number of people waking up in the world starts.
Naive optimism??????
How many wars did the US wage before dethroning the UK as hegemon versus afterwards? How many wars did the UK wage before dethroning the Spain as hegemon versus afterwards? How many wars did Spain wage before dethroning the Dutch as hegemon versus afterwards? How many wars did the Dutch wage before dethroning Florence as hegemon versus afterwards? Do I really need to I continue to Byzantium and Rome?
Of course Rinse, Repeat doesn't apply to Russia or China, because this time is different...
Nmewn; look at who you're quoting. The London Telegraph. U.K. com back slash Bullshit. The Reason this crap story is being made up is , drum roll, Putin is fucking up all the Jihadist fighting against Asad not just fake ass ISIS, the real terrorists are the so called Moderates ( yeah, right). Even if you believe the Rebels are right moderates they are no. If your Kalishnikov is pointed toward Damascus you're are going to get the frigging fuck bombed out of you. Shave your beard, take your nasty funky arrmpits and funk nuts and run puppets the US is using you for cannon fodder.
The Russian MOD response. The Amnesty International report is based on remote assessment, social media sources and phone interviews with 'activists' ie Soros WHite Helmets. The report is full of 'supposed Russian attack' , 'possible Russian attack'. The Russian MoD reprots that the US does not provide information on its flights and what they are targetting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5tIrb4dR9k
In short, the Amnesty Report is the same quality as the reports used to try to pin blame for the MH-17 shootdown on Russia.
38BWD22 - 23 weeks. sprouting CNN as sources. Piss off.
And Iraqi troops just sorta strolled right into the heart of Ramadi.
ISIS...lol...fucking please.
No reason to stay. They'd already picked up the spankin new military hardware left there by the Iraqi's when they invaded. I imagine they will invade again, pick up a new supply of hardware and ammunition. Then simply rinse and repeat ad nauseam.
More than likely, they'll throw down their weapons, strip out of their black pajamas and go hide behind womens skirts again like the fucking cowards they are.
'Cowards' doesn't seem right somehow for a guy who will strap on a suicide vest out of commitment to an ideal.
'Stupid', 'lacking perspective', other things, but no 'coward'.
You have to use the right words in order to think clearly, don't you think?
Cowards is correct.
Fighting hand to hand takes bravery- fighting from afar with weapons perhaps a little less bravery.
But there is nothing brave about blowing yourself up while in the midst of civilians.
Cowards is what they are.
They don't want to stand and fight other men WHEN THOSE MEN ARE COMING AFTER THEIR ASS and suicide is the act of being a coward.
They don't want the humiliation of A MAN standing over them with a gun barrel in the hollow of his neck saying "Move motherfucker and die, then saying...awww fuck it you POS die anyway you sick SOB...BOOM!"
That's what they really don't want, so they will run.
It would be one thing to willingly die for a loved one, or even for a country that is the home to your loved ones, but to die for your religion, and to incentivize your loved ones to do the same is not just cowardice....it is serious mental illness that occurs after a thousand years of living in a closed society while being constantly and simultaneously indoctrinated and terrorized by true believers.
Terrorism is used every day by every govt. Arresting a drug dealer for the third time and kicking his teeth in, or giving a small time tax cheat the maximum sentence in jail, anytime the govt "sets an example" or "makes an example out of" someone that's terrorism. They are trying to scare people straight, they are terrorizing the population to get their political goals achieved.
All govts are terror organizations and should be viewed as such.
Now, is suicide bombing cowardly? It's very evil and stupid, but not cowardly. They face death. I'd rather face certain pain in the fight you say is brave, than certain death. I assume most would agree with me.
I doubt the fact that some stranger might stand over them with a gun even crosses their minds, as they are saying their prayers for their murdered family members before they release the pressure switch. It comes across as slightly sheltered to think that those type of situations are not a common day occurrence to the future suicide bombers anyway.
Sure feel sad for the innocent people in the middle of all this stupidity by financial sociopaths.
That's the problem right there Socio/Psychopaths. The worst of all worlds. Master manipulators with an unholy hunger for power over others up to and definitely including murder. Everyone world wide is like some kind of Stockholm Syndrome victim just starting to realize how fucking scary it really is being held hostage by nut jobs.
All we need is a spark and the world will be in plunged into a major war.
WTF are so many countries bombing the heck out of a sovereign nation of Syria? Whatever happened to the concept of International Law?
As it is, 300,000 Syrians have been killed, over 1,000,000 injured and maimed and 4 million refugees created. How much killing and maiming is enough?
And how would they enforce "law"?
Laws are silent in times of war - Cicero.
Thank you.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
It's always the same, only worse.
-Volkodav--
Cicero always did have some healthy advice to offer ;-)
Ya, here's another,
"I prefer tongue-tied knowledge to ignorant loquacity." - Cicero
Exceptional, eh?
Yes, quite exceptional to find a Canadian quoting Cicero ;-)
Might Makes Right has always been the supreme international law.
Hairless apes, whatever high opinion they have of themselves,have never shaken off the
jungle.We are only really good at one thing,killing each other.
That's why we loves us some Vladinator! ;-)
"Hairless apes..."
You got her number?
Oh boy... that could start one right bad ass thread ....
BTW talking about apes, WTF is it with that Washington newspaper making Cruz's daughters into monkeys? Would be racist if they did that to Obama's kids, no?
Just imagine, attacking half Hispanic children...and then Hillary does the whole pander to Hispanics thingy with Grandma/Abuela.
Which went over as well as one might expect, coming from a rich-white-crony-socialist associated with an administration that was running guns across the southern border to, ya know...KILL THEM...lmao!!!
So much for the Democrats being the party of "Science" - Sasha and Malia Obama are apes.
Of course their "science" about when human life begins is more contorted than the Biblical notion of limbo or Joooo "science" on birth by cesarean section.
And their climate "science" predates heliocentrism and is enforced by religious dogma that puts the persecution of Galileo Galilei to shame.
That would be a bad ass thread.
"we are only really good at killing each other".
Hyperbolate much?
'Might makes right" is still true everywhere. Community expectations, from traditional honor concepts through formal laws, enlist the many against the mighty and so allow civilization to play positive-sum games. Doing that with larger and more diverse populations is how we all got so wealthy and healthy and have at least the opportunity for wisdom.
Problem is how mighty the mighty relative to the many. But the internet is fixing that, as we are doing.
The facts speak for themselves.Most of those great advances were the bye products
in the pursuit of more efficient methods of killing other hairless apes.
Our veneer of civilisation is exactly that,a veneer,covering up tarted trash with a pretty face.
All sacrifices on the altar of Satan, and he is never satisfied.
Only until humanity chooses to turn away from him can we have peace, and things will be better.
Turn toward love and start within. From that space anything is possible.
the next (soon) one will be the last and it will end well with a start from scratch new begining and the fuckin' warmongers in hell.
The great thing about sand is you can blow it up today and blow it up again tomorrow.
Well yes - except for all that depleted uranium that is left behind.
No, it won't end well. That's why the pope claims it's the end but yets worried about gun control instead of things that really matter like his cock sucking minions.
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Anyone seen pics of Damascus lately? Seemis like i read something somewhere about that
Yes- yet another Bible prophecy come true.
Hundreds of events foretold, hundreds or even thousands of years beforehand.
All but a few have been fulfilled.
And yet the unbelievers stubbornly cling to thier mantra that the Bible isn't the word of God himself.
Isaiah 17: The prophecy of Damascus: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2017
What exactly is relevant? Http://Bibviz.com
I agree- your link is completely irrelevant.
It makes many mistakes in comprehension.
Metaphorical language is quite obvious to those of us who have carefully studied the Bible.
For example- the dragon, Woman, sea, beast, etc in Revelation are all metaphors.
The dragon is Satan, the Woman is the Church, the sea are the peoples of Earth, the Beast out of the sea are the dominant governments throughout Biblical history.
If one can't understand context and metaphors- which the author of that link can't- it's like a retard trying to understand how to build using a blueprint.
You have your definitions wrong, which is troubling for the validity of your argument. In the cases you cite, the terms are symbols not metaphors. Metaphors are more explicit in their meaning, where symbols are cloaked. You can read more here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2041-6962.1968.tb02173.x/ab...
But say you are right, and it's all to be taken metaphorically. Well, then maybe the whole thing is one big metaphor, and was never supposed to be taken as a reference? Who's to say? You? The trouble with metaphors is that they are all imperfect. And I'm sure you wouldn't say that about the Bible.
The contradiction link was merely to show that there are many more contradictions in the Bible than your supposed prophecies. And that if it's construed to be a correct prophecy in one passage, it probably is contradicted in another (yet the contradiction ignored).
There's not a single contradiction in the Bible if it is read in proper context.
It's not all metaphorical, either - just most prophecy.
If you'd studied it like I have, you'd know it interprets itself if you read carefully and use cross references.
Your lack of understanding is obvious.
I dunno.Natty gas has been around for awhile.Why all the fuss about a pipeline this year?
The Saudis and Israelis working together? Ah,they both hate Iranians. Now I got it...
Look,quite a few US troops got killed and wounded in places like Afghanistan.
The attackers (Taliban) were trained and funded by Pakistani Intelligence through the
Saudis (and CIA,drugs). Any other country would have been taken behind the woodshed
long ago.The Saudis have kept the petrodollar illusion going long past its shelf-life....
Perhaps this is about the Saudi monarchy folding its tent,and everyone wants to be
hanging around for scraps...
(I did not mention the 9/11 attackers nationality).
As we aren't privy to the KSA oil reserve figures,just maybe,the Royals wh are,
are doing the only thing they can to remain in power ?
This is a war for resources, so why exactly are the KSA in it ?
Forget the Sunni Shia divide, this is a modern construct/pretext whatever the bigots here on ZH may say.
From my own experience decades ago,then it was no worse than between methodists and Catholics
in Scotland at a soccer game.Lots of piss and wind, but little else.
""Israel supports the Jihadist movement against Assad. Source Reuters""
August ???
No longer
Defeating Islamic State will not end jihadist threat in Syria, report warns - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12060706/Defeati...
If the Castle Falls - http://jdem.cz/bu42v5 - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWsHk0lW4AApUXE.jpg - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWxd78jWEAA084m.png - CRG @ RG_Centre https://twitter.com/RG_CentreThe ZioNazis are gonna try to keep this shit going. It will be interesting to see what happens when Syria/Hezbollah drive the ISIS stooges in the Golan towards Israel's borders. Israel has been providing ISIS with sanctuary and medical assisatance, along with IAF strikes against the Syrians and Hezbollah taking on ISIS.
I suspect the only ISIS members to safely cross the border will be Israel's SF/Mossad leaders in ISIS. Poor little ISIS is gonna get double-crossed big time by their buddy, Israel.
You'd think it would be ridiculously easy for even a dimwitted "intelligence" org to trace the money from the ISIS oil....on up through he financial channels.
Apparently it is at least as hard a time as the US Air Farce had in finding ISIS oil tankers running the roads from Syria into Turkey from horizon to horizon.
Interesting point. I wonder though if they even have bank accounts. Gold or cash I'd guess. Can't risk having their accounts frozen.
The world war is not in Syria and Iraq it is in all Europe and Middle East . Continuing military maneuvers all over Europe and new military bases in Eastern Europe, daily flights of Russian strategic bombers to Syria via ??? Iceland and Gibraltar instead of Iran and Iraq carrying who knows what, a nuke or two perhaps.
This is slow motion creeping WWIII with no big bang so far ISIL is just a play, black op ti hide it from world population.
More on that can be found at:
https://syrianwarupdate.wordpress.com/
Will not end well? It's only just begun...step right up for the greatest show in all of human history.
Why does this whole thing smell like a live-fire War Lord bazaar, promoting the hell out of each country's MIC.
It's like "NO MIC LEFT BEHIND".
Wonder if all those ZATO trainers are the leftovers from the failed Ukie civil war!
Also these trainers trained DAESH and so who the fuck are they supposed to be training now?
BIZZARO
How many of those countries have obtained permission from the Syrian government to carry out operations within its borders?
I'm sure the "folks" of the Sasanian Empire were asking the same thing ;-)
Where the fuck are the flags of Saudi Arabia & Libya & Qatar? CAuse those cocksuckers have more nationals on Syrian soil than anyone else. pRobably the entire ISIS army is Saudi!!
Putin and Israel – a complex and multi-layered relationship
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2015/12/putin-and-israel-a-complex-and...
The recent murder of Samir Kuntar by Israel has, yet again, inflamed the discussion about Putin’s relation to Israel. This is an immensely complicated topic and those who like simple, canned, “explanations” should stop reading right now. The truth is, the relationship between Russia and Israel and, even before that, between Jews and Russians would deserve an entire book. In fact, Alexander Solzhenitsyn has written exactly such a book, it is entitled “200 years together”, but due to the iron grip of the Zionists on the Anglo media, it has still not been translated into English. That should already tell you something right there – an author acclaimed worldwide who got the Nobel Prize for literature cannot get his book translated into English because its contents might undermine the official narrative about Russian-Jewish relations in general and about the role Jews played in Russian 20th century politics in particular! What other proof of the reality of the subordination of the former British Empire to Zionists interest does one need?
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200 civilians in 60 days: under 4/day in an urban warfare setting where more than two hundred 250lb bombs are being dropped a day. I would call amnesty international's report a praise to russian military aviation's careful avoidance of collateral damage. What were the #'s "the drone papers" in the intercept gave for the US campaign? 1 terris for every 8 or 9 civilians?
And 200 in 60 days = about 1200 a year. At least that many civilians were killed by cops on the streets of the US this year. Add to that that Putin's numbers are probably politically elevated, and the cop murders are politically reduced.
It's not perfectly on topic, but it shows that civilians in the US (and the US govt for that matter) have many worse problems to worry about than how many more people Putin killed than the US in Syria (which is unfortunately a pretty close race).
The Russian MoD response. The Amnesty International report is based on remote assessment, social media sources and phone interviews with 'activists' ie Soros White Helmets. The report is full of 'supposed Russian attack' , 'possible Russian attack'. The Russian MoD reports that the US does not provide information on its flights and what they are targetting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5tIrb4dR9k
In short, the Amnesty Report is the same quality as the reports used to try to pin blame for the MH-17 shootdown on Russia.
Let them kill each other over Sunni vs. Shia. Ultimately, what the hell are we going to do about it? Send more of our sons to die? Go broke with pointess airstrikes and endless foreign aid?
Carry on with all of your bluster, but as someone who served 11 years, let's send YOUR family over there next time we have boots on the ground.
Oh...what was that? Did I just hear a pin drop?
"Boots on the ground" are sooo 20th century.
They've been replaced by "military advisors" and "military trainers". It's not clear if they use toy guns or real guns.
Nobody mentioned Georgia. Ingushetia is about to light up.
The Turks have been sending 'agents provocateurs' into Ukraine and pushing north towards Georgia while claiming swaths of Iraq. Is northern Iran next? Iran is being squeezed.
But besides the collusion around a Sunni/Kurdistan, the focus is ultimately north-east to Russia, while NATO hold Poland and the Ukraine. Crimea is the other prong.
Between Russia, Chechnya, and South Ossseta in Georgia (known as a smuggling hub and bordering Turkey,) lies Ingushetia. None of this is very far from Sochi (about 50 mi. NW on the map below.) Putin has always had a great deal of trouble with "Chechan rebels," Russia's own Al-Qaeda, in that area. A terror-free Olympics was a surprise (as it always is.)
With NATO support from Moldova and Romania, Crimea is cut off as Russia is pressured on many surrounding fronts. This makes Kazakhstan the main link from Moscow to Beijing (a very well protected route.)
http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/georgia_map.jpg
The Georgians have withdrawn the citizenship of SuckAssVilli, the US stooge who started the Georgia war against South Ossetia, only to be stomped on by Russia. He will have to remain the US viceroy (with emphasis on vice) to Odessa - whilst that lasts.
Crimea will not be cut off. The Russians have opened the first two stages of the four stage underground electricity supply links from the Russian mainland to Crimea via the Kerch strait. The construction of the road and rail bridge replacing the weather-dependent ferry crossing at Kerch is well underway.
That Crimea bit was badly worded on my part. I didn't mean it would fall, I meant to imply that pressure around that spot was intense. But we all already knew that. Geographically speaking though, it's hanging on by a thread.
Note the one not bombing ISIS in the list of flag right at the bottom ...
As an aside a little thought, if A is an enemy to B, but B is supported by C, what does that make C?
A US population.
B ISIS
C US government.
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Go label them.