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Ukraine's Looming "19 Fukushimas" Scenario
Submitted by Dmitry Orlov via ClubOrlov.com, (author of The Five Stages Of Collapse)
With all the action in Syria, the Ukraine is no longer a subject for discussion in the West. In Russia, where the Ukraine is still a major problem looming on the horizon, and where some 1.5 million Ukrainian refugees are settling in, with no intentions of going back to what's left of the Ukraine, it is still actively discussed. But for the US, and for the EU, it is now yet another major foreign policy embarrassment, and the less said about it the better.
In the meantime, the Ukraine is in full-blown collapse - all five glorious stages of it - setting the stage for a Ukrainian Nightmare Before Christmas, or shortly after.
Phase 1. Financially, the Ukrainian government is in sovereign default as of a couple of days ago. The IMF was forced to break its own rules in order to keep it on life support even though it is clearly a deadbeat. In the process, the IMF stiffed Russia, which happens to be one of its major shareholders; what gives?
Phase 2. Industry and commerce are approaching a standstill and the country is rapidly deindustrializing. Formerly, most of the trade was with Russia; this is now over. The Ukraine does not make anything that the EU might want, except maybe prostitutes. Recently, the Ukraine has been selling off its dirt. This is illegal, but, given what's been happening there, the term “illegal” has become the stuff of comedy.
Phase 3. Politically, the Ukrainian government is a total farce. Much of it has been turned over to fly-by-night foreigners, such as the former Georgian president Saakashvili, who is a wanted criminal in his own country, which has recently stripped him of his citizenship. The parliament is stocked with criminals who bought their seat to gain immunity from prosecution, and who spend their time brawling with each other. Prime Minister Yatsenyuk was recently hauled off the podium by his crotch; how dignified is that? He seemed unfazed. Where are his testicles? Perhaps Victoria Nuland over at the US State Dept. is keeping them in a jar. This sort of action may be fun to watch on Youtube, but the reality is quite sad: those who “run” the Ukraine (if the term still applies) are only interested in one thing: stealing whatever is left.
Phase 4. Ukrainian society (if the term still applies) has been split into a number of warring factions. This was, to some extent, inevitable. What happens if you take bits of Poland, Hungary, Romania and Russia, and stick them together willy-nilly? Well, results may vary; but if you also spend $5 billion US (as the Americans did) turning the Ukrainians against Russia (and, since they are mostly Russian, against themselves), then you get a complete disaster.
Phase 5. Cultural collapse is quite advanced. The Ukraine once had the same world-class educational system as Russia, but since independence they switched to teaching in Ukrainian (a made-up language) using nonexistent textbooks. The kids have been taught a bogus history hallucinated by rabid Ukrainian nationalists. They've been told that Russia is backward and keeping them back, and that they deserve to be happy in the EU. (Just like the Greeks? Yeah...) But now the population has been reduced to levels of poverty not commonly seen outside of Africa, and young people are fleeing, or turning to gangsterism and prostitution, to merely survive. This doesn't make for a happy cultural narrative. What does it mean to be “a Ukrainian” now? Expletives deleted. Sorry I asked.
Now, here's what it all really means. With so much going wrong, the Ukraine has been unable to secure enough natural gas or coal supplies to provide a supply cushion in case of a cold snap this winter. A few weeks of frosty weather will deplete the supply, and then pipes will freeze, rendering much of the urban areas unlivable from then on (because, recall, there is no longer any money, or any industry to speak of, to repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet.
You see, the Ukraine produces over half of its electricity using nuclear power plants. 19 nuclear reactors are in operation, with 2 more supposedly under construction. And this is in a country whose economy is in free-fall and is set to approach that of Mali or Burundi! The nuclear fuel for these reactors was being supplied by Russia. An effort to replace the Russian supplier with Westinghouse failed because of quality issues leading to an accident. What is a bankrupt Ukraine, which just stiffed Russia on billions of sovereign debt, going to do when the time comes to refuel those 19 reactors? Good question!
But an even better question is, Will they even make it that far? You see, it has become known that these nuclear installations have been skimping on preventive maintenance, due to lack of funds. Now, you are probably already aware of this, but let me spell it out just in case: a nuclear reactor is not one of those things that you run until it breaks, and then call a mechanic once it does. It's not a “if it ain't broke, I can't fix it” sort of scenario. It's more of a “you missed a tune-up so I ain't going near it” scenario. And the way to keep it from breaking is to replace all the bits that are listed on the replacement schedule no later than the dates indicated on that schedule. It's either that or the thing goes “Ka-boom!” and everyone's hair falls out.
How close is Ukraine to a major nuclear accident? Well, it turns out, very close: just recently one was narrowly avoided when some Ukro-Nazis blew up electric transmission lines supplying Crimea, triggering a blackout that lasted many days. The Russians scrambled and ran a transmission line from the Russian mainland, so now Crimea is lit up again. But while that was happening, the Southern Ukrainian, with its 4 energy blocks, lost its connection to the grid, and it was only the very swift, expert actions taken by the staff there that averted a nuclear accident.
I hope that you know this already, but, just in case, let me spell it out again. One of the worst things that can happen to a nuclear reactor is loss of electricity supply. Yes, nuclear power stations make electricity—some of the time—but they must be supplied with electricity all the time to avoid a meltdown. This is what happened at Fukushima Daiichi, which dusted the ground with radionuclides as far as Tokyo and is still leaking radioactive juice into the Pacific.
And so the nightmare scenario for the Ukraine is a simple one. Temperature drops below freezing and stays there for a couple of weeks. Coal and natural gas supplies run down; thermal power plants shut down; the electric grid fails; circulator pumps at the 19 nuclear reactors (which, by the way, probably haven't been overhauled as recently as they should have been) stop pumping; meltdown!
And so, if you want to say a prayer for the Ukraine this holiday season, don't bother because it's well and truly fucked. But do say a prayer for global warming. If this winter stays very, very warm, then the “19 Fukushimas” scenario just may be averted. This is not impossible: we've been seeing one freakishly warm winter after another, and each passing month is setting new records. The future is looking hot—as in very warm. Let us pray that it doesn't also turn out to be hot—as in radioactive.
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Ukrainian women have stuffed my mailbox with the service I am on. I mean, HOT women.
Been on the service less than 3 weeks. 500+ responses. The VAST majority - Ukrainian. One or two Russians, some Chinese - but Ukraine? Ho Li Fuc
Means they are desperate to get out of that shithole.
I'm sure everything is just fine over in the Ukraine.
For extra amusement, the Ukrainians have been trying to fit Westinghouse-designed fuel rods into old Soviet reactors, because well, fuck you Russia, fuck the EU and fuck everyone really.
If you like your jammed fuel rods, you can keep your jammed fuel rods.
Welcome to Chernobylistan.
These things might be at the top of the list of concerns in that area of geopolitics.
And these potential industrial disasters are probably one of the biggest reasons bankers are doing gods work now in trying to preserve the status quo everywhere
The Ukraine is a joke that gets funnier each time you tell it.
I'm fairly certain that turning a bread basket into a radioactive wasteland is in very poor taste, but it'll make the borderlands that defeated Napoleon and hitler both all the more effective at wrecking European armies trying to conquer Russia.
The old Soviet reactors in Ukraine are near the end of their life anyway. So the fuel issue should be only temporary until the reactors are permanently shut down.
After reading your comment about "turning a bread basket into a radioactive wasteland" I had a vision of self-toasting bread.
God bless the bankers. I'd write more but the Howdy Doody show just started on TV and I never miss it.
We Chernobyl'ed some folks.
F**king O and the neocons, Neolibs and zio-cons. Endless wars, false flag oil blowuts in the Gulf spewing Coreixt for months to poison the Gulf of Mexico, nuclear meltdowns including Fukishima which was not a normal tidalwave or meltdown, genocidal proxy wars, endless shit.
8 years of Reagan was heaven compared to this evil shit.
Even worse, the neocons, Neolibs and zio-cons are just getting started, doing Gods work (Baal, Satan etc)
Speaking of Baal. Mount Hermon in SYRIA. In the book of Enoch, Mount Hermon is the place where the watcher class of fallen angles descended to Earth. They swear upon the mountain that they would take wives among the daughters of men and take mutual imprecation for their sin (Enoch 6). The mountain or summit is referred to as Saphon in Ugaritic texts where the palace of Baal is located in a myth about Attar.
Eight years of Reagan was heaven compared to a lot of evil shit.
You were right unti the Reagan bullshit! He was the beginning of the end for the US0fArsewholes
The USA fucking one country after the other. "It's what's for breakfast!" :said John McInsane.
Ukrainian is not a "made up" language Tyler, shame on you.
What service is it? I'm asking for a friend of mine, like.
loveme.com
used it before.
The fucking morons that down voted me did not (of course) get it.
The reason I even mentioned it is the sheer number of Ukrainian women that have responded. It's 90% of the responses. 10 years ago? Not this much.
If women there are so desperate to get out, it means something.
It only goes up to 199 pounds? No thanks.
I gave you an upvotey for the useful information. For my friend.
People who didn't read your post properly may have thought it was spam.
Not spam. Not shilling for anyone.
As I said, even 5 years ago, the ratio would have been 50/50 - Russian to Ukrainian women.
Now, it's 95/5 - Ukraine.
If women want out, the place is done. Period.
Maybe the men could convert to Islam? Then Merkel would let them all in.
She is already smiling. In 2016 the Ukies will come visa-free.
The refugee wave we have now will be small shit, when 10 millions Ukies are coming. To stay.
Maybe they should declare themselves as refugees and come to the USA. To balance out the Syrians, Somalis, Cubans, etc. that keep flocking here. Call it Diversity in Refugeeism or something like that.
For some strange reason, I had thought that Iceland might have made their list. ... For a friend.
I hope you're over there stuffing their mailboxes.
I am pretty sure that the Ukrainians just need a copy of TEPCO's 'Emergency and Non-Standard Operation Procedures Manual' and everything will work out just fine.
Let's hope they've followed Tepco's genius and have buried their emergency generators underground ...in case of a flood.
Yep, unbridled genius .... those engineers that designed that place.
Fukashima was a near 100% Xerox version of plants inside the USA, don't forget (they were built by GE if memory serves). Nothing wrong with putting generators underground, just not in those near the Rim of Fire with histories of earthquakes and tsunamis. What I'm not sure of is why the non-power recirculatory cooling system defaults to having valves closed in case of power outage. That was the major error I heard with regards to Fukashima. The plant operators didn't know the valves CLOSE on power outage.
It also wasn't just the generators, the mobile generation system they had as another backup couldn't make it to the Fukashima site.
"Yep, unbridled genius .... those engineers that designed that place."
Yes, that would be GE. BTW we here in the US have 23 Fukushima style GE NPP's in operation. Here's the list.
Will Russia invade to prevent nuclear meltdown?
Russia is sworn to a strict non aggression agreement.
Well, they are the only ones nearby who can fix the stuff.
I don't see Russia going in as an invasion, the place has historically been Russia anyway. It would be like the US Army going in to New Orleans after Katrina. If there is a nuke emergency, Russia will have to go. Otherwise the radioactive crap will head over Russia.
If one goes bang its not necessarily Russia that gets it. When Chernobyl went the plume was in an ark over northern Europe all the way to Wales.
The EU will be begging the Russians to act, very quickly. But don't expect Kiev to call for help until it goes bang.
But then of course the EU will just raise the 'safe' radioactive limit and close monitoring stations, as the US may have done following FuktheUSshima.
LOL. You're a funny guy, even if a bit blue-eyed. Agreement (a piece of TP), or no Agreement...
Given the two outcomes of (a) Breaking an Agreement, (b) Exiting said Agreement unilaterally and on short notice, (c) Paratropping in to prevent melt-downs, or (d) Letting the Melt-down happen, which do You think is/are the most likely scenario(s)?
p.s. Is that you, god Q? Show me a sign. Giving me the ship back would be great at convincing me.
(B), but, performed with panache - or some sort of International approval. (UN, etc.) Another scenario to account for, perhaps, wherein timing correlates with opportunity.
OPEN thread!
And once it goes boom, Russia will have to invade to secure the power plants, leading to ww3
Too bad, it will only happen once one plant goes, giving the Russians a reason to intervene. That's polyticks for ya.
Looking at the map of the spread of fallout from the 1986 Chernobyl explosion, it is evident that the fallout plume did not immediately go East toward Russia, but first went Northwest, then Northeast into Scandinavia, then swirled around to cover most of Western Europe, including Italy, France, Great Britain and Ireland, Germany, and countries in between. Only Spain and Portugal escaped direct exposure. Belarus is reported to have received 70% of the fallout. The animated map shows the movement of the fallout from April 29 to May 9, 1986, I understand.
Chernobyl Fallout map:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4_bJT8W3Y
In other words, the Western European NATO countries took a huge part of the dump of radiative fallout from Chernobyl, Russia got less, in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. Thus, it is at least as important for the Western European/NATO countries to be prepared to step in and ensure the safe operation or shut-down of Ukraine's remaining (and increasingly risky) nuclear reactors, as it is for Russia to be ready to step in.
The instability and chaos stirred up in Ukraine by the Washington neo-cons was intended to deliver Ukraine into the NATO/Anti-Russian/Western corporate-banker exploitation camp and to expel Russia from its Crimea naval base. Ukraine's economy and political stability (such as they were) have been destroyed, with the Western Ukrainians and the Kiev government used as proxies in war against Russia which poses as a civil war between Kiev and the Eastern Ukraine Donetsk and Lugansk separatists. Russia refuses to permit Kiev to win their civil war, as that would see NATO move right up to the Ukraine/Russia border with missile and anti-missile systems. The EU is now caught up in a campaign of sanctions against Russia, which ironically is their most secure supplier of oil, natural gas, and nuclear fuel, and was the EU's fastest growing trading partner up until the Kiev coup of February 2014.
There appears to be a woeful absence of statesmanship among the leaders of the EU and the EU countries - each seems consumed with his or her petty concerns and with attempts to gain power in turf wars, rather than look to the greater benefit and security of the EU and its members. Many remain captive of the Atlanticist delusion - the idea that the road to lasting peace among the squabbling EU nations and the ultimate destiny of the EU is to remain under the leadership of the great Arsenal of Democracy - the USA - rather than adopting a more independent economic and foreign policy. The European Commission in Brussels maintains the delusion that it is entitled and destined to do God's work by taking control of all European affairs and eliminating independence among EU nations, thus ensuring conformity and peace amongst all the EU nations. Meanwhile, ironically, the US-led NATO heads in Brussels do their very best to stir up World War 3 with Russia.
At least those living in other parts of the World can take some comfort in the notion that the proxy wars that are now going on are mostly confined to Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Of course, if a full-on World War 3 nuclear war ensues, everyone everywhere on Earth can enjoy their daily dose of radiation and glow in the dark.
Cheers, and Merry Christmas.
Meh.. if good and intelligent people don't take control back from the monsters we are as good as done anyway. Nuclear winter may be better compared to long drawn out war, prison camps and slavery anyway.
I suppose being that Russia stands to be a new energy super power if the bastards can't have it no one will.
Can I have the casino owner? I have a special cage for him, it's partially underwater. Well, mostly underwater is more accurate.
Child sex traffickers and bankers first. Sheesh! Casino owners?
Even God plays dice. And takes losing poorly, evidently.
He is referring to a particular tribe member whose last name starts with "A" and is heavily involved in the Republican politics.
The Junta leaders in Kiev would have long since fell in a counter coup if not for free money being given to them from the USA's unlimited black budget money. CIA and Pentagon are given many tens of billions of dollars for off budget expenses. It is clear that the Ukrainian Army is wholly funded by American cash. Vital government functions are also paid for by American funds. As for the general governing of Ukraine, the IMF is giving loans, even though Ukraine is not credit worthy.
As long as the US funds the Junta, they should be able to hold onto power and persue the war in Donbass, also fully funded by the Washington Neo-Con team.
Ukraine is now the poorest nation in Europe surpassing poverty stricken Moldova for that honor. Ukrainians with jobs make an average pay of 180 Euros a month! Since the victory on the Maidan, around 2.5 million Ukrainian jobs have been lost. Over 1.5 million Ukrainians ran to Russia for safe haven. Another million more work in Russia and send money home. Since the heroes of Maidan, 260,000 Ukrainians have fleed to Poland and applied for Polish passorts. Another 250,000+ have fleed to Hungary, and sought Hungarian Passports. A recent Poll indicates 3,000,000 young people plan to leave Ukraine immediately next year when Visa restrictions to the EU are supposed to be dropped. The collapse of Ukrainian and Russian trade has left many Ukrainian businesses with no customers, and thus forced to close.
The EU agreement hands economic power over to the EU. All that Ukrainians have to cling to is the hope of moving to western Europe as migrants when the borders do finally come down. The trouble is, all the places Ukrainians planned to migrate to now have over 1,000,000 Muslims and Africans jammed into them and all teh social welfare money is spent on them, leaving the new wave of Ukrainian migrants, no jobs, no social welfare and no apartments available to them, the "open borders" to Muslims from across the globe must really rub the Kiev people's noses in shit! To think that Africans can move to London and get an apartment, while border guards arrest any Ukrainian trying to slip into Europe! Ha! Ha! Big joke.
I bet what will happen is they will allow Russian Utility outfits to run power to the nuke plants.
Good Post, Jack Burton.
As for the Visa restrictions being lifted, I will believe it when I see it. The USSA is trying to push part of the costs for supporting the Ukraine onto the EU, but the Europeans are broke and overloaded with Muslims so I doubt this will happen. The EU has more than enough Polish illegals to clean toilets and turn tricks.
Besides, the banksters cannot afford an exodus of prime slave material, leaving behind the old, infirm and incapable. No, Visas for the Ukies is just a lie to string along their hopes for a bit longer.
For the last several years Poroshenko and Yatsenuk have been saying that all Ukrainians will have visa-free travel to the EU “next year”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1HKUsX33U
In the above clips in Ukrainian & Russian you can see the dates 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014 ... Same promise – “next year”, no delivery.
The Kiev Occupation Government lies endlessly.
Reposting a comment from D. Orlovs blog:
It's worth mentioning here that nobody should be happy about Ukraine's coming to complete ruin, either. Like most people, I seethed at the fascist rubbish broadcast by the government popinjays and at the anti-Russian blabber from the strutting nationalists, not to mention the slick propaganda of the western-produced "I Am A Ukrainian". It is sweet indeed to see them get their comeuppance, because it would have been intolerable to see such a project succeed, and the west rewarded for its perfidy. If anyone remains who has yet to take in the lesson, beware of westerners bearing gifts.
And yet. There remain millions of Ukrainians who just bought the saccharine stories of streets paved with gold filled with happy, laughing, spending Europeans, and prosperity all around. That they did not speak up when their country attacked its own eastern regions using the state military forces - a violation of both the Ukrainian Constitution and international humanitarian law - is something they will have to live with for the years which remain to them. But the vociferous goose-steppers are a minority, and when it all falls apart, many of them will have the wherewithall to simply disappear elsewhere. Millions of bewildered Ukrainians who have lost everything, including their best friend, and earned the hatred of the eastern part of the country for at least a generation, will remain behind, too poor to do anything but dig in and endure.
Spare a moment of pity for them. It wouldn't be the first time someone came to grief from listening to a slick huckster only out for his own interests, and it probably will not be the last.
The UkroNazis have tried to establish a blockade of goods entering into Crimea from Ukraine. Unsurprisingly this amounted to a shakedown operation against the local small scale food traders. The big boys were able to bypass the blockade by establishing private coastal shipping routes.
The upside is the locals in Kherson oblast are so pissed off by the shakedown and general lawlessness of the UkroNazis, they have established their own militia outfits. When Ukraine resorts to the final onslaught against the east demanded by the UkroNazis, these miltia will probably be very effective behind the lines forces.
Another 2 years of the USSA occupation Kiev Government will likely result in a massive revolt from Odessa to Karkhiv.
Another great post Jack! The stupidity in the world is infinite.
Shades of "Gangs of New York" - the newbies work for less, "those shanty Ukies". Or they become conscripts for the European Civil War. Who's Boss Tweed then?
Wow, I never gave this a thought, until now. This is really, really bad. Will Putin invade to keep a radioactive cloud from drifting over Russia?
Dunno. But one thing I can tell you for sure is that if there is a radioactive cloud drift over Russia, Putin's one word will be 'launch'.
".... but since independence they switched to teaching in Ukrainian (a made-up language) using nonexistent textbooks. The kids have been taught a bogus history hallucinated by rabid Ukrainian nationalists."
deja vu? ive heard similar from a welfare state from the middle east
I have two surviving WWII Vets Ukrainian 2nd cousins that emigrated to USA about 35 years ago. They speak Ukrainian and Russian and the sons and daughters (all over 50 years) speak Russian and not much Ukrainian. So I don't understand what is being implied by Ukrainian is a made up language. Since Ukraine was completely or partially over run with invading Ottomans, Mongols, Poles, Swedes, Russians it is not difficult they would have a variant of Russian. Evidently it is closest to Belorussian.
From Wikipedia
"Ottomans, Mongols, Poles, Swedes, Russians"
you forgot 2.7 million jews (which now all left(nearly all)
and there is not one ukaine but two ukraines
ukrainians are a turko-slavic mixed race and yes they speak a different russian language
but even if its different, what they teach in school is made up by cia
Our Nation has had such a fine, up-standing influence on Ukraine. They are now much more exceptional, just like us. Which Country shall we improve next? I hear that the World is holding its breath until they find out who that will be. Oh, those lucky people when they are chosen !! Wih liberty and justice for all.
They just can't see beyond their stage 1. Conquer Ukraine and all will be fine. Conquer Iraq and all will be fine. Conquer Libya and all will be fine. Use moderate rebels and conquer Syria - what could possibly go wrong with putting that pipeline through. They are simpletons with two much money for their own good.
You left out Afghanistan. That's going really well too.
There was never a stage 2. The only objective was to conquer and leave behind the chaos. Look at Libya, Iraq and Syria. Once modern nations, albeit with strong tyranny in place, but at least they functioned for the average person. Now they have been bombed back into the stone age and unable to rebuild due to factional violence. But that was the intent from day one wasn't it? And while these people now forage for clean water to drink we dumb American's (speaking collectively) can't even point to them on a map. These are war crimes worthy of Nuremberg.
What is total irony is that the very tyranny we claimed we were saving the people from (and used as pretext to invade) is the kind of tyranny the Globalists intend to institute once they seize control. I'm certain Soros and Clinton, Cheney and The Bush family will all be eager to use their billions to rebuild what they destroyed / not.
Ukraine just needs to be fitted with a fleet of wind turbines. That'll solve their power problems. Surely Brussels and Germany will be eager to provide.
My old man always taught me to never quit, and go down swinging....
How do you fight neutrons and their isotope buddies?
You "Offhsore" them.
Two things:
1) Remember to Smile
http://www.infowars.com/brainwashing-campaign-radiation-doesnt-affect-people-who-are-smiling/
2) Keep Fukuppy in your heart at all times!!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/fukuppy-fukushima-industries-new-mascot-is-branding-disaster-8881883.html
You need a bunch of black hoes to distract them.
Why, you don your depleated urainium suit, of course....
No shortage of available 'Ukrainian brides'. Can't blame them.
I was gift wrapping my present for Satan and what did I discover? He moved and his address now forwards to Homeland Security.
bitchen
This article is pretty alarmist. First of all, there are diesel backup generators at all nuclear power plants to guard against the contingency of loss of offsite power for the short-term cooldown period. These were knocked out at Fukushima on account of the tsunami, but there's no reason to believe they'd be knocked out in Ukraine. Nuclear fuel doesn't lose its 'power' instantly, but output of power plants is gradually reduced as it burns up, so the decline due to lack of refuelling would be more gradual, not sudden. Maintenance, of course, is important, but calling this a "19 Fukushimas" scenario is completely over-the-top and disconnected with reality.
Most plants will only have fuel for backup generators for a week or two, or months at most. A sustained failure of Ukraine's grid could easily use that up, unless an appropriately urgent and competent response at the national level is forthcoming - and the Ukraine nation state as Orlov points out is disintegrating.
Add to Orlov's gloomy scenario the fact that Right Sector gun thugs took over control of the nuclear plants, and their publicly stated priority is extracting fuel for nuclear bombs. They are notorious for their contempt for the lives of the common people, especially those downwind from the eastern plants who are mainly Russian-speakers. And it gets even dicier.
Now add the fact that major Russian cities including Rostov on Don, population 1 million, lie downwind from the six reactors near Dniepopetrovsk. If those reactors are allowed to approach meltdown or worse, will Russia stand aside? Can they?
Right Sector, Svoboda and the rest of the neo-Nazi gangs that run Ukraine, apart from being too crazy to be genuinely intelligent, have from the beginning had as one of their goals provoking direct Russian intervention in order to get a US-Russia war going. They may be tempted to apply (to use Nixon's famous phrase) some "benign neglect".
If Orlov is on this, then Putin's people are aware of the potential danger. And if they are aware of the possibility, I suspect that they have contingency plans. I would. And I suspect they are of the variety which involves rapid military seizure of any plant that deteriorates past the point where they can comfortably sleep downwind. Chernobyl happened during Soviet/Russian control of the Ukraine. They have some of the best science and technology for control of runaway reactors on earth, and something will be deployed if the plants go critical.
The U.S. would be well advised to stay the eff out of the way at that point and let Russia clean up its own front yard.
Pitz, you are assuming there will be diesel fuel for the back up generators. Clearly you have no experience with how things really work there. The criminal elites controlling the Ukraine will steal EVERYTHING before they bail out.
LL - spot on. Folks that haven't been there can't really understand what it's like.
If Right Sector and Svoboda were running Ukraine things would be much better than they are. Those people are nationalists and would not be controlled by foreign piwerrs.
They were mostly useful in bringing down the previous government but have really been marginalized in the current political environment.
Don't get me wrong, the country would still have huge problems and be very anti Russian but there would not be the level of corruption that there is today. Of course there would not be all the funds from the outside either (independent governments do not get goodies given to them)
First of all, there are diesel backup generators at all nuclear power plants to guard against the contingency of loss of offsite power for the short-term cooldown period
Are there? Is there fuel to run those diesels, or has it been stolen or sold onto the black market? Spare parts?
Even if the reactors get properly shutdown, the much bigger problem is the spent rod containment pools.
The rods may be 'spent' but they are not 'dead' and they are stored -usually- on site in a large pool of water. Without electricity to run those circulating pumps, the pool will boil off within a few days, and the rods will really start to get hot, leading up to a catastrophic meltdown of their own.
How many months or even years worth of rods are lurking in the Ukraine, versus backup diesel supplies to run cooling pumps? How much of that diesel will disappear if there is a cold snap fuel shortage?
How conscientious are the various factions in the Ukraine about avoiding nuclear-vital infrastructure? Can they even identify nuclear-vital infrastructure when they see it?
The coup in the Ukraine was the US handing an AK to a chimpanzee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
Google "chernobyl cooling pool".
Its in the diagrams.
I just cannot find what was in it when the reactor blew.
Maybe that is the 5% of the coruim listed as "missing" from the glob that fell onto the floor of the reactor?
Its amazing how the most dangerous substances on the planet are more or less run by a bunch of lying scum homer simpsons, and we have a very scary situation going on.
It just takes one.
I'm sure your confidence is such because you are in Ukraine and have all the fueling and maintenance records for all the gensets there and non have any issues. And all the transfer switches. and switchgear. and pumps. and water treatment.
and surely nothing vital has been pilfered there...
You putz. Have you ever been around a diesel back up system before? Everyone things they are magic machines that turn on when they need to. There is a lot of maintenance and work that goes into getting them to run and keeping them running. parts, fuel, filters, etc.
What has feathers and glows in the dark?
Chicken Kiev?
What do I win?
I was gonna say 'French Tickler'. Now I'm confused.
With respect, Dmitry Orlov, the 5 stages of grief for Ukraine are totally irrelevant. Ukraine may be a deadbeat but it is America's beloved deadbeat and will march according to the prearranged drumbeat when the warmongers in Washington deem it timely.
There was no discussion of the effects on agriculture, the birth of industry, the social order and the aristocracy of Belgium before Napoleon met Wellington at Waterloo.
There they fought a decisive battle which turned the world's direction into our existence today. Such a battle will soon be joined in Donbas.
It should be clear to everyone that the battle between Wellington Putin and our own Negro Napoleon will be on the Eastern Plains of Ukraine and not in the desert of Syria.
As NATO deploys more and more men and weapons along the Russian border and the US trains and retrains and advises and readvises the Ukrainian vanguard, it is incumbent on all of us to have the requisite amount of popcorn in our larders.
Kiev will never beat Donbas aka DPR. They got kicked hard twice in major cauldrons where the Ukies were surrounded. Kiev's zio scum ran to the USA and they sued for a ceasefire because Kiev was losing badly.
DPR picked up and refurbished all the abandoned equipment and know DPR and LPR could probably beat most european armies except maybe Germany and the UK. Although, I think DPR and LPR could beat them.
Kudos also to Ukie young men conscripted by force who pretty much refused to be cannon fodder.
You will be correct if the US/NATO don't join Kiev and Russia doesn't join Donbas.
As a matter of fact Kiev won't attack unless they see NATO right behind them. It will look like a Kiev offensive, but NATO"s presence will upstage everything else.
Of course, Russia will not stand idly by as West moves in to restore Crimea.
There will be activity on the borders with Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania, but whether these states will permit NATO to launch an attack from them isn't clear.
The Gulf of Finland and the Baltic Sea will be roiling in the dernier cri of technology.
An ample supply of popcorn is indicated twice a day between meals.
NATO is in no position to attack anybody. They (as in all NATO members) are bankrupt and you are delusional...
I read what the USA government released concerning their 1959 nuke plans. I was a teenager and worked on bomb shelters in 1960/1963. I spent all these years thinking the bomb shelter owners were just people scared out of their wits and not too mentally stable. Now I find out there was ample reason for concern.
Assuming we live thru all the bullshit going on....we should be thankful. Gen. Dempsey apparently needs to be recalled to active duty. There needs to be some sanity restored before it's too late.
A CIA-Pentagon wet dream,
Ukrainian nuclear meltdowns irradiating a sizable chunk of Russia,
(with the only drawback being the collateral damage destruction to Eastern Europe,
and some radioactive dust elsewhere. Surely a small price to achieve
full-spectrum dominance, err 'freedom', full-spectrum 'freedom')
Don't nuclear power plants produce electricity, at least enough electricity to keep their own circulator pumps running?
Not always.
And unfortunately, backup diesel generators need backup diesel fuel to operate. When the diesel has disappeared because of theving government overlords or just a war in the neighborhood, then you're truly screwed.
And no, you can't just hook up to the power grid when it's been bombed out of existence by various crazies aligned with good vs. evil.
"... aligned with good vs. evil."
So it *is* a wholly owned conglomerate then
Spot on, thats what happened when Chernobyl blew, they were doing a test for what happens to the RBMK when the grid connection is lost. Granted it was complicated because the lead tester turned off ALL the safety devices, including those which should never be switched offf under any circumstances and didn't understand the characteristics of a positive void coefficcient design. Fukushima made a fundamental mistake of siting all its diesel generators in a floodable basement, but was an appallingly bad design anyway, FFS a "boiling water reactor", is about as shit and unsophisticated as they get, basically a big kettle with fuel rods in it, with a minimum scram down time of a week even with intact fuel and control rods. But as PhoQ says, whats the state of the back up generators, how much diesel is in there and how fresh is it. How reliably will they start and run. In Ukraine repairing infrastructure comes second to filling Poroshenko's pockets with pies and those of his disgusting gangster scumbag cronies.
Actually the soviets were experimenting with using the turbines to cool the reactor in case of a scram and the minute or so it takes to allow the generators to start the cooling process, something that should have been designed into the construction but seems to be left out for obvious reasons.
Actually it was letting the reactors own turbines produce enough electricity from residual spinning down in the event of a disconnection from the grid to continue the cooling. And the precautions had been built in, but the lead tester specifically turned them off, after a massive row in the control room with the operators who knew it was madness. Part of the solution was better training and understanding of the positive void coefficient, together with locked down failsafes which no one could turn off.
it was all orchestrated as part of the ongoing dismantlement of the ussr. people had to demand change from the communist party - target was achieved thanks to Chernobyl and many other instances happening at that bumpy timeframe..
No fraid thats one conspiracy theory too far, this was pure and simple an accident caused by negligence of mainly one man on a design that allowed for stupidity , the inquest was eventually completely open and transparent to international standards, nobody wanted or orchestrated this..
i respect your opinion.
Xenon poisoning isn't unique to BWR's.
People need to realize that the theiving zio con scum in Kiev steal everything. Everything in the Ykraine gets looted and stolen.
The Cameron aka Red Shield UK govt gave the Ukraine useless Saxon armored cars. They were useless junk but Kiev was already selling them before they got them. The story got out and they kept them. One of them crashed into another one on the road and killed one of the drivers.
Hey, perpeptual motion!! Why didn't we think of that?!
Under the table, digital zeros to the rescue. Works everytime. We just can't get any doom to stick around this joint while the computers are still running.
BS. Debt forgiveness worked for post-WWII Germany -- it had its debt fully wiped out and forgiven. Poland in 1990s also remained with a tiny amount of debt after its debt forgiveness, however, Poland was a communist country before that, right? Not to mention many other arangements, with Brazil, Argentina, and other countries. BUT, the key question is this: Russia signed a long term lease for its Crimea Navy base, up to 2042. Are THEY paying the rent now? What happened to the farm land, factories, business, paying the tax to Ukraine? Nothing. Ukraine lost this tax base and 2 million Ukrainians are Russians now. Do they pay THEIR portion of Ukrainian debt? Is Russia going to reimburse for it Ukraine? No. In 1992, Ukraine had 52 mil citizens. In 2013, BEWFORE the Maidan revolution, Ukraine had 42 mil citizens, 20% population lost, due to policies of the previous pro-Moscow government, and the emigration. The U.S. has nothing to do with it, and nothing with the previous several decades. That's what was the Russian Plan, the Russian Spring, that's what it is all about, from the beginning. Geotgia, Ukraine, Moldova, and so on. Keep your 5 stages for Moscow, Dmitry. ;-)
BTW, the previous pro-Moscow government sold millions of acres of the Ukrainian prime farm land to China, right? Now that's the reason why the EU and the U.S. moved in, Dmitry... to stop this insanity designed in Moscow.
As you yourself point out, jepicza, Ukraine had a population of 42 million before the Maidan "revolution". Many here call it the "Maidan coup."
Since when do 250,000 protestors get to change a government of 42,000,000?
The answer is never.
It is as kosher as the Jews pushing most of the Palestinians out of the borders of 1948 Israel/Palestine.
An outcome glorified by some, detested by most.
Ukies like Jepiczca are stupid beyond words. To them, everything wrong with their society is due to the Russians, when in fact it is the Ukie elites collaborating with the USSA who have destroyed their country. This is obvious to anyone except the knee jerk Ukie nationalists.
I was there, in 1968 --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WFVhe1Eqb4
And my parents were there, in 1939 --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSe1Yuk0jsc
And we are stupid nazis, beyond words. Right... ;-)
fyi both russia and ukraine were under direct control of the western banking cabal after 1990. in fact all the ex soviet states were under full financial, political and military control, except for russia and belarus - military men there were the only ones not subduing fully to the invaders, later taking control of the political arm of power. though financially all them are still connected to the world's fractional reserve central bank system. you are poorly educated in 1968 and you are poorly educated in 2015. do you have any children?
How many Bolsheviks were needed in St. Petersburg in 1917, to take over the entire Russian Imperium? ;-))))) Check it out in history books. ;-)
Not surprising that Ukroptsy like this guy support Bolshevism.
I can not understand negative attitude authorities of Ukraine to Stalin who in fact was behind the creation of Ukrainian state within its present borders.
The country and its neighbours must know its heroes! Let proud! It is the glory!
it seems he is chech. the only thing i can refer to that can make them proud is strong porn industry. well done.
Looks like China is really cosying up to Ukraine. Putin played. Again...
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China to Build Hongdu Light Attack Aircraft in Ukraine Next Year
Chinese Hongdu L-15 jet
When the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) collapsed in December 1991, its integrated military-industrial complex was shattered and split up among 15 newly independent countries. Ukraine received many significant assets, including top-notch fighter and aircraft plants as well as the USSR’s most advanced shipyards at Mykolaiv, where the Soviet Union’s aircraft carriers were built. Now China is seeking to begin construction of light attack aircraft at a Ukrainian defense industry facility, the first time that China has engaged a significant portion of the former Soviet military-industrial complex.
To produce the L-15 plane at Odesa’s Odesaviaremservis aviation plant, China assisted in increasing the factory’s capacity.
Another stab in the back for Putin. Fucking Chinks!
Hell will be long frozen before the Chinese will build ANY part of a plane outside their country, much less in a shithole like Ukraine. You guys must be drunk or high; most probably a combination of the two...
You say that like it is a bad thing?
Free fantasy show all the time.
Quite inspired...
How it's all connected - unknown to anyone, because that is utter nonsense.
It costs China nothing to act like it is interested in building a plane with Ukraine. It lets them pick the Ukraine brain (or what's left of it) and scout the Ukraine plain.
Maybe even get some aerodynamic ideas from the remnants of the Ukrainian aviation industry.
There's nothing that doesn't get by your pea brain.
Debt forgiveness for post war Germany?
Utter twaddlespeak?
They were still paying the WW I Treaty of Versailles reparations until 5 years ago.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/legacy-of-versailles-germany...
No worries.
Israelis, who never fought in a real war, got a lot of reparations the Germans were forced to pay for losing.
Like free subs to launch nuclear false flags with.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/nukes-the-high-seas-israels-underwat...
Sure, East Germany didn't pay anything... or did they? Do you think that the Soviet Union would pay for them their portion of the Versailles Treaty from WW I ??? Tell me when and how much. They told us that they wouldn't pay a dime. That's one of the reasons why the last payment was in 2010, I think, AFTER the Unification of Germany. Now, the WW II was another issue, and the German debt from that era, right?
Ukraine had thieving governments since the fall of the USSR. This is true for Western and Russian leaning governments.
That is also true for other former Soviet block countries.
I will not say all because I do not know that for a fact, but many were looted by their governments.
Just a few weeks ago I heard that the new nationalist Polish government is investigating the disappearance of retirement funds under the old government and promises jail time for those responsible.
Politicians stealing as much as they can is as old as politics.
Love reading Dimitry. His post on the character of the Russians predicted exactly what happened in Syria when they got in the game
Russians slow to take the saddle but ride like the wind when they do --- Bismarck
Merry Xmas to all and if you visit the priest today he will not tell you to recite the lords prayer or hail mary's.
Instead your penance will be 19 Chernobyls ...
They still have the ban on rearing sheep in the welsh hills.
Yes animal rights groups were furious about the amount of rearing the sheep were enduring at the hands of those frisky Welsh Boyos.
Homer Simpsonsky is on patrol. Nothing to worry about
"Hey guys, safeten up in there!"
I think you can defer nuclear power plant maintenance. The replacement schedule is just to make money for the dealers.
It's all over-engineered anyway...plenty of slack to let things slide a bit.
"All over engineered. ..that would include Fukushima
Really? Having diesel motors to power the plant taht sat right on the ground, while having nuclear waste sit twenty feet high, requiring water to be perpepetually pumped over them is over-engineered?
It's flaw of engineering. Assume a hundred year flood. They should have assumed a million year flood for each plant built.
The zionists need to clear Ukraine for occupation. They are tired of living in the Israeli desert.
Speaking of Fukushima... it's no accident that this hasn't been dealt with and cleaned up - Fukushima Nuclear Disaster Not Being Cleaned Up On Purpose
Its not being cleaned up because its unapproachable by man or machine.
What are you talking about?
Tens of thousands of people have worked cleaning up fukushima.
They get their limit and bail to irradiate the rest of their countrymen.
Lots of homeless, Brazilians, and others who won't be missed are the yakuzas workforce.
All controlled by israelis of course.
What one should do if his neighbors hate him to death, despite his friendly attitude? Would he lend them money knowing it will be stolen or used against him?
Don't feed the cancer I would say.
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By the way $3 bln is trifle. State VneshEkonomBank is bunkrupt and now it need 1500 bln roubles from Russian budget, because it spent all these money ($50 bln according 2012-2014 rate) for Sochi and for supporting ukraine banks and oligarhs
I do not think things are that bad, if they were, Kiev would be trying to et Russia to do the needed maintenance, and russia will also offer it, except for western reactors, but in no way would Russia let teh eastern and southern reactors go China Syndrome, they may play with kiev and the West for a while, but in the end they would go do the work before real risk is probable. Let's hope i am rightm, and Russia and Ukraine are not that stupid.
I do not think things are that bad, if they were, Kiev would be trying to et Russia to do the needed maintenance, and russia will also offer it, except for western reactors, but in no way would Russia let teh eastern and southern reactors go China Syndrome, they may play with kiev and the West for a while, but in the end they would go do the work before real risk is probable. Let's hope i am rightm, and Russia and Ukraine are not that stupid.
Zerohedge really is Putin's tool. Sad, because most of the commentary on what is wrong with the US, EU and Japan is quite right. What can I say? Troll, on, and I hope the pay is good.
PS: I live in Ukraine. It isn't getting wonderful quickly, but neither is it getting worse.
Just another ukrop trying to convince that when you're strangled by the throat, you get a massage, and a high mortality rate this massage, it is shortcomings of your system.
Exactly the same jump and believe in any nonsense.
Jumped ship and swam ? It's more like landed in a hole and proceeded to dig deeper.
Exactly.
I many have acquaintances in the Ukraine and Russia.
My Ukrainian friends are very angry and upset, watching their livelihoods destroyed while their families are forced to eat food not fit for dogs. Old people are quietly committing suicide, rather than face an ignoble death by starvation and lack of medical care. Nearly every one I know wants to leave, badly. They have had it with the corruption, endless economic misery and threats of war.
My Russian friends are also suffering (to a much lesser extent), but they understand for the most part that they are at war with the West. They also believe that despite the hard times, they have a future.
Truly I feel sorry for most Ukrainians.
" are very angry and upset, "
"old people committing suicide"
Oh boo fucking hoo about old people! All I ever hear is old people bitching!
No one does anything but bitch about letting their government fuck them with no vasaline.
What the fuck you think is going on to young children you stupid fuck!
Old people on this planet got things the way they are and are now reaping what they have sown!
And they have the chutzpah to leave out those who will most lead to the destruction of their race, culture.
Fuck old people!
I personally dream about burning you like cordwood in the camps.
How did you learn to write English like a native speaker?
Maybe he was born in California?
Notice he didn't say he was Ukraine, just lived there. One of Vicky's boys?