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France Changes Constitution To Protect "Emergency" Police Powers From Court Challenges
Back on September 11, Zero Hedge accurately predicted not only the terrorist events which unfolded in Paris on November 13, but also the resulting aftermath with uncanny accuracy.
We said that "as the need to ratchet up the fear factor grows, expect more such reports of asylum seekers who have penetrated deep inside Europe, and whose intentions are to terrorize the public. Expect a few explosions thrown in for good effect" and we added that "since everyone knows by now "not to let a crisis go to waste" the one thing Europe needs is a visceral, tangible crisis, ideally with chilling explosions and innocent casualties. We expect one will be provided on short notice."
It was provided exactly two months later. But it was the "fine print" in out forecast that was most troubling:
... the second key role of ISIS is also starting to emerge: the terrorist bogeyman that ravages Europe and scares the living daylight out of people who beg the government to implement an even more strict government apparatus in order to protect them from refugees ISIS terrorists.
... Certainly expect a version of Europe's Patriot Act to emerge over the next year, when the old continent has its own "September 11" moment, one which will provide the unelected Brussels bureaucrats with even more authoritarian power.
All of this is coming true.
First, just a few days after the November 13 terrorist attack The European Commission announced it had adopted a package of measures to strengthen control of firearms across the European Union and meant simply to make it "difficult to acquire firearms."
Second, as part of the sweeping "emergency powers" implemented by France in the aftermath of the Paris mass shootings, civil liberties were promptly trampled, giving the local authorities a carte blanche to arrest anyone with or without cause: as we said "it is sufficient is for someone, somewhere in the chain of command to suggest any one individual is a potential threat, and they will be promptly removed from society for an indefinite period of time. As such, French "civil rights" have completed a full cricle and are now back to the infamous "Law of Suspects" drafted originally by Maximilien Robespierre during the French Revolution."
Then, a few days later, Europe which clearly wasn't letting this crisis go to waste, and certainly wasn't wasting time, decided to quickly seize state border sovereignty by forcing EU members to submit to a Brussels-controlled standing border force, one which would act even if a government objects. As the FT said, "the move would arguably represent the biggest transfer of sovereignty since the creation of the single currency."
And now, in the latest incursion of personal liberty and privacy, the Socialist government of President François Hollande has proposed to amend the French constitution to allow authorities to strip some natural-born citizens of their nationality if they are convicted of terrorism, the WSJ reports.
And the punchline is that just as expected, Europe's Patriot Act has finally taken shape: according to a proposed amendment, the French state-of-emergency police powers, such as to conduct warrantless searches and order house arrests, will be unconditionally shieleded from court challenges.
In other words, a handful of government bureaucrats will soon be above any and all legal "checks and balances", and will be provided absolute power to decide the fate of virtually any French citizen without due or any process. This is precisely what took place for decades in the Soviet Union, and why the west was so proud to provide its own citizens with those core civil rights which the soviets never enjoyed. And now it is the turn of the "democratic" western powers to unleash their own mini USSR on their citizens. You know, in the name of "preventing terrorism."
Some in France are appaled by this blatant trampling of the most basic of human rights:
“Stripping citizenship from people born French—who have belonged to the national community since their birth—raises a substantial problem on a fundamental principle: the right of soil,” Justice Minister Christiane Taubira told a radio station in Algeria.
On Wednesday, the government said its proposal to strip convicted terrorists of their French nationality would apply only to people with dual citizenship. Still, many French Muslims are also citizens of Algeria, Morocco and other North African countries.
“We are creating two categories of citizens in our constitution,” said Patrick Weil, a prominent French historian and political scientist, warning the new amendment threatened “social cohesion.”
No worries there: just look at the US which is nearly 15 years ahead of France - after adoping the Patriot Act, there has been no problems with "social cohesion" under Obama. Of course, one should probably exclude the now daily mass shootings, the record gun ownership, and the unprecedented polarization of society along race, gender, wealth, and ideology for that statement to be even remotely true.
The WSJ adds that the changes, which parliament is expected to approve next year, are a measure of how the French state is adapting to the threat posed by Islamic State and other extremist groups. With a solid dose of sarcasm it also adds that the French state was founded on the ideals of liberty, equality and fraternity.
The time has come to quickly and quietly sweep all those ideals under the rug.
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As I have said before, the world has been under communist domination since the end of WW2. The communsits won, anything now is a partisan resistance.
The UN is the political council. The council that makes all the final decisions is the tribe. The US was on the wrong side during that war.
you must be still sitting in a place like Alcatraz serving out a life sentence and talking to the birds.
Since you got jailed they took out the commies back in 1989 and for your info Russia has a CZAR and China has the most Capitalists in the world.
Only Cuba and Venezuela have commies and they are not running even their own economies, let alone their toilets without toilet paper.
The UN is run by WORLD CAPITALISM...ya know the guys who OWN WS...But keep playing with those birds.
you're trying to argue with a 'bot man. Most of those "people" who are babbling about "world communism" and such BS are not even human, man. Let me clue you in, these are semi intelligent AI's that have been written to spew random ridicilous garbage about "Communism", "Obama a Communist" and let loose on the net. Im begining to suspect at least 50% of comments written on boards are by them.
who votes them up?
Other bots?
If so, Man, ZH is just full of them.
So I guess the terrorists won in France as well as America, no?
It is the Kleptocrat Facists that are imbedded and using the terrorism they stirred up or hoaxed upon us to achieve their goal of domination.
Yeah that's it. I'm a bot, because I don't bow down to the victim status identity of non-whites that is supposed to be conditioned into me like the rest of you indoctrinated clowns.
Everyone around me is preaching how evil capitalism is because they are nice and gentle capitalists... It has nothing to do with the Marxist crap being pushed in the educational system, nope nothing at all.
We are all equal and there are no differences other than that evil religion.... So says the educational system who follows the guidelines of approved material laid out by UNESCO and the CFR.
Fascists don't use terror. They use armies. Communists use terror and intimidate to enslave people to prop up the councils.
Fascism is code for whites wanting to run their own countries.
Forget what you think you know. This has been brewing for a while, it is not the freaking communists but the those Ashkenazi pieces of excrement. Both Fascists and Bolshevik Jews (Ashkenazi crap) use armies and terror. The Ashkenazi also root down liberal crap, like in the education system.
you stole my old myspace handle.... nah i kid, but i did have the screen name at one point... great minds thing or lowest common denomanator... either way works
Fraternity, Equality, Bullshit
"Fascists don't use terror" what in the fuck was operation gladio in Italy then? How about Franco in Spain??
You sure are jumping the shark these days NID. When I first came on I clued in to your comments because you are flying the yellow and black.
Now I think you are statist.
what has terrorism got to do with bots?
Bots are AI robots or like drones on the Net. Programmed.
The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, correct? Hmmm...
As a visible gift of understanding maybe the EU should give the Caliphate as Statue of Moses.
And Baby Jesus. And just to make sure the Latinos don't feel ostracized or discriminated against, a statue of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Krugman would be Proud of the Illegal Immigrant Employment Program thereby Created.
They aren't Latinos.
Yep the work of Gistave Eiffel a Freemason, designed by Frederic Auguste Bartholdi also a Freemason.
"m begining to suspect at least 50% of comments written on boards are by them."
Oy vey and they are antisemetic as well!
Only partly correct. They are anti what ever group is the latest useful target for the chaos. This is merely to thwart brotherhood and knowledge based understanding which is anti New World Order fear based domination. With out division and rage there can be no conquering.
You must be incapable of looking beyond labels.
Just because they don't call themselves "commies" anymore doesn't mean they don't exist and aren't still pushing for the same agenda, and are now moving to put the final pieces for it in place.
The Communist leadership was just a flavor of State control of the masses.
No, it was a blueprint for world government and world domination.
you must be incapable of understanding words.
So Kings were the FIRST communists, according to you : Statist Absolutism since the Pharoahs.
If fact Jesus was the first communist as the word "commune" implies. A commune under divine word; all equal.
The world is the commune you small minded peasant. The councils that run the world come out of the UN. Not a single president since the 1950's has not been a CFR approved candidate. The US government is a proxy for the UN.
Jesus never said they were all equal. He said they were all equal in the eyes of the lord, not equal with each other. The lord being the creator, it was up to us to solve the issue of who should be in charge. A damn Hindu trying to tell us about what our own books say. That is amusing.
The CFR predated the UN, it was because of the CFR that the Us never joined the League of Nations, and it was also instrumental in the creation of the UN. The CFR has always had a non secret socialist and internationalist agenda.
Well if they were equal in the eyes of the Lord why does a bot like you call a Hindu a shit head 'cos you happen to fart christian farts of hate?
Your twisted logic is more unchristian and ungodlike than any thing a Hindu can do except when he matches your fucking twisted logic by saying "caste systems" are here forever.
Then Hindu jackass meets Christian jackass. I suggest you go back to Alcatraz where jackassery is your inalienable right.
You really are fucking clueless.
Where did I put kings in the picture? (feudal? tribal? barbarian?)
How about you look at the here and now and ask yourself how much the USSA is communist/socialist/totalitarian already.
(For the small minded: communism is a sub-species of socialism, which is a sub-species of totalitarism - if we try to get the main drift and not start splitting hairs.)
...Just because they don't call themselves "commies" anymore doesn't mean they don't exist and aren't still pushing for the same agenda...
This is what Kings of all times have done, empire building in name of "to the victors the spoils"...But they weren't Commies...they were despots.
You bend reality to fit your "commie" universal theory like as if Lenin invented EVIL.
Just like Saint Augustine turned the Christian faith on its head by saying : Just wars do exist in name of Saviour! And that later led to the Soldier-Monk; who was soldier on the odd days, monk on the even and Bankster on the week-ends. Until he of the Templar cabal lost the Holy Land and got burned for being "too rich and corrupt" & a failure, by his bosses : King & Pope!
Totalitarianism includes Capitalism as well. So you are chasing your tail like Haley's comet! And today American Capitalism is like a phucked up dish of stale toxic soup.
Nothing to do with Commie rants.
So then according to your "logic" the only thing that isn't included in totalitarism is... (well even most extreme indvidualism wouldn't fit the bill)... so only pure anarchy?
Well then enjoy your totalitarism!
If those who routinely blame "communism" or "socialism" have an organic brain, it nevertheless operates in an apparently robotic fashion. Moreover, in my opinion, those who use the magic phrases of "libertainism" or "capitalism," etc., are similarly operating in ways which are enabling them to deliberately ignore the most important social facts, namely that civilization necessarily operates according to the principles and methods of organized crime, WHICH HAS PRIMARILY BECOME BANKSTER CONTROLLED GOVERNMENTS ENFORCING FRAUDS.
Political discourses have primarily been developed by professional hypocrites. One will generally discover, after deeper analysis, that the dictionary definitions of various political labels and terms have almost nothing in common with the actual social facts. For all practical purposes, that means that whether or not there are organic or inorganic brains behind various comments posted in the MUD of the Internet, the result is similarly robotic, and so, apparently without conscious meaning.
Those who pay better attention to the developing patterns of social facts are able to understand the meanings better, and thus, write more prophetic articles, such as the series of Zero Hedge articles which culminated in predicting the social facts outlined in the article above. The European Union is another increasingly bankster controlled government, which is deliberately developing its abilities to operate as runaway triumphant organized crime, to capture more and more control over everyone. While it is difficult to say for sure in every particular case, there is a high probability that some of the crucial "terrorist" events, that became the "crises to take advantage of to change the laws," were some kinds of false flag attacks, covertly caused or enabled to happen by those members of the ruling classes who wanted those excuses to consolidate their control over everyone else.
However, in my view, the great tragedy for the human species is that the excessive successfulness of controlling civilization through the application of such methods by the ruling classes, in order to control those they rule over, has resulted in civilization as whole becoming more criminally insane and psychotically detached from relatively more objective realities, as demonstrated by the degree to which all political discussions tend to be dominated by various sorts of professional hypocrites, who routinely use political phrases and terms in ways whereby their dictionary definitions, versus the actual social facts, are almost completely contradictory.
The only political processes that actually exist are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of more or less organized lies operating robberies. The ruling classes have been excessively successful in dominating the language that people use to discuss those processes. Governments are necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, and similarly so, governments are the most extreme terrorists.
The article above pointed that out in this way:
The degree to which citizens did not understand, because they had been conditioned to not want to understand, that governments were necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, has more and more manifested as those citizens becoming incompetent political idiots, due to the long history whereby the ruling classes have persistently waged war against the consciousness of those they ruled over, resulting in the development of a more and more oxymoronic scientific dictatorship.
Hence, the language that dominates all public political debates is actually the language originally developed and promoted as the biggest bullies' bullshit. All of the standard language that is used to discuss political processes has been deliberately driven to become almost totally bullshit. Generally speaking, the dictionary definitions of the commonly used terms have no meaningful relationship with the actual facts. Furthermore, that was not an accident or a mistake, but rather, part and parcel of the ways that real political processes necessarily operate through the principles and methods of organized crime.
Bravo, Radical Marijuana! +1000
Power is organised crime : "To the victors the spoils". The winners write History and the new LAWS.
The Enlightenment changed that perception after the French Revolution. But did not change the way State worked to replace divine right king.
It still stayed "to the victors the spoils". What you call "crime" is just an expression of war and the ever recurrent "zero sum game"; like Greece & Troy. Its a crime as per the written word which is now deemed in "exceptional circumstances of war on state" as being "obsolete" ; aka in cases which put at risk those in power. Unfortunately the whole power spectrum of a "nominal" democracy bows to it in an Imperial minded construct.
So crime is not how the elected see it; for them its "reasons of State!" Period. Laws are made by them and "a piece of paper" can always be changed, temporarily, (that notion is relative to what "temp" means) : until new modes of power are born.
But Man has not come out of the "Power is all" mantra.
Pax AMericana is as corrupt as all the others before it.
So says the dirty Indian who bathes in fecal matter.
I agree, falak pema. Indeed, your points emphasize mine, namely that there is NO good language, which is generally understood, that is available to communicate better mental models regarding political processes.
We are collectively drowning in BULLSHIT, whereby the biggest and best organized gangs of criminals have been able to promote the dominate languages and ways of thinking based upon the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals. Hence, the apparent absurdities that some are called "Freedom Fighters," while others are called "Terrorists." Yet, they are both basically doing the same things.
As you wrote:
From the point of view of regarding human beings as energy systems, the only connections between natural laws and human laws are the abilities to back up lies with violence. Hence, the development of integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which, I REPEAT, have primarily developed through the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS.
What is happening in the European Union is MOAR of the same old basic social systems of DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS. However, what is relatively new are the ways that the old systems of paper frauds backed by gunpowder weapons have relatively recently and rapidly become electronic frauds backed by atomic bombs. Given that those technologies have become literally trillions of times more capable and powerful than anything that ever existed before in human history, social systems run by professional hypocrites, based on being able to back up lies with violence, have become trillions of times more criminally insane than human civilization ever previously was during human history.
What I continue to emphasize is that the prodigious progress in physical sciences was primarily achieved by going through series of profound paradigm shifts, the crucial theme of which was to change from presuming there were fundamental dichotomies, to better understanding that there were unitary mechanisms which appeared to manifest as those dualities. (I.e., light as electromagnetic energy, and heat as kinetic energy, etc. ...) Similarly progress in political science should go through intellectual scientific revolutions, whose profound paradigm shifts would enable better understanding of human beings and civilization as manifestations of general energy systems. HOWEVER, at the present time almost all of the language that is used to think about and communicate with regarding political processes continues being based upon presuming the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies.
While the only connections between human laws and natural laws are abilities to back up lies with violence, the language that dominates all of the public spaces regarding that is the language that was promoted due to the social situations depending upon how and why: "The winners write History and the new LAWS."
I REPEAT that the ruling classes have waged war against the consciousness of those they ruled over for thousands of years. There were many phases or episodes through which that was done. Two recent examples were the "War on Drugs" which segued into the "War on Terror." Both were wars based on deceits, whose common theme is that they actually advanced the agenda of those who benefit from the debt slavery systems.
HOWEVER, by and large, the vast majority of people have been so totally brainwashed to believe in bullshit that they want to continue to believe in that bullshit. Therefore, it seems politically impossible for enough of the citizens in enough of the countries to suffer through sufficient cognitive dissonance in order to go through the paradigm shifts which would be necessary in order for enough of those citizens to comprehend enough that they are actually members of an organized crime gang, which is being controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
Tragically, the "War on Terror" has become many orders of magnitude worse than the "War on Drugs." Meanwhile, the vast majority of people appear unable and unwilling to recognize the degree to which those were merely more episodic phases of the overall war on consciousness, which has had its deepest penetrations into the dominate natural languages and philosophy of science, such that most citizens are acting like incompetent political idiots. They are so deeply stuck into the deepening ruts of thinking using false fundamental dichotomies, in ways which they almost totally take for granted, that they can barely begin to recognize that the ruling classes rule by being the best organized gangs of criminals, which operate governments as the biggest forms of organized crime.
Both the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terror" were deliberately designed and started by the ruling classes, in order to advance their overall agenda to control and exploit those that they ruled over. Just as the "War on Drugs" became a self-fulfilling prophesy, that created the conditions it was supposed to prevent, so too the "War on Terror" was another trick by the ruling classes to drive the development of social situations wherein that self-fulfilling prophesy could enable the ruling classes to consolidate their systems of social controls, by wiping out the civil rights that have been previously fought for and won.
Generally speaking, I find that there is almost nothing but a core of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups. The members of those various controlled opposition groups manifest what Cognitive Dissonance previously stated on Zero Hedge, namely that: "The absolute best controlled opposition is one that doesn't know they are controlled."
In the more mainstream media, there is almost no recognition whatsoever of the central social facts that there are actually bankster controlled governments enforcing frauds, which are symbolic robberies of the many by the few. However, in the better alternative news Web sites, like Zero Hedge, while there is much more recognition of those social facts, that the biggest gangsters are the banksters, there continues to be almost nothing promoted after recognizing those facts but more bogus "solutions" based on the same old-fashioned bullshit of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals.
BECAUSE
"The winners write History and the new LAWS."
AND
"The absolute best controlled opposition is one that doesn't know they are controlled."
The language that is typically used to discuss political problems is almost totally BULLSHIT. Indeed, that has become so extremely serious that the combinations of prodigious progress in physical science, being channeled through an oxymoronic scientific dictatorship, has longer term consequences which could quite probably result in the collective suicide of that technologically based civilization, and possibly the self-extinction of the human species.
Civilization is controlled by being able to back up lies with violence, while the technologies which can do that have become trillions of times more capable and powerful. YET POLITICS CONTINUES TO DROWN DEEPER AND DEEPER IN THE BULLSHIT PROMOTED BY PROFESSIONAL HYPOCRITES, THAT HAVE DEVELOPED TO BECOME PERSONALLY SUCCESSFUL INSIDE SOCIAL SYSTEMS BASED ON ENFORCING FRAUDS, DESPITE THAT BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE FRAUDS NEVER STOPS THOSE FRAUDS FROM STILL BEING FALSE.
Tragically, the short to medium term social successfulness of the ruling classes promoting the "War on Terror," as a self-fulfilling prophesy, is threatening to go out of control. Indeed, it perhaps already has! Those who destroy the rule of law are feeding a monster that could eventually destroy them.
Recall that I quoted the article above:
And recall that the reign of terror driven by Robespierre did not wind down until after it was Robespierre himself that had his head cut off by the guillotine.
Today, we are facing social situations that are many orders of magnitude worse than those before, during and after that French Revolution ...
mght does not make right, but it sure does make the rules
I absolutely deny the proposition that civilization must necessarily operate according to criminal principles.
We allow it because we do not hold ourselves to high enough standards, we permit lies in our viscinity without negative comment.
When we are ready to do that, we can raise our civilization's level again. Positive-sum games produce civilization, and those require honesty. A major reason our system is hurting just now is that complexity requires honest people and cannot be driven by fear, operated by fearful people.
Animals are deceptive, it's a survival thing. Humans are animals.
Nearly everything you see around you is based on deception. If most aren't experiencing a hoodwinking from others they're hoodwinking themselves.
"Positive-sum games produce civilization, and those require honesty"
Please support that assertion using something that contains some sort of depth (rather than sounding link a marketing phrase).
I side with Derrick Jensen's definition of "civilization," which is presented here (http://www.derrickjensen.org/work/miscellaneous/endgame-excerpt-civiliza...):
Civilization is therefore about growth, PERPETUAL growth. That is NOT possible on a finite planet. It's a Ponzi, and it's the carrot that the banking/economic system uses, it's the premise that is never allowed to be challenged.
When resources are tight the notion of "honesty" utterly fails/collapses.
ALL wars are about resources, resources to keep growth going. If there are ample resources then "peace" tends to be the oder of the day. It's quite easy to be "honest" when you have a full belly; and wars are just things that you read about.
For anyone else that would like to be "enlightened" as to reality I offer this read from Sir John Glubb:
http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
Glubb describes very well the rise and fall of empires (stating that ALL empires collapse). He noted that it didn't matter what leadership or system of rule was utilized. Unfortunately, he missed the fact that the underlying current of perpetual growth is what condemned all; through his accountings you can see that wars are pushed in order to obtain more inputs for growth, with the costs of war always increasing (as the fields of conquest got further and further out).
So, reading Glubb's collection of empire crashes and Jensen's definition of "civilization" I'd have to say that "civilization" may not be the great/"honest" thing that you believe it to be: if we are no more than engaging in mass deception vis a vis perpetual growth then "civilization" is anything but "honest."
Thanks for that reply, Seer!
My response to Demdere's:
The degree to which civilization necessarily operates according to criminal principles is directly related to the degree to which human beings perceive and define themselves as separate from their environment and each other.
To put it more philosophically, the fundamental concept is SUBTRACTION. As soon as we perceive and define human beings as subtracted from their environment, then they necessarily become entropic pumps of environmental energy flows. They must take energy across their defined boundaries, in order to continue to live, and that taking is basically robbery. Since human beings require the same air, water and food in order to live, and since human beings have the potential to reproduce at an exponential rate, there develop conflicts, which amount to different groups of human beings living as gangs of robbers in conflict with each other.
By and large, most people think about that in ways which try to both eat their cake, and have it too, in the sense of being able to use language that perceives and defines things, such as human beings, and yet, then shift gears to somewhat speak about the infinite energy which flows through those things. Usually, people do not pay attention to when they are shifting gears between talking about finite things, to talking about infinity.
Again, there is almost no good language to use with respect to political problems. It is way too facile for someone like Demdere to condemn the ways that "we permit lies in our vicinity without negative comment." However, he is thereby not paying enough attention to the history of warfare. Furthermore, he is not facing the facts that fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems already so totally dominate the globalized political economy that virtually nobody can really live outside of those systems of ENFORCED FRAUDS. Anyone using American Dollars, or Euros, etc., is operating through systems that are based upon ENFORCED FRAUDS. Those who may well have negative comments upon those social facts are still STUCK INSIDE THEM!
The single simplest symbol and most extreme particular example of the ways that civilization is based upon legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, were the ways that criminalizing cannabis transformed hemp, the single best plant on the planet for people, for food, fiber, fun and medicine, into becoming "marijuana," which was treated as being "almost as bad as murder." For decade after decade, anyone whose response to that pot prohibition was based upon attempting to "hold ourselves to high enough standards," and therefore, made substantial "negative comment" regarding how pot prohibition was based on the huge lies, known as reefer madness, could end up in jail.
Demdere's views run into deep dilemmas after recognizing the degree to which we were born into entrenched systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. Philosophically speaking, natural selection pressures were internalized as human intelligence, which was applied to the most important selection pressures, which were other groups of human beings. Therefore, the history of successful warfare based upon backing up deceits with destruction, that morphed to become successful finance based upon enforcing frauds. In other words, artificial selection systems were driven by natural selection pressures to become based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which are the social facts that actually, overwhelmingly exist now, especially with respect to the runaway "War on Terror."
WE WERE BORN INTO THAT HISTORICAL CONTINUUM. FOR OUR WHOLE LIVES WE WERE LIVING INSIDE OF THAT, WHILE ONLY BIT BY BIT, PERHAPS, GRADUALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT BETTER ... YET, INITIALLY, UNDERSTANDING THE DEGREE TO WHICH OUR LIVES ARE CONTROLLED BY INTEGRATED SYSTEMS OF LEGALIZED LIES, BACKED BY LEGALIZED VIOLENCE, CHANGES NOTHING REGARDING THOSE STILL BEING THE ACTUAL SOCIAL FACTS!
Meanwhile, Demdere continues to way too much take for granted that there is some fundamental dichotomy between "lying" versus "honesty." On the contrary, human beings, when perceived and defined as finite life forms, must operate through systems of more or less organized lies. It is NOT possible for any human beings to know "The Truth" in any ways that can be expressed in finite forms that are both consistent and complete. Human beings develop mental models of their world, with mental models of themselves within those models of their world. Those mental models can never be anything more than merely models. IF those models are totally "True" then they become the thing that they are modeling. (While asymptotically approaching such transcendental enlightenment can be an intense personal experience, there are still no ways to express that as perfect "Truth" in any finite form.)
That relates to the original SUBTRACTION. If we do not perceive and define human beings as separate from their environment and each other, then we can not tell any stories about them, nor base our behavior upon those stories. As soon as anyone behaves like human beings, that do perceive themselves as relatively separate from their environment and each other, then they are simultaneously stuck with that perceptive definition coming as a package deal with ROBBERY. The more that such relative separations are insisted upon as being absolute, then the worse that robbery therefore becomes.
The history of civilization has been driven by the history of warfare. The oldest book on The Art of War starts by saying that "success in war is based upon deceits," and ends by saying that "spies are the most important soldiers." That history of warfare applies to class warfare just as much as to warfare between different societies. The "War on Terror" has primarily been initially driven by covert class warfare, with the ruling classes following those principles of deceitful spies and treacheries, in order to create the "War on Terror" as a self-fulfilling prophesy, and then take advantage of that to ratchet up their abilities to control those they rule over (which is what the article above was about.)
Collectively, we are being screwed worse and WORSE! Indeed, for the reasons I have previously outlined, we are currently being screwed by technologies which are trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history. In that context, continuing to rely upon the old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, as Demdere still does, is a dead end. The only ways to perhaps cope with globalized systems of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, are to change the ways that we think about politics as much as the ways that physical science changed the ways that we think about time and space, such as what happened through the development of quantum mechanics, and the special theory of relativity.
Demdere wants to continue to believe in political opinions that make no efforts whatsoever to appreciate the development of thermodynamics and then information theory, much less go through more profound paradigms shifts regarding those developments in the future. However, theoretically speaking, that is becoming more and more imperative, since it only looks like a question of time until some future "terrorist" events, whether false flag or not, deploy some weapons of mass destruction, which can only be made due to the prodigious progress in physical science that enabled those weapons of mass destruction to be constructed. Hence, the runaway intense paradoxes that greater understanding of the natural world, channeled through sociopolitical systems based on being able to back up lies with violence, threatens to go utterly out of control, including out of control of the ruling classes that originally made and maintained those weapons of mass destruction.
If, or when, that happens, our civil rights will likely almost totally disappear. Indeed, preparing for those scenarios is mainly what the ruling classes have actually been doing! Of course, that means that those ruling classes are becoming increasingly psychotic psychopaths, however, merely recognizing that does practically nothing to stop that happening. As I often say, one does not have to believe in the bullies' bullshit, but one still has to face the facts that they are able to be bullies.
Demdere can easily recommend not being afraid, but rather, being brave. However, when one is being beaten up in various ways, from unemployment to imprisonment, it gets harder and harder to not feel afraid. Sure, one can try to remember that one IS the whole ocean of energy, rather than a transitory whirlpool in that ocean. However, that becomes more and more difficult the more torturous the actual experiences of any one whirlpool may become!
Ashkhenazi Bolsheviks.
Irrespective of what ideology you wish to put forth, or not put forth, they will ALL suffer from collapse. Simple reason is that everything is predicated on a Ponzi: perpetual growth on a finite planet.
"Go forth and multiply." Would have been nice to have had instruction in math, on the exponential function!
funny how before ww2 europe was protestant and afterwards, it was catholic once again... connect that to jesuits and their liberation theology and you will see who is the driving force behind communism (humanism)
I guess they never had any rights to begin with........
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité. Is what they USED to have.
Que the bloggers who are big on "Rolling the Guillotines", aka "Le Rasoir National".
Time to set "Le Resoir National" to the "Super-close Shave" mode.
Bring out the Banksters, Media Presstitutes, and Ploticians. Line 'em up.
Let the Muslims stream in and build the police state.
LaGarde and the IMF and Banksters happy for sure.
Bidet Time
Burnt French fries. All of them. It might be a good location for some Freedom Fighter to drop in and help the righteous folks stabilize the jews and christians.
You know, help them adjust to Sharia law.
i see at least two people asking for eternal damnation...
Everyone except "Just Us" are assumed to be an enemy of "their" state until temporarily proven otherwise.
Only servants permitted.
François Hollande must be dreaming of becoming Guy Mollet and finding himself waking up in a sweat with "Algerie Française" type psychodrama now in the suburbs... In fact its safer to be in Algiers today than in Paris, in his worst nightmares.
WHen the Battle of Algiers --as filmed by Pontecorvo-- comes to PAris is when he wakes up from his nightmare covered in sweat...
Can dreams be a premonition of history repeating?
Well he certainly is now preparing for it in his legislature.
If you can take away citizenship, then it’s over. You become a nonentity in the world; no place to stand, no place to speak, to place to eat or live.
For example, St. Paul, as a Roman citizen, was guaranteed a Roman trial. And had the Roman government adopted the French “emergency” amendment to its constitution, then St. Paul could have been declared a nonentity, stripped of any rights, and eliminated.
These aren’t emergency measures, they are permanent and everybody knows it.
No new tax is a one-time tax.
No new law is a one-time law.
No new king is a one-time king.
No new things under the sun.
"You become a nonentity in the world;"
Stripping of French citizenship would only apply to people with double nationality (or triple and more, I guess).
I believe nation states have agreed not to make people stateless.
Harder to tax stateless people; they need that "ownership".
that is one way of looking at it
If only it were actually as simple as in the UNHCR or Wikepedia summaries... There are very important reasons I repeatedly write here that people need TO READ THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS (whether an investment prospectus, account disclosure, law, treaty, or the canon of western civilization).
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/4a2535c3d.html
Declarations and Reservations
(Unless otherwise indicated, the declarations and reservations were made upon ratification, accession or succession.)
https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=V-4&c...
France
At the time of signature of this Convention, the Government of the French Republic declares that it reserves the right to exercise the power available to it under article 8 (3) on the terms laid down in that paragraph, when it deposits the instrument of ratification of the Convention.
The Government of the French Republic also declares, in accordance with article 17 of the Convention, that it makes a reservation in respect of article 11, and that article 11 will not apply so far as the French Republic is concerned.
The Government of the French Republic further declares, with respect to article 14 of the Convention, that in accordance with article 17 it accepts the jurisdiction of the Court only in relation to States Parties to this Convention which shall also have accepted its jurisdiction subject to the same reservations; it also declares that article 14 will not apply when there exists between the French Republic and another party to this Convention an earlier treaty providing another method for the settlement of disputes between the two States.
Treaty Text
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%20989/v989.pdf
Article 8.
1. A Contracting State shall not deprive a person of its nationality if such deprivation would render him stateless.
2. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph I of this article, a person may be deprived of the nationality of a Contracting State:
(a) in the circumstances in which, under paragraphs 4 and 5 of article 7, it is permissible that a person should lose his nationality;
(b) where the nationality has been obtained by misrepresentation or fraud.
3. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph I of this article, a Contracting State may retain the right to deprive a person of his nationality, if at the time of signature, ratification or accession it specifies its retention of such right on one or more of the following grounds, being grounds existing in its national law at that time:
(a) that, inconsistently with his duty of loyalty to the Contracting State, the person
(i) has, in disregard of an express prohibition by the Contracting State rendered or continued to render services to, or received or continued to receive emoluments from, another State, or
(ii) has conducted himself in a manner seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the State;
(b) that the person has taken an oath, or made a formal declaration, of allegiance to another State, or given definite evidence of his determination to repudiate his allegiance to the Contracting State.
4. A Contracting State shall not exercise a power of deprivation permitted by paragraphs 2 or 3 of this article except in accordance with law, which shall provide for the person concerned the right to a fair hearing by a court or other independent body
Article 11. The Contracting States shall promote the establishment within the framework of the United Nations, as soon as may be after the deposit of the sixth instrument of ratification or accession, of a body to which a person claiming the benefit of this Convention may apply for the examination of his claim and for assistance in presenting it to the appropriate authority.
Article 14. Any dispute between Contracting States concerning the interpretation or application of this Convention which cannot be settled by other means shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any one of the parties to the dispute.
Article 17.
1. At the time of signature, ratification or accession any State may make a reservation in respect of articles 11, 14 or 15.
2. No other reservations to this Convention shall be admissible.
Yes, from the treaty articles you give it seems France kept a large opening to reserve itself the right to deprive people of their citizenship. I did not know that. Thanks.
From what I gathered from france24 (yes, not an original text, I know), currently, at the national level, Hollande plans a the procedure of stripping of citizenship of 'binationaux', including those born in France, convicted of (amongst other ?) terroristic acts.
The elephant in the room seems to me: why allow multiple nationalities as a definitive status in the first place? (I think I have some idea of how the world works and of the possible purpose of a double nationality. The question is rather philosophical: can you reasonably defend multiple nationalities ?). My guess is that this heated debate serves in part to deflect from this (in addition to reigning in Front National).
I trust to French parliament to SCREW THINGS UP even more than the US Congress. They are planning to meet in a joint session at Versailles so they can eliminate the need for approval of an amendment by referendum and pass it with a simple 60% vote. The fascist emergency powers act passed 887-6 and was conveniently deemed to not require Constitutional Review.
The actual text of amendment will be critical, because if only says that government has the right to strip citizenship, or even if they couch it with colorful language about "human rights" or "treaty obligations" which they did in the press conference, it will be an absolute right, irrespective of dual citizenship.
The notion of restricting Judicial Review is even more ludicrous. Without Judicial Review there is no Rule of Law. Furthermore, it makes a mockery of Articles 2 & 3 of the French Constitution, since the the Judiciary is the People's branch and the check against the monarchy (Executive) and aristocracy (Legislative) under the division of powers dating back to at least Montesquieu.
Edit: Evidently the croissant munching asswipes at France24 just read the UN summary of the treaty and did not read the actual treaty text and official Declarations & Reservations filed by their own government. FUCKING SLACKER SOCIALISTS.
I can not give you a meaningful reply. Your idea of throwing out all legislation and starting anew is my only hope of understanding law. :-)
I have wondered whether I should ascribe to arrogance or to supreme humour the conception of the "universal human rights". Decided by a small group of people, at a certain time, in certain locations... and to apply universally, to everybody, everywhere and forever ??
Btw, do you know why there is a sphinx above the door of the Conseil Constitutionnel ?
I have no idea why there is a spinx there. The sphinx in Egypt, however, led to an arbitration opinion on jurisdiction in 1988 that determined that the unilateral actions of a State can constitute a consent to private arbitration... to be decided by a small group of people, at a certain time, in a certain location... and to apply specifically to the claimant and respondent paying for the arbitration. However, because in developed countries the law is already too complex for any single individual to fully comprehend, only corporations have the financial resources to hire the army of specialized litigators and arbitrators to enforce their universal rights everywhere. On a practical level, it is an inherently unjust system that increasingly favors those with means over those without.
which country's legal system do you admire most ?
What is the threshhold where expulsion itself becomes a threat to the existence of the state? If you kick too many people out, the state dies. We already see this happening where hundreds of millions of people are de facto living on the very fringe of the state's currency system, jobless and scraping by. These people are finding new ways to live without state sanction and will soon be a new threat because of their freedom from state compulsion (slavery).
The threat of removing citizenship is supposed to create a chilling effect on the cattle that remain in the pen. There will be examples made, but the threat is most effective when the tool is not actually used. Instead, people will be piecemeal made into pseudo-citizens, believing they have rights granted at the whim of the state, but actually existing in a perpetual miasma of quasi-citizenship.
This is the sort of half-assed shit that these unimaginative morons come up with. When these wannabe rulers are finally deposed the real main event will begin.
"the real main event will begin."
And that is ?
I've been thinking that it'll come about more quietly, that people will just continue to fall outside the system until the system just doesn't have enough participants to keep it afloat. I don't think that the State will have much of a say in it, that the State can label anyone any particular way that that would magically create stability for the State.
ALL SYSTEMS FAIL, so eventually the State fails. All the extremists will push to the forefront: we can see this happening; as a matter of fact, I wonder whether there's been intentional religious baiting (by TPTB) in order to set in place their next firewall (followers are never thinkers, so if you get enough of them you get an army to do all sort of your biddings).
I drink YOUR milkshake, and if you don't like it you are pronounced a "non-citizen!"
That will continue until such time that those drinking other's milkshakes feel threatened enough that they STOP: to now violence only flows from the top. I find it interesting that in China, that bastion of Communism, that people can actually understand that they don't give a fuck about the laws when it comes to going after those drinking their milkshakes.
I guess they won't be gifting any Statues of Liberty to any countries anymore.
très peur
Geez, how many times do the French have to repeat their own history.
As many times as any other people who forget their history. Why should they be any more special than the people of the USA?
The US and EU have adopted Lenin’s revolutionary strategy. It advocates leftist excesses and extremist policies. And terror. They are doing it under the banner of a “Global War on Terrorism” when everyone knows it is a final campaign for world socialism on the way to totalitarian empire.
Stalin in 1928 similarly adopted Lenin’s strategies, and did so ‘til the day he died.
For instance, to extract more Siberian grain from the kulaks in 1928, he told Siberian officials just how they could achieve this challenge, by bringing out the full force of the police state. Using force, in a single month, Siberia supposedly had fulfilled more than a third of its annual grain quota.
Writes Oleg Khlevniuk in his recent book, Stalin:
“Behind these figures was escalating brutality in Siberian villages. Bands of agents empowered to use an iron fist in demanding the turnover of grain swept through the countryside. Disdaining even to pay lip service to legality, these agents followed a principle openly expressed by them: ’What kind of bureaucratism is that? Comrade Stalin gave us our motto—press, beat, and squeeze.’ The countryside was gripped by searches and arrests. Such large quantities of grain were confiscated that peasant families were ruined.
“Pressure from Moscow and the active involvement of highly placed emissaries subjected villages everywhere to violence and lawlessness. But the precedent for extremism set in Siberia had special significance. Coming straight from the general secretary, the order to wage war against the kulaks was seen as universal license.”
That’s what it means to live in a country without rights, without represenation. What France and DC and Brussels are doing is a mockery of justice and self-government. It is called radicalism. It is called socialism. It is called Bolshevism. It is called Communism. It is called Terror.
Stalin, the same as Hollande and Obama and Tusk (Brussels boss), favored terror and saw no reason to moderate it. There was no law to stop him; no representative government to overcome him. He was the law. Fear was the primary force behind his power.
“Theoretical dogmatism lay at the root of the violence that defined his regime…
“Stalin could arrest anyone at any moment and have the person summarily shot. He did countless times. The entire patrimonial political enterprise rested on terror.”
This kind of thing went on LONG before Lenin. Find my link to Sir John Glubb's writing and read it! (you'll find that empires collapse regardless of leadership or ideology)
People need to ask the question of WHY it comes to this: I doubt that 1 in a million know the answer (most are programmed to engage in more superficial reasonings, reasonings that continue to keep the stage open for continued abuses).
That begs the question - Are you 1 in a million ?
The drive to dispossess people of their license to exist within any "state" becomes internationally linked.
When they took away true property rights and made "government" (the State) shadow owner of all real property within its borders, they turned everyone into serfs. They have now moved on to dispossess people of the property directly, which makes everyone landless peasants, who will then be forced into more concentrated masses within cities. This Collectivist activity is universal among the control freaks. Concentrate the population, turn cities into managed camps.
The final step to gaining full control over the population is to reduce it. Psychopaths are maniacally driven to mass murder. They use the mundane machinery of bureaucracy to accomplish this feat, time and again. Whether war or Democide.
Toward this end, the rights and immunities of citizenship must be removed. But these pea brained control freaks have a big problem this time around.
When you have a chance read the new EU Constitution. It reads like something from the Code of Federal Regulations it's so fucked. The new EU is about as democratic as communist China. And the French lead the fucking way. All you need to know about the EU's feelings on "democracy:"
- Irish voted against ratifying the new EU Constitution by referendum the EU simply held a second referendum and put more pressure on Ireland.
- Dutch rejected the EU constitution by referendum the EU simply rewrote EU acts into the Treaty of Lisbon, a de facto "acting" EU Constitution.
- Greece voters voted by referendum to reject Troika austerity measures, 2 days after the referendum the EU told Greece to go fuck itself and shoved austerity down its throat.
Fuck the EU.
Hey Je Suis Charlie. How about a few more pokes at the Prophet Muhammad. Is the jew Rahm Emasculate running the show over there or what?
This is because they've been so sucessful?
If the "constitution" can be changed at will by the government then it never was a constitution.
Constitutions are written by governments, even N Korea has one.
According to numbnuts Patrick Weil, having the power to strip French citizenship from people with dual citizenship creates two categories of citizen.
Sorry stupid, allowing people to hold dual citizenship has already created two categories of citizen.
No country should allow its people to also be citizens of another country. If they want to be citizens of another country (e.g. Israel) then treat them solely as citizens of that country and not your own.
Things in France should start moving quickly in a very bad direction from here. If they don't move quickly people will see what is really going on. The authorities naturally want absolute control before it becomes painfully obvious that they live in an uncloaked tyranny. Then the fear will shift from the boogie man to the state, no point in memes anymore. It is very scary what is happening in France now and what is likely to come next.
How long it will be before there is another disaster here of a large enough magnitude that our authorities tell us that we can't gather in groups? France is a good example of how this is likely to happen to us, although the excuse for the clamp-down would likely be worse here because we are far more desensitized at this point. How many Muricans are dumb enough to fall for this boogieman theme just long enough to lose everything?
soros, and friends of NWO, and open borders, investments are paying off, even profitable with their euro shorts, and cac shorts, with the previous knowledge of these actions.
better yet their investments to ruin your countries is tax-deductible.
Best thing to come out of France: Thomas Paine
This may be part of the war against Disclosure. The French government was one of the first to officially disclose evidence of interstellar intelligence.
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/countries-releasing-ufo-information/
All this Americans are SO afraid of the Terroristas,is BS, MSM jacked up BS,ordered by the King.
Now I read MS 13 is cranking up again, LOL.
Oh my!!!,we must be afraid we must cower, we must allow gubermint to STEAL our rights so they can protect us?, uh, NOT!,screw you I will protect myself and my own.
We the majority of the people( who are at least middle road), never worry about any ISIS crap.Those who are not prepared, may be fearful,those of us who took Sam Colt at his word, fear almost nothing.
Except GOD.