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Read The Letter That Turned Folk Icon Pete Seeger Into An FBI Target
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
All government, in its essence, is a conspiracy against the superior man: its one permanent object is to oppress him and cripple him… The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are.
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.
– H.L. Mencken
At 23-years old, Pete Seeger was an Army Private anxiously awaiting the opportunity to be deployed to fight fascism in the midst of World War II, when he became outraged by injustice in his own backyard. As such, he wrote the following letter to the California chapter of the American Legion:
Dear Sirs –
I felt shocked, outraged, and disgusted to read that the California American Legion voted to 1) deport all Japanese after the war, citizen or not, 2) Bar all Japanese descendants from citizenship!!
We, who may have to give our lives in this great struggle—we’re fighting precisely to free the world of such Hitlerism, such narrow jingoism.
If you deport Japanese, why not Germans, Italians, Rumanians, Hungarians, and Bulgarians?
If you bar from citizenship descendants of Japanese, why not descendants of English? After all, we once fought with them too.
America is great and strong as she is because we have so far been a haven to all oppressed.
I felt sick at heart to read of this matter.
Yours truly,
Pvt. Peter Seeger
I am writing also to the Los Angeles Times.
For this thoughtful expression of his First Amendment rights, Pete Seeger ended up on an FBI watch-list; a place he would remain for the next thirty years. Following a Freedom of Information Act request, we now have access to his shocking 1,800 page file (well most of it, with the exception of 90 pages which are apparently still too embarrassing for public consumption).
Mother Jones reports:
From the 1940s through the early 1970s, the US government spied on singer-songwriter Pete Seeger because of his political views and associations. According to documents in Seeger’s extensive FBI file—which runs to nearly 1,800 pages (with 90 pages withheld) and was obtained by Mother Jones under the Freedom of Information Act—the bureau’s initial interest in Seeger was triggered in 1943 after Seeger, as an Army private, wrote a letter protesting a proposal to deport all Japanese American citizens and residents when World War II ended.
Seeger, a champion of folk music and progressive causes—and the writer, performer, or promoter of now-classic songs, including as “If I Had a Hammer,” “Where Have All the Flowers Gone?,” Turn! Turn! Turn!,” “Kisses Sweeter Than Wine,” “Goodnight, Irene,” and “This Land Is Your Land”—was a member of the Communist Party for several years in the 1940s, as he subsequently acknowledged. (He later said he should have left earlier.) His FBI file shows that Seeger, who died in early 2014, was for decades hounded by the FBI, which kept trying to tie him to the Communist Party, and the first investigation in the file illustrates the absurd excesses of the paranoid security establishment of that era.
“Absurd excesses.” Kind of reminds me of another era.
In July 1942, Seeger was drafted into the Army. (“I was almost glad when I heard from my draft board,” he later wrote in a diary.) He was assigned to be trained as an aviation mechanic at Keesler Field in Mississippi. While in the Army, he kept up with the news, and in the fall of 1942, Seeger, who was then 23 years old, wrote a letter of protest to the California chapter of the American Legion.
How did the American Legion respond? It forwarded Seeger’s note to the FBI in San Francisco. And somehow this matter was brought to the attention of the Military Intelligence Service of the War Department. Within weeks, military intelligence was investigating Seeger—and soon updating the FBI on its effort. The official “reason for investigation,” as numerous military reports forwarded to the FBI noted, was that “Subject wrote letter protesting and criticizing the California American Legion’s resolution advocating deportation of all Japanese, citizens or not, after the war, and barring all Japanese descendants from citizenship.”
Seeger had become a target merely because he had objected to mass deportations. The secret investigation coincided with the completion of Seeger’s training as an aviation mechanic. He expected to be deployed to active duty. But while he was under investigation, those orders never came. He watched the rest of his training class be sent to airfields, but he stayed put. At first, he wasn’t sure why. He was frustrated.
The report concluded that Seeger was “an idealist whose devotion to radical ideologies is such as to make his loyalty to the United States under all circumstances questionable.” Seeger, this memo claimed, was “potentially subversive.” The document was sent to J. Edgar Hoover, the director of the FBI.
Another military intelligence report concluded that Seeger’s “Communistic sypmpathies.…and his numerous Communist and otherwise undesirable friends” rendered him “unfit for a position of trust or reliability.” A third report said Seeger is “intensely loyal at this time. He is eager to join the battle actively against Fascism, and is applying himself to improve his military and technical knowledge to be of greatest service.” But it added that if the Communist Party line shifted against the war, Seeger could be susceptible to “potential subversion.” This report also focused on his love for Toshi Ohta: “While this relationship appears on a high plane, this Officer believes it to be unorthodox and one which might lead to divided loyalty in the event this country’s treatment of the Japanese were not in accord with the views of himself or the woman he expects to marry.” It went on to point out that “as an entertainer, his songs have been colored subtly toward idealistic classlessness.” And this memo concluded, “Despite [Seeger’s] intelligence and desire to apply himself to the destruction of the enemy, this officer believes that enemy to be Fascism and not necessarily any enemy of the United States.” That is, Seeger was more loyal to an abstraction than his country. The recommendation: that he remain under surveillance as a “potentially subversive” person.
After the war, Seeger remained an FBI target. It was a time of communist hunting. Confidential informants had fingered Seeger as a party member or sympathizer, and throughout the 1950s the FBI generated hundreds of reports on Seeger. The bureau closely tracked his musical performances and his appearances at political events. It monitored his associations with groups and persons suspected of being linked to or controlled by the Communist Party. FBI agents called his booking agency and pretended to be people who wanted to arrange a Seeger performance in order to collect information on his travels within the United States and overseas. The burgeoning folk music world overlapped with the progressive movement (which the bureau saw as riddled with and dominated by commies) and Seeger was at the nexus.
In 1955, Seeger was called before the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Asked if he was a communist, Seeger defiantly replied, “I am not going to answer any questions as to my associations, my philosophical or religious beliefs or my political beliefs or how I voted in any election or any of these private affairs. I think these are very improper questions for any American to be asked.” He did not plead the Fifth Amendment. He took a stand, telling the committee, “I would be very glad to tell you my life, if you want to hear of it.” He added, “If you want to question me about any songs…I will be glad to tell what songs I have ever sung, because singing is my business.” Seeger told the committee, “I have sung for Americans of every political persuasion…I have sung in hobo jungles, and I have sung for the Rockefellers.”
The congressmen running the commie-hunting committee were not pleased. In 1957, Seeger was cited for contempt of Congress for not answering the questions about his political associations. Four years later, after much legal wrangling, he was found guilty after a three-day trial. Seeger was sentenced to a year in prison. He remained free on bail, and a year later, the conviction was overturned when a federal appeals court determined the original indictment had been defective. After that, the Justice Department dropped the case.
So the legal system set him free, yet the intelligence establishment did the following.
Seeger’s FBI files indicate the FBI actively monitored the contempt case against Seeger. Its agents stayed in contact with the prosecutors handling the case, as the bureau kept gathering information on Seeger’s connections to progressive organizations—civil liberties and civil rights outfits, peace groups, pro-labor entities, and the like—that it deemed subversive. It closely watched his use of his passport.
After the contempt case concluded, the FBI remained on the Seeger beat. When the folk singer traveled abroad, according to a 1963 FBI note from Hoover to the State Department, the bureau notified the CIA and asked for any information it might obtain on Seeger overseas. At one point, when Seeger played a series of concerts in Hawaii in 1963, the FBI collected information on the shows, noting that an audience member from an “avowedly anti-Communist organization” had reported to the bureau that Seeger had sung a song that was “low keyed propaganda to the effect that America is a land of conformity” and also played a song from Japan about nuclear bombs.
FBI surveillance of Seeger continued into the early 1970s. A 1971 FBI report listing evidence of his “CP Sympathy” noted that Seeger had entertained at a benefit concert for three soldiers who had refused to serve in Vietnam because they believed the war there was illegal, immoral, and unjust. Also, it pointed out that he had raised money at a Los Angeles concert for a group called Southern Californians to Abolish the House Committee for Un-American Activities. A 1972 FBI memo reported that Seeger “has manifested a revolutionary ideology.” The message: He still needed watching.
Of course, none of this should be the least bit surprising to anyone who has followed the FBI throughout its history, including modern day witch-hunts, such as the targeting of late internet prodigy Aaron Swartz.
Importantly, the FBI isn’t always on the wrong side of history by accident, it is a reflection of the fact that the organization is little more than an enforcement arm of the status quo, as opposed to a protector of the people.
Here are just a few examples I’ve covered in the past:
The New York Post Reports – FBI is Covering Up Saudi Links to 9/11 Attack
FBI Moves to Broaden Hacking Authority – Google Says it Poses “Monumental Constitutional Concern”
The Full Letter Written by the FBI to Martin Luther King Has Been Revealed

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These days you get put on lists for speaking about the rights of white men.
My how things have changed.
The 'leader' calls himself Irish. What a fucking joke that prick is. He will rot in a fiery place after justice is served.
Is that all it takes to avoid deployment into a combat arena ?? remember that one for the future boys and girls.
Lucille Ball?
Whadd she do? Tell Desi that he was a whore-monger like JFK?
Pretty sure there's a folder in there on me. I'll be disappointed if there isn't.
I wonder if there's one on Tyler D. It would stand to reason.
"was a member of the Communist Party for several years in the 1940s, as he subsequently acknowledged."
Wow, it's fucking nothing--again.
Communists BELONG on watch lists because communists have a very, VERY strong tendency to violently overthrow governments and then install brutal dictatorships and mass murder the people. If you are going to have any sort of internal surveillance apparatus, this is the first group that should go on it.
Tmosley...
Exactly. I was uncertain about Mike Krieger and his liberty-files writing.
Now that I see his heroes are people who were active members or showed support for communists, I know he uses the term "liberty" the way Orwell warned us about (freedom is slavery). Now I don't have to wade through his propaganda trying to figure out what agenda he serves.
Fuck every communist on this planet.
And fuck every idiot who claims to be opposed to the US because of its oppressiveness but turns around and supports assholes like Sanders. They are communists and communists are tyrants.
Any doubts? Read The Black Book of Communism for starters.
Since the neocons are declaring war on everyone shouldn't we be deporting everyone?
moron
Lucy belonged to the communist party as did Lloyd Bridges.
Yes, she was a CP member to make her grandfather happy, but she quit when he died.
Lucille Ball was on a watch list for registering as a communist and supposedly having communist affiliations.
Marrying a Puerto Rican on a TV show is apparently a communist affiliation.
This all kind of slumps into a puddle of shit when you realize he supported Soviet communism too. So to the extent Pete Seeger got anything correct it appears it was the stopped clock theory. He only got it right by accident and infrequently.
Lucy, when asked if she thougth sex was dirty answered, "only if you're doing it right". Shit hit the fan for that comment.
Lucy, when asked if she thougth sex was dirty answered, "only if you're doing it right". Shit hit the fan for that comment.
you said arena...what does that say about you?
Not really Nid you're just included now. Welcome to the fucking party.
I think you may be missing the point.
Well Seeger was a Communist and if you listen to the words of This Land is Our Land it's pretty much a communist manifesto
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/pete-seegers-all-ame...
Back when communists weren't running everything, makes sense.
H.L. Mencken, whom this article quotes, also was a notorious Nazi sympathizer.
Much like yourself, actually.
The sooner you stupid fucking Americans get away from the concept that there is a communist hiding under you bed, the better off we all will be. You're country is the one that is the brutal actor on the world stage and now back home in America. You have killed virtually every society you have come in contact with as if you, and you alone, are the only living life forms worthy of the planet. We beat you back when we were not even a country, even though we were outnumbered 7 to 1, and we laid it on you good. We saved your sorry asses in both the first and second world war, fighting and winning battles that you wouldn't and couldn't fight, with 1/10'th the manpower and a fraction of the casualties, yet you sit there and perpetuate the myth that America is the greatest country in the world, with the bravest and most effective soliders. BS. And we are about to embark on saving you once again, when your putrid society finally collapses from the violence, greed, corruption and ignorance that has become endemic. Why we will do this, I have no idea, because as far as I'm concerned, there isn't much to save, but that is the type of people we are. We care about each other; we have a vision for our country in a peacful and productive world and we will win.
If I've learned one thing over the years it is this. Never try to disuade an American from his god given right to be poor.
So you're from... Somalia or New Jersey?
Let's put it this way. I'm NOT from America. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Then eat shit, you stupid cunt. We have a shit-ton of problems here in America, but we are still the greatest country on earth-- even after 7 years of Obama doing his level best to destroy us.
And as far as communists go, they have thoroughly infiltrated this country at all levels, under the flag of Cultural Marxism, since the 1930s. So, FUCK YOU, you fucking ignoramus.
You're an absolute idiot. You're country is bankrupt. You're government is corrupted from the Supremem Court to Congress, to the MIC. Corporations are bleeding you dry for weapons systems that don't work and will never work. You're population is running around, armed to the teeth, waiting for the next psycho to go off. Your cities are stuffed with unemployed people with nowhere to go and not much to eat. Half your population receives food stamps and virtually every block has a liquor store, a gun store and a massage parlour. The Israeli's are using you to persecute the Arabs and the Arabs have had it with you. They don't want you around, which may explain why your entire Atlantic fleet is hiding up north. Russia and China have both put you on notice that if you continue your belligerence or make one false move they will turn you into a nuclear desert, and they can do it in 12 minutes. Go read Wikipedia about the Satan, Topol M and Iskander missiles. One of your most decorated Marin Brigadier Generals has gone on record as saying that in a direct conventional conflict with Russia you would be 'annihilated' in ten days. His words, not mine. Germany, France, Austria, Spain, Greece, Hungary, Poland have all had it with you. They know you can't protect them, but you keep trying to use them as a proxy for your dirty wars. You're petro dollar is finished as are your Sunni friends. The only reason it hasn't collapsed yet is because everybody in the world is trying to get something of value for them. You're entire population is under surveillance 24/7/365 and Congress no longer even makes a vague attempt at following the Constitution. Your Supreme Court won't step in because they are all captured souls. You have a 220 Trillion dollars fiscal gap which means in just a few year you will be forced to cut Social Security, you can't even afford Obamacare, such as it is. You're 5 biggest banks are still insolvent, kept alive only by selling insurance to terrified depositors who are trying to save their assets, or what they can of them and there are no more countries out there for you to over run and bleed dry. You are at the top of the enemy list for half the world's countries. South east Asia will be digging out mortar rounds, claymore mines and unexploded shells for the next 100 years.
You don't just 'have a few problems' son, you have blown your wad. The problem isn't and never was 'cultural marxism' and I doubt that you even know what Marx's political philosophy was. If you did you would realize that the better half of Europe has been 'marxist' for longer than you've been on the planet. The problem is 'cultural americanism'. It is a hollow culture, of little value to anyone.
Dark Daze, you should move to the USA and open a coin shop. Put that post on the front door of the shop, minus the 'You're an aboslute idiot.'
All of the things you stated there are part of the Marxist agenda to cripple the Americans that stood against communism for 60+ years.
If you knew half as much as you claimed you would understand what is going on. The communists have captured the US government and are trying to use it to discredit the American reputation around the world and destroy it's industry so it can't fight back anymore.
We aren't the idiots here. You are. The better half of Europe was slaughter during WW2. They were decimated in the end because of you idiot marxists.
Some of you are too much. It isn't bloody 'marxists' that have 'caputred' america, it is Zionists. Go read some truth. And besides, we are considered one of your staunchest allies, besides Britain. We have an entirely diffent type of society than you do and our banks are the soundest in the world, we have a happy, healthy population that none the less is always ready to stand up for King and Country when needed, but we don't have 100 million crazies running around with guns. We don't need them. There is another article in ZH tonight that you should read. Since 9/11 there have been 215,000 murders in the US, the vast majority of which were committed by RIGHT WING WHITE EXTREMEISTS. For every 1 attack/murder by a Muslim there have been 4,200 murders by other elements in your society. So what are we doing that you aren't doing? That's the question you should be asking yourself instead of always trying to tie any social ill to marxism. Fool.
do you even read the dribble you type?
Since 9/11 there have been 215,000 murders in the US, the vast majority of which were committed by RIGHT WING WHITE EXTREMEISTS.
Funny.
In 2014 did you know that there was only one murder in the state of Alabama, a hard core redneck, Right Wing State?
(Hmmm...Alabama must be a pretty safe place to live....even with the vast Black Population which many here demonize.)
But it is a Conservative state. On that fact I haven't a doubt at all.
Oh there were 12,000 murders in that 2014 year...mainly in the Left Wing States.
Here. Take a look at this for yourself.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by...
Gee...I wonder why that is...
That kind of destroys your meme.
Now 12,000 murders per year multiplied by 14 years is 171,000 Murders...if 2014 is average.
That is far below your 215,000 number.
PRODUCE YOUR INFORMATION...YOUR VALIDATED INFORMATION.
I REQUIRE A SOURCE FOR THAT ONE.
Other than that I call out B...U...L...L...S...H...I...T.
Actually, most murders in the US are niggers killing niggers. So...go fuck yourself?
By the RATES OF MURDER...YES.
By the numbers of Murders....NO.
Whites outnumber Blacks substantially.
The Black killings of other Blacks is SENSATIONALIZED.
So there is a Media introduced bias in order to manipulate you...to create a perception that is not real. The liberal media covertly works to demonize Blacks using the Editorial power, in suppressing tha vast numbers of Whites being murdered, in order to accomplish the goal.
LIBERAL NEWS ORGANIZATIONS WORK HARD TO MAINTAIN THAT RACIAL DIVIDE while, on the surface, they demonstrate the PC BULLSHIT "White Guilt".
White people killing others just does not make the news...by editorial intent.
The Liberal Media has declared a War on the people, White, Black, Mexican, Asian, and you name it, IN ORDER TO KEEP US CONFUSED AND DIVIDED.
Marxists are Zionists, friend. Marx was a Jew. The Bolsheveks were Jews. The leaders of the attempted communist coup in Weimar were Jews. Jews have very well known communist communes that are state supported.
"Since 9/11 there have been 215,000 murders in the US, the vast majority of which were committed by RIGHT WING WHITE EXTREMEISTS"
Wrong. You are thinking of blacks and hispanics. And just because a white person murders someone doesn't make him a right wing extremist.
You strike me as an anger troll. You getting college credit for this, Chaim?
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Sorry dude but he is right. Until I see white American males turn off the Tv and stop going to ball games where they cheer on Trayvon, Jameis rapist and Michael Brown thugs then maybe I will take American males seriously.
Until then, they are sissy girls cheering on their Trayvon heroes aka they are a total joke. considering who owns the ball teams makes the fan boys even more pathetic.
I always get a kick out of the idea that 'Murica is supposedly a land of "rugged individualism." If that were the case, folks wouldn't get butt-hurt every time someone says something negative about 'Murica. Nationalism is a form of collectivism. It's pretty much the antithesis of individualism. If someone needs to go cry in his safe space anytime someone criticizes his country, he's given himself over to the collective and deserves to be mocked.
For a bunch of rugged individuals, Americans continually lump themselves into one big group, especially when it comes to taking credit for "big things." You'll hear people who've never set foot on a battlefield expound upon military exploits that occurred 70+ years ago ("You'd be speaking German if it weren't for 'Murica!"), and you'll hear people who can't do basic arithmetic discuss their scientific accomplishments ("We put a man on the moon!").
One thing you won't hear Americans take collective credit for is mistakes. In those cases, individuals (Bush, Obama, etc.) are always to blame. While that's probably correct, it's also glaringly hypocritical in a nation where much of the "good stuff" is attributed to the collective. The thing is, America is possibly — at most — two decades from becoming a failed state. It will be interesting to see who we decide to blame for that.
"It will be interesting to see who we decide to blame for that."
We need to stop selling mirrors!
Just allow deluded idiots to be deluded idiots, it's not worth the effort.
If someone chooses to be ill-informed and is incapable of rational thought that's their problem.
The American disease is that they have been conditioned to believe that geopgraphy, religion and skin colour are in some way related to some nebulous concept of 'greatness'.
Utter bullshit.
Let the mindless start with the downvotes!
Dude! Paragraphs are your friend. Use them. They're free!
Otherwise, no argument here. What we know as America today bears little resemblance to the America that was founded a couple hundred years ago.
We know. We're hostages, too.
Sad thing is- things have to get much worse before they begin to get better.
It's just a ride.
ace, America a couple of hundred years ago? Try bearing no resemblance to the America of just 50 years ago.
I would have been 12 in December of 1965. The CIA had just killed President John F. Kennedy a few years ago. The riots and rebellion on college campuses had just begun, but, America then was vastly different from today.
Guys worked on their own cars. Married women mostly stayed home and raised kids. Welfare was pretty much unheard of, and, even then, treated as an aberration rather then the norm.
Food was cheap, Americans built things like cars, stereos, washing machines, lamps, and a plethora of other products which were sold worldwide because they were of high quality.
American small businesses actually stood a chance to grow and thrive, unburdened by mountains of regulations, laws, and idiodic berueacrats.
A government job was only taken when somebody couldn't cut it in the private sphere. Businesses offered good pensions.
I oculd go on and on and on, but America was pretty much a great place until the mid-60s, after the coup.
Oh, yeah, silver coins were just beginning to be taken out of circulation.
It's a sad thought, but I wish my father, who was a great guy (RIP) had told me to hold onto those silver coins back then. Now I buy them for roughly ten times their face value. What did I know? I was just a kid and the education system was just starting to try to make me stupid. Thank god, I dropped out of college in 1972, so I was not completely hypnotized, lobotomized and pasteurized.
DD, I don't disagree with you, but I've noticed something interesting about your writing style. You sound exactly like a co-worker who turned out to be a (very intelligent) sociopath. Not kidding unfortunately.
Tells me less than zero
If you would have finished by calling me a cowboy I would have thanked you for the compliment.
Canada
America's best friend and sternist critic, just turned its back on a misbegotten experiment with joining the neo-con bandwagon.
Meh... on the surface perhaps. We did manage to get rid of that little Hitler - Harper. But the "Liberals" as a party are beholden to "business interests".
And the major institutions of the country are still in cahoots with the neo-feudal NWO rentier parasites.(read: bankers) The rot is long-standing & pervasive.
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, get out of my country right now! Back when I was a kid we sang this land is my land like this: "This land is my land- it ain't your land! I got a shotgun! You ain't got one! This land was made for only me!" You smell like an Ivy-league student who is taking too many shrooms and reading Chomsky! Well if you don't like Amerika! Get out now!
You claim to have beaten us before we were a nation? Are you from Great Britain? If you are, then you would have to answer for the first and second Opium wars, the Maharaja of India and the Bloody Sunday indicident of Northern Ireland in 69! Oh and i'll bet you're collecting welfare benefits and do not have any visa or form of parole here in these United States.
Like I said, stupid, fucking Americans.
The debt serf laughing and singing songs of freedumb.
go fuck yourself
You do realize that if you are from Canada, eh, then you are technically an "American" too, even if only north.
All the same, good luck to you. The only chance Canada would have against the US is if the US were in full scale civil war with numerous factions and then only if they were to annex China for manpower.
The Rothchilds, Bank of England and Company conquered this nation once and for all in 1913 without a single shot fired. Now, they use us to fire all the shots at anyone who opposes them while carrying out the largest wealth transfer in history. If the bankers heard you singing that song, they'd think it was stand up comedy.
Communism is just an affirmative action program for Trotskite Jews. Since most of these have transformed into "neocons", Communism remains only as a curious, irrelevant relic of an earlier time.
The Trotsky Jewish Bolsheviks have always been against the middle class of whatever host country they infest, which in the case of the US, or Russia, is the white christian family.
They made their bid to rule the Soviet Union, but failed and the thug Stalin took over, even though the Jewish Bolscheviks remained as the major component of the Soviet Nomenklatura.
Once it became clear that the Soviet Union was on its deathbed, most of the Trotskite Nomenklatura (the ones who didn't stay to feast off the body parts) moved to Israel or set up shop in the US, as "neo-cons", to reinforce the Trotskites that were already here and had been working their "PC Magic" and their "Hollywood Values" for decades (they were already in control of US Banks).
We now are starting to see the results. Christian White men are being written out of the script - literally- notice that the main stars of the new Star Wars are a woman and a black? How about "The Martian" - the guys who solve the rescue problem at NASA are Chinese, black or Indian. No whites. Gosh, I wonder why that is... must be a coincidence! The Trokskites in the US and Europe are well on their way in completely dismantling Western Culture, and replacing it with - Jewish Hollywood Values.
Its not a racist thing - white men are as stupid as anyone else - its that the Trotskites are dismantling their competition and specifically its CULTURE, the American middle class in general, the American family, and white males in particular. Destroying a culture removes the frame of reference - the Trotskites will be able to set up the NWO and the sheep will not remember nor be able to read that things used to be much better...
This is an EXACT ANALOG of what they did in the USSR in the 1920's and 1930's before they fell out with Stalin - with the great Ukrainian starvation a.k.a. Holomodor, with the Soviet secret police sending anyone that might resist the state to the Gulag, trying to wipe out the Russian Orthodox Church, starving out the middle class land owners. The idea was to remove all traces of Russian tradition and replace it with values furnished by the State.
The Trotskite Jews were in charge of the Soviet Secret Police...
Its laughable that the Ukies blame the Russians for the great famines of the 1930's when they have let the real perpetrators back in control.
If you are from the US (or UK or Europe for that matter) I hope you like your new Jewish Hollywood values...
I don't live in the US, never have and certainly never would. Right now I would not even change planes in the US. I saw with my own eyes when I was 12 and spent the summer in Chesepeake Bay how your society 'works'. I was self employed all my life and enjoy a comfortable retirement. I didn't finish high school but I took 4 semesters of community collage. I was too poor to afford any Ivy League University. Everything I have learned I have learned on my own, by seeking out knowledgable people. I trace my family history in Europe to a time before official records were kept. I have never collected 'welfare' in my life. I always give anonymously to charity, and as generously as I can. I have worked as a volunteer canvasser for multiple charities and I currently teach computer programming skills to the local indigenous population. I am far, far away from where the shit is going to hit the fan, in a community that is self sustaining.
we appreciate you not wanting to be american... your kind of scum is already to prevailent here.
Truly awesome rant, Dark Daze!
Looks like you got slapped down pretty hard...even many ZH'ers aren't ready for THAT much truth all at once...their anger comes from their secret fear that you may just be right.
Nevertheless, I don't blame Americans for their government. I love the American people, I despise their government.
I'm hiding out in Nicaragua at the moment...you should hear about what the US Government did here...going all the way back to the 1890's fucksakes! How about the FIRST aerial bombing from a Sopwith Camel bi plane! True.
You mean the land whitey stole from those who lived there previously?
It's a long way down from a high horse.
hard to steal what one does not own. the fable of the noble savage is just that, a fable...just as many lying indians as lying white man... unfortunately for the indians, their lies didn't profit them as much
Whats with the "you" shit mother fucker? I haven't killed anyone, oppressed anyone, or hurt anyone other than myself, so go fuck off with your guilt trip strategy, not working here. I am responsible for what I and I alone do. That guilt by association shit is straight out of an academia shameing technique playbook, that the professors use on the young and weak minded to accept collective guilt. Might work on some, but not this guy, heard it all before, and it didn't work back then either.
Darkie Dayz, hows Alberta doin?
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Right. They aren't "hiding under the bed anymore."
The shitwad DNC and their leftist platform and their entire propaganda-support structure (academe, Hollywood, the media, the Socialist Gospel pulpit) have so mainstreamed communism that they don't have to.
They now occupy the White House.
They are now campaigning for the DNC primaries.
The sooner you leftist-brainwashed socialists understand how much freer and more prosperous you could be, you'll stop whining about the George Washingtons hiding under your beds.
So fuck off and shine your chains, asshole.
Vimy Ridge!
Penned by Woody Guthrie not Seeger.
Seeger was a Woody Guthrie wannabe as is Bob Dylan.
Seeger was a real shit bag and Kriger has this one all wrong.
Seeger was a big hero of Joe Stalin's endless mass murder of Russians and Ukrainians. the Bolsheviks were not Christians but they murdered 25+ million Russian Christians and Stalin also starved about 6 million Ukrianians who were probably 99% Christians. Stalin, Hitler, FDR and the rest were all owned by the banksters.
When Hitler and Stalin signed their non-agression pact he wrote a song in praise of both of them. We nazi Germany attacked the USSR, Seeger re-wrote the song and attacked Hitler.
Seeger was just another tool of the internatiinal banksters who back both sides of ALL wars.
The only thing Seeger did that was any goodwas Turn Turn Turn done by The Byrds. Seeger lifted in straight from the Bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn!_Turn!_Turn!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4
Great 12-string work by Roger/Jim McGuinn on the 12-string Rickenbacker as he was an accoplished banjo player.
The worst thing about the Byrds was David Crosby who's old man wroked at the post office which was bullshit. His old man was See Eye Aye.
Dave McGowan blew the lid off the whole See Eye Aye project MK Ultra project and the project to create the hippies to hijack the anti-war movement. Poor Dave McGowan now has aggressive cancer which was probably because he exposed the Laurel Canyon scam, fraud and mass murder of celebs and music people. Sadly, it appears Dave died recently.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTeKptbIfao
Dave McGowan was a self taught writer who amazing exposed the hippie creation by the See Eye Aye to derail the anti war movement. McGowan also exposed other things like Lincoln's murder, how assasins are programmed to kill and a lot more. Check his web site out. He was an American patriot.
Do you have any idea WHY Stain went after the Ukrainians? Because at the beginning of the war they fought for Hitler against Russia, until about 1942 or 1943 when they saw the end and switched sides. Russia nearly lost the war because of what they did, and while we are on the topic, Finnland, that supposedly peaceful land of herding nomads raised an army of 25,000 on behalf of Hitler, and they were crack, motivated troops. So next time, read your history before spouting off about things you know nothing about.
I'm offended that you refer to Commrade Stalin as "Stain". After all, he pionered so many things modern totalitarian governments take for granite.
Yes, I know that in the West we generally view Stalin as a psychopath, and he probably was. But he wasn't the first and he isn't going to be the last for a while. I don't condone what he did. Killing and terrorising for retribution is rarely a succesful strategy. But I will say this. You and I really have no idea what life was like for the average surf in Russia prior to 1917. I do know for sure that many millions of them died in wars of aggression carried out by Czars that were in fact, related to the British and German Royal family. The elite in Russia had no use for anyone below 'their class'. They indulged in conspicuous consumption and debauchery even in the face of a collapsing society. And after the revolution, who's to say what forces were at work trying to overthrow them. Were the Russians worse off under the Bolsheviks? Probably not. Were the Bolsheviks decent people, most certainly not. But then, during the revolutionary war in America, 40,000 United Empire Loyaists were imprisoned in Boston for 10 months through a brutally cold winter, starved, tortured and brutalized with the constant threat of death. It wasn't until Washington made a decision that they should be released that they were able to repatriate to Canada. There are a multitude of other examples of what America has done to other countries, terrible, horrible, brutal things from Guatemala to Argentina, from South Africa to Nigeria, from Cambodia to Korea. So, I wouldn't jump on my high horse about Stalin. Has capitalism 'delivered' a better life to the world's population, or just to Britain and America? Well, according to the most recent statistics, half the world, more than 4 Billion people have less than $ 10,000 in wealth and assets. 1.4% own 48% of the entire assets of the world. It's hard to argue that it has been a 'fair' system, especially when you had psychopaths like Alan Dulles overthrowing governments because banana pickers wanted 5 cents more an hour and his brother who ran United Fruit wouldn't pay. These are historical facts, not myths. And where is capitalism today? Well, it has failed mightily. Through excess credit and money printing the world has enough overcapacity that it will take 35 years to work off. Banks will remain on the verge of insolvency for decades to come. Stock markets are manipuated. The US rules only by virtue of the printing press and it uses it's financial and currency markets not as vehicles of creating productive capacity but as extensions of foreign policy, ruining countries that don't toe the line while lining the pockets of a very few people with such massive amounts of wealth that it can hardly be imagined. When you destroy the middle class, and you have, history shows that it is the end of the line, always.
Being neither the first or the last psychopath is in any way a mittigating factor.
Evil fucks are Evil fucks, however you write it.
The problem is that banking and government seems to attract them like flys to shit.
Government is the problem, whatever 'ism' it uses for cover.
I did not see your response before typing. I echo your sentiments in this...TO THE LETTER.
Yes, I know that in the West we generally view Stalin as a psychopath, and he probably was. But he wasn't the first and he isn't going to be the last for a while. I don't condone what he did.
And yet you justify that?
THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION. NONE. NADA. ZILCH.
And before you start to tell me how horrific my Government is...which it is...
THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION IN THAT EITHER.
The lesser of two evils is STILL EVIL.
I'm decedent of British Loyalists. My family homesteaded the Tarrytown/Sleepy Hollow area of upstate New York.
In order for Washington to "repatriate" us to "Canada", Canada would actually have to exist beforehand. It didn't. The rebels merely burned our crops, shot our live stock, burned our homes and murdered our family members with no place to send them back to!
We were driven north and had to establish Canada before we could run to it and defend it!
Got them back in the War of 1812 tho...it was a pleasure to burn down the White House and half of DC.
Woody Guthrie was a proud commie too.
Seeger said as much.
Pete Seeger was deluded at an early age into thinking the Communist Party had better answers to the injustice he saw first hand in the USA. as he traveled throughout the land. Just like today there was plenty of corruption and brutality against the working poor. He grew to realize that it wasn't the form of altruistic philosophies that was the problem but cruelty and greed of many who rose in economic and political power.He was a lifelong adherent to kindness and brotherhood and encouraged others to rise to a higher purpose. Just as all of us have faults, he was no exception.
One might say that people that rabidly support either the Republican or Democrat Parties are dupes and not to be trusted either. Certainly the heads of those political parties deserve as much derision as did the leaders of the American Communist Party. Of course I would never say that as it might get me on numbers of three letter National security agencies of the Federal Corporation City State.
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We are all targets today as the NSA spies on everyone. Snowden says the current situation is much worse than Orwell's 1984.
The Deep State runs everything in America since at least Nov 22, 1963. Kennedy promised to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. Instead, the CIA shattered his brains into a thousand pieces.
The NSA spies on the Supreme Court, Congress and the White House and you.
The most extraordinary passage in the memo requires that the Israeli spooks “destroy upon recognition” any communication provided by the NSA “that is either to or from an official of the US government.” It goes on to spell out that this includes “officials of the Executive Branch (including the White House, Cabinet Departments, and independent agencies); the US House of Representatives and Senate (members and staff); and the US Federal Court System (including, but not limited to, the Supreme Court).”
The stunning implication of this passage is that NSA spying targets not only ordinary American citizens, but also Supreme Court justices, members of Congress and the White House itself. One could hardly ask for a more naked exposure of a police state.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/13/surv-s13.html
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State
There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
Who rules America?
The secret collaboration of the military, the intelligence and national security agencies, and gigantic corporations in the systematic and illegal surveillance of the American people reveals the true wielders of power in the United States. Telecommunications giants such as AT&T, Verizon and Sprint, and Internet companies such as Google, Microsoft, Facebook and Twitter, provide the military and the FBI and CIA with access to data on hundreds of millions of people that these state agencies have no legal right to possess.
Congress and both of the major political parties serve as rubber stamps for the confluence of the military, the intelligence apparatus and Wall Street that really runs the country. The so-called “Fourth Estate”—the mass media—functions shamelessly as an arm of this ruling troika.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/10/pers-j10.html
There is no way a parasitic system like communism could last as long as it did unless the central bankers wanted it so. The filthy Bolsheviks were funded by the Federal Reserve. Mao was funded the same way. Stalin went as far as the 3rd grade and earned his living as a firebug and violent thug. Pol Pot was a rich and spoiled anti-social moron whose family got him into the Sorbonne where he wasted everybody else's time and money by goofing off with campus commies.
None of these losers would last on the streets but the NWO saw them as useful psychopaths to terrorize their own populations. Ordinary people are targeted by the Alphabetroids because they are a threat to the psychos ruling and ruining everything they touch. The stupid FBI can't find Hillary's emails but they can track down harmless citizens for nothing.
It is worse than that. It is the moneychangers' batshit crazy delusions that they must rule the world, and kill anyone who gets in their way.
Nasty nazionists, Talmudists, and their dupes.
Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the Temple. You don't have to be Christian to see that he was right.
Some say this is an allegory; a strident story. I only care that it is right, and the world is being ruined by nasty moneychangers, manipulators, liars, political ne'er do wells.
It is time to stop them again.
It is time to stop them again.
Right now Russia is doing their part. However, the moneychanges are gearing up. Hopefully, the Russian people don't fall for their tricks.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/24/mikhail-khodorkovsky-wants-revol...
The .gov grinches are out in force again. They go on a down voting rampage on everything without responding.
Stunning...
And the most overlooked of all the Snowden releases was the document showing exactly where all of the raw NSA data goes.
cunts
I thought Pete Seeger was that rocker who always sings about how he was poor when he was young, but he was strong and studly and had lots of sex with hot women, but now he's getting older, and he thinks a lot about all the hot sex he's had with hot women, and he gets lonely and tired touring all the time and having tons of meaningless sex with anonymous hot women, and he wishes he could go back to simpler times when all he needed was his guitar and smokin' hot sex with all the smokin' hot babes he's known?
That gets you on an FBI list?
You forgot about him asking J Edgar out on a date.
Haha, a Drag Queen at the very Top of the US Domestic security service.
J Edgar said there was no mafia because half his friends were in the mafia!
Forgive me if I missed sarcasm or something. But the rocker you are thinking of is Bob Seger. He sung great songs such as Roll Me Away, and The Fire Inside, and Turn the Page, etc. Its a shame they don't make rockers like this anymore. Sadly enough, he like everyone else is/was probably on a list.
Forgive me if I missed sarcasm or something. But the rocker you are thinking of is Bob Seger. He sung great songs such as Roll Me Away, and The Fire Inside, and Turn the Page, etc. Its a shame they don't make rockers like this anymore. Sadly enough, he like everyone else is/was probably on a list.
+1000 for B Seger.
That's Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet band. He was a nobody when he was growing up but when he became famous, every broad in Ann Arbor, Michigan began to lie and claim that she was his high school sweetheart back in the day.
Takin-Care- Of Business ~~~ Wreckin Sovereign Third World Countries?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYMD_W_r3Fg
Don't Get Fooled Again (The Who)
Americans are easily fooled because they have a place the size of a continent, and live far apart from the places which are wrecked by nazionists, insolvent banksters and political grifters.
Silly boys romanticise about socialism, communism, corporatism.
"Meet the new boss; same as the old boss."
Keep the Constitution. Keep the guns. Keep your wits about you. One child is every child. That is the essence of Christianity, and Christmas. Today in London, I meet many people of many faiths and none, but they are kind enough to acknowledge that Christians, and Protestants in particular, do love the world so much that personal sacrifice is a small thing; the world is a big thing, and all the people in it.
This is the essential message of Jesus Christ: one child is every child. The individual and his/her soul is important. This idea puts a break on homocidal power brokers and their counting houses.
if 2pac is your hero you should do humanity a favour and hang yourself
what kind of assholes downvoted this? who gives a fuck about a dead... banger.
No sesame points for Pete.
The true tragedy about the story of Pete Seeger and many others like him is that nobody much really cares. After all we are all being monitored and everyone know that nobody cares about it either.
You hit the nail on the head.
Nobody cares......
The second amendment says, "Shall not be infringed" but there are 2600 federal gun ownership laws.
Nobody cares.
The constitution says that both your parents must be born or naturalized American citizens to qualify for the office of the presidency yet the current occupant of the white house had a daddy who was British Kenyan.
Nobody cares.
The body in teh USA that is supposed to regulate teh banks is owned by the banks.
Nobody cares.
Etc.....
And because nobody cares, it WILL collapse.
Squid
For the South, Merry Christmas, and Freebird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0W1v0kOELA
I've been on governments watch lists for decades, and it does not bother me. Perhaps it bothers them.
Happy Christmas, ZHers. Truth be told...
I was always partial to this version.
http://youtu.be/hMHjjvLjtAM
Beautiful, isn't it. Thanks for that. Delicate and powerful.
Nope
Try this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIWDmmqZzY
Lynyrd Skynyrd before they made it used to hang with some of my family in great uncles in JAX.
Oh the stories.
They took out their dads car one time and wrecked it and left it. Who does that nowadays?
They knew they were going somewhere, the Van Zants.
Oh, yeah. Another great moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIWDmmqZzY
Guaranteed that the Ponzi Casino Crony Capitalist Federal Bureau of botched Investigations keeps an eye on all Marxists non-stop 24/7/365. A major Communist influence in my life [Professor Emeritus Joseph Levitt Canadian History UofO] had to get permission to travel to Florida with the 'snowbirds' simply because he was a member of the socialist precursor to the New Democratic Party back in the days after the Second World War. Joe fought on the Beaches of Normandy against the God damned Germans so that Hitler would be defeated, but the cocksucking American fascists in the CIA/FBI thought he could not be trusted to vacation in Florida in the late 80s, and early 90s. Because I knew Joe's stepson, and Joe, I'm certain the cocksuckers would do the same to moi if I ever applied for a Passport.
Up yours, FBI.
btw....I just applied for a job with CSIS, but when they do their homework they will find out what I really think of the Security Establishment IMHO.
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Fuck Canadian jews like professor levitt for fighting for the banks and zionism.
In CANADA, back in the Second World War era, all young men of fighting age had to join the war so that they could be paid to go to university afterwards. Professor Levitt availed himself of the same opportunity that my own father took as well. Most UofT grads after the Second World War were men that served in the Second World War in some sort of capacity. Not a soul was drafted and all willingly joined out of ignorance with regard to what de Rothschild Bank was up to at the time. My own father was a Chartered Accountant, and even he did not know what de Rothschild Bank was up to. Today, we on Z/H know what they are up to because of Internet, and NOT because of libraries.
And Joe was not the type of man to tolerate inequality of any sort.
The project for a Greater Israel subservient to the City of London banksters wants to herd European and American jews into its fiefdom, Israhell.
Stay home. Stay with us. Do not go there. Do not be a debt slave.
People like you and me are having a family fight. I urge you to stay here. Don't go there. Don't go to the neo feudalism, genocidal money masters.
". Today, we on Z/H know what they are up to because of Internet, and NOT because of libraries."
Not true in the slightest.
You, like everyone else on this planet has a conscience, and men who fought in europe against their own cousins knew what they were doing wrong.
Libraries and the internet doesn't produce morality.
And every accountant I know knows they are government agents. Please gtfo with that bullshit.
You sign your tax return-not them.
Nazionist Goebbels the arch propagandist said men would never go to war and leave their families unless the State terrorised them.
Who gains from that? The freak power brokers, the insolvent banksters.
Here we are in the 21st century, still terrorised by the mad men few, bailed out by the many.
'War Is A Racket' (U.S. Marine General Smedley Butler, America's most decorated soldier, two time recipient of the Medal of Honor).
One child is every child. That is the essence of Christmas, and the Constitution for which my family and Tisquantum's family lived and died. Peace and reconciliation among all traders of honor is a good thing.
Trade, yes. Dominance, no.
My own father bought Victory Bonds, but he did not realize the extent of that with regard to Wall Street Investment houses when he was in his twenties, and thirties, when the bonds matured. Most were not as bright as him with regard to investments back in the day.
Brother,
Please try to understand that these are not your father's wars or my father's. The world is different now. We need to stay home. We are being played. The gamblers, jokers, war makers laugh as we lose. Stay home. Home is our best place.
I approach everything from an Information Theory/Cybernetics perspective. Second Law of Thermodynamics/Entropy ensures closed looped systems cybernetic failure over time. On the other hand, open looped systems cybernetics actually function if I refuse to allow anyone to convince me that I don't have influence at the table when it comes to war, or NOT war. Right now we cannot avoid Third World War due to the fact that state sponsored fascism, and fascists, don't know how to function in a world of open looped systems cybernetics. They can't stand it when they lose power, but by their knowledge base of systems cybernetics/Information Theory they must certainly understand the requirement for open looped systems rather than the present system wide disfunction of closed looped cybernetics that are known to empirically run down, and degrade, over time. No Brother V for..., I must stay at the table if I am ever hoping to offer them their heads on silver platters with relish. ;|
Peace be with you, brother. We shall meet on the other side. I have no doubt about that, although we will argue as family does ;-)
This is our America, north, south and central. I am going to be very angry and richer than you if you cheat the young ones.
Life is a team effort. Beware. Together, forever.
Socialists, communists, corporatists, fascists...all the same thing: a control mechanism whereby some animals are more equal than others.
This is offensive to humankind; an obscenity; a homocidal idea; filthy lucre.
One child is every child. That is the message of Christmas. That is the message of the Constitution of the USA.
Keep the Constitution. Keep the guns.
If you want something else, move to Israel, currently committing genocide in keeping with its socialist, communist, corporatist, snivelling beggng money monster insolvent banksters aka Rothschilds/Rockefellers/Bronfman (your sort Canuck) to stamp on the face of humankind for your small tribe.
Eh hoser, go back to back bacon country and get tossed! We don't want your kind here, got it? Ooooohhhh, I guess not and don't worry, were are becoming just like you.
Is it me?
Or are all the famous proles in that picture part of the counter culture brought on by the CIA?
Its funny. The fascists at the CIA create these phony famous people, and then sends the FBI on a wild goose chase whilst the CIA globally wrecks the world for rothchild bank and greater israel.
And the FBI idiots are nonthewiser.
But in movies the jews always make the FiBBERS look like honest folks.
Its all a con job. We as a nation are living a lie, that our government is doing good for us.
When it obvious is not.
Kerrching. CIA, MI6, MOSSAD. The International Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS), bring death and destruction under its new brand name, all to entertain or rob the uninformed, the naive.
Divide and rule. Control.
There was a ZH story earlier regarding a Russia/Taliban cooperation, then this. When will the madness end?
Were they "black" helicopters? No, but seriously, I mention it 'cause they flew over my house.
That is, during that Homeland Security "exercise" over urban areas last year. I could have hit 'em witha rock from the roof. The whole neighborhood was freaked since there was no prior notice.
I asked a cop the next day if even they were forewarned. He said sure they were, and went on to add, " You want us to be prepared for a Bin Laden, don'cha?"
With visions of a Doppelganger _______ city in an ME desert, I just had to walk away.
There are some Jewish people involved, but it's the Nazis you gotta look out for , and yes it's all a facade , all of it
Where are these Nazies you speak of.
Name them.
There were approximately 1600 brought here under Operation Paperclip. Notables:
Great list of the top Paperclip folks, but you can take Dipl. Eng. Kurt Tank off that list.
Nazi is a mindset, not a country or religion. It is very difficult for people to comprehend what that is.
Operation Paperclip brought nazis into the USA. Nazi Operation Northwoods was stopped by JFK.
American jews are being played, and their money aids the Nazi mindset, the insolvent banksters whose First Zionist Congress said one cow in Palestine was worth more than all the jews in Europe.
I know the Vatican and rabbis hate me and mine: the Constitution, and Protestants. I simply warn you that you are body bags in waitng for their narcissism; their love of money and power without conscience.
Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun,
A man whose allegiance?
Is ruled by expedience.
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown.
"Ha, Nazi Schmazi," says Wernher von Braun.
Don't say that he's hypocritical,
Say rather that he's apolitical.
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.
Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
But some think our attitude
Should be one of gratitude,
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.
You too may be a big hero,
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero.
"In German oder English I know how to count down,
Und I'm learning Chinese," says Wernher von Braun
Paperclip was basically help us or die.
Most would have done the same.
It's called Hollywood Syndrome, i.e. in the back of your mind you cannot erase that idea 'Justice prevails'.
Many times I comment .... without reading the article .... nor the comments of my "Keyboard Komrades" .... that's why I'm refreshingly candid .... and unrestrained .... I do read the headlines .... Pete Seeger is now poster child for Stalinesque abuse .... the PC of today .... is worse than anything the HUAC every came up with .... yes, House Un-American Activities Committee ?
And why so many articles on Christmas day .... it's a micro-aggression .... I can't impart my wisdom so difusely ? LOL
Are you drunk, or just incredibly stupid?
go back to third world shit hole you call paradise
Notice how the world's intelligence agencies are tighter with each other than with their own country's political leadership?
Except for Israel when Likud has the gov, of course.
Some people say that secret.gov and crime.org have overlapping segments. I cannot say that for sure but when they get shot like Michael Loch McGurk in Sydney 6 years ago, the books are verboten, and there's no trial you remember this 'rumor'.
not only some people, but even hollywood has started to make countless movies on that topic. fiction (with few exceptions), i know, which proves nothing, actually quite the opposite, but nevertheless.
sicario, spectre, black mass, kill the messenger, to name just few off the top of my head.
Janis Joplin?? Geezus, a 20 year old kid from a backwards ass Texas town, poured every ounce of her soul into that powerful voice and went with the flow of the times. I guess those type have the means, intelligence, and organization skills to overthrow the government. God I hate this place, and I would leave it if I could.
No. Stay. Voice your concerns. Be strong. She was promoted by the money masters in the entertainment business who knew she was a weak slut.
Yes, they like them dependent on something.
The system, in business and through the rulers, on all levels, has always been full of abuse of power. People were blacklisted and lives ruined for a glitch they did not even know about. Abuse of power is more the norm than the exception.
NEW TOPIC FOR WATCHLIST: Obama criticised new Chinese legislation that mandates backdoors in digital devices. Only read it superficially but it sounded like they're imitating you know who!!!!
Janis Joplin was an addict, a poor jewish girl, easily manipulated by the jew men money masters in the entertainment, pornography business, and they profited while she died, slowly at first, and then suddenly. They got their money's worth out of her.
Another See Eye Aye hippie music creation to sabotage the anti war movement. All done in Laurel Canyon. Dem liberal and dual shiti-zen David Geffen was involved with many of these bands.
Dave McGowan exposed all of Laurel Canyon's scene including murders of musical people and movie stars. Janet died at a hotel a few hundred feet from the entrance to Laurel Canyon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTeKptbIfao
Poor Dave McGowan recently died of cancer which may have been a hit. He exposed a lot of things including training assasins, 9/11, bogus Apollo moon landings, Boston Marathon, Lincoln murder, USA fascism, endless stuff about the See Eye Aye and a lot more,
My guess is they probably killed him because he was figuring out too many things and people were listening to him.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/
i missed the passing of mcGowan... what a great source of knowledge... everyone on here should be aware of his work
No place left to hide so you better do your part or you will have no one to blame but yourself.
The brief internment of Japanese Americans .... is not comparable .... to Japanese death marches ?
So your point is the USA in 1942 was no better than imperial Japan?
Just askin cause ti sure sounds like what you're implying.
Squid
So. Seeger was a communist when Stalin was in power and and he bitched about the Japanese getting interned after Pearl Harbor... that nexus would get you on a lot of lists. Ethel and Julius Rosenberg and Frank Marshall Davis were also communists back in the day. Just unlucky timing on Seeger's part maybe.
I believe his bitching was about a proposed plan to evict Japanese citizens and descendants from the US AFTER the war was over, not internment after Pearl Harbor. It's not clear if internment was widely known at the time especially in Mississippi, but I'm sure he wouldn't have liked that either.
.gov watchlist?? Sheeeeeeit.
I put the .gov on my watchlist.
:-D
Stupid articles like this .... are "Hate America" magnets .... thanks for registering .... you make my job as a CIA, FBI snitch troll much easier .... LOL .... get a life loser Israel hating leftists ?
wotta fruit