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What If Jesus Had Been Born 2,000 Years Later In The American Police State?
Submitted by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,
“Two thousand years later … the memory of the revolutionary zealot who walked across Galilee gathering an army of disciples with the goal of establishing the Kingdom of God on earth, the magnetic preacher who defied the authority of the Temple priesthood in Jerusalem, the radical Jewish nationalist who challenged the Roman occupation and lost, has been almost completely lost to history.” ? Reza Aslan, religious scholar
The Christmas narrative of a baby born in a manger is a familiar one.
The Roman Empire, a police state in its own right, had ordered that a census be conducted. Joseph and his pregnant wife Mary traveled to the little town of Bethlehem so that they could be counted. There being no room for the couple at any of the inns, they stayed in a stable, where Mary gave birth to a baby boy. That boy, Jesus, would grow up to undermine the political and religious establishment of his day and was eventually crucified as a warning to others not to challenge the powers-that-be.
But what if Jesus, the revered preacher, teacher, radical and prophet, had been born 2,000 years later? How would Jesus’ life have been different had he be born and raised in the American police state?
Consider the following if you will.
Had Jesus been born in the year 2015…
Rather than traveling to Bethlehem for a census, Jesus’ parents would have been mailed a 28-page American Community Survey, a mandatory government questionnaire documenting their habits, household inhabitants, work schedule, and even how many toilets were in their home, etc. The penalty for not responding to this invasive survey would have resulted in a fine of $5,000.
Instead of being born in a manger, Jesus might have been born at home. Rather than wise men and shepherds bringing gifts, however, the baby’s parents might have been forced to ward off visits from state social workers intent on prosecuting them for the home birth. One couple in Washington had all three of their children removed after social services objected to the two youngest being birthed in an unassisted home delivery.
Had Jesus been born in a hospital, his blood and DNA would have been taken and entered into a government biobank without his parents’ knowledge or consent. While most states require newborn screening, a growing number are indefinitely holding onto that genetic material long-term for research, analysis and purposes yet to be disclosed.
Then again, had his parents been undocumented immigrants, they and the newborn baby might have been shuffled to a profit-driven, private detention center for illegals. There’s quite a lot of money to be made from imprisoning immigrants, especially when taxpayers are footing the bill.
Once in school, Jesus would have been drilled in lessons of compliance and obedience to government authorities, all the while learning little about his own rights. And if he dared to challenge school officials, he might have found himself suspended under a school zero tolerance policy that punishes minor infractions (such as doodling or talking in class) as harshly as more serious offenses (such as bringing a weapon to class).
According to scripture, Jesus, at the age of twelve, wandered the temple courts in Jerusalem alone and unsupervised. Today, had Jesus disappeared for a few hours let alone days, his parents would have been handcuffed, arrested and jailed for parental negligence. Parents across the country have been arrested for far less “offenses” such as allowing their children to walk to the park unaccompanied and play in their front yard alone.
Rather than disappearing from the history books from his early teenaged years to adulthood, Jesus’ movements and personal data—including his biometrics—would have been documented, tracked, monitored and filed by governmental agencies and corporations such as Google and Microsoft. Incredibly, 95 percent of school districts share their student records with outside companies contracted to manage the data.
If Jesus were to ever make contact with the likes of John the Baptist, he would have been flagged for surveillance because of his association with a prominent activist, peaceful or otherwise. Since 9/11, the FBI has actively carried out surveillance and intelligence-gathering operations on a broad range of activist groups, from animal rights groups to poverty relief and anti-war organizations.
Rather than being permitted to live as an itinerant preacher, Jesus might have found himself threatened with arrest for daring to live off the grid or sleeping outside. In fact, the number of cities that have resorted to criminalizing homelessness by enacting bans on camping, sleeping in vehicles, loitering and begging in public has doubled in recent years.
Had his travels taken him from community to community, Jesus might have been reported to government officials as “suspicious” under the Department of Homeland Security’s “See Something, Say Something” programs. Many states, including New York, are providing individuals with phone apps that allow them to take photos of suspicious activity and report them to their state Intelligence Center, where they are reviewed and forwarded to law-enforcement agencies.
Perceived as a dissident and a potential threat to the government’s power, Jesus might have had government spies planted among his followers in order to monitor his activities, report on his movements, and entrap him into breaking the law.
Jesus’ anti-government views would certainly have resulted in him being labeled a domestic extremist. Law enforcement agencies are being trained to recognize signs of anti-government extremism during interactions with potential extremists who share a “belief in the approaching collapse of government and the economy.”
Assuming Jesus used the internet to spread his radical message of peace and love, he might have found his blog posts infiltrated by government spies attempting to undermine his integrity, discredit him or plant incriminating information online about him. At the very least, he would have had his website hacked and his email monitored.
Had Jesus attempted to feed large crowds of people, he would have been threatened with arrest for violating various ordinances prohibiting the distribution of food without a permit. Florida officials arrested a 90-year-old man for feeding the homeless on a public beach.
Had Jesus spoken publicly about his 40 days in the desert and his conversations with the devil, he might have been labeled mentally ill and detained in a psych ward against his will for a mandatory involuntary psychiatric hold with no access to family or friends. One Virginia man was arrested, strip searched, handcuffed to a table, diagnosed as having “mental health issues,” and locked up for five days in a mental health facility against his will apparently because of his slurred speech and unsteady gait.
Without a doubt, had Jesus attempted to overturn tables in a Jewish temple and raged against the materialism of religious institutions, he would have been charged with a hate crime. Currently, 45 states and the federal government have hate crime laws on the books.
Rather than having armed guards capture Jesus in a public place, government officials would have ordered that a SWAT team carry out a raid on Jesus and his followers, complete with flash-bang grenades and military equipment. There are upwards of 80,000 such SWAT team raids carried out every year, many on unsuspecting Americans who have no defense against such government invaders, even when such raids are done in error.
Instead of being detained by Roman guards, Jesus might have been made to “disappear” into a secret government detention center where he would have been interrogated, tortured and subjected to all manner of abuses. Chicago police “disappeared” more than 7,000 people into a secret, off-the-books interrogation warehouse at Homan Square.
Charged with treason and labeled a domestic terrorist, Jesus might have been sentenced to a life-term in a private prison where he would have been forced to provide slave labor for corporations or put to death by way of the electric chair or a lethal mixture of drugs.
Either way, as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, whether Jesus had been born in our modern age or his own, he still would have died at the hands of a police state.
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Religion is the original way they used to control the masses
They would be in trouble, because they have stolen his teachings to lure people into satanism.
They can't lure anyone without using his teachings, nobody would join the cancer.
It looks and sounds very similar with one big exception, absent is the love for all of creation.
But since people are losing the whole mind and becoming robots, they wouldn't even notice him.
Chris Dakota: ….lure people into satanism
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Are you going to tell me to take my meds now ?
And does a link to my 27 weeks even mean anything?
Is this some sort of a union job where seniority equals truth?
lol
You seem quite concerned with your newbieness. It's OK. I've seen quite a bunch come and go from these halls.
Some were booted, some just went away by their own volition- all are missed.
Funny, ain't it?
Who is Marla Singer?
He linked my time here.
I was booted, so I am not that new.
lol
Who is Marla Singer? Who is Tyler Durden?
If they are simply constructs of an insane insomniac, are they real? Or not?
Not lol.
You know that they are very real for Edward Norton.
I believe that Marla Singer was not an imaginary...at least from watching the film.
I have not read the book yet so if you care to enlighten me as to the reason that you believe that Marla Singer was imaginary, if you do, then I'd appreciate it.
And Chris Dakota,
Escrava Isuara is a woman, as you are also a woman.
I say that b/c the whole damn story is a fiction written by a fellow named Chuck Palahniuk (sp?).
I can't speak to Chris or Escrava's gender. Is that important? If you come into fight club, you gotta fight.
27 weeks of Haldol followed by shock treatments?
27 weeks of sobriety?
WTF?
yep
The way Obama is going, soon no-go Muslim zones and Sharia law will be recognized in the United States. Which means Jesus would be classified as an apostate to the Muslim religion by the informal "religious police" in no-go areas and face the consequences.
Junction - Yeah seems to be heading that way. But let me guess, the usery will be permitted. That part of Islamic teaching forbidding it will not be discussed.
Religion is the original escape from domination by other people who like to think they are God. If I ought to obey God rather than men there is opportunity to stand against such oppression.
Here's a related question: Is religion the "cause of all the wars" or does mankind just love to fight, so even when obviously wrong by initiating force against others, he claims Almighty Justification?
Man is nothing more than an evolved ape with violent tendencies; take away religion and we'd find a new reason to kill each other... we love butchering each other.
When the gods made man, they created a weapon.
There is far more faith and far less evidence to support the notion that man evolved from apes than just about any other religion. There is zero evidence supporting the theory of evolution.
"far less evidence"....pfff. yeah, right...It certainly takes "faith" to look at all the ape skeletens, 100's, millions, of years old and see any resemblance to ourselves....but not ANYWHRE NEAR as much "faith as is required to "believe" a magic man in the sky just dropped us here out of nothing.
Please provide the evidence supporting evolution. (Hint: there is none).
While you're at it, please explain the origins of the eye, a single proven example of a new species evolving from another, and the answer to irreducible complexity.
Since the scientific world has not been able to do so in all of its existence, I doubt you will.
Waiting...
And once you've concluded that you cannot evidence evolution (which may take you a long time if you are a militant atheist), ask yourself why you believe it.
Ok fucknuts, you want proof? Well, I have no 'proof'. Where's your 'proof'? Yeah right, the Bible.
If that's all you've got as 'proof', then you've got jack shit nothing also.
That's the whole point, I can look at either one, and anything else, and say 'interesting'...and accept that all have merits... but your dumbshit ass can't believe anything that isn't in 'The Bible'.
Want to SEE forced evolution MORON?
Google 'genetically modified bacteria'... bam, there it is..slight change in the genetic code, DRAMATIC change in the creature produced... if it can happen that FAST, why can't happen more slowly?... yeah,yeah, I know, because it doesn't say so In the Bible.
New strain of bacteria is NOT a new species. That's the typical first failed argument of evolutionists. Remember, the theory is that SPECIES evolve from one another, not that mutations and new strains do. 0 for 1; try again.
You are also trying to make this a "this or that" debate. In your mind, if evolution is true, then God doesn't exist (that's actually the objective of the theory, btw). I just challenged you to show proof of your theory, and you can't help yourself but to attack the Bible. We can discuss the merits of the Bible separately, but let's just keep it focused on why you believe evolution is supported by evidence.
Deny, deny, deny.
Not a "new species" moron...just an example of how a change in the DNA results in a change of the animal.
You REAAALLY be-LIE-ve that over MILLIONS, 100's of MILLIONS of years, that all living creatures DNA remains EXACTLY the same?
Oh wait, the earth is only 4000 years old or whatever...never mind, yes, the Magix man in the sky put us here...feel better.
PS. Try again with your evidence too..."The Bible" isn't 'proof' of anything...except mans sadistic lust to control other men.
yep
I think anyone who supposedly "hears" god is honestly mentally deficient. Everyone invents their own god, even as christians. That's the whole "personal jesus" thing in my opinion. I think of it as like a multiple personality type disorder and it really worries me when people go on about that.
Religion is not the cause of war, it's just a really great tool to rally the ignorant masses. If your mind were a computer, religion would be the buggy, piece of shit OS (think Windows ME) chock full of security vulnerabilities and malfunction.
Everyone invents their own god, even as christians.
Those "invented gods" are called idols. They are everywhere. Christ was not invented by Christians.
The original way to control the masses was to brutalize and kill them. The problem though is you can't enslave dead people and the remaining living hate your fucken guts; so it's difficult to rule over them and enrich yourself.
In walks 'the magic man in the sky'... and the only way you can serve him is by serving me, because I'm closer to him than you are, it's says so right here in this book God gave me, that you can't read... and if you take a shortcut to escape your miserable life serving me (suicide) then you'll go to Hell... now let me Tel you Al about Hell.
>>>Religion is the original way they used to control the masses
There is indeed a subset of human beings who need no external control but, frankly, they are not a majority.
For the remainder of "the masses", you're pretty much left with the State's laws, or moral rules delivered through peer pressure. A (light-handed) religious pressure seems to me to be preferable to the State-as-God-and-Father-Mother, which seems to be the current alternative on offer. Obviously, religion can be used oppressively, and not just by Salafist fanatics.
Yeah, but- religion is in no way shape or form related to Jesus. Jesus may, in fact, be just an idea. Or, he may have been a damn stand-up dude who dared point out the utter absurdity of religion/empire/statism.
Furthermore, I think he would take great offense at being labeled Jew. Just my $.02.
Jewish scholars don't deny Jesus was a Jew born from the lineage of Abraham. He was of Jewish descent, but with non-Jewish blood (see Ruth). Maybe READ what is in the Bible (don't worry - you can still challenge it!)
And just to link the whole Jew-Christian thing together, the following are all in the Old Testament:
Brother, I am sorry if I offended your sensibilities. I have READ the Bible, the Quran, and the Nag Hammadi, but I think they're fulla shit.
Just my opinion.
All of that shit is made-up hocus-pocus but if you wanna base your worldview on fairy tales, be my guest.
the original totalitarianism.
It survives thanks to early branwashing of children / child abuse.
Once you trick chldren into believing in and fearing invisible masters - turning them into slaves is easy.
Of course you have to be an asshole to steal your children's future in order to try to justify your own delusion and irrational fear
"Christmas" in the White House:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/12/RIR-151218.php
and tax them
He would be living at home after recieving a degree in Religious Studies.
After 2 minutes of watching 'keeping up with the trashdashians', he'd join forces with the Money Changers; some things just ain't worth dying over.
They would definitely try to lock him up in a nut house and historically there is a great deal of abuse that takes place in those places. Any information someone claims to get from disincarnate entities that nobody else can see can cause one to get hauled in for an evaluation these days. That or a bunch of New Agers would get a hold of him and try to capitalize on his "channelings" by selling books or faith healings.
Jesus lays his head and his hands and proclaims "Father I cannot deal with these cruel idiots, its just too much"!
God comes back from his fishing holiday to find that since he's been gone (a few days in Heaven but centuries on Earth) things have gone badly. Looking at what he's missed, He particularly doesn't like the 20th century. God makes up his mind to send Jesus back down to Earth to remind everyone of his one and only rule - "Be Nice" - a rule that Moses decided to ignore and come up with 10 of his own.
Down on Earth, Jesus is 31 years old, in a band, something of a stoner, and being nice to everyone. And then one day "American Pop Star" starts looking for new contestants and Jesus decides to audition. What better way to tell people to "Be Nice" than on the platform of the biggest show on television? After getting accepted, there's a road trip to LA, the rise of Jesus as a music phenomenon, and the inevitable ending...
http://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-John-J-Niven/dp/0099592134/ref=tmm_p...
The is a HUGE difference between the nature of paranormal events that were reported to have taken place around Jesus and Moses. Jesus seemed to proceed blessing and Moses wrath.
I know one thing, Jesus would been posting here with us at Zero Hedge setting some people straight about honesty, integrity and most of all, truth.
...and that truth would have been delivered without using the f-word.
Fukushima?
Fukushima the great flood.
After all the shit we have done we ask how the Prince of Peace would be recieved?
But WE GOT HIS DAD!
ZHers ARE Jesus. Christ/Krishna/Buddha/<name your favorite magic dude> consciousness, brah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P350LNJYn4E
Happy Solstice, Dude.
Jesus had a lot to say about debt, slavery, and the rich. Hmmmmm.
Merry Christmas.
Any awake American knows exactly what would happen to Jesus today in the United States - absolutely no doubt.
He goes around blowing leaves into neat little piles and does your gardening?
You have a left-handed mind. Lucky man.
I am not worried about what America would do to Jesus,
I am worried about what Jesus is going to do to America.
If the US is 'the great city' or babylon(and im afraid we are) in revelations refereences, i don't think it's going to end well. Whoever is the reference being made, it reads like they are going to get nuked, Rev. 18.
hell he wouldn't get any better reception at most churches.
If the story is any indicaton of future behavior bankers probably wouldn't appreciate him throwing tables over on them either.
Is this church?
"Silent Night" at Hillsong Church.
http://sendvid.com/0fbgge7s
Somehow, I don't feel closer to God after that.
I...uh....got...through...uh...suffered....through...Fifty...Three....Seconds...of...uh....that...assault.
You needed to have a warning....a STRONG WARNING....that this was going to be offensive....very offensive.
Is this how it becomes so overtly perverse?
That is CRIMINAL. I want those fifty three seconds back!!!
jesus born today, sorry never gonna happen...
a single mom like mary woulda got a planned parent abortion 99 outa 100 times. and baby jesus would have been parted out liver here, kidney there...
truth er amen.
They would be looking down their noses at him.
Because he spoke an inconvenient truth. Love and forgiveness are the direct opposite of control and 'nuke' em idealogies.
Jesus is not a good poster child for .gov.
For example those two stupid islands in the South China Sea. Jesus would have given them to the Chinese and the Chinese would not know how to deal with generosity. That would be a good example. But the Japanese will probably start a war over some dirt no one wanted till the Chinese admitted a desire for them.
We could try some of Jesus teachings in real life today from the top down to see if it works. I did and can say on a personal note it does work but forgiving others does not always come easy, but is worth it especially knowing that I required it as angel I be not.
I love how the xtians claim Rome was a police state but neglect the other part of the story where hebrews order his death for being a communist.
Oh, and his mother was a cuckold for some other guys sperm, since it is quite impossible to impregnate a woman without sperm.
So Mary lied to Joseph and he helped raised it like a good cuck.
And this is a religion with many adherents. A billion they say.
Insane.
Who said Christians claim Rome was a police state? Just because the author said so, doesn't mean anything.
Jesus faced existential threats from Herod as a baby, and then the Jewish Pharisees as an adult. Rome was a non-factor. Jesus was crucified under the authority of Pontius Pilate, but only because the Pharisees put him up to it.
Exactly.
An angel met Pilate's wife the night before. Pilate didn't make the decision to crucify Christ. He left that to the Pharisees, then he washed his hands of the matter, as requested by his wife.
It's ok to not believe in Christianity or God, but if Jesus was the son of God like he claimed, it's clearly not beyond God's technical capability to conceive a child without sex.
Also the author he quotes at the beginning is mistaken when he says that Jesus came to setup a kingdom on earth. His goal was to teach, prophecize, and eventually be crucified.
The virgin birth stuff is a very simple mistranslation. It's amazing what a load of bollocks the church made out of it to maintain power.
The church was the matrix of it's day.. The big lie.
As a man from the Middle East in his early 30's, I'm sure the right-wing would welcome him warmly.
Jesus was solid brown; authentic Muzzy appearance...
If he were to come to the US and gather influence as in the past he would probably end up in the same boat as last time. Imagine what would happen if he went back to the ME. Imagine if he were to show up in Israel and speaking out against what is happening to Palestinians.... oh damn! What would the Sauds do to him? Apparently we haven't evolved all that much.
If ever a more rhetorical question was put forth then i've not been privy to it.
He would definitely be on the "No Fly" list.
Interesting concept but a strange article. The power of Jesus was not lightning bolts - but rather the ability to inspire others and change hearts. That power would still work today.
Maybe the 'beget' list would be shorter?
Who knows how'd he react to the money changers now.
He would drop kick them with great vigor into the abyss along with their ( unrepentant ) talmud-toting phariseeic forefathers.
"What If Jesus Had Been Born 2,000 Years Later In The American Police State?"
police would shoot him
and maria would be raped by local niggers after coming home form her job as a burger flipper
Jews seem to have done better here than most. When are the people of the world going to get over this religious drunkenness and step into the modern world?
I'm still working on this moderate Muslim theory. What about a moderate Catholic? Is that like a recovering Catholic? Maybe we need a new phrase like "recovering Muslim".
Or people could simply grow up, stop acting like children and admit that they are responsible for their own lives and decisions, not a ficticious god.
2 things....
1) Did Jesus ever actually WRITE anything, or was the bloke totally inept? Master of dictation.....I never read anything actually written...by JC
2) Where the Sam Hill was the man from age 20 to 33? That's 13 years...no account of Jesus - at large.
I have yet to find anything or anyone that can explain the above; all I get is some asinine "faith" bullshit as to the non-writing, and whimsical horseshit as to the 13 year gap. More bullshit and "belief" nonsense.
Holy shit. Why don't you crack open a book before opening your whore mouth?
Where the Sam Hill was the man from age 20 to 33
India
This:
The Lost Years of Jesus:
The Life of Saint Issa
Translation by Notovitch
Every beheading, rape, child marriage and goat fuck of Muhammad is recorded in the Quran .... of course the Muslims had the benefit of 700 years of advances in historical data collection ?
"2 things...."
Otay, since the biscuit looks so delectable, it's Christmas, and you asked so nicely, heresa sumptin to chew on for a spell, or two.
First, dictionary define the word, "Christ" and the word "Jesus" and also fully understand the root language from whence each word comes"
Contemplate the definitions as applied in modern terms, and real life.
Two...just for entertainment purposes only.:.
http://www.amazon.com/Aquarian-Gospel-Jesus-Christ-Philosophic/dp/087516...
Betcha ten cents the truest answers lie in the Vatican's underground library.
Happy Ho-ho and Merry Ha-ha!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT1fA59oH7Q
Jesus had some socialist tendencies .... he had no business running off the money changers .... he should have accomodated them in the rear pews .... of the tabernacle .... they assisted in the tithing process .... by making change for the tithers .... money changing is a legitimate free market activity .... Jesus was Jew rude to his fellow Jews .... otherwise, I like the guy and as you all know by now .... I defend Christianity and Judaism .... cape and sword against the wall, mother fuckers ?
Ugh. Your ignorance is depressing. Jesus didn't have a problem with money changers per se; rather, he had a problem with the fact that they set up shop inside the temple itself. They had been given an exclusive concession, such that both they and the temple elders profited at the expense of the worshippers, who were required to use them in order to make their donations and sacrifices. Kind of like how you are not allowed to bring beer into Yankee stadium, so you are forced to pay $12 per beer inside.
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the chairs of them that sold doves:
13 And he saith to them: It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but you have made it a den of thieves.
Matthew 21:12-13
If they were fencing stolen property .... throw 'em out .... if they hadn't paid their booth rent .... throw 'em out .... but selling doves and changing money is not thievery .... I think this could have been handled with more aplomb and dignity .... maybe they had grandfathered rights .... obviously, it had been permitted at one time .... I think Jesus set a bad example .... and now we have niggers shutting down shopping centers .... not cool ?
Hitting the bottle hard tonight?
No, but I am feeling feisty .... I think I'm a little miffed that there were so many articles posted .... and I feel like I missed out ?
Fiat money is the money changers,
Well, asuming he was a he this time, (many Christed beings in history and all ya know,) He would prolly be really angry, disgusted, and right on in here where the rest of the worlds real people seem to congregate doing as usual, minestering to those with eyes to see, and ears to hear, who have fallen off the natural track of how and who a soul grows up to be in this natural earthly Kingdom....maybe.
All souls grow or not according to the environment and stimui they receive in a lifetime. Is it a good raising, or an evil one?
One darn thing is for sure, when or if there were such a human being in this Time, He ain't gonna be no pussy when it comes to whippin the friggin evil money changers out of the babylonian govts, churches, Israel, wall street, MIC, and the halls of humankind leadership. Out with ALL the evil bad souls, and in with all the righteous souls from around the world...each country and human being keeping two things and adhering to two things. Keeping their free-will-choice and individuality, and daily adhering to the two basic Principles of ALL Religions.: Love thy God, and Love thyself. Easy peasy!
More Christmas blessings and may Love fill ALL your hearts, as well as ALL those around you that You actually care about. It is OK to Love thy neighbor, as you love thyself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtvtJxsbuc
Renting money is not evil .... nor is renting housing .... renting your wife is evil .... unless it's her idea ?
The problem with jews is that they love money, pornography, above all else, and they are kicked out of every land when they assume authority, and then whine about their fate, their Talmudist freakery. Whine when people reject their weird ways.
Jews are the only real minority .... 50 million blacks on pampered welfare .... is not a hardship minority .... I respect and admire them and like to support and encourage them .... they don't drink camel urine .... like the Saudis do ?
You need to learn humility, and be grateful that my Christian family gave you refuge when everyone else rejected you.
Get your affairs in order. My patience wears thin now after all your 20th century, 21st century wars for your sort.
You need to learn humility, and be grateful that my Christian family gave you refuge when everyone else rejected you.
Get your affairs in order. My patience wears thin now after all your 20th century, 21st century wars for your sort.
I know what your sort did and why you did it. Don't get angry. Get ready.
It would be really embarrassing if the Catholic church sent someone to have him exorcized. I have an Aunt that would probably be the one to call them and tell them they need to do so.
If Jesus overturned the Moneychangers' tables today, he'd be given life in Federal Prison and might even be bunkmates with Bernie Madoff.
Jesus overturned the money tables .... how about turn the other cheek .... I can't see Jesus acting out like Michael Moore ?
Jesus didn't take on the Romans.....
The story says he did, but most would not read it that way.
He put the soldier's ear back on his head and as the story be told he had a slew of followers who would have gone to the wall for him and I think Rome knew it. By re-attaching the ear he was telling Rome this is not what the fight was really about.
You know, it doesn't really matter much what would have happened if he had of been born in America today. What Jesus comes down to, like all the prophets (except Mohammed) is an idea, a faith, that one needs to hold fast to what is right even in the face of your own destruction, which is not an easy thing to even consider, let alone do. We are wired to survive, even in extremely degrading and brutal conditions, the hope is always there that somehow, you will get out, things will get better.
Reading ZH yesterday they presented a declassified document about the SAC plans for a nuclear war back in the late 50's. They had 1,100 targets lined up, including Moscow and Bejing. Now despite that insanity, somehow we made it through, thanks mainly to heros like Jack Kennedy and others who were prepared to go to the wall for their beliefs and stop the crazies.
In an 'us vs them' scenario, I know where I would be, regardless of my age. My only hope would be that if I was going to die, that it come quickly. If needs be I hope I always maintain the courage of my convictions. And I hope you do to.
Jesus Neve Existed. There wasn't a Nazareth for him to be born in, either.
It's all a 4thCE scam by Constantine.
Why worry about the identity of the messenger. Is it not a venerable message, regardles sof the identity of the one who comunicated it?
Because if the identity is a lie then what else is a lie?
History, Timeline. The Christ Figure.
Though I believe there are consequences wrt how we live our lives - especially when it comes to dealing with others - It's a fabricated Religion designed to control the masses and the Jewish under their Rule.
Yes he would be on this site but not posting comments.
Please try to understand a simple message: one child is every child. That is the essential message of Christianity and the Constitution. One soul is every soul. There must be a brake on power hungry men, and moneychangers, the insolvent self seeking ruined central bank cartel of liars, market riggers; the Pharisee.
Trade, yes. Dominance, no. The zionists and islamists are the same; haters.
David Koresh
Label him a cult leader, send in the ATF to burn him and his followers alive, sounds about right.
At some point in the near future anyone who wants to remain free will either kill or be killed by "government". Prepare mentally, physically and emotionally. It will be like Germans actually killing the Nazi government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXtBm5B2y2E
I saw three ships come sailing in on Christmas Day in the morning...
Bless all traders, and honest people.
Defy war, nasty nazionists, the City of London, its jewish cabal; its zionist vs islamist all for its own fakery, flooding Europe and the USA with refugees from the permanent wars made for the freak idea of a 'Greater Israel'; that vanity, narcissism, hate of all humankind.
Jews created Wahabism, the House of Saud; crypto jews.
I will remember how the oil men and nasty nazionists killed our Jack, November 22 1963, a coup d'etat.
"My house shall be called the house of prayer; but you have made it a den of thieves."
Roger roger, Buckaroo.
The world is the House of God, the House of Prayer, the House of Love. The evil money changers, aka banksters in a more modern terminology, have set up shop world-wide and therefore, have converted the entire world into a den of thieves, and murders.
The sad darn truth is, it is what it is and will not change as long as mankind holds up higher in value the money-god, rather than the fine and long well established tenants of Love (God). Until Love holds more value than the money-god, not much will change.
Plants the seeds of change, and they will grow.
Be a good gardener, and leaf stack blower! This is for you, Barry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0mgk0KgI0Q
"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."
Jesus was betrayed, and loved. He went willingly to do the right thing for the right reasons. That is the message of Christmas.
One child is every child.
Be strong. Be brave. Love for love's sake. Defy the moneychangers; the haters, the cynics.
One child is every child. Have no fear.
We have one life. Live it well, kindly, richly, bravely. No surrender to the dark side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c
Defy those who hate moneychangers .... there is nothing wrong with money ?
Monetas,
So here we are at Christmas. I understand your mind. You do not like me and mine.
It is the love of money that afflicts you, worries you, enslaves you. You are my kin, but I will tell you off. This is a family feud.
Happy Christmas.
Merry Christmas .... I defend the unjustly persecuted .... if someone can flatter and romance and giggolo their way through life .... more power to them .... but, the rest of us need money .... to facilitate our daily needs .... it represents something earned .... a store of value .... a medium of exchange .... it's as natural as salt .... do you hate salt .... that's not fair .... salt was money once .... the word salary .... comes from the Latin "sal" .... salt ?
Banning a specific group of people from financial industry is the right thing to do and we have been attempting to do this for centuries. Why? Because they cheat. Gaining great wealth from simply cornering the industry, holding, dispersing and exchanging money is highway robbery. Banking does not require a genius to pull off but it does require honesty. And honesty is missing, essentially obsolete in this special group of chosen people. Destroying the competition rather than provide a better product is their Mode of Operation, and they are willing to do whatever is required to destroy their competition.
That's a great description of socialists ?
Talent and hard work should be rewarded. It is my belief true capitalism could bring the entire globe into a middle class and upper class society. Elimination of the poor class and elitists could do this. I also believe every family should be sacred and encouraged to stay close by to care for young and old. I believe everyone has a hidden gift or talent they could profit from. Parenting classes should be mandatory. Central banking is a scam and should be eliminated before they eliminate us. Medical care should be free. Food should be affordable. Healthy lifestyles should be a choice with parks, gyms as plentiful as 7-11 Stores. I believe we would all get along if we returned to a polite society.
Song! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAGBndvUhZA I Believe Franka Potente
Why shouldn't the Jews love money .... it's one of their survival tools .... when living amongst oppressive, intolerant people .... I support Gypsies, too .... and persecuted Christians .... Coptic Christians and all of them .... you Jew haters are like a bunch of Muslims .... stoning a woman .... cowards ?
You know nothing about the history of the jews. You only know Hollyweird version of it.
Muhammad came 700 years after Jew Christ .... Muslims stole all the Jewish land by force .... they murdered their way to Indonesia and the Philippines .... to Spain and France .... to Northern Africa .... to the gates of Vienna .... they wiped out the Orthodox Catholic church in Constantinople .... the Coptic Pope wanders the streets of Cairo .... they want to destroy Jewish and Christian holy sites .... they have earned a nuking of Mecca .... they don't respect other religions' holy places !
Hollyweird lowly cartoon version of history.
Unable to afford housing the state would have recommended Planned Parenthood who would have convinced Mary to abort the 'fetus'.
Jesus and Mary were not homeless .... they were traveling .... and Motel 6 left the light on in the stable .... I thought it was compassionate to let them use the stable .... where they kept their valuable livestock .... Jesus and Mary were grateful .... it was a humble and grateful beginning for baby Jesus .... a beautiful thing .... a lovely story ?
Well, that Jesus would actually be sentenced formally is being optimistic. He'd like just be held indefinitely, or at least until he decided to flip his gender and sexuality. That is, if his car didn't drive itself into a palm tree and explode into ball of liquid thermite first. Maybe his last supper would have been spiced with polonium. You get the point.
OSHO is sort of a present day Jesus
He would certainly have a lot to say about the devil worshippers in government creating radical islamists to kill christians.
He would have even more to say about the church here going right along with it.
Irrelevant and blasphemous.
Not Necessarily in that order.
Well said.
Jesus probably looked like Osama Bin Laden .... who was an impressive, tall, good looking man .... with a modest procedure .... a noble countenance .... soft spoken .... they were both "crucified" .... of course, Osama had it coming .... Obama has it coming ?
Bin Laden, the House of Saud, and al Baghdadi were all trained in Israel, beholden to the Ratchild City of London, insolvent banks. Your pornograhic avatar is typical of the jews who are not jews, but are the Synogogue of Satan, the love of money and pornography. And war. War paid in the blood and money of others, not yours; nasty little nazionists.
My Avatar is in jest .... I don't encourage unproptected anal sex .... even "protected" anal sex is risky .... it is how AIDS and Hepatitis are spread ?
Monetas,
We are family if you are American. I am going to argue with you. Let's stay home, together. Not upset the rest of the world.
I think we have gotten into too many foreign military entanglements .... and we can't even protect the people at home ?
... on the other hand, he'd probably designate his ministry as a 501(c) (3) and be living very well next to guys like Joel Osteen ....
The deicide-deniers would kill Him again.
Yes, Virginia, the Jews Stole Christmas Kevin MacDonald PhD
Originally posted in 2012, this article gets at the Jewish ethnic angle behind the “War on Christmas.”
"Bad Santa" and Eli Plaut's "A Kosher Christmas" by Kevin MacDonald
[This article was originally posted on Dec. 24, 2013; it is a comment on an article that appeared inTablet on Dec. 17, 2013.Tablet has seen fit to repost it in 2014, on Christmas eve, so I thought I would repost my comment.]
Merry Christmas . . . NOT! Part 1 by Edmund Connelly
Merry Christmas Movies . . . NOT! Part 2 — Anti-Christmas Movies
Our good Jim. Happy Christmas and Hanukkah to you and yours.
Some Jewish Rabbis just declared Christianity .... a positive and friendly partner to Judaism .... I'm good with that ?
Who gives a shit. I don't worship a dead jew. Nor do I follow a Roman religion.
You'd think all these men who claim to be "free" would throw off the shackles of religion. Go figure.
Funny how much better things have gotten since the secular humanists started running everything everywhere.
I never said things would be or are better under secularists. Infact that has nothing to do with what I said. Nice try though.
Don't get me wrong but...
If he'd come today he could have reached a whole nation.
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication.
If he waited till today, there might not have been a today to come to.
That was profound, mademesmile. thanx
well said I see you are familiar with the old broadway play Jesuschrist Superstar...it alludes to just what you said..music and lyrics were spectacular..one can still see it on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVr2uks0C8
jesus is a jew fact
he claimed to be the messiah and was followed by some other jews
the chritian movement was a jewish sect
then the europeans stole the idea of christianity and added their filthy nonsense into the bible and changed the names
jesus never fulfilled the criteria to become a messiah according to the bible
the christian movement is therefore not valid
further we can see that there are christian sects spreading like grass
polak catolics, roman catolics, russian nonsense orhtodox church (which is copied from islam), german homosxual lutheranism, negro disco gospel, jehovah witnesses with one god insted on 3 in 1 god
if jesus would be born today he would be a mexican, because all mexicans are jesus now. and he would end up in a local clinic for the mental advanced ones.
the worst of the christian movement was, that it was spreading because it is addicting. so the filthy arabs saw the threath from christianity and created islam
now we have to deal with flith muslims and christians are partly fault and responsible for existence of filthy islam
if you are christian you have already forgiven me for what im saying but you have to take responsibility and kill the muslims
the greatest threat to christianity today are muslims
That is a Hollyweird, City of London Zionist version of the tale.
The New Testament rejected the old testament.
Your problem is that you have no respect for Protestants, the new Testament, the founding of the USA which has been hijacked since JFK was killed by moneychangers and oil men, the coup d'etat.
Don't get angry. Get ready. Get your affairs in order.
The USA will keep the Constitution and the guns. That troubles you, doesn't it. Good.
You are a Protestant troll .... why didn't you say so .... in the beginning .... this explains everything ?
any religion is lead by an intellingence to separate the nation, folk, race or whatever
thats why russian have a different christianity then polish people
its not about respect
if christianity would be something good i would be the first one who would promote it
and nice you try to add the founding fathers of usa to make me look bad
it only shows your mischief, as a christian you would already failing to be selected for paradise
i have great respect for free speech, free markets and trade and the permission to own a gun
+1 for the last two paragraphs.
Not on the reservation with you for the rest of it. But everybody has their own viewpoint of how we got into this mess.