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"Trump Voters Are Not Just Angry - They Want Revenge"
Authored by Frank Lutz, originally posted at The FT,
Outraged by what Donald Trump says? You are not alone. No high-polling presidential candidate in the modern era has so intrepidly drawn the ire of so many within the American electorate. And there remains no end in sight.
Yet in rendering one voting bloc utterly apoplectic, he has appealed viscerally to another. The balance of middle ground politics is not, shall we say, Mr Trump’s bailiwick. But America is no longer a middle ground country. We are already scared by our division — and it is getting worse.
The simple truth is, the more provocative his language, the deeper and more passionate his support. He is no dummy; there is a method to his proverbial madness. Mr Trump says — to the growing legions who will listen — what tens of millions of Americans are already thinking. Respect or revile him, the man has hit a vein.
I spent three hours in a deep dialogue focus group with 29 Trump supporters. The phenomenon of “The Donald” is rooted in a psyche far deeper and more consequential than next November’s presidential election. His support denotes an abiding distrust in — and disrespect for — the governing elite. These individuals do not like being told by Washington or Wall Street what is best for them, do not like the direction America is headed in, and disdain President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing partisans.
Trump voters are not just angry — they want revenge.
Mr Trump has adroitly filled the vacuum of vitriol, establishing himself as the bold, brash, take-no-prisoners megaphone for the frustrated masses. They see him as the antidote to all that Mr Obama has made wrong with America. So to understand why millions love Mr Trump so much, you have to take a step back and listen to why they hate Mr Obama so much.
Here, my Trump voter focus group was particularly illuminating. Some still believe the president is not Christian. Many believe he does not love America. And just about all of them think he does not reflect the values the country was built upon. Indeed, within this growing faction, Mr Trump has licence to say just about anything. As we have seen repeatedly, the more outrageous the accusation, the more receptive the ear.
Mr Trump delights in unleashing harsh attacks on Jeb Bush, the Republican establishment and the “mainstream media”. His childlike joy in ridiculing his critics is tantamount to healing balm for the millions who have felt silenced, ignored and even scorned by the governing and media elite for so long. Is it any wonder that his declaration of war against “political correctness” is his most potent and predictable applause line?
Straight-talking candidates are nothing new in American politics. From Ross Perot in 1992 to John McCain in 2000, from Howard Dean in 2004 to Sarah Palin in 2008, they rise like a rocket on the fuel of their seemingly fresh and unencumbered aversion to traditional politics. They purport to say what they mean and mean what they say — bucking established electoral trends and ruffling established political feathers. Then they crash. The media turn sour. The message grows stale. The electorate gets bored.
Mr Trump is different. The media attacks on him have been fast and furious. Yet he has defied electoral gravity because the blows are delivered by an institution that is distrusted and an elite political and business establishment that is detested.
Meanwhile, voters consistently tell pollsters like me that negative attacks do not work; they hate the ad hominem assaults. Mr Trump? He dines out on them. As his devotees see it, it is not Mr Trump going negative. It is him telling the truth. And when he fights back, he’s throwing punches on their behalf. He said something outrageous? “He’s simply raising an important issue nobody else has the courage to talk about.” He insulted someone? “That’s just him campaigning. He won’t do that as president.” He changed his position? “That was a long time ago. Everyone’s entitled to change their mind.” He doesn’t have many policy specifics? “He doesn’t need them. He’ll surround himself with smart people.” They will justify any action, explain away any contradiction, and dismiss any criticism because they are so personally and passionately invested in him.
And here is the prediction that will furrow brows on both sides of the Atlantic. Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under. Half will follow him out of the Republican Party if he breaks his promise and declares as an independent. For better or worse, his supporters will follow him to the ends of the Earth — or to the White House. Whichever comes first.
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I just have fun watching him drive establishment spokesfreaks like Michael Medved batshit crazy.
I am more amazed that there are people other than the free shit army who are cool with the way things are going.
And the more the jew media lies about him and calls him names, the higher his numbers go.
For starters reimbursement for all individual mandate penalties and imprisonment for all constitution violations! !!
It's like Kryptonite to Superman...'Trumptonite'? Watching the MSM and GOP lose their shit every time he opens his mouth is priceless...
When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
"Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!"
Samuel Adams, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton (first one to say it unknown).
The Donald appeals to what's left to the middle class that was 80% destroyed by Barry Soweto's socialist and racially divisive policies. Add in Pelosi' yelling at Seniors calling them "Nazis" and left-wing out-to-lunch case Reed, Barry's man Gruber calling Americans "stupid" and Eric "Fast & Furious" Holder's handing assault rifles to Mexcian drug gangs, and there's not many people I know who will vote for ANY Democrat for a long time.
IN fact, most of the Rep candidates also seem to missing the Big Picture of what's wrong with this country; it's what New Gingrich calls, "a complete DC disconnect from the American people."
Newt is correct. He (and Trump) see this clearly. The Donald is not a life-long career politican so he sees reality better imo.
Newt Gingrich? A corrupted and scumbag politician. Buddy, which 7/11 do you get your values? Sorry to say, but you’re more disconnected than the American people. Go get some help.
With Jackie’s (Newt’s wife) tireless and indispensible help, Gingrich ran three times for Congress as a “moral values” man before he was elected to his first term in 1978. His former campaign aides have told reporters that their efforts were made more complicated by the candidate’s philandering and indiscretion.
“It came as a complete surprise,” Jackie later told the Washington Post’s Lois Romano. “He walked out in the spring.” That September, Jackie, in the hospital for her third cancer surgery, had a visitor. Their daughters told her, “Daddy is downstairs.” But when he came up, Jackie told the Post, “He wanted to discuss the terms of the divorce while I was recovering.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/what-newt-gingrichs-three-wives-tell-us-about-the-president-hed-be/2011/12/31/gIQAd642UP_blog.html
Some socialist twit from Brazil, living around the DC Beltway should probably keep their nose out of this.
Nice try.
However, I don’t type with my nose.
By the way, I am not socialist. I am a Classical Liberal.
Are you now, then what is your opinion on gun control or "laissez faire economics" then?
"President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing partisans."
President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing parasites.
Fixed.
Trump is a jew. He's even speaking yiddish on national TV for christ sakes!
I'm basically a Rockwell style NAZI, and Trump doesn't smell like a Jew to me. If he is, as long as he's working for American interests, I don't care.
If you are pro-American, and pro-self-determination, I don't give a fuck who is in that office.
He says he's pro-American. Let's see if he is, because it better than known communists like Hillary and that international Jew Bernie.
lessee, a self professed GLW nazi expressing support for trump... so tar him by association? yep, i'm sure you're trustworthy.
Association? You say that like Trump and I are bathhouse buddies or something. Guilty by association, sounds very un-American to me. Almost like you were a communist or Jew sympathizer or something. You know someone that is not pro-American and likely a traitor. Someone that lives and breathes by the top-down dictation and the forced consensus through control of proapganda in the media. A bully, someone that deserves to get the shit kicked out of them any time they make a move against me with ill intent...
Probably more trustworthy than any of you by more than a mile. I've tried the polite version of German philosophy. I was spit on in return.
The Donald is going to abso-fuckin-lutely schlong the fuck out of Hitlery Rotten Clitface next November...i cannot wait.
The Establishment and Demoncraps also hate Trump because of his acts of kindness that they as political assholes can not match. For example saving this small Georgia family farm from the banksters in the 1980's:
How Donald Trump Saved a Small Georgia Family Farm (VIDEO)~"Outraged by what Donald Trump says?"~
Not half as much as by how the GOP in the House and Senate roll over like a bunch of owned cunts, Mr. Lutz.
Frank Lutz of Fox News fame is a political mechanic just like Karl Rove, but this time dressed up as a "pollster". As this election cycle winds on, Fox has come out clearly as being owned by corporate interests with a NWO streak a mile wide right up their backs.
Thank God that at least I have access to AON Netowrk via Verizon FIOS. Thank you also Washington Times. Thanks go out as well to Drudge Report, BadBluenews, ZH and Briebart. And lastly to you, my ZH bretheren for sharing your knowledge and opinions. Fuck you, Frank Lutz. No sale.
Donald Trump gets my vote because he told the Zionist Jews that he doesn't need their money!
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/12/04/report-trump-...
Even MSM and left wing mags like the HuffPo see Barry's destruction of the middle class:
Death of the Middle Class
The Sad State Of America's Middle Class, In 6 Charts
What's Speeding Up The Death Of The Middle Classhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/death-of-the-middle-class/
A cup of fat....and Paul Ryan's head.
I'm not hard to please...
Oh oh, Hitlery called Trump a bigot again, and a sexist!
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-bill-clinton-penchant-for-sexism-01...
That's rich coming from a professional life-long hate-mongering succubus married to a serial rapist!
Soon it's going to be a strict hard divide down the center of society. You can see it in my junks and upvotes already.
The Zionists have forced the issue onto the public and like many of us here, you will be forced into picking a side or getting pushed into a corner and slaughtered by the strong arms of the combatants. Everyone should be able to defend themselves by now, you've had almost 7 years to get ready FFS.
There is only one way this ends peacefully at this point, and that is for the internationalists and communists to back down and leave the nation or get smacked down enough times to make the point clear that they don't run the show here, we do... One involves violent war within our borders, and I know none of us nationalists want that... The other involves building friendly and peaceful communities and starting neighborhood watch programs and teaching firearm use and self-defense strategies within your community. Don't let the bullies push you around, they don't deserve your respect if they can't earn it without threats and use of force.
They know they've failed at winning it through subversion, which is why we are seeing the masses of #BLM communists rioting and starting violent confrontations everywhere. They are in our our malls, our airports, and everywhere else trying to force their agenda. They want us to fight back so they can justify handing everything over to the Fraud in Chief and declare martial law. The only way to win this is to not play their game, and practice good self-defense. Do not be the aggressor. Only defend what is worth defending, your family and your lives. If they start destroying your town, get out with your family and find somewhere safe to go. Do not shoot unless you or one of your loved ones is directly threatened.
Do not give these bastards any recourse to other actions, because you are not just representing yourself at this point, you are representing the freedom and integrity of all of us that want the America as it should be, not as they want it to be.
2016 will likely be a year filled with #BLM like aggression.
Yes, both "microaggression" and outright "aggression" which has been fueled by Barry, Holder, DeeBlazio, the Mayor of Baltimore, Al, Farrakhan, and their ilk.
I am surprised by some of those downvotes above some commenters are getting giving the facts:
30 Facts That Prove The American Middle-Class Is Being Destroyedhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-21/30-facts-prove-american-middle-...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-than-1000-unruly-teens-shut-down-kentuc...
So....something like this then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvaJwvu4Z6k
You're damned right that the GOP base wants revenge, especially after the snow job the GOP did in order to get the majority in Congress in Nov 2014... They told us what we wanted to hear, then fucked us by bending over on every Barry Soetoro initiative and spending spree... Fuck the GOP establishment, they are dead to me... Trump is the only vote for a true conservative in 2016, no matter what anyone else thinks or says... The ramped up rhetoric against Trump by all media, including Faux News only proves just how scared the establishment is of Trump...
Lutz is such a whore. Tried to get trump to hire him. Trump said no way. Lutz should get testicular cancer, suffer for a year, then die.
Tell us how you really feel. :)
Boner should have apologized and resigned alot earlier. Very lazy do-nothing fellow.
keyser is on point. the rushpublicans fucked us.
The elected corrupt career politician republicant turds betrayed the people who voted them in and lied as much as the fudgepacker. They all need their corrupt self serving skins sandpapered off buried in salt then thrown out in the middle of the Nevada desert with a can of Pennzoil. Fuk all the traitorous turds. That goes triple for the fudgepacker. Fukem all. Damn right I'm angry & want revenge. They took my business & job with their bullsht obamascare & I'm not eligible to join the FSA while they live grand imperial lifesyles funded by all the sucker US. citizen tax payers.
Again, I was never a socialist. Ever.
Gun: Great if you have. Bad if everyone else have. Gun control is counterproductive, in my opinion.
Laissez fare capitalism: Unattainable. Good as theory. Or, if we lived in a perfect world. A great example is 1945 Charter of the Americas that imposed laissez fare in Central and South America while the US never obeyed.
Here’s a quick laissez fare rundown; initiated by the US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxp_wgFWQo“#t=11m32s”
No doubt the "collapsed societal theory" of socialism is a bad idea to self identify with anyways but what exactly does this mean?...
"Gun: Great if you have. Bad if everyone else have. Gun control is counterproductive, in my opinion."
Why is it bad if "everyone else have"?
And what you witnessed in Central & South America was NOT laissez faire economics, it was crony-state monopoly enforced by a "domestic partner" who lined their own pockets (and other domestics...including family...through patronage).
Sorta like ObamaCare without the international isotope.
If everyone has a gun, you no long have the edge, especially if you face a good shooter.
South America crony capitalism IS A BY-PRODUCT of US policies in South America. US wouldn’t allow trade between the nations in South America. Brazil tried to developed better steel manufacturing but it was blocked by US manufactures. Brazil had high inflation and the US kept pouring more and more ‘fiat’ dollars exacerbating Brazilian inflation. And I could go on, but it wouldn’t matter because the US can do no wrong. Unless is a wrong that is accepted.
I wrote this before and I’ll write this again:
Brazil was a colony and never an empire.
Too much foreign capital looting its resources and labor.
Huge inequality.
Many internal issues, such as corruption and inefficiencies that will take time to solve.
All of South America has been a colony of the US empire since start of the Monroe Doctrine in 1832. Control has been maintained via CIA sponsored proxy wars and economic and financial weapons. The silly Cubans think the US will ‘play nice’. They will lose their country to the US multinationals and soon find US sponsored stooges running their government.
"If everyone has a gun, you no long have the edge, especially if you face a good shooter."
Guns are not "an edge", thats what you can't seem to understand. A gun is an equalizer. If you can't shoot you had better learn.
On economics, you just went from...THE MONARCHS OF PORTUGAL OWNING BRAZIL AS A COLONY...to somewhere else in Central/South America describing what I already SAID about intra-state monopolies (meaning nation states) "partnering with dictators" and domestic patronage which DOES NOT DESCRIBE laissez faire economics because as the label clearly say's, no force.
If you're sittin around thinkin GOVERNMENT LICENSED palm oil groves in Indonesia (currently) or banana groves in Honduras (in the past) is laissez faire economics you're even more thoroughly indoctrinated than I initially thought.
The really sad part is that she will wake up tomorrow dumber than today because she refuses to open her mind, admit her mistakes of logic and fucking learn anything. Fucking pitiful.
There is no such thing as pure laissez faire capitalism, true communism or socialism. They are socio-economic/philosophical models that are IDEALS. once humans get their dirty paws on them they don't function as intended or described. They're mostly based on soft science with a bit of math (some even sophisticated) mixed in to, again, try to describe how things should function in the real world
And they ALL fail in some way or another ..because not one is robust enough to withstand corruption by man.
The sooner humans realize this the sooner we can come with a system that actually works. In the meantime the powerful will always take advantage of WHATEVER system is in place - be it capitalism, socialism, communism, etc.. - and ensure the odds are stacked in their favor.
That so many ZHers can't accept that true laissez-faire capitalism never DID exist, nor will it EVER is as mind boggling to me as died in the wool liberals who think the government should control all aspects of our lives.
A free market works right up to the moment that some psychopath finds a way to hijack it. That's what happened to the money system. Club of Rome got it wrong: "The common enemy of humanity" is not man. It's psychopaths! They're like a subspecies, living among us, but not like us.
Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes
What are the two fundamental economic principles?
1:Competition including creative destruction/failure of the incompetent and/or unlucky
2:Profit motive and private ownership
These ideal principles are just as deep as those of natural selection and evolution or energy conservation in the natural sciences.
Only free market capitalism incorporates those principles so as the saying goes: "capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others"
+1 On the ball ersatz007
Pragmatism is what should drive any policy in the real world - even if it only works for a limited period of time - as all systems degrade over time.
Your ignorance is forgivable, but your repeated stupidity is not. You got owned in this one bitch, so just admit it already.
Yes, the US thoroughly emasculated the development of South American economies and promoted thuggish dictators removing moderates or those democratically elected but would not bend over for Washington. The US is probably the most destructive empire in history with a corrupt bunch of degenerates running the empire that make the leaders of the Roman empire look like saints in comparison.
Trumps mouth looks like a sphincter.
John Bolton tells the sphincter what to say. At least regarding foreign policy. According to Mother Jones, NeoCon maniac, John Bolton is Trump's foreign affairs adviser. I haven't seen anyone dispute / refute this. Meet the new Zionist warmonger boss, same as the old Zionist warmonger boss. Oh how far the ZH congregation has fallen. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
Hello DownVoters. Care to explain why it's OK for The Donald to take advice from John Bolton? Are you brainwashed? Are you Zionist ideologues who approve of John Bolton? Did Mother Jones make this up as a malicious smear?
?Who likes John Bolton, former UN Ambassador, Iraq War fake WMD advocate, nuke Iran advocate and Vicky Knudleman strange bedfellow? Who thinks John Bolton is OK and not more of the same that got us here, to the edge of WW III in the first place??
+1 Absolutely correct. Bolton has been on my shitlist for years since his days at the UN. He is now promoted as a ‘scholar’ in the pro-Israel lobby group, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). That should tell people everything they need to know about this zionist neocon piece of shit.
bah. Mother Jones. humbug.
I am a Classical Liberal.
-lol probably an eko-no-mist too....
Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedom.
problem is....
you do not seem to follow such definition..... hence...
iow... another kommie rat with a self-made label (to hide the real spirit)
fuck that shit
p.s. how is that 7 x 1 score against weltmeister deutschland working for ya....
Please enlighten us. What is the difference betwen a socialist and a classical liberal...?
Let me just say this: Trumps hair looks like a god damn load of bread!
Were you trying to say..., loaf...?
What a twit...
as df ghjkl
Look in the mirror, twit.
God
"Let me just say this: Trumps hair looks like a god damn load of bread!"
It's not nice to take your own name in vain. And please learn to spell
First...That word, name, means AUTHORITY. When ACTING as an AHENT of a person or institution, I act through their authority. I do the act...in their NAME.
Next...God is not God's Name.
My God's name is YHWH. The name of God in the flesh was JOSHUA CHRIST....although everybody calls Him Jesus to differentiate from the prophet Joshua who is prominent in OT writings.
Following that...Your legalism smacks of RITUAL JUDAISM or RITUAL Roman Catholicism...but I repeat myself.
And finally a typo, which is fucking obvious as the letter d is located to the letter f on the keyvoard does not negate in any way, SHAPE, manner or FORM, that Donald Trump's hair appears as a LOAF OF BREAD.
TYLER...PLEASE BRING BACK THE MATH CAPTCHAS and get rid of the idiots.
"Please enlighten us. What is the difference betwen a socialist and a classical liberal...?"
Polished labelling ie sophistry
Meat head is that you?
So am I and I applaud your stance on the lard ass from Columbus, GA. You spoke the truth, takes a real low life to divorce his wife on her deathbed. His Contract with America was nothing but a bunch of fluffy pabulum that the dumb no thinkers lapped up.
There aren't 3 of those 34 down voters know the def of a Classical Liberal. Maybe they will look it up and keep up.
I think I know where that nose is.
FORWARD SOVIET SPHINCTERS!
what is your definition of a classic liberal? Nowadays the definition is the free shit Army. Your party refuses to put forth a candidate that speaks to the traditional democrat. Your party has caused great harm and their narrative of division is dangerous to civilization.
Democrat party does not have, and has never had, anything to do with classical liberalism.
At least he didn't quote Chomsky's opinion of The Newt.
Well, you only have yourself to blame.
Let’s use Gingrich’s Cobb County. One of the 3 US counties that get the largest US subsidies.
Brevard County Florida, the home of the Kennedy Space Center. (State Socialism)
Arlington Virginia, effectively part of the Federal Government. (State Socialism)
Cobb County, Newt Gingrich’s conservative constituents in their wealthy Atlanta suburb. (State Capitalism)
Cobb County receives more federal subsidies than any suburban county in the country, with two exceptions: Arlington Virginia, effectively part of the Federal Government, and Brevard County Florida, the home of the Kennedy Space Center. When we move out of the state system itself, Cobb County is the leading beneficiary of the “nanny state.” Its largest employer is Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company, which is designing the F-22 advanced tactical fighter and other military aircraft. 72% of the workforce are in white-collar jobs “in expanding areas of the economy like insurance, electronics and computers, and trade” — all carefully tended by “the nanny state.” It’s remarkably easy for conservative entrepreneurial values to flourish while one is feeding happily at the public trough. Meanwhile praises to market miracles reach the heavens, notably where “conservatism is flowering among the malls.”
http://chomsky.info/199505__/
Again, well paid & pensioned government employees live in Cobb county, they don't live in downtown Atlanta.
Nassim Taleb author of The Black Swan, seems to be supporting Trump on Twitter.
Now he's starting to defend the Trump phenomenon, not by outright endorsing him or anything like that, but by going on the attack against his moronic and dishonest detractors. He's also started pointing out how there are lots of folks in polite society who may not be open about their support for Trump, but will confess it after a few Christmas party drinks. A recent poll among Taleb's Twitter followers shows 59% support for Trump, with 46% willing to admit it without having to imbibe any Christmas party drinks.
His recent efforts to really go to bat for The Donald seem to be related to Putin's favorable words about Trump, and Trump's reciprocation, hinting at a future where America and Russia are closer to being allies than enemies, particularly over foreign policy in the Middle East. Taleb is even more open about his man-crush on Putin, whom he says many Christians of the Levant, like himself, see as a protector of Orthodox Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean.
http://akinokure.blogspot.ca/2015/12/nassim-taleb-slowly-converting-to-t...
very well put....
imagine a USA free of the current cockroaches who have slowly but surely destroy this country from the original idea, partnering with the russians to keep on growing....
there is more common gtound between russia and the USA than ANY muslim country dead set on following a mentality more in line with the 8th century .... PARTICULARLY enhanced by the MSM morons and led my the traitor muslim @ the WH
Yeah, I know. Nice dream. Now go look up John Bolton.
Bernie Sanders Zionist Jew Shapeshifting Warmonger.
Another con like Obama, he supports Israel bombing of Gaza.
He supported the war in the Balkans.
He would continue Obama drone attacks.
Supports boondoggle F35 because it is made in his state.
Screamed at his constituents over their Gaza support, told them to shut up and sit down
then threatened to bring police at a town hall meeting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BTMK9c1XE
Town Hallers Feeling the Burn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf2cCdgwgoM
Great discussion of Warmongering Bernie Sanders and personal friend of Hitlery and stooge of the Wall Party of Wall Street. But John Bolton is Bernie on captagon with his yamaluke on fire.
Btw, "nobody confronts Bernie on Foreign Policy."
I agree with you wholeheartedly the nmewn, but newt is a D bag.
I'll enjoy punching the Chad for Trump, if only to express my disdain for Hitlery/Hilarity whatever they're calling her these days.
I can't see any informed "classic liberals" voting for Hillary either.
Wrong!
Classical liberals vote. They are engaged. They know and understand power. Trump won’t fool them.
"Classical liberals vote."
I am glad that classical iberals are taking advantage of using the suggestion box for slaves.
Fuck Newt, he sold out to the Deep State long ago on "manmade global warming", if anyone thought I was defending him they're dead wrong.
The standard practice of the left is to have someone defend the indefensible.
Mine, was an attack on government emloyees working in Atlanta and having their paychecks deposited at their neighborhood banks in...Cobb county. Perhaps our Brazillian friend can enlighten us on how well these government employees tip the college educated waitresses in downtown Atlanta for their lunches ;-)
"I'll enjoy punching the Chad for Trump"
Just make sure it isn't hanging.
Trump is just an evil bitter man.
I get very uncomfortable when he does a speech because I know he's going to spew some form of hate...
God works for MediaMatters?
FORWARD PROPAGANDIST SOVIET!
If you aren't filled with hate, or at least rage, then you aren't paying attention.
well, looks like i agree with you on something. Newt gingrich is a complete scumbag. how millions of people could support him is beyond me. Its kinda funny though, a friend of mine back home was a diehard 'Newt' supporter last time around, had the sticker on his car and constantly posted his shit on facebook. He is now a big trump fan. Don't know if he has a trump sticker on his car and I deleted my FB account so I have no idea if he is posting trump stuff all the time, but he isn't the only person like that I know. Trump most definitely has pretty much every former gingrich supporter in his camp now.
Great.
But be prepared for lots of down votes. I mean, a record for you.
Ooops. Someone needs to check their premise about downvotes.
4 wheel, I'm sorry to say, "There's Never only One Roach."
The gubmint [as well as the VA hopsitals] are infested with them.
BTW: Barry has doen zero to correct those roach-infested VA hopsitals and disastrous administration. In fact, VA execs and admin people got huge bonuses under Barry!
Veterans Affairs pays $142 million in bonuses amid scandalshttp://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/11/11/veterans-affairs-...
Bonuses? More like hush money.
Trump must be prettttttyyyy baaaaad if all those Newt supporters like him.
How do you feel about what Hillary did to the women Bill Raped.
Now there's a subject that you can't get anyone to discuss. Unfortunately.
Diana West just did in discussing her endorsement of Trump, I think it was. Blistering criticism.
As you have said yourself, their is no God or sky fairy. Therefore, a smart person does whatever they wish as their are no consequences at the end of the road. The end justifies the means. Newt is just getting the most he can in the short time he has on this planet. When he dies, then that will be the end of him. Based upon you own philosphy, we should all jusy make up our own right and wrong.
Why are you always so angry?
So you only refrain from, say, raping your children, because there might be consequences?
I refrain from raping my children because 1. I don't have any inclination to do so, and 2. because, even if I had that inclination, it would be the Wrong Thing To Do. I don't need no Sky Fairy's opinion of the subject to make up my mind.
Who is more moral? You or me?
Aren't you from that shit-hole bed of corruption Brazil?
Shut the fuck up then.
did y'all miss da clevah "New Newt Gingrich" thing? kinda' crative...so I geb him a up arrah...
If you honestly think that this is all barrys, pelosis and reeds fault then you either pick and choose what you read here on ZH or have poor reading comprehension. The raping of the middle class has been decades in the making - by those who purport to be on the left and the right butin all reality are beholden only to the elite who pull the strings. Those elite are loyal only to money and power - not the the USA or any nation for that matter.
While I understand why trump resonates with people and certainly on many points he does with me, I don't trust him namely because he thinks snowden is a traitor and I am not entirely convinced he isn't just saying what the people want to hear but has no real conviction to change anything.
Nuke Gaingreen? That DC lifer?
The problem we currently have is that government believes we fear them. So they make every effort to increase that fear. What government doesn't realize is that we abhor them, and their efforts to increase fear makes our abhorance even greater. To the point that we're going to have to collectively elimininate the lot of them.
It's not fear of government that keeps us on our keyboards/asses. It's shocked disbelief and abosolute disgust. We're still absorbing the repugnance displayed before us and are mentally deciding how best to excise it, destroy it, and never allow it to grow again.
Past all that PC shit, I'm ready to start shooting, making nooses and holding ropes. At most, throughout our entire country, there's probably 200k people worthy of a public lynching that are in government (this doesn't include their protective services who are not necessarily lynchworthy. Yes, many of them will have to die in an assault, but let's try to minimize it, they are cannon fodder, dead asleep, who have no guilt attached other that they were assigned to guard some elite pedophile.)
And, yes, FBIGUY, come back to my door and I'll explain it again.
Yes, scripted drama is alway entertaining.
Sheesh Franky Luntz! You have been promoted to Captain Obvious First Class.
But given your collaboration with Fox News after the first debate I have to imagine this article is just an attempt at trying to make people think "Oh darn we won't win with Trump just saying things to make people mad"
Well guess what? It's not the fact he makes people mad. It's the fact he isn't bullshitting. And it does not hurt it all comes out of a place called Common Sense.
As for myself, yes I want revenge and I want fucking socialists to tremble in absolute terror every moment not knowing when Trumps Troops will knock on their door to check for compliance on the imputed value tax that he will sign into "law" on solar panel batteries and those little curly light bulbs and those fucking low flush toilets or when that letter from the IRS comes in the mailbox from "rogue agents"...I want everyone to think of me.
Oh, bet your ass I want revenge.
And no more tofu or arugula...that will be banned by the new FDA "czar" and every prog (we know who you are fuckers) will be FORCED to buy an AR15 or an AK47 for "the common good" and buy 1,000 rounds a year and declare it on your tax form...we will be checking, keep your receipts.
Oh, bet your ass I want revenge.
And it will be sweet.
okay lighten up Francis (stripes)... we understand the sentiment
And agree
i just want the FSA to submit to drug testing to keep getting their loot.
you believe it'll all be well, when they all sobered up? Carefull what you wish for.
And the biggest fsa still is the bankster/corporate scum, imho.
a better start would be for the corporate looters. bigger money there.
along with a DNA kit for cross checking other crimes.
I too want revenge...
.......and to watch the whole fucking system burn.
I want to ban drug testing and all free shit, then I don't see a reason to care. It's called freedom OF and freedom FROM. That's Classical Liberal thought.
It's illegal to shoot up but perfectly legal to kill yourself. Typical control freak mentality.
Im all for drug testing of the FSA provided FSA also includes our elected officials and the myriad of wall street fucks that are the beneficiaries of my tax dollars.
There's so many parasites and so little time.
i just want the FSA to submit to drug testing to keep getting their loot.
Juat add MurineTM Eyedrops to your urine.
It must be that brand. It is that simple.
Now just what is Drug Testing worth?
I already teach this to those on probation.
It keeps them out of the cage so that they may do you some more damage.
Im not sure if ou are kidding or not, but the LAST thing I want to see happen is "trumps troops" going around and doing anything. Id probably be on their list too, not because I am a prog but because I am a libertarian. If you don't think we would be on the naughty list just as much as the lefties if most of these republicans actually got to do that, you are dreaming.
As for me, I don't want revenge. I just want to be left alone. Revenge isn't neccessary, either. Despite the governments attempts at ridding the world of market reality the last few years, it will make a comeback eventually. Its mathematically impossible for it not too. Those who you would want revenge on will be the least prepared for the hardships and will mostly be wiped out anyway. no need to get all authoritarian with it, as these things have a funny way of working themselves out.
I'm-Not-Kidding.
You see it's like this, we live among people (surely you have observed) who think they are entitled to a part of your labor by simply breathing and they take twisted enjoyment in having .gov come around and jail you, fine you or otherwise force you to comply.
We also have "folks" who think some kid from Alabama's main purpose in life is to die in some fucking desert.
And of then of course there is the standard deviant prog nutcases who believe they have some say in what you (as an individual) think, say, read, drink, smoke or eat but they are perfectly fine with whatever Clinton or Bloomberg or Soros etal thinks, says, reads, drinks, smokes or eats.
No, I'm-Not-Fucking-Kidding.
They want a statist utopia where the force of government is brought down on "individuals" they will have it, just not the way THEY WANT IT.
"They will justify any action, explain away any contradiction, and dismiss any criticism because they are so personally and passionately invested in him."
Frank baby, where was this type of characterization of the brain dead obamabots? Frank, we don't want revenge we want change don't make us get it the hard way Frank.
I get that, and you are right, and yes, I have observed this. But I just think the revenge part is dangerous. Nature and reality will take care of these people, sending out brown shirt-esq goon squads isn't neccessary, and it takes a step backwards if the goal is maximum individual freedom. and surely you don't think that people "who think some kid from Alabama's main purpose in life is to die in some fucking desert" don't make up a large portion of trump voters, I assure you, they do. Many/most of these people aren't libertarians in hiding, they are just outright authoritarians of the red team.
you are right, those people are dangerous and evil, but they will get theirs in the end. Are YOU, personally, going to participate in rounding them up? I hope not, or Ive badly misjudged you.
I will and you have indeed misjudged me.
They had every opportunity in the world to come back into the fold of our societal structure, our common understanding of "law" & rationality and to amend the damage done. It was all around for them to see, a blind-deaf man could see it. It's not what they wanted, at all.
They didn't and now all the begging, crying and pleading won't help. Let the record show I'll do what needs to be done and I'll do it freely & willingly.
Christmas is over.
@nmewn what exactly needs to be done? reality will catch up to these people. nothing really needs to be done except let nature run its course. Do you really want to give such powers to a government? rounding people up like that? do you really want to participate in such a thing? yes, I agree, they are horrible people, but ceeding such power to any governmental authority will end badly, one way or another, for everyone. Only reason Im even still having this discussion is because I think you are smarter than that. Stop taking care of such people, step back, and watch it unfold. that i all. You risk becoming what you claim to despise
gotta agree with you carl. most libs get these two questions from me. "do you own yourself", and "why do you want to further empower a government that will be in the hands of your enemy in a few years."
on the other hand, this may be a case where all politics are indeed local.
"why do you want to further empower a government that will be in the hands of your enemy in a few years."
that, right there is the crux of the problem. Any power you give to the government to do things you want done will still be there when someone else is in charge. It could just as easily be goon squads rounding up libertarians, conservatives, etc. No matter what you want to see happen, empowering the government to make it happen is never a good idea
Irrelevant whether people "...want to further empower a government..." or not. It's going to get further impowered ad-infinitum.
Only possible way of disempowering it is by walking away from it.
Take Rome as an example. The Senate was completely out of control and had way too much power. So it needed fixing right?
Along came Caesar, then Augustus.
THAT'S what you are looking down the barrel of America - don't fucking kid yourselves. Trump will be an even bigger dictator than Obama.
You can't stop it. Even if you had the firepower you'd only set up an even more centralised state to "stop them from having it".
There is only one true way to disempower a state - LEAVE IT.
So pick your sides, Trump or the Hillderbeast. Just remember, neither is going to stop this monster from growing in power.
If you don't like that I would advise voting with your feet and bailing on the US altogether.
I ask Libs this kind of question and they all pretend they don't understand if they can't find a way to change the subject.
FORWARD PHILOSOPHIC SOVIETS!
Yo!
I'm all with you as long as they take that rayciss food out of the univeristy cafeterias --"Mexican" food ... "Vietnamese" eggs rolls ... "Chinese" noodles....wtf! before long they're be calling sausage, "Polish!" and sauerkraut, "German" and pastry, "Danish"...
And while you're at it, change the names of those buildings! ... and move all those statues off campus and ... and.... and... so on and so forth.
nmewn - civil war - coming to a reality near you. an all-in move better have a follow up plan. these things tend to eat themselves - and your intellect and person would be a poor sacrifice. know what must follow what appears to be next, lest we find a dark age waiting for us to blink.
You see it's like this, we live among people (surely you have observed) who think they are entitled to a part of your labor by simply breathing and they take twisted enjoyment in having .gov come around and jail you, fine you or otherwise force you to comply.
A mixture of truth and sophmorism.
How much labor is in modern goods and services? Energy comes from the earth, minerals come from the earth, smart machines and robots help make goods.
Labor is a diminishing component in an economy.
Lately goods come from China, the U.S. uses their labor to get wage arbitrage. This wage arbitrage funnels into wall street and captains of industry.
Think of the wage arbitrage as welfare for the rich.
Welfare for the rich far exceed transfers to the poor.
Just because you feeeeeeeeel something emotionaly, doesn't make you thought process acurate.
You see the poor and you feeeeeeel they are a free shit army, and you look at the rich and you feeeeeel like they earned it honestly.
And when all of the earth is owned by a just a few people, will you finally recant?
Twenty people own about half of the U.S. now.
They earned that honestly with labor? I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
Perhaps I haven't made myself clear (at least to you).
"Twenty people own about half of the U.S. now."
LAW is a very simple construct, those twenty people (if I were to even accept the number prima facie) OWN...a paper, which gives them title through current law.
When the law died (as it has) they now own actually ...nothing in my view. See how simple that was? They are now squatters.
That's what "law" actually is, just ask Hugo or Mao or Hitler or Stalin or Castro about "law"...lol.
so are we to now regress to the point where we interpret the law in the same maner as hugo, mao, hitler, stalin?
end the fed. that is the engine they use to rob from us all. without the abiity to 'legally' counterfit money like that, none of this would have occured. take away that engine, let the free market run its course.
What about taking back what was obtained immorally? Should not riches and titles be stripped from these criminals?
How about their lives as well? Why stop at half measures?
When the law died (as it has) they now own actually ...nothing in my view. See how simple that was? They are now squatters.
Living with Negative-Anarchy is a bitch isn't it? No laws are observed to restrain the wealth power, yet they posses all the force to impose unlawful takings from you and I. The anarchy of a man with a gun and a man without it deciding who will do the labors of society is all to real.
You can do it your own way. If it's done just how I say! - Metallica, Eye of the Beholder
I get your sentiment totally. I think the ones you speak of will become totally unhindged if there's any hint of a non-hitlary candidate getting in and undoing this grandious utopian nightmare we've been living. Remember "we're the ones we've been waiting for". The progs will not go back into hiding because they smell blood in the water.
Merry Christmas and pass the ammunition:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text
Whose blood will the progs be smelling in the water? When they smell it has their own, they will disappear.
second your cold anger and desire for REVENGE.... 100%
cannot wait for these entitled mentality lazy bastards to get their due....
and better yet.... it will be very joyful to see these damned psycopaths go to jail
starting with hitlery clintoris.... and on down the line with rest of the traitors
Fuck jail - I want to see piano wire and a fucking lamp post.
Good to see another geniune libertarian on here. The only thing is that I am okay with a Trump presidency because he doesb't seem like he will start WW3.
Not revenge, justice. You certainly do want justice. Without justice they will never leave you alone.
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Sorry, I want to curb stomp it to death. There will always be authoritarian psychopaths, the only thing they fear is someone to put them and their families in harms way. It is then imprinted indelibly in their brains. Talk doesn't bother them.
LMAO !!! Pretty good and thx !! I know u r ready as I. Squeeze that MF trigger
Oh yeah baby! All college freshman must watch Animal House. If you don't laugh........you watch it again! Then it's Blazing Saddles. That's right Snowflake, the Sheriff is.......near. See, life was a whole lot better before you SJWs took the humor out of EVERYTHING!!!
"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
---Martin Niemoeller
"First they came for the Communists"
At least they had their priorities straight.
It would be a hell of a change from SOP, wouldn't it?
that confounded obfuscating quote - they were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS - just the other gang looking to make more slaves for the sociopaths in charge. there were different in method, but not in kind.
The domestic dispute is well known. But not everyone giving them a dose of their own medicine would necessarily be on the national side of the house. Historically, it would have been atypical (and delectable) to see this set of bullies at least, get theirs. It hasn't happened: nobody's yet come for the communists. That's the irony.
Nice little quote but the nazis were backed by the industrialists and zio-banksters.
The real genocide occurred in Russia where the zio-Bolsheviks murdered 25 million Christian Russians or in Vietnam or Iraq or Syria or Cambodia.
Freddie you can't possibly be a John Bolton fan. If John Bolton is Trump's foreign affairs advisor, what does that say about Trump?
He's fired?
Indeed. In my book anyways.
True to form, the shiftiest of the shifty, know 'uncannily' how and when to change horses. If Bolton's about, then so is The Hex. He must figure President Trump is on the horizon and getting a jump on inside influence is an imperative. Just one more triffids infestation.
The Muzzies will come for you in the night and no one here will care wee ewik... Go pump crimmigrants and multiculturalist death cults somewhere else..
""First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
---Martin Niemoeller"
Sounds like Martin didn't join the team in time. When in Rome folks.
"First they came for the Communists..
Then they came for the Socialists and trade unionists...
Then they came for the Jews..
Then they stopped coming, because the problem was solved."
-Kobe Beef
Anti-arugula is classic divide-and-conquer mentality.
Tofu however...Where's the fucking petition? I'll sign to eliminate that shit right now.