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Furious Coal Baron Lashes Out: "Obama Is The Greatest Enemy I've Ever Had. It's Beyond Personal"

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Robert Murray is no fan of Barack Obama. 

Murray, you’re reminded, is the CEO of Murray Energy. Earlier this year, the company laid off 21% of its employees, with the majority of the cuts coming in West Virginia, which was staring down a $195 million budget gap thanks to the slide in coal prices.

Around two months after the job cuts, Murray spoke to Republicans at the Lincoln Day Dinner and let it all out. The 75-year old told lawmakers he was “righteously mad” at the President, who he says is on a "bizarre personal and political" quest to destroy not only the coal industry, but the entire country. “Radical environmentalists, liberal elitists, [and] Hollywood characters" aren’t helping, he added, for good measure. 

As SNL wrote at the time, "Murray said President Barack Obama's administration has issued regulations that illegally bypass the states and their utility commissions, the U.S. Congress and the Constitution in favor of putting the U.S. EPA in charge of the nation's electric grid." Here are some other notable quotes:

"Thus, these people are prohibited from working and fall to the negative side of the economic ledger for the rest of their lives. This is not the America that I have always cherished. Well, I am obviously not giving up. Nor should you. We have the law, science, economics, cold hard energy facts and the Constitution on our side. Our cause is right. It is right for the coal industry and our communities and America. We must continue to do whatever we can to overcome the insanity of our current government."

Well, lest anyone should think that Murray has deviated from his position in the five months since those comments were made, Bloomberg is out with a new piece which highlights just how steadfast the coal baron truly is: 

At a time when the U.S. coal industry is beset on all sides -- by environmentalists, by regulators, by the economics of shale gas -- Murray has positioned himself as King Coal’s warrior-in-chief. And his main antagonist is the country’s commander-in-chief.

 

He calls Barack Obama “the greatest enemy I’ve ever had in my life.” His fight with the president, he says, has gotten “beyond personal.”

 

Since Inauguration Day in 2009, Murray Energy Corp. has filed no fewer than a dozen separate lawsuits against the federal government, more than any other U.S. coal company. Murray, the man, is trying to beat back Obama administration regulations, which he says are strangling his industry. Someone, he says, has to try.

 

Coal is his life. At 16, he went to work at the coal face to support a family fallen on hard times. His father had been paralyzed from the neck down in a mining accident seven years earlier and his mother was stricken with cancer. “I know what it is to be poor,” he said.

 

Today he’s responsible for a company with 7,500 employees digging coal out of 13 mines in five states. Not surprisingly, he’s no big fan of the recent Paris climate agreement, dismissing it as “a meaningless fraud that will have no effect on carbon dioxide emissions.”

 

“There’s no question that Barack Obama and his Democrat supporters constantly, daily, pick winners and losers depending on who supports them and their politics,” he said, his voice rising. 

 

Murray has asked judges to void the president’s marquee plans for curbing mercury, carbon dioxide and ozone emissions and vows to challenge pending rules designed to protect streams from adverse mining impacts.

He was also at the forefront of a suit launched last year to overturn the EPA’s Clean Power Plan before it even hit the books -- a gambit rejected by the court as premature, twice. He sued the EPA again when the Clean Power Plan was officially published on Oct. 23. That was one of three challenges he filed over an eight-day span, including bids to quash the EPA’s carbon capture and ozone reduction rules.

 

The bulk of the cases are still pending, but so far losses outnumber victories.

 

“They haven’t won anything,” said the NRDC’s Doniger. 

 

Either way, Murray intends to keep up his courtroom counter-attack. Told that Peabody Energy Corp. the biggest U.S. producer, sues at nowhere near the same rate, he replied, “nobody does. The rest of the industry put together doesn’t.” “They don’t have the money,” he said. “And I don’t either.”

Maybe not, but as we noted back in July, Murray does apparently "have the money" to take advantage of the industry downturn by snapping up weaker players.  While laying of 1,400 employees, the company has simultaneously spent at least $4.6 billion (enough to pay the annual salaries of 54,120 West Virginia coal miners, according to data from the National Mining Association) in the past two years acquiring competitors. 

One wonders how many of the company's now jobless workers could have been retained with the money Murray is spending to send high priced lawyers to tilt at windmills in the courtroom. 

In October, Murray was fined $5,000 by the FEC for violating election spending rules when he spent $22,000 buying signs that read "Fire Obama." 

 

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Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:23 | 6971528 Francis Marx
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Funny? there is probably 250 million other americans saying the same thing right now..

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:26 | 6971537 InjectTheVenom
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gee, i think i know who Mr Murray (and tens of millions of other fed-up Americans) are voting for next November....rhymes with jump

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:35 | 6971560 El Oregonian
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Durrrr.... It only took 7 years to come to that conclusion, Mr. Murray, the Sherlock?

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:37 | 6971582 quintago
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Why the hell was he fined $5K for buying signs saying Fire Obama? Obama is not even running for office, so what election campaign were his "contributions" in violation of?

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:49 | 6971633 Kprime
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Just think Nazi .gov.  Hitler put on some black face and came over the border to rule america.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:32 | 6971814 City_Of_Champyinz
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“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

-Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:07 | 6972125 johngaltfla
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Hey, UMW (United Mine Workers) union...how did that blind support of Obama and the Democommies work out for ya?

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:17 | 6972370 HamSandwich
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I read the title as "Furious Coal Burner Lashes Out At Obama"...thought "wtf did I miss?!?"

Alas, this isn't /pol/...yet

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:40 | 6972401 ZD1
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Did most working coal miners support Obama? Probably not. More likely it was UMW president Cecil Roberts and his Democrat cronies?

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:44 | 6972446 johngaltfla
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1st election yes. Re-election? Uh, no, they were unemployed.

CSX rail union members are now somewhat against the regime also as the coal trains are shorter and the need for employees and additional runs on those sections of their rail service are all but gone.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:12 | 6972143 lincolnsteffens
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Yeah, I would have thought that was free speech but maybe it was election season. If it had said impeach Obama he might have gotten away with it. W. Virginia is so utterly screwed now. I'm no fan of coal but I feel for those hard working people with little to spare getting pissed on.

If he doesn't get some exercise and change his diet he'll never live long enough to see if he wins in court.

I don't know if State's rights come into this but since the States all want hand outs from Uncle Sam they will not take up the battle. Therein lies the shame of it all. When gov. makes you a sweet offer you will usually suffer for it. Don't take the offer.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 03:23 | 6973249 Fed Supporter
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The Federalist No. 45 Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered Independent Journal
Saturday, January 26, 1788
[James Madison] ...... Several important considerations have been touched in the course of these papers, which discountenance the supposition that the operation of the federal government will by degrees prove fatal to the State governments. The more I revolve the subject, the more fully I am persuaded that the balance is much more likely to be disturbed by the preponderancy of the last than of the first scale.

 

 ( Madison Nailed it on the head here....)

 

..............  The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.  .....

 

(THis is how is was meant to operate.  States are now at the mercy of the Fed GOv on every level.  Our founders did not see this coming.)

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:38 | 6971588 Chris Dakota
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The only industries he hasn't destroyed.

Military weapons

Drugs

Alcohol

Gay Bakeries

Guns

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:50 | 6971636 darteaus
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and Mosques

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:08 | 6971714 valjoux7750
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The gay bakery. Nice, lol

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:24 | 6971783 Larry Dallas
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+1000 for the Gay Bakeries.

I (and neither was my keyboard) expecting that! Ha!!!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:26 | 6971760 FireBrander
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Obama destroyed the coal industry? I suppose you dumbshits, like Romney, also think Obama took down the battleship industry?

The Corporates wanted a Nuke plant in Iowa; people said 'NO', we want wind!

The Corporates then wanted coal..again the people said 'NO'!, we want wind!

In 2017 Iowa will produce 10,000MW from wind with coal as backup source!

A typical coal plant produces 500MW, Iowa just wiped out the need for 20 coal plants!

Coal is DEAD as primary fuel in Iowa, wind is to blame... and, oh fuck, Obama played a part in it... that's gotta fucken hurt..truth that is..are you sure you want to give Obama credit for killing coal?

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:04 | 6971939 Ethelred the Unready
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Wind power is delusional Unicorn shit.   Just because the powers that be have spent a fortune teaching us to believe that it does work - then still has to forcibly shove it down our collective throats with "renewable power" mandates (where power companies are required to to derive a minimum percentage of their power from wind (e.g. Texas - thanks to Rick Perry) and maybe solar.  

When they are able to build wind farms using only wind power will anyone with a brain start taking that fraud seriously.  And that will be never.  Think about it - every wind farm built  to date has been built primarily using fossil fuel energy.   That is, using 4 or 5  cents a KWH coal or Nuke to build (mine the ore, smelt it, transport it)  a   12 cent a KWH wind power unit.  The Germans, thanks to widespread unicorn psychosis, are now paying 40 cents (Euro cents) a KWH thanks to the fact that their country and towns have been covered in ugly, ugly solar panels and wind towers.  Industry is leaving for places like the US Southeast where there is lots and lots of coal and nuke power (and cheap - for now - nat. gas). The latest wind screw up is in the German North Sea where a huge wind farm was supposed to generate electricity at the standard 32% output efficiency.  Instead, the energy pipeline  to the industrial heartland  is running at only 16% efficiency.  Was ist den los??

Fat dumb and stupid is no way to go through life.  Don't be like this guy! 

http://www.epaw.org/echoes.php?lang=en&article=n130

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:52 | 6971989 FireBrander
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Bullshit....Germany is a tiny country...TRYING to make wind work...USA is huge... massive amounts of wind potential... Iowa has dramatically reduced it's need for coal... and, instead of coal power to Build the windmills, windmill power is building the windmills.

Next your going oppose 3D printers I suppose?

Ignorance of reality is not an excuse.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:18 | 6972168 nevket240
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Germany is a SMALL country?? 81,000,000 people in 140,000M2 is not small. Germany has a brilliant history of technological advancement. A lot of which the USA stole after WW2. Methiks you are very young, ignorant and full of yourself.

regards

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:24 | 6972191 FireBrander
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You're a fucking dumbass.

> What does the number of people have to do with wind power generation?

> Germany is smaller than CALIFORNIA!

> What good is wind technology if it's not windy enough or you don't have enough phyical land to build enough mills to make it viable?

Again, you're a dumbass.

PS. You couldn't find a Bible quote to make you look smart on this subject?

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:47 | 6972454 God
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OK that's it! Let all calm down here.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 22:00 | 6972668 FireBrander
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Ok God, just for you. Folks I apologize for my salty language...whenever you see the F word, please replace it with beautiful.

Gold star God? Can I come live with you someday?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 13:29 | 6974425 Thinkor
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If those are really your honkers, I'm sure God will oblige you, assuming you're not transgendered.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:34 | 6972019 Calmyourself
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Germany has stopped its wind subsidies, waste of money..  They got crimigrant bills to pay..  Apparently only Iowans cannot do math..

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:17 | 6972165 Freddie
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Iowa loves getting free ethanol money $$$ plus the liberals think Iowa is "too white."

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:49 | 6972254 FireBrander
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Never ending parade of ignorant morons.

> Iowa is 98% white; not that I'm complaining.

> Corn to Ethanol is a dead industry; corn is too valuable to burn.

> The Corn to Ethanol subsidy ended in 2011, but the ethanol mandate in gas lives on.

> The industry is converting to cellulosic ethanol.

> The cellulosic ethanol industry is a game changer.

> One plant, the largest in the world, is now, profitably, producing 25 million gallons of cellulosic ethanol a year in Hugoton, Kansas.

> Iowa State University (among others) is making dramatic advances in Algae to Ethanol research.

The 10 Hottest Trends in Algae

> "Algenol confirmed that the company had exceeded production rates of 9,000 gallons of ethanol per acre per year...“Our patented ‘Direct to Ethanol’ technology enables the production of ethanol for around $1.00 per gallon using sunlight, carbon dioxide and saltwater."

> "commercial operations have commenced at both Archer Daniels Midland Company’s Clinton, Iowa facility, and the downstream companion facility operated by American Natural Products in Galva, Iowa..."

Yeah, production is small...but it always starts that way...impossible to the norm takes time..you just have to have faith...you understand faith right?

Clutch your Bibles tight fucknuts, Jesus wasn't white, coal is DYING, oil is DYING and "renewables" are coming to life.

http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/2013/03/11/algenol-hits-9k-gallons...

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:44 | 6972417 ZD1
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Clutch your Communist Manifestos and Qurans tight leftwingfucknuts, Obama isn't straight, solar is a FARCE, windpower is DEAD and "non renewables" never died.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:19 | 6972520 FireBrander
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Communist Manifestos - Another failed "ism"...Nailed "Capitalism" though...

Qurans - Christianity all Bullshit.

Obama isn't straight - You're fucking nuts; but who cares?

Solar is a FARCE - limited, but has its applications.

Windpower is DEAD - really the future; but if you still believe in the "Magic Man in the Sky", why would I expect you to believe in wind power?

"Non renewables" never died - What happened to peak oil? and $5000 gold?

Well, you kinda got 1 out 5 right...~15% level...keep trying:)

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:21 | 6971982 Lore
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The touchy-feely, unthinking personality types have been manipulated by modern con artists thumping the 'green' bible into supporting capital misallocation. Who is more guilty, the fools, or the psychopaths who mislead them?

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:31 | 6972014 TxExPat
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Who's paying you to spout this nonsense?  You do realize that Wind requires backup power sources running full time "hot and ready" to pick up the slack caused by variations in wind speed?  Hydroelectric is pretty much tapped full out, Nuclear is politically incorrect, so to get your 10,000MW of Wind running, you need 10,000MW worth of Coal or Gas plants running "hot", just not tapped into the grid...  Life is not like Peter Pan, Just wishing very hard for something to be true doesn't actually make it true...  "Laws of Nature" are not set by man, and can't be regulated away, you can't change the Laws of Thermodynamics any more than you can repeal the Law of Gravity, doesn't matter what the party/consensus says the Science should be, it is what it is, and you deal with it ...

Normally I don't go with insults, But Lenin (Vladimir, not John) had a term "Useful Idiots" that springs into mind here...

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:03 | 6972104 FireBrander
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More fucken bullshit.

Yes, you MUST have backup sources, but not for 100% failure and not "100% hot"...horseshit...you build a backup plant that can RAMP UP IF NEEDED...that's just the smart thing to do. But in many places, and Iowa is one of the best, the wind can be counted on 90+% of the time...Once you're 200 feet in the air, over Iowa, the wind pretty much NEVER stops blowing...and you only need 7mph for the mills to work...you don't want high winds and speeds over 40 become dangerous with the blades purposely slowed to prevent damage.

Geesh! With you fucknuts in charge, the whaling industry would still rule and we'd all be using whale oil to to supply our energy needs...well not really, because you dumbshits would have killed every last whale long ago and you'd be sitting in the dark jacking off over your Bibles writing letters to Congress condeming the push to coal.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:11 | 6972267 TxExPat
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Energy consumption by the backup facilities is reduced.  (you don't have to expend energy spinning an armature to generate current), but you do have to keep the steam hot and ready to kick in at a moment's notice.  (you can't instantly convert water to steam, the system has to be hot and the steam already under pressure).  Energy Leaks (esp heat), this means you need to input fresh energy to the system at a rate that is a reasonable percentage of the expected load...  This greatly reduces the "claimed" effectiveness of the Bird Choppers, they simply ignore the backup (non-wind) systems energy consumption in their accounting...  It's a lot like corn ethanol as fuel, given the cost of the inputs (Building the towers/generators or growing/harvesting/processing the crop), the in-efficencies of the system (Backup power for wind, reduced milage for the diluted gasoline), neither generates a positive energy return with current technology.  (Theory is that if you push these things hard enough, "somebody" will make a breakthrough someday that will make these things net energy positive).  So far, neither is even close.  Again, I place my faith in Physics/Math, and both are pretty solidly against you, no matter how hard you wish your position was true.  The statement "I reject your reality, and substitue my own" really isn't going to get you very far in the Math/Physics/Engineering world...  Rapid fire on the insults may make you feel better, but it's not actually very effective except when dealing with low information types...

“When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate.”

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:38 | 6972430 FireBrander
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At one point in time, "Physics/Math" said that Whale Oil was the way to go...

If you don't "push these things" you will NEVER make any breakthroughs.

Follow the path starting with corn to ethanol...loaded with turds..but from those turds, promising shoots are appearing.

You should see the Bio-Foods research....beautiful tamatoes, tons of them, grown ORGANICALLY, without an ouce of dirt and at twice the speed and half the cost of using dirt!...the "Physics/Math" was wrong about that just 5 years ago...

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:53 | 6972462 God
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OK, were going to need you to wind down a little tonight FireBrander. Take a few deep breaths.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:28 | 6972554 FireBrander
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Ok God, will do...wait minute..."God"?..really is that you?

You're an ass for creating so many religions...do you really enjoy watching from up there as we butcher each other down here because those "other people" are worshiping a "false God"?

Did you really tell Bush to kill all those Muslims? Obama too?

You created the universe, and Lucifer, that failed horribly, so why not start over? Wipe out the Universe and take another stab at it?

What's the deal with impregnating virgins, dude, not cool.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 06:21 | 6973351 Gold Eyed Cat
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It ALL actually makes total sense.  I think it has something to do with many many roads lead to God and forgiveness.  However, God does seriously loves a big reveal at the end, so he's not telling.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:33 | 6972558 TxExPat
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I will agree that "if you don't push things, you will NEVER make any breakthroughs", but cold hard math says that some paths are simply dead ends.  Wind farms are on that list.  People have been attempting fusion reactors since I was a Kid, with only minimal, incremental results.  But I can solidly back fusion dispite the difficulties simply because it's potentially an almost unlimited energy source, with minimal downsides, (IF we can ever get it to work).  Same can be said about Thorium salt reactors, (Thorium's down side(s) are that the engineering is difficult, and it's very very hard, if not impossible to get weapons grade material out of a Thorium reactor...).  Wind Farms require large amounts of land, are not reliable (wind is intermittent), the current generation of wind mills are proving to have a much shorter operational life-span than was promoted, (wrecks havoic on the economics), and simply MASSIVELY environmentally damaging.  (Bird kills by wind farms appear to be a taboo subject in polite society...).  There is limited upside for engineering improvement to any of this for wind as the difuse nature of wind energy means the intake has to be widely distibuted (takes up a lot of space...).

Logical Fallacy, Strawman, (misrepresenting an argument in an attack...). 

strawman You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.

I did not say that Physics is NEVER wrong (although math can come close), just that to invalidate an premise based on a set of facts, you need to present facts that either prove your case to be true, or that at least invalidate the other premise (prove that the opposing case cannot be true...).  (Physics is based on the best set of facts available at any point in time, and is ofter advanced as much by disproving things as proving them...). 

Bringing up Whale Oil, or Bio-engineering is a vaild thing to do if the opposing premise is that "Physics/Science is NEVER wrong", but in this case the opposing premise is "given the known limitations of Thermodynamics, current engineering technology, and forseeable engineering improvements, Wind Farms are unsuitable as a Grid Base Load Power Source. and will remain so for the forseeable future".   (Isolated off Grid points, yes).  (Same engineering arguments can be made about Fusion/Thorium, with the difference that the potential energy returns (back to Thermodynamics), is multiple orders of magnitude higher, changes the economics entirely).  

 

 

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:53 | 6972650 FireBrander
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BS, BS, BS.

Wind Farms require large amounts of land:

Each turbine has a VERY small footprint - crops are grown directly under the turbines...google it, geesh!'

 

Wind is intermittent:

At GROUND LEVEL! But turbines stand 300' high, and at 300', in Iowa, the wind VERY RARELY stops blowing...and you only need 7mph to push the blades.

 

Environmentally damaging

Yeah it kills birds...and THAT"S IT! How many birds are hit by cars, sucked into jet engines, killed by coal power plant exhaust, Nuked by Fukushima for the next 1000 years? I've been to plenty of wind farms, yep, dead birds, get back to my car...birdshit on the window...not enough dead apparently.

 

Read up a little more before you post as a "expert".

 

 

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:12 | 6972509 Luck Dragon
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To the dude calling it a "windmill". It doesn't "mill" shit, it's a wind TURBINE. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you call it a wind MILL?

Secondly, ethanol is total shit. The only reason it's in gas is because the government subsidizes corn (steals from me to pay Jim Bob to grow corn) and then there is so much of the shit they have to ferment it and literally burn it. It's hydrophilic, it decreases efficiency, and it dries out rubber lines and seals. Total shit.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:38 | 6972583 FireBrander
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Yeah, got on that "mill" run and couldn't stop; must be my Dutch ancestry.

Corn to ethanol is shit...but from that shit grew algae to ethanol...that's not shit...That's GOLD Jerry! GOLD!

"dries out rubber lines and seals" - bullshit - if the rubber and seals are designed for ethanol, it will not harm them...try reading the owners manual...cars in Brazil run on 100% ethanol without issue... I just disposed of a car, ran 10% ethanol for 175,000 miles over a 20 year period...no fuel issues at all...the Koreans build good cars!

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:43 | 6971869 Larry Dallas
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Here's a guy, who pulled himself up from the balls of his ass at 16, and became a billionaire. Was forced to work to provide for his family when in contrast to today, most 16 year olds are obese slobs who riddles with pills and were supposed make fun of this guys successes?

That's the American story we've all known, and have all seen become emasculated but the tranny-loving media.

And I'm sure I'm not the only one who is confused when anyone down votes a pro-Trump comment.
I hope those downvoters don't have any children. Because this country is going to complete war-zone like hell, complete with police state forcing them to go to gay bakeries and fining them if they don't.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:55 | 6971909 FireBrander
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Big fucken deal...I suppose his grand pappy built the buggy whip industry and Henry Ford fucked him over?

Industries come and go, coal had it's day, that day has passed... get over it.

PS. Obama destroyed the coal industry, yet my lights are on and the house is warm... please explain?

PSS. Remember when Bill Clinton destroyed the incandescent light bulb industry? You fucknuts lost your minds over that one too!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:07 | 6972126 Fred C Dobbs
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The buggy whip industry was not targeted by the U.S. government for destruction. 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:07 | 6972311 FireBrander
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"The buggy whip industry was not targeted by the U.S. government for destruction. "

Dumshits popping out of the woodwork today!

> Ford Motor Company was a SUBSIDIARY of the Rockefeller owned Standard Oil Company...I'll bet you love that fact..

> Horse and Buggies can travel on dirt roads that turn to mud...CARS NEED PAVEMENT!

> Who paved the roads Ford's cars traveled on?

> Yeah, Government paved those roads...without paved roads, cars were pretty useless and Fords business would have fell into the chipper.

Care to take a guess at who LOBBIED to get the roads paved, AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE?

Care to guess who "targeted the buggy whip industry" for "destruction" by using taxpayer money to pave those roads..to GASP..."subsidize" the auto industries desperate need for paved roads in order to sell cars and wreck the horse and buggy industry?

morons.


Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:28 | 6972198 lincolnsteffens
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Hey, the 100 watt incandescent light bulb has some useful purposes. People are using compact florescents which are expensive to produce and use far more natural resources and labor to produce and still, I think use mercury. The florescents are absolutely useless in my business so I'm spending big bucks willingly on LED lights.

Oh yeah, I tried using compact florescents in table lamps and within 6 months they destroyed the inside of the lamp shades.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:17 | 6972341 FireBrander
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"florescents" are dead, LED is a corporate scam as that tech should be skipped...as soon as everyone has LED...wait for it...LASER light bulbs will hit the shelves...100 Watts of instant light from one watt of energy...technology was ready 5 years ago...industry has been "holding it back"...they want to sell out the "florescent" stock, then sell everyone LED..and THEN sell laser...PROFITS BITCHEZ!

BMW had the tech ready to go in it's cars in 2011...but probably wants to deplete it's LED stock first...

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/laser-powered-headlight3.htm

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:02 | 6972477 God
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Yes 'Larry Dallas' he seems like a good American man problem is he's not a joo and therefore is fresh meat.

A man like this should use his wealth and connections to overthrow this corrupt POS feral .gov in a violent week long siege of DC and joo york.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:27 | 6971540 stant
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It doesn't stop at our borders it appears

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:42 | 6971603 junction
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Drudge has a link to a Politico article that leads with:

The State Department is counting "bringing peace" to Syria as one of its wins in 2015.

A boastful recap of the State Department’s accomplishments, written by spokesman John Kirby, includes the bold subheadline of "Bringing Peace, Security to Syria" above a more modest entry talking about U.S. aid for those affected by the country's turmoil and the U.S. push for a political transition from President Bashar Assad.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/state-department-claims-peace-syria-2015-win-217168#ixzz3veLzHdrz

Syria is the NWO's role model of what America can expect when the neocon Jew (sad to say) fu*ks turn their sights on the United States with more than minor false flag attacks.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:28 | 6971802 GeezerGeek
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Kerry may have to settle for "bringing Putin" to Syria. Peace will take a little longer.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:43 | 6971871 Lore
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Five years ago I had a fascinating conversation with an official from the Government of India who forecast that very thing, that the psychopaths would stage more and bigger false flags closer to home, and it would tear the American social fabric. America is expected to balkanize, with some regions wrecked, never to recover. 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:01 | 6971925 aVileRat
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At this stage, yes that is the foregone conclusion. Look at California, balkanization to recapitalize silicon valley as its own corporate tax code akin to guernsey as a tax haven is 1 election from going mainstream. The same guys backing this are the same pork interests who backed Obama and Obama/Clinton policies since 1995. Breaking up overburdened sov's has a long lineage going back to Holy Roman Empire for value creation.

 

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:29 | 6972205 lincolnsteffens
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I didn't know Obama was a neocon Jew!!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:05 | 6971926 LordBuckFast
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The people behind him pulling the strings are the real enemies!

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:22 | 6972386 Hal n back
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Unfair rap on murry for laying off staff while buying companies. That is an attempt for economies of scale, in a businss that might be gone in a few years.

Obama does not care, or perhaps it Valerie.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:27 | 6971541 NoDebt
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Coal is a union labor business.  They voted for Obama in MASSIVE numbers in BOTH elections despite Obama saying openly he was going to destroy the coal industry.  Merely because they are union and unions vote overwhelmingly for the Ds.

Get in line for your EBT cards and shut the fuck up.  You lost the right to complain by your own stupidity.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:57 | 6971667 Midas
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I have no way of knowing how the union members voted, but in the 2012 election Obama/Biden got 35% of the vote in West Virginia.  I know unions almost always support the Dems, but having worked in union shops before, I can tell you it is a poor assumption to think the members vote as a block.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:29 | 6971546 oldmanofthesee
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As far as the comment at the end of the article, he may spend HIS fucking money, any way he wishes!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:36 | 6971836 Max Cynical
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+100

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:30 | 6971552 aliki
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anyone who didn't know obama's #1 goal was to put coal stocks/companies clearly wasn't paying attention to his campaign as a senator back before 2008. he was clearly intent to do any & every thing possible, legal or illegal, to complete decimate this industry. if this CEO was paying attention, he should have been shorting as much KOL as he could get a borrow on + buy as many KOL puts to hedge his position as a senior managing partner of a coal company.  i mean, this is the same president obama whose first energy secretary was a guy who viewed european gas prices as the "model" for what they wanted here in the states. if that doesn't say "upside-down & inside-out" about running an economy or segement of, i don't know what does.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:33 | 6971564 aliki
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im sorry, that was his #3 goal behind:

#1 get re-elected

#2 turn texas purple-to-blue

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:33 | 6971817 Cruel Aid
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oh good luck w #2

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:39 | 6971589 Chris Dakota
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He was pro nuclear power, then Fukushima happened.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:44 | 6971612 Doña K
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Meanwhile, O'bummer's supporter Buffett built three coal fired power plants before that and now his fuel is much cheaper. 

Winners and losers anyone? 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:33 | 6972219 lincolnsteffens
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Ooooooh! That was insightful. +100

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:30 | 6971553 THE SOLUTION IS...
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Test post

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:41 | 6971602 Normalcy Bias
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Test Failed.

j/k

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:22 | 6972536 God
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j/k aside. You do have a good point. Normally a test post is best hidden in a thread from last week.

Or, if you need to send a message to your handler you bury it in an older thread.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:31 | 6971554 buzzsaw99
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owebomba doesn't care about west virginia or any other state that actually works for a living. however, the fed is just as much to blame for the energy glut as anyone. become a ny banker or fuck off and die is d.c.'s motto.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:33 | 6971820 FireBrander
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Take your meds and listen ... the market is speaking... it doesn't want coal... it wants wind... Iowa wins, WV loses... boo.hhoo!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:39 | 6972238 lincolnsteffens
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Iowa wants wind. Fine, Iowa can have wind. Part of the destruction of the coal price has to do with gas which has been on a loooong downturn ( maybe turning up now). Coal and Gas are competitors and now oil is down big time too. This was  over development from easy central bank credit. The cycle always comes full circle when supply balances out with natural demand. Rinse, recycle.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:33 | 6971563 Troy Ounce
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Funny, I am just listening to audiobook of John Grisham called Grey Mountain.

Dunno who I despise more: a coal baron or a Nobel Peace Prize Moron

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:34 | 6971565 JustObserving
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Meanwhile in the latest Gallup polls:

 

Trump TIES Pope Francis for second place in most admired man in the world poll - but Obama and Hillary lead the pack
  •  In an annual Gallup survey taken since the 1940s, President Obama is the most admired man in the world, with Trump and Pope Francis in second 
  • Hillary Clinton is the most admired woman in the world and holds the record for topping the list 20 times - more times than Eleanor Roosevelt  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376450/Trump-TIES-Pope-Francis-...

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:15 | 6971746 HopefulCynical
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So...they stuck to just asking the Free Shit Army?!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:33 | 6971822 SillySalesmanQu...
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Damm, if Hillary is the most admired woman in the world, she must be servicing and licking a lot more pussy than we ever thought, out there on the campaign trail...

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:44 | 6972256 lincolnsteffens
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I don't think I would want to be included with that crowd. All liars and usurpers. My apologies to Catholics but seems to me the Pope belongs with that group.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 23:15 | 6972411 FireBrander
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DOH!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:34 | 6971567 pods
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So freedom of speech involves fines for buying signs?

Nothing but a shithole this place has become.  Full of overpaid, underworked bureaucrats.

I wish the plan of the government all along was to keep dollars leaving the US so to keep inflation low.
Import of energy means export of dollars, which seem to be created faster than they can get rid of them.

It would be a sneaky plan that would make me think a bit better of them.

Of course, I'm dreaming and this is to just increase their power and control.

pods 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:43 | 6971609 TheDanimal
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I bet they hit him with a technicality for placement too near a polling place or something ridiculous like that. 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:46 | 6972266 lincolnsteffens
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He didn't put them in an authorized free speech zone.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:35 | 6971576 Skateboarder
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Homeboy looks like Jabba the Hutt.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:02 | 6971687 Panafrican Funk...
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Antonio Napa from Oz.

or

Paulie from Rocky.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:36 | 6971577 Silky Johnson
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75 year old from West Virgiinia has a problem with a president that's half a black, imagine that.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:44 | 6971611 souljaboy
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Coal is 100% black. How about that?

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:45 | 6971615 Normalcy Bias
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Jesus. Still falling back on your threadbare race card, eh? That's so fucking lazy.

Obama's POLICIES are easy enough to pick apart, never mind the fact he's half white trash.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:48 | 6971629 darteaus
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and hAlfrican.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:03 | 6971693 Silky Johnson
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I got no dog in the fight. I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm sure Mr. Coal Kingpin is a nice, upstanding, law-abiding business man, it's just a fact that Obamba being half a black makes it that much easier for the guy to dislike him. Tell me I'm lying. And keep in mind, I don't give a shit if every redneck and black killed each other by tomorrow morning.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:09 | 6971718 Normalcy Bias
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Nah, of course it couldn't be that not only is Obama destroying this man's business, but the ENTIRE INDUSTRY along with it.

This hillbilly just don't like 'niggers,' right? Good thinking there Silky, but you'd better stick to pimpin'.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:18 | 6971739 Silky Johnson
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You're honestly going to tell me that guy has never called Obama, a nigger?

 

And I never said it is the sole reason, simply that the guy came to the table pre-disposed. If Obama wasn't doing such a shitty job, I assure you some other reason would be have been found. I've been to that shithole called WV, and I am very familiar with the mentality of the area. Obama could be passing out $100 bills every hour on the hour and the response would be, "thanks neggar"

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:33 | 6971818 Normalcy Bias
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You're honestly going to tell me that Obama has a black friend that has never called him a 'nigger?'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:39 | 6971855 Silky Johnson
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Yeah maybe Jay-Z, but he calls everyone that.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:34 | 6971826 City_Of_Champyinz
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You make an awful lot of assumptions.  Everyone knows the one about 'assumptions'.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:38 | 6971847 Silky Johnson
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Such as?

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:47 | 6971864 Cruel Aid
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WTF guy, whats wrong with you? the man is defending his industry.

This is troll bullshit isnt it?

Edit: are you sure he doesnt have any black miners who got laid off and are angry w obama

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:54 | 6971901 Silky Johnson
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I can appreciate that the guy feels he got burned, but the EPA has a had a hardon for coal for decades, it's nothing half&half started. I think it's easier to purely put all the blame on someone you already don't like.

Here's a nice timeline if you have a couple minutes. It involves all the usual bullshit, swaying public opinion, buying dirty politicians, it's informative though.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/U.S._coal_politics

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:48 | 6972063 Cruel Aid
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i'll read it, but the epa turned into a mafia style organization on his watch. I dont remember the epa being this proactive. Its all above O anyway, hes just following orders as he is a narcissistic doofus who is happy to destroy us for the greater global good. Truth not racism.

We all know what is going on. In their world, you would have an electric car which would only let you drive in your little urban world. Your little 300 sq ft cubicle. No roadtrips in a car, only trains.

Oil companies would be taxed into oblivion or epa'd and decimated just like coal. Oh its coming.

Just one more thing, China gets a pass on all this crap. America is very clean now vs 20+ years ago. i remember smog and its a memory. dont see it anymore.

Its an attack on us only, they get a pass. dont forget that and what that means

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:20 | 6971983 City_Of_Champyinz
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LOL, gee perhaps you assuming that he is a racist?  Do you know the man, huh genius?

Nice trolling, you are an idiot.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:05 | 6971942 Dickweed Wang
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Everyone knows the one about 'assumptions'.

 

It's actually about assume . . . you make an ASS out of U and ME.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:13 | 6972141 FireBrander
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If you think WV's aren't a racist bunch; boy do you ever need to get out from your rock...

"The most racist places in America, according to Google"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/28/the-most-racist-p...

I suppose you consider Texans to be non-racist also; and their dislike, to the point of leaving the union, of Obama has nothing to do with race?

Geesh.

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:39 | 6972592 Seek_Truth
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You spend your time on ZH humiliating yourself unknowingly.

Huff post misses you.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 23:26 | 6972915 FireBrander
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Oh, you again...the energy expert that is CLUELESS about wind energy production levels...typical "expert"...in his own mind...never mind reality.

Hey, ask FaceBook and Microsoft (and others) why they're building billions of dollars worth of server farms in Iowa..Hint, it's NOT because of cheap coal electricity.

Facebook:

"The company announced the launch of its first Altoona data center just last November. Facebook has contracted for about 140 megawatts of power in a long-term power purchase agreement with a nearby Wellsburg wind farm."

Facebook servers powered entirely by the WIND! Unviable my ass.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/06/04/third-facebook-da...

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:47 | 6972262 Freddie
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The half white part has not been proven.  I do not believe his supposed mother and grandparents are who we have been told they are.  I recall one web site saying he is more likely African and possibly Asian.

He is a total mystery with everything sealed. A perfect See Eye Aye "cutout"

https://vimeo.com/35697631

Ha ha.  These See Eye Aye training films probably shot on Paramount's backlot in Hollywood and edited and processed at the old lab at the top of Laurel Canyon.  Rita Katz probably films much of her ISIS films in the Calif desert.

Laurel Canyon where MIC/See EYe Aye created the hippies to nuke the anti war movement. Too much drug (opium/heroin) profits from IndoChina and weapons to let the anti-war movement stop the Vietnam War.   The hippie movement also helped sell those narcotics.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/

Poor Dave McGowan figured out what happened in Laurel Canyon and they cancer'ed him.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:29 | 6972555 BeansMcGreens
Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:48 | 6971626 darteaus
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And gay!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:39 | 6971852 Cruel Aid
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prop up that straw man... yea he's raycist!!

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 13:26 | 6974418 Thinkor
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Is he really half black? We don't know who his REAL father was. Maybe Obama's half Indonesian. They are not black, although some have kinky hair and dark skin. Obama's mom was in the Indonesian Subud cult, whose leader bears a resemblance to Obama.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:37 | 6971583 truthalwayswinsout
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Obama bin Laden is the whore of the Saudi oil cartel. He killed the pipeline and he also tried like hell to kill fracking and he even shut down Alaska for all intents and purposes.  Despite all his efforts oil is still going to $10 a barrel.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:14 | 6972150 FireBrander
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I think the Obama/Suadi "War on Oil" was aimed at bringing Russia to it's knees...doesn't appear to be working...

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:38 | 6971585 Witch-king of Angmar
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'the President, who he says is on a "bizarre personal and political" quest to destroy not only the coal industry, but the entire country.'

Absolutely true...in every way.

Trump: Obama is making this way too easy for me.

 

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:46 | 6971617 Berspankme
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Don't look to Paul Ryan and his merry band of RINO faggots for help either

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:02 | 6971930 Dickweed Wang
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Absolutely true...in every way.

 

Obummer is on record saying he essentially wanted to shut down the coal industry and coal based power generation.  Look it up on UTube if anyone doesn't believe it . . . . he's a true fascist at heart.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:18 | 6972170 FireBrander
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Yeah, right...and Obama can do whatever he pleases...he can "Shut down the coal industry" on a whim...nothing to stop him...the Republican Congress is powerless in all this?

Keep swallowing those Red Pills...at least wipe your face once in while.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:51 | 6971619 Duc888
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Has Barry Soetero helped ONE fucking small business here in USA?  No, he's too busy sucking MIC dick.

 

....having said that... I love to burn anthracite in my wood / coal stove.  Nice cheap heat.  I employ Americans in PA.  Better than blood for oil in the Mid East.

https://www.leisurelinestove.com/anthracitecoal/

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:48 | 6971628 Crtrvlt
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robert murray like the rest of the personal responsibility brigade who blame their situation ironically on the government should go play in traffic 

 

adapt or GTFO

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:57 | 6971663 Dr. Engali
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Yes, because statists like your self should be allowed to use the heavy hand of government to squash anything that doesn't appeal to your precious snowflake sensibilities. 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:05 | 6971704 Crtrvlt
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so im a statist soley based on the fact that i pointed out that this guy CAN'T adapt, while squanering millions of his company's assets as zh pointed out 

 

got it

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:14 | 6971735 Dr. Engali
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You're a statist because you applaud the state damaging his business. If it's the free market that he fails to adapt to then great, but the state picking winners and losers is unacceptable. 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:21 | 6971770 Crtrvlt
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right because there have never been coal subsidies or any subsidies to his business

 

the drop in other natural resources have done more damage to his business 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:51 | 6971645 gm_general
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I was going to ask if saving 10s of thousands of lives that would be have been taken by the effects of coal ash toxicity is worth the added cost, but then I realized with expanded standard modern healthcare under Obamacare, Obama is killing more people than he saved with the coal regulations. Why are we still burning chemical-based fuels like we did 150 years ago anyway? Its an embarrassment, Tesla is probably turning over in his grave.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:02 | 6971676 Duc888
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gm_general : "I was going to ask if saving 10s of thousands of lives that would be have been taken by the effects of coal ash toxicity is worth the added cost"

 

How many MILLIONS  of people have been killed in the mid east for oil in the last 30+ years?  How many sovereign countries rolled?

 How many terrorists created?  Has The Patriot Act and NDAA been signed into law to protect us from those fukken DOMESTIC COAL MINERS?

"Added Cost"?  How many BILLIONS and BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars have been spent to support the oil cartels?

 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:08 | 6971715 gm_general
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Very good points. Chemical-based 19th century fuels are costing us immeasurably and its just plain embarrassing how little advancement has occurred in this particular area vs. others, due to entrenched interests.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:28 | 6971790 valjoux7750
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Because it fuckin works pal.  When they come out with something that can replace  it  without any hickups im all in. Untill then ill keep pouring 93 octane in my 6.0 liter powered car and keep the thermostate at home one 69.  

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:58 | 6971913 Dickweed Wang
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Why are we still burning chemical-based fuels like we did 150 years ago anyway?

 

Because with the current energy paradigm comes a TON of POWER.  The same families that controlled the oil industry 100+ years ago are still in power today, in one form or another.  Their lust for power is why all of the "free energy" technologies developed over the last century, since Tesla's time, have never seen the light of day.  Those technologies will remain "safely" in the hands of those same power brokers since allowing them to become used would instantly change the world's financial and power structures - they will never let that happen without an epic fight.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:49 | 6972071 gm_general
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Thanks for pointing that out - I once had a list that purported to show well over a hundred inventors who came up with free energy technologies who were either killed, bought off, or ruined. My hope is one of them eventually will give the tech freely over the Internet, instead of trying to get rich and patent it, which will never happen.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:54 | 6971662 billwilson
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Goof ball. An example of all that is wrong with America. Coal is dying because of greedy coal companies and their raping practices, not to mention the damage coal has done to the environment. Good riddance.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 16:59 | 6971677 wisebastard
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go long coal.......lets see war on drugs......more drugs......war on poverty......more poverty........war on terror,...........more fucking terror.............it doesnt take a fucking 33 degree freemason to see where this is going

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:01 | 6971686 cpgone
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Less need for coal.

Wind towers everywhere in Tx , Sd , etc,

Alt energy making huge strides. Solar,wind  like 100 times more efficent than 20 years ago.

And the US finally getting it together to sell energy over state lines.

The rag heads and ruskies know this and are bailing.

IM not an obummer fan,

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:12 | 6971731 Duc888
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We won't even get into the amount of thorium in coal and we should be building Molten Salt Thorium Nuke plants (LFTR and DMSR)...... read up about them.

They consume nuclear waste fuel.  Zero emissions and zero CO2 .  Would produce more energy than solar + wind put together... times 1000.  If the power gets cut off they won't melt down, they'll just shut off and solidify, unlike Fuki.

 

....

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:51 | 6971889 Dickweed Wang
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. . . .we should be building Molten Salt Thorium Nuke plants (LFTR and DMSR)

 

Yeah, we should . . . . but it will never happen as long as the players currently in charge call the shots.  They have way too much money invested in the current nuclear power paradigm to allow such a radical change.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:16 | 6971750 jomama
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Here we go with the: "That god damned Teleprompter in Chief fucked up every single thing in this country" moronic drivel again!

 

It's a sad day that even the ZH comment section really believes that idiot has any say over anything besides what's for dinner.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:26 | 6971792 roadhazard
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People who sold horses said the same thing. That damn Henry Ford Obama.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:48 | 6971880 Dickweed Wang
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People who sold horses said the same thing. That damn Henry Ford Obama.

 

Stupidest analogy EVER!!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:54 | 6971904 TurnwiseWiddershins
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This is my argument as well.  It's not like anyone's building any more coal fired plants, and the ones in existence are going to be shut down over the next 50 years or retrofitted to use natural gas.

When I drive through the part of town which has our coal plant I can tell you it's the worst part of town to live in.  It's like that everywhere.  No one wants to live around that air.  Since all the coal plants I know of are on the water I can tell you that no one wants to boat, or especially canoe or kayak (and definitely not swim) near the plant.

I'm no enviro-nut, but damnit my fellow conservatives, lets adapt on this issue just a little bit.  It's OK to have solar panels on your roof.  It's OK to buy LED bulbs (they look fantastic by the way and come in any color imaginable unlike CFLs) and get rid of those old incandescents.  It's OK to recycle fucking paper and plastic.  I like trees (oxygen givers) and the more petroleum (which is in all plastics) that can be reused the better.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:56 | 6972295 nicxios
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He's baron... of a dying industry. Rails against gov intervention - personified by easy target Nobama - while wanting some for himself.

Boo-Fucking-Hoo!

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:34 | 6971823 foodstampbarry
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I'm angry and I want revenge. Payback needs to be real bitch with these prog communist bastards in Washington. Yes, yes it does and this is why I support the Donald.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:45 | 6971874 TurnwiseWiddershins
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Am I the only one here who doesn't give a shit about coal?

Sorry West Virginia, looks like you're going to have to adapt to 2015.  It's not 1875 anymore. 

There'd be no more coal jobs even if we WANTED them to come back, looks like you'll have to get educations now.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 17:55 | 6971906 Francis Marx
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I think gumby missed the point and needs to expand. Its called exports and jobs.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:08 | 6971952 Vidar
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If this were true because of market conditions no longer making coal a profitable business, that would be fine; but the problem is it is not a market process, it is government thugs who think they know better than the people at large what is best. The sources of energy should be determined by free competition on an open market. We need complete separation of economy and state and an end to ALL government regulation. The price system is the only legitimate source of "regulation" in that it determines what is the most efficient use of every resource.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:36 | 6972025 TurnwiseWiddershins
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Ok, so tell the coal companies to stop asking for handouts (subsidies).  They seem to bitch and moan quite onerously when anyone threatens to remove their handouts.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:06 | 6972087 Francis Marx
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OK, but the industries that makes all the tools, machinery and equipment (Thousands of jobs) for coal mining wont like it. There is just more then the coal Gumbee.  The service indrustry that supports mining too.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 21:23 | 6972541 Faeriedust
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It's time to move on.  These people will need to find other jobs, or if they're in their 50's and 60's, retire.  And they will need to stop having children, or have fewer.  Ultimately, this is what fewer "jobs" -- resources for  life -- needs to mean -- NOT HAVING SO GODDAMNED MANY KIDS.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:31 | 6972211 Niall Of The Ni...
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That's right. Spit on the faces of West Virginians and call it rain.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:11 | 6971959 regionswork
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Cries all the way to the bank. 

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:19 | 6971980 kerfuffled
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Put barry in the coal chamber

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:22 | 6971987 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Coal Ponzi is not generating the bucks for the Gubbermint, BuckO-FAT-Bastard. Green Revolutions want you on a strict diet FAT-Bastard Coal dude. Plus, you failed to kickback to Gubbermint protection rackets so they cut you loose from the Crony Casino Capitalist Ponzi because you are way too FAT-Bastard Coal dude.

 

Looks to me like you are the Coal Jabba-the-Hut FAT-Bastard. Stuff some moar food into that FAT pie hole FAT-Bastard Jabba-the-Hut. And quit your belly aching.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:27 | 6972003 NoYouAreAnAsshole
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Duplicate post.  

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 18:27 | 6972005 NoYouAreAnAsshole
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Say what you will about Murray's effort in the courts, something is happening in WVA that Murray is at least partly responsible.  The state senate and house, all three house seats and one of senate seats are now in Republican hands. However, that has only taken place since the 2014 elections.  Some would say 8 years too late and an ever more law breaking virulent EPA short.

Meanwhile, you have to ask yourself what form of dementia or retardation has prevented WVA voters from not acting before this.  For the answer you don't have to look far.  WVA has been democrap at all levels for decades.  They kept the former Grand Keagle of the KKK, Robert Byrd, in power for over 60 years and a Rockfeller in power for over 30 years.  Go figure.

Nevertheless, the impetus for power generation plants is to convert to natural gas - it is cheaper, burns cleaner and the companies aren't faced with constant harrassment from democraps, the EPA, and the liberal press. China was once a huge buyer ,b ut they no more.  

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 19:10 | 6972040 thisguyoverhere
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Murray I'm sure is no saint (not the most flattering photo), but what corporate sell out CEO is a Mother Theresa.

Many of these comments display a profound anount of ignorance.

Currently coal fired boilers in the USA with all the engineering innovations to increase efficiency are the cleanest power plants on earth.

Interestingly while uneducated (as far as power generation specifics) politicians destroy the cheapest, most efficient and cleanest coal sourced
power generation in the world, tax payers are paying to bail out government subsidized solar and wind schemes which are intermittant sources of energy which increase electric bills at times by a factor of 5. Just look at European power bills over the last 10 years.

Meanwhile in developing nations they pollute the earth, air, condemn people to slave wage conditions with ZERO regulation.

Wake up. Read some material. Learn a usefull trade, hell take a summer and work in a boiler. You'd be amazed at all the design, skill and foresight these places employ to get every bit of energy out of coal while releasing water as waste, exporting potash for fertilizer and in other venues using coal gassification technology.

If you disagree with my comment please provide specifics in regard to what you disagree with about US coal fired energy production (aka electricity) processes, what can be improved and what you see as inefficient and why.

Now coal mining practices could be improved I'm sure, yet it keeps the costs of electricity very low.

All you nuke pukes know that there has never been a "profitable" nuke plant. Nuclear is NOT clean energy, the waste lasts 100,000 of years and is exponentially more dangerous to civilization.

Mon, 12/28/2015 - 20:16 | 6972366 TheAnswerIs42
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I am not disagreeing with your comment.

The problems lies, as always, with the political parties which are subject to non rational forces.

There is obviously no energy shortage as well as no problem producing abundant clean energy.

Energy sources like coal, oil, hydro power and nuclear are all on the top of the list.

They are all clean and reliable because of modern technology.

There is no need for any pollution now or in the future from any of these proven technologies.

To say otherwise is to speak from ignorance and/or a political agenda.

Clean reliable energy is our only future and there is plenty available for everyone on the planet.

Unfortunately, energy sources such as wind and solar are not reliable (and never will be), plus extract an enormous price from the poor.

 

 

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