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New Gun Control Bill Hits Congress: "To Ensure That The Right To Keep And Bear Arms Is NOT Unlimited"
Submitted by Mac Slavo via SHTFPLan.com,
In the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings we warned that sweeping changes were in the works for Americans’ right to bear arms. It started with ammunition tax proposals, restrictions on firearm accessories imports and most recently Governors began bypassing Congress altogether by banning gun ownership for those on any of the government’s many watchlists. The Obama administration has also targeted licensed firearms sellers across the United States by forcing banks to treat them like pornography businesses and impeding their access to transaction processing systems and business banking accounts.
States like California already ban “assault weapons” and outlaw “high capacity” magazines that can hold more than ten rounds of ammunition. But the kinds of restrictive laws that strike at the very heart of the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution have thus far been limited to just a dozen or so heavily liberal states.
Until now.
While Americans anxiously prepared for their Christmas festivities, anti gun proponents in Congress were hard at work drafting a new bill. If passed H.R. 4269 would literally redefine the Second Amendment as evidenced by the bill’s description, which in no uncertain terms clarifies its ultimate goal:
“To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.”
The bill directly targets every semi-automatic firearm in the United States including handguns, shotguns and rifles. It specifically mentions certain firearms and manufacturers, including the popular AR-15 and AK-47 rifles.
Because the law is Federal it would blanket the country with new restrictions, including making it illegal to own any magazine that exceeds a capacity of ten (10) rounds.
And here’s the kicker, even if your weapon has a legally-defined low capacity detachable magazine but is modified with any of the following accessories, it is considered an “assault rifle” and would be outright banned in the United States.
Semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:
“(i) A pistol grip.
“(ii) A forward grip.
“(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.
“(v) A barrel shroud.
“(vi) A threaded barrel.
…
“(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
“(C) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun.
To be clear, the new bill puts all half measures aside and goes for the jugular.
This is the worst case scenario that many Americans have feared.
If you own a weapon on the ban list or have accessories as described by the bill, your firearm will be outlawed in the United States of America.
SEC. 3.RESTRICTIONS ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES
(a) In General.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—
(1) by inserting after subsection (u) the following:
“(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.
…
“(37) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—
“(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of, or that can be readily restored, changed, or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
…
“(w) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
The bill was introduced in Congress on Decemeber 16, 2015 and currently has 123 co-sponsors – all democrats.
We know that gun bans don’t work but one can’t help but think the agenda goes much further than the notion that they want to make us safer. If that were the case then our lawmakers wouldn’t allow drug cartels, gang members and Islamic terrorists to cross into the U.S. through our porous southern border.
The reality is that a cloud of tyranny has descended upon America. For it to be successful the American people must first be disarmed.
As history has proven time and again, a disarmed populace can easily be led to slaughter. But unlike the tens of millions executed in ethnic, religious and political cleansings of the 20th century, Americans have a rich tradition of personal liberty and the right to bear arms. It is embedded in our culture and our founding document. And as Texas police chief Randy Kennedy recently warned, if the government pushes too far they may well incite a revolution.
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Watching the Congress is as funny as watching a blind man pissing all over a mute. ;-)
Looney
"ammunition feeding device. " WTF? Does ammo get hungry, and where the hell is the mouth? CONgress idiots.
I'm all for it... so long as all of our fearless leaders' bodyguards carry nothing but billy clubs. Absolutely NO automatic weaponry allowed to protect their sorry hides. Make THAT part of the bill.
I read the full bill - Glock are omitted from the "bad" weapons list.
Glock is standard issue for federal police
just for clirification, Im pretty sure this bill lists those banned items that are currently owned as being "grandfathered in". It would just ban the selling and manufacture of NEW ones and make it illegal to transfer them. You can keep your guns until you die, but after you die it gets handed over to the government. Im presuming they will take all those guns and parachute them into syria at that point, just a guess.
This is just a small step, it would eventually lead to confiscatin of those grandfathered items, no doubt, but this has no chance of passing. Its all for show. The GOP sold us down the river on the budget deal, so now they get to make a big show about defeating this bill and talk about how they are for the constitution and all the usual blather. Angry GOPers will forgive ryan and the rest of them for fucking them over since they will have come to the rescue, saving the 2A. It also gives the repub presidential candidates a new thing to talk about without having to actually address anything. On the left, they know it won't pass, but they get to say they "tried to do something" to make their base happy, and hillary and sanders get to endorse the bill and claim they are helping to "combat gun violence".
That scenario above is all this is about. Its not going anywhere, nor is it even supposed to. Its another way for them to pull the wool over our eyes.
"....Shall not be infringed." Could not be any clearer.
Those whom are charged with defending the Constitution should not be given the power to ignore the Constitution. That would be a true separation of powers.
Not sure what is so hard about understanding: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Is the NRA still in existence? It's been totally silent the past year or two.
First nerd to get arrested for carrying a sporterized M1 or 1850 Mosin will break the internet.
I hate to obscure the issue with facts, but the original purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to guard against the government doing exactly this.
The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to retain the power with the people to OVERTHROW a tyrannical government, and if this isn't tyrannical, I don't know what is.
Barry Soetoro is sworn to getting this country to self-immolate. The only thing more damning is that we have a Congress which will do nothing to impede him.
They can pass all the anti gun laws they want. I will continue to ignore them. The government is illegetimate. So are their laws.
Alcohol prohibition didn't work.
Drug Prohibition didn't work.
Gun prohibition doesn't have a chance in hell.
Yes, the biggest gun dealer in the world is the US gov't. The military gives their gear to police depts. around the country! And they want to take our guns away?
And I do appreciate all the M1 Garands and Lake City match ammo the Feds sent to my home under the Civillian Marksmanship Program.
Those fucking cocksucking pieces of shit can COME AND TAKE IT then. I and millions of my fellow American citizens will be waiting for them.
These two quotes sum up the issue well:
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials. …To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
-Vladimir Lenin
"One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
-Vladimir Lenin"
One man with a semi-auto rifle and lots of ammo pre loaded into high capacity magazines can control more.
See what they are doing?
Bastards!
Already we can’t have:
Nuclear arms
Howitzers
Machine guns
Sawed off Shot guns
Fully automatic assault weapons
So they already have “infringed”. One might say well, not allowing nuclear arms makes sense? But now where does the "make sense" end?
(When Hillary says military grade in her mind it is anything that looks militaryish and nothing to do with full auto vs semi, she is spouting ignorance.)
"Already we can’t have:
Nuclear arms
Howitzers
Machine guns
Sawed off Shot guns
Fully automatic assault weapons"
Wrong!
Look up Title II (NFA) of the GCA. Just pay your $200 tax stamp and have your local lead LEO sign the approval slip. Why is it that so many people believe the drivel the statists dish out? Same process is used to purchase a suppressor.
I sit corrected, thanks for the info.
Individual states can still rescind those rights. For instance, here in Wa state, I own a short barreled rifle, but they will not allow select fire machine guns or short barreled shotguns. So even though the ATF may allow you to own a NFA weapon, you still have to check with your local laws.
+1000
& III%
Yep. Did you also noticed George W. Bush was out blowing Obama a few days ago??
George W Bush provides unlikely ally for Clinton, Obama as they counter Republicans on Islam
Fox News-Dec 26, 2015
This bill will never get out of committee. False flag. The only thing it will be good for, and it is a good thing overall, is that gun sales will have a huge bump up. Every time these dick heads raise a gun control issue sales always go up. On the other hand, it's a bad thing for me because I am in the market for a AR10 (7.62x51) and my cost will just increase.
"I read the full bill - Glock are omitted from the "bad" weapons list."
What about this part?
“(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:
“(i) A threaded barrel.
“(ii) A second pistol grip.
“(iii) A barrel shroud.
“(iv) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
“(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
Glock 18 is full auto - are all semi auto Glocks part of the same version?
Maybe just G19 -
The barrel shroud thing is totally stupid - and when ever a bill includes reference to it it tells the the people behind it are idiots with zero gun knowledge.
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=barrel+shrouds+shoulder+things+tha...
Can't hear someone talk about barrel shroud and not post a link to this little gem. worth yalls 42 seconds, I still laugh and ive seen it a bunch of times.
But yes, it is pretty insane that these people are trying to ban things when they don't even know what this item is. Thnk about this for a second: this woman doesn't even know what a fucking barrel shroud is, but she is willing to throw your ass in prison for possessing one. That is one of the most absurd things Ive ever heard. We truly do elect the worst from our society to rule over us. Ain't 'democracy' grand?
Thank you.
Just remember the names when the dollar dies. No reserve currency, no way to mess with any of this shit.
pods
When the dollar dies, the armed security goes home to protect their families.
Nope. The elites and their guards (and families) withdraw to green zones. Rank has its privileges. Now back to work, serf, if you want to be fed tonight.
You know most of the attacks and deaths in Iraq occurred in the green zones, right?
Only for coalition troops-Iraqis died like flies outside the GZ. Ever heard of Falluja or Ramadi?
What is a green zone and how do they intend to defend it once the system crashes?
Was communist Cuba so collapsed that it couldn't support elites? Soviet Union? North Korea? A collapsed system does not mean everything stops.
Too bad most of the food production in the US is in flyover country, where people like their guns.
Is there enough food production outside of Flyoverland to keep up to, say, a million people going? I would say yes.
@@ Uncle,
Spot on. Plus 185,000 Black Friday ATF Background checks for Gun sales & all new Christmas Gun sales.
The Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. It's CEO & Board of Trutees should be afraid. Very afraid.
I think the article from Sy Hersh a few weeks ago about civil war within government agencies is beginning to look less conspiracy and more factual. We all lose.
Yes, I think civil war is on their agenda. Just look at those who have spoken out *against* these laws, like that sheriff above, a governor, some senators, even a campus president. All have been heard on the MSM alongside OBoy, Hitlary, and that bitch Attorney General. The PTB would like nothing better than to continue to divide us: Islam vs. Christianity; black vs. white; gun owner vs. gun controllers. Divide and conquer strategies.
They WANT us to come out of our homes and contest them, so they can feel 'justified' and push back. Be wary. But also be ready, because eventually they WILL bring this to our front doors. Once that happens, all bets are off...
Someone is trying just that: http://americannews.com/republican-senators-strip-dem-gov-mcauliffes-sec...
Hasn't passed but it's the right idea. Next start with Hollyweird and pigs like Michael Moore and move to imported cunts like Piers Morgan.
You do not need a gun to have a nation wide strike on everything but food handling.
Shut the sob down until They listen.
Shall not be infringed. At any level, for any reason, at any time, or anyone.....
Everything is better when it is belt fed.
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
and a warm gun, bang,bang,shoop,shoop
i personally like the mg74. mg42 in 7.62
These are not warm guns. I still have burn marks on my hands from an mg42 barrel.
“(vi) A threaded barrel.
3 words, a threaded barrel.
Just to show how shittily written this piece of legislation is.
Now we can all "assume" that they refer to a threaded muzzle that would accept a supressor, muzzle brake, or flash supressor.
However, all of my high-end bolt action rifles have threaded barrels to attach them to the receiver, which would ban them too. The devil's in the details (or lack thereof) when it relates to legislation. Just sayin...
I am thinking they mean.... speed loaders.
Hey Buttholes in D.C.... Ya, you F'UPs! That 2nd Admendment was a hard-fought and bloody Right to hold and maintain. I am not giving it up to miscreants such as those desiring to relieve me of that protective Right.
You come and get it! But you'll have to take the bullets first!
Actually that is the correct way to phrase it. Ammo is fed into the chamber from the magazine. But, what would would a cossack know about firearms?
Traitors, every each & all of them (the bill sponsors):
Mr. Cicilline (for himself, Ms. Adams, Mr. Aguilar, Ms. Bass, Mr. Becerra, Mr. Beyer, Mr. Blumenauer, Ms. Bonamici, Mr. Brendan F. Boyle of Pennsylvania, Mr. Brady of Pennsylvania, Ms. Brown of Florida, Ms. Brownley of California, Mrs. Capps, Mr. Capuano, Mr. Cárdenas, Mr. Carney, Mr. Carson of Indiana, Mr. Cartwright, Ms. Judy Chu of California, Ms. Clark of Massachusetts, Ms. Clarke of New York, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Connolly, Mr. Conyers, Mr. Courtney, Mr. Crowley, Mr. Cummings, Mr. Danny K. Davis of Illinois, Mrs. Davis of California, Ms. DeGette, Mr. Delaney, Ms. DeLauro, Mr. DeSaulnier, Mr. Deutch, Mr. Doggett, Mr. Michael F. Doyle of Pennsylvania, Ms. Duckworth, Ms. Edwards, Mr. Ellison, Mr. Engel, Ms. Eshoo, Ms. Esty, Mr. Farr, Mr. Foster, Ms. Frankel of Florida, Ms. Fudge, Mr. Gallego, Mr. Grayson, Mr. Grijalva, Mr. Gutiérrez, Ms. Hahn, Mr. Hastings, Mr. Higgins, Mr. Himes, Mr. Honda, Mr. Hoyer, Mr. Huffman, Mr. Israel, Ms. Jackson Lee, Mr. Jeffries, Mr. Johnson of Georgia, Mr. Keating, Ms. Kelly of Illinois, Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Langevin, Mr. Larson of Connecticut, Mrs. Lawrence, Ms. Lee, Mr. Levin, Mr. Ted Lieu of California, Ms. Lofgren, Mr. Lowenthal, Mrs. Lowey, Ms. Michelle Lujan Grisham of New Mexico, Mr. Lynch, Mr. McDermott, Mrs. Carolyn B. Maloney of New York, Ms. Matsui, Ms. McCollum, Mr. McGovern, Mr. Meeks, Ms. Meng, Ms. Moore, Mr. Moulton, Mr. Nadler, Mrs. Napolitano, Mr. Neal, Mr. Norcross, Ms. Norton, Mr. Pallone, Mr. Pascrell, Ms. Pingree, Ms. Plaskett, Mr. Pocan, Mr. Price of North Carolina, Mr. Quigley, Mr. Rangel, Miss Rice of New York, Mr. Richmond, Ms. Roybal-Allard, Mr. Ruppersberger, Mr. Rush, Mr. Sarbanes, Ms. Schakowsky, Mr. Schiff, Mr. Scott of Virginia, Mr. Serrano, Mr. Sherman, Mr. Sires, Ms. Slaughter, Ms. Speier, Mr. Swalwell of California, Mr. Takano, Mr. Tonko, Mrs. Torres, Ms. Tsongas, Mr. Van Hollen, Mr. Veasey, Ms. Velázquez, Mr. Vargas, Ms. Wasserman Schultz, Mrs. Watson Coleman, Ms. Wilson of Florida, and Mr. Yarmuth) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
What in the hell do we do with traitors this day in age?
I know we use to hang em. Is that still legal?
Woodchipper.
The American Guillotine.
Hanging is still legal if they are sentenced to it. All of elected "public servants" (had to stop my self from calling them officials) take a Oath to uphold and support the constitution that Oath is backed up by a bond. The bond is there to hold them to that Oath. If they violate that Oath someone can put in a claim against that bond. While that claim is in on that bond for the value of it the aren't supposed to be able to act in their elected capacity, basically they cannot vote on bills until the claim is sorted out. You can put a claim on anyone's bond if you believe and can support that claim. So you need to find out where the bonds for these congressmen are stored get a copy of them and put a claim against them, (a lien).
Check this out for details . https://tn.gov/assets/entities/tacir/attachments/2013-10Tab_4AttachA.pdf
We will have mercy and offer them a choice. Feet or head first?
You can certainly ask them "feet or head first?" But, send them through feet first - they don't deserve mercy.
Forward (over the cliff)!
as long as you duct tape their mouths
woodchippers lack bandwidth.
"I know we use to hang em. Is that still legal?"
Anymore, it's probably only legal to hang the goy among them.
Under normal circum(cised)stances, that would put 98% of them in the crosshairs, but nowadays, & with this crew, it's mathematically/impossibly probably more like 50-50
It's not illegal to suspend them like a Mussolini Pinata.
Because, in principle, you could let them down after some time, e.g. 10-100 minutes
"introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary"
As mentioned above, I believe it is all political grandstanding. I don't ever seeing it getting out of committee, if it is even taken up by the committee.
Let's take a look at who forms the Committee of the Judiciary: http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/members
I see more "R's" than "D's", and some of the D's (not on this committee though) are still NRA graded at B or better. Ted Cruz and Cornyn can see that consideration is tabled before it is even brought up for consideration.
Don't trust parties or NRA grades. Indeed, tis the NRA that pushed for defacto licensing and registration in exchange for government permission to carry. If they work inside the beltway, they are not to be trusted, period.
Interesting.
What your list omits is clarification that the are ALL Demonstercrats.
Having pointed that out, the Repugnant's disposition should not be assumed; as occurred with the ACA.
We really need to vote all incumbents out of office, and make a second career of political activism.
These people are SICK! If it weren't bad enough that they KNOW it will do NOTHING to make Americans safer, they openly flout their disregard for the Constitution which they prattle on day and night about when they want to let murderous immigratants from the third world flood our country... Heads we lose, tails they win. They are nothing but a bunch of liars and murderers! SO much blood on their hands!
There is a big sign in my gun shop, " all sales are final".
I got mine and there will be no returns
Baby steps towards a full on gun grab!
The agenda rolls on unabated......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...
And what you care about it?
Only concern is spamming same link since over a week now.
Tangential relating somehow to topic is not comment, but attempt your spamming to justify with pseudo relevance.
Spammer go drink poison.
Your comment could be considered as a hate crime or possibly a direct threat to this persons life....I will forward onto relevant authorities!
Yes, is hate crime and please go reporting.
Here is another.
Spammer go on frozen river and jumping on thin ice, repeating until ice breaks.
Done!
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes
I somehow find not believable you take time away from spamming, same exact link under a new handle, and reporting violation of inalienable spamming right.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-28/isis-flees-ramadi-what-they-lef...
More hate crime you to tell:
Go in front of moving train leaping.
Spambot obey!
A mute can still punch ya in the face which is what I would do if I didn't shoot ya.
Yeah except blind people with overactive bladders don't write laws.
It really doesn't matter if this bill passes, the constitution already gives us the right. I think all Americans know that.
If they really wanted to ban weapons, then they would. This is another distraction imo. Just as guns do not kill people; likewise guns cannot save people...time always catches up.
Obama is not leaving office; they are moving U.S. to martial law. An eventual coup is coming and already has and most people will not care because they will be too busy trying to survive.
More biblical prophecy coming to light is on the horizon. Good for some and not so good for many.
Do I really need to post links?
That has been said of EVERY president since and including the first Bush.
Soo fucking tired of hearing it.
- "More biblical prophecy coming to light is on the horizon. Good for some and not so good for many."
..and I suppose Jesus (my gardener) revealed this to you?
"I see (and hear) dead people".
And $10,000 and ounce of gold...soon correct?
Sadly the US Constitution came complete with a back door, as all things government do. If you please, Article VI of our illustrious US Constitution:
Article. VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever
be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Quite the little doublespeak gem buried in there isn't it?
But the best part is listening to everyone kick and scream from their keyboard.
Bitch, moan, type. Rince and repeat.
You all seem content to let it happen.
Where is your outrage, other than on-screen?
Yes, continue to downvote me, since it seems all you are able to do.
Glad I could ease your pain.
So how do you think you know that that is all that people do? That's why you get the down vote cause you're only spreading apathy.
I see downvotes and hear crickets.
No links, no stories of how they fought back. The only thing you see is stories of,......nope, nothing.
So, what would you recommend re: 'fighting back?' Write yer Congress(wo)man?
Tell the SWAT team to stop violating yer rights?
In some respects, this is just a shakedown to get pro-2nd Amendment folks to 'donate' to a lobbying group in order to 'influence' Congress/Senate to table this bill!
hey flagit, didn't catch all that as I was AT THE RANGE......., what was that, you are looking for stories or some bull$hit?
I would agree but it also gives us the freedom of speech and religion, and isn't that working out just peachy....
I know what you mean, but it doesn't give us the right, it merely recognizes it.
Stems from the right to life, and being able to protect said life as you see fit.
Old concepts in this day and age. The pendulum will swing back though.
pods
"""the constitution already gives us the right."""
The constitution does not GIVE us the rights in just acknowledges their existance as inherent.
Emil Minty!
the 2nd amendment a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
it would seem the only way to tweak this would be a constitutional amendment to abolish or alter this.
any other federal law is unconstitutional that infringes that right
Unfortunately, it appears not. Check out Article VI of the US COnstitution. It looks like a nifty little backdoor to whatever Congress wants to legislate when the right time comes, of course...
The ferral kid. Ah yes....(did not even have to look it up).
I agree, it doesn't grant us any rights, those were granted by our creator. However, I don't believe inherent is the correct word.
Nothing but the Creator (whom or whatever you chose that to be) has instilled within me the ability for speech, self defense, and property. Nothing protects them except my will to do so from those that may infringe them. Fuck the Constitution, since that shit wasn't written for ME. It was written for the asshat GOVERNMENT to obey.
This bill has exactly zero chance of passing anyway. It would mean the end os the Republic for sure, but maybe that's the point. Since the rest of the world is not playing along with washington to start a war, maybe another go at a war between the states is plan B.
Ye but you will need to discipline your Supreme Court Judges, after they decide this bill is not against your constitutional right.
But won't I need a high-capacity magazine and a threaded barrel for that?
Perhaps one of these? Highly accurate from a book depository!
The constitution gives you nothing. Individuals have only those rights which they are able to keep and secure for themselves.
Your rights are yours, because you exist.
Got scare more stupid sheeple into registering themselves as gun owners either via background checks or by rushing out for government permission to carry.
Dictator: "It really doesn't matter if this bill passes, the constitution already gives us the right. I think all Americans know that." (12/28 @ 12:17 | 6970704)
Your comment suggests that you're an ideologue, and lack (a) Legal finesse and (b) Administrative experience.
RE (a) Legal finesse: What they are likely to argue, by using very specific weasel-words and words of misdirection, is something to the effect of: "We are not preventing citizens the right or ability to bear Arms for personal and civil defense. What we are doing, is preventing the use of tactical weapons that can be used in mass-shootings."
RE (b) Administrative games: "We are merely identifying and specifying what types of arms, accessories and features constitute a "Weapon of Mass Shootings" (WMS)."
The MSM will be fully on board. Even those who presently are not.
And, as usual, the MSM, Sheeple and even most Libertarians will fall for the False Narrative, the minute they respond to the Pavlovian Stimulus, i.e. by talking about the arms themselves, rather than the other and more salient aspects and more salient Narrative:
(a) Use of tactical arms by the Mentally Ill (lone nut jobs),
(b) Use of arms by Drug Users,
(c) Use of arms by Black Youth (13-28) in inner cities, and last but not least
(d) The Ability of the People to rebel against a tyrannical government, when normal and lawful means have been exhausted. Call it the '1776 Clause', which the Second Amendment refers to.
Fucking ideologues and their lala-land they live in... True power is not exercised by "a piece of paper", but by the end of a gun. Otherwise you can waive your law books, the next time you're held at gunpoint, and see who wins that argument.
I have to disagree, but not like you think. The Constitution doesn't give us any rights, it mearly forces the government to recognize those natural rights enumerated in the BOR. Even if the 2A was eliminated from the Constitution it would not deprive you of the natural right to self-defence. The point of all the modern legal-ese is to shift the conversation away from natural rights and into what the "government" will or won't allow you to do, have, or say.
Congress can pass any turd they want if they don't amend the Constitution then they are violating it.
No they actually are not violating the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. These documents are not in effect in the "United States". The reality is that it is all a fraud. If you are a U.S. citizen you have no rights or privileges except the ones that run the "Federal Corporation" you are employed with want you to have. Which are none. Any of you that claim to be a U.S. Citizen are under the jurisdiction of a Federal Corporation called "United States". Every position up to the supreme court pretends that these documents are in place because either 1. They claim to be ignorant 2. They're afraid of what will happen to them if you and enough others know that they are not in effect 3. They willingly participate in the fraud to profit from it.
This is all rubber stamping the roll out of total tyranny that already exists in theory but that they are incrementally applying in reality. The only way it will stop is if there is so much push back they can't control the results. There are plenty of willful, knowing and participating traitors to freedom throughout America and the world.
Since in the "United States" this is by definition the largest organized criminal conspiracy (RICO) and fraud in history they are all criminals under their own Codes and statutes and can be arrested, charged and imprisoned any time anyone in any position of authority chooses to do so. It really is that simple.
Unfortunately out of the millions of people that take oaths to these documents they believe are in effect i.e. armed forces, judges, lawyers, law enforcement, public officials etc. and have the authority to take action lawfully few if any have been, are, or would be willing to do so. Most knowingly participate and profit from it to the maximum extent possible especially lawyers and judges. Feel free to look up RICO, fraud, etc.
DEFINITIONS
28 U.S. Code § 3002 (15)(A)(B)(C)
"(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-27/atlas-shrugged-er-government-no...
My right to bear arms is an unalienable human right that no government has to power to take. So they can take all their wacky interpretations of the law and go fuck themselves.
Except you don't have an army to back up your claim to rights. They do. Might is what makes right. A constitution only exists so long as there is a willing army to back it up.
I think you are forgetting about the 'well regulated militia". If we can't count on the military to support and defend the Constitution then it falls on the citizen soldier. That you and I
Expect many false flags featuring AKs and ARs in the near future to help this bill along.
They better hurry up Doc, with how things are going, nobody is going to have cable to watch them unfold pretty soon.
Already few really listen to anything Chalky says. As we slowly grind down further, nobody will give a shit.
They are getting less and less mileage from each one. Columbine was ammo for a decade or more.
Now, people can't even keep they separate anymore.
pods
If retailers and manufacturers were smart they would partner up on mega-deals for AR's and AK's and make this proposed illegal bill the rallying cry.
Because when you get right down to it the AR & AK are merely the current day equivalent of the scary black rifle the British tried to deny citizens during the Revolution - the musket.
Time for the Spirit of '76 to well up in Americans! Time for Lexington & Concord 2.0!
Molan Labe!
The musket the British were trying to keep locked up from the crazy Colonialists was a .77 cal smooth-bore Brown Bess with a 44" barrel. That horks up a 600+ grain lead ball about 3/4" in diameter. That would certainly scare the crap out of me.
They will need a recently discharged veteran, who obtained a black gun at a gun show without a background check, anti-government ranting on the internet, who shoots a federal agent hosting his child's birthday party at a McDonald's.
A civil war is going to be inconvenient to the fsa and liberals. Mail might not run on time
When you are kneeling in front of the ditch, its a little late for an apiffany.
If they are going to try to make me dig my own grave so I can sit in it while they blow my brains out, then they'll have to deal with a fucking righteously angry bastard swinging a shovel first.
Fabulous line!!! I'm going to make a bumper sticker out of that one! (But I'll fix the spelling first.)
Where do you think the conscripts are coming from?
"A civil war is going to be inconvenient to the fsa and liberals. Mail might not run on time"
So, do you recommend that the F$A move to have their "entitlements" delivered by direct deposit?
Where is the legislation banning automobiles -- those cold steel killers of THOUSANDS of Americans each year?
Democrats: your anti-constitutional paternalism is highly provocative. My advice: stop poking the bear before it wakes up and bites your face off.
Thank Allah we've got Paul Ryan!!!
I said it once I will say it again, Paul Rino is no conservative and a republican in name only. The conservatives should of stuck to their "guns" and not of voted for him and let a Dem come in just to show the Rino's. The could of always had another vote later and put in a real Constitutionalist.
The power to prohibit includes the power to prohibit all. The sponsors of these bills should be charged with treason and then summarily executed. And by the way .gov. FUCK YOU
But you know that won't happen. Only a handful will bother to look at the sponsor list. Even less will act on that information.
I never in a million years thought I would have to become Jewish to have any semblance of unity.
"I never in a million years thought I would have to become Jewish to have any semblance of unity."
Welcome to my life circa 1983!
See ya' at the JCC pal.
so local leo(s) NEED mrap(s), ar(s) & bar(s) but a standard glock 17/19 mag is a threat to national security? and this has nothing to do w/control? um, yeah, right...
Really stupid. For example, the Ruger Mini-14 with a wooden stock is exempt but the "tactical" version would be banned.
Yep, they are idiots. Hi Point carbine has a pistol grip and an optional forward grip. Would be banned under this law. Available in 9mm and 45 auto and would be considered an assualt weapon. Give me a break.
You are playing with Reality Rules. They are playing by Feeling Rules.
Read again. A "threaded" barrel. Talk about a clever loophole designed to deliberately deceive people.
I don't know if I own any rifle that doesn't have a barrel that is screwed into the receiver. Of course they won't use this definition when arguing for passage, but later on...
"A "threaded" barrel."
I believe in this case the intent was for the other end to be threaded - you know, to accept scary things like muzzle brakes, flash hiders and suppressors.
But, I could be wrong. Besides, a Mossy 500 and the Remmy 870's barrels aren't threaded into the receiver! Yay, we win.
Tarabel; indeed. What rifle does not have rifling?
Ralph; that is exactly why I (in CA) bought a mini-14 with a wooden stock ... just pest control offiSAH.
They think that guns are magical devices that can only exist if they say so. Too bad that's not how it works. https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/ And guns aren't nearly as bad as it could get. explosives are fairly easy to make, as is various poison gases. The thing that scares me are bio-weapons that in this day and age would be easy to synthesis and weaponize and our third world cities like Chicago are very soft targets.....
Thanks for the link. I will be sure to share it with as many people as possible.
I don't understand why most people don't understand this.
Gun technology is 17th century (you can argue even eariler) and perfected in 1911 (over one hundread years ago) or 1947 (Depending on your view of things I guess)
Banning guns would also require the registration and monitoring of every single fucking drill press, metal lathe and screw press in the entire country. That's if you wanted to make your own, otherwise you can just walk whatever gun you wanted across the southers border.
Fucking joke.
This bill would never get through Congress if it stood on its own. This will likely get folded into an "omnibus" bill or an "ant-terrorism' bill.
Makes sense. Government will outlaw the weapons, but won’t act right away.
Over time… .People will fall into line.
Go to Yahoo, 'Terrorists With Assault Weapons Rewrite the Script" '
Soon, "Terrorists with high-capacity shotgun hunting rifles'.
I hear 3D printing technologies are rapidly improving...
Worked great for Germany. LOL Rapes are 'only' up 600%.
Nothing to see here, move along, move along. And if you disagree you are a xenophobic racist (Muslim isn't a race but who cares in a world without logic and reason).
High school metal work and some hardware store components.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHAO8oxwioU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv33pCUkLRM
Man I love Youtube it really shows that an empowered individual willing to educate them self is capable of building anything.
a little gift for all the "Bitter Clingers" out there
If it passes I buy a unfinished reciever billet and take my gun apart and go canoeing. When the man comes I hand him the registered reciever and wave goodbye.
Molon Labe.
Clarification of the intended scope could be positive. If the intention is to enable the citizens to protect themselves against government, then it should be clarified that local militia should have the right to bear arms having similar capabilities as the arms which are possessed by governments and which could be used against the citizens?
Laws must be interpreted by reference to their intent.
The government has nothing to fear from a bunch of locals with machine guns, but watch out for the individual who can hit a small target with a scoped, bolt action deer rifle.
"The government has nothing to fear from a bunch of locals with machine guns, but watch out for the individual who can hit a small target with a scoped, bolt action deer rifle."
Because that individual can now equip himself with the forbidden weapons possessed by the enforcers.
Finished it for ya'.
That's what drones are for...
The most feared gunman is a trained sniper.
Death from afar, even before the sound arrives (you're dead, loud bang)