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Obamacare Is Sucking Up To 10% Of Americans' Incomes
The latest dilemma facing economists is why "unequivocally good" low oil prices haven't sparked excuberant consumer spending across America. We have discussed the simple (though awkward for the establishment) answer many times - soaring costs for 'shelter' and healthcare have hoovered up every penny saved (and more); and now, a new study proves it- exposing the reality that many Obamacare customers pay more than 10 percent of their incomes toward coverage (and some paying considerably more).
The shocking findings show that, as CNBC summarizes, One in 10 Obamacare customers who earn between just two and five times the federal poverty level will have coverage costs that exceed 21 percent of their incomes, an analysis by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Urban Institute found.
And the median Obamacare customer who earns in that range spends more than 10 percent of their income on monthly premiums and out-of-pocket health expenses, the analysis found.
"Many who have modest incomes have high financial burdens even with average medical expenses," the report said.
"For those at the top of the [health] spending distribution, financial burdens are very high."
"You start to get hit pretty hard," said John Holahan, an Urban Institute fellow, and co-author of the report.
So in case you were wondering why your 'pocket book' never improved - it's simple - the commandeerer in chief's plan has sucked up all your extra savings.
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As far as the "Health Care" industry is concerned........Mission Accomplished
This is a big f_ckin deal - Uncle Joe
How many of the world's 50 wealthiest nations provide free and universal health coverage? The answer is, of course, 49.The entire wealthy or "developed" world does so, with the exception of the United States
Then move to one of the 49
I laugh when I hear them call it "healthcare."
Ain't nothing healthy about it. I did well avoiding the system so far. Premiums are still low thank heavens.
So much fucked up with the system in the US you cannot even find out where to start to sort it out. Gordian knot.
pods
No kidding I did the math when they announced the tax 'penalty' for not having insurance, WAY cheaper than shelling out hundreds of dollars a month with a 5K or higher deductible needed before they kick in a penny. I've been uninsured for over 5 years now, only went to the dentist a couple of times and the eye doc, paid cash both times.
"I will pay Obama's gas & mortgage"
~Jospeh Peggy
If you like your disposable income, you....
...can DISPOSE of it (& be left with hope & change for your efforts).
if you are healthy the only option is opt out. set the premiums aside and watch it grow. what part of self insured don't you understand. oh to be healthy. that is the issue. food, exercise and positive attitude and premium free and watch the account grow...
as predicted, the healthy say fuck off.
everybody in my family premium free, ha. fuck off fascist healthcare!
the healthy pay for the irresponsible unhealthy fuks, don't be a fool. opt out.
insurance needs idiots to pay for their liabilities, all playing on fear. insurance=fear...
ps. i got an terror policy with very high premiums just for you, ha again.
Avoiding the western diet may let one dodge: cavities, diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, alzheimers, hypothyroidism, cancer and obesity (and probably a few others). Wherever the europen explorers brought white flour and sugar, these diseases followed...
I was going to reply to your commnet ... but I forgot what I was going to say.
I think it was....."appropriate to place Obama and suck, in the same headline".
http://salaries.texastribune.org/ scroll towards the bottom. You are paying for somebody's lifestyle and it ain't yours.
http://salaries.texastribune.org/
http://salaries.texastribune.org/the-university-of-texas-medical-branch-...
look at the pigs at the trough
I knew we were screwed the moment Obama named it the "Affordable Care Act".
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That guy just kills me! No, I mean it. Really. kills. me.
(And I don't even need to depend on the VA!)
EPIC
FAIL
Yes Goodfellow, once one understands the language "inverse speak" it is easy to understand at least some of what comes out of the mouths of elected GOVT "servants"
it's only a Gordian knot if the adoption of a well-tested other method/system as solution would have a violent result
nearly thirty other so called first world countries have a system that works and is affordable... particulary in comparison
but the "US healthcare" industry insists that it's... socialist
Ghordius, ever see any surveys of england's hospitals for example, the infection rates, the open wards - filth and doctor strikes?? for many years we avoided that minimum care model in USA and by the very fact that so many elites from around the world COME HERE for serious conditions.makes it all too obvious, you live with minimal care often poor care vs the old system we had in USA..which provided excellent care for a very long time. not now.
seems ,i guess. I am always running into exceptions, like a canadian friend who told me of the horrors of canadian wait lists and refusal of care ..it's free up there in canada but it is often not available also.
There are people whoi slip through the cracks, but don't kide yourself it is much much better than the alternitives. If you get sick up here, costs are not the first thing you worry about.
first, the UK is not the only country that uses that model. it's one out of some 30 of the so called first world countries alone. the UK and Canada are two countries and hardly representative
second, "the elites" that come to the US for medical treatments have nothing to do with your healthcare. it's fully private clinics, with downpayments before treatments even start
third... the system you had before? I really can't talk about that, I have little knowledge of it. I vaguely remember that involved employers, which frankly sounds to my ears distasteful and neo-feudal. why don't you tell me why the Dems found it had to change? perhaps because it was not "universal"?
Those countries are broke, too.
It seems a voluntary employer-based plan is far less 'feudal' than one where the the lords of DC dictate what the peasants will buy.
'Universal' care has nothing do with healthcare! It's about slavery. It's a Trojan Horse. It IS the new feudalism.
You're apparently not old enough to remember when 'cash' doctor visits were reasonably priced, yet you call voluntary health insurance 'neo-feudal'. It was decades ago. It was before Medicare/Medicaid, funded with fraudulent FED fiat, drove prices through the roof. End the FED.
is it a kind of involuntary reflex, this "those countries are broke, too"? neo-feudalism, the way I understood this term, is about corporations fully owning their employees
"universal" in regard to healthcare means that you are not left in the gutter bleeding. you are picked up and your bleeding is fixed, first, and then, perhaps, a discussion about costs is done
I am more then old enough... and completely elsewhere
That happens here too. Just visit an urban ER on a Saturday night. Insurance is just like the Federal Government, 1) sell with fear and promises. 2) charge up the wazzoo and keep the price increases coming. 3) Welch on the payout, slow play it, bait and switch, give them the shit product.
We are all going to die despite Eric Schmidt's brilliance....deal with it.
most things in America are neofeudal and based on slavery. They do want to fully own their employees and they want them scared and worried (they probably learned these tricks from religion)
I've lived in all 3 countries (US, Canada and UK) and American healthcare is not better even though it costs much more. I have noticed how doctors push anti depressants no matter if you need them or not. And they are very pushy. The same goes for diabetes drugs (without telling you that diet and exercise can stop you from getting type 2 diabetes)
The foreigners that come to the US for treatments are usually misinformed (or believe Hollywood movies). I have met many disillusioned foreigners that were not happy with American doctors at all
I have never seen such predatory doctors (and vets) - it's all about pushing drugs. Curing you is the last thing they want. They want you to be their annuity.
Even for dogs - vets sell food made of grains . I see many little terriers in San Francisco have diabetes (and are on expensive drugs). I had the same problem with my dog years ago and the groomer told me to stop buying the grain baased food (I used to buy from the same expensive vet).
As soon as I removed grais my dog became healthy and has been healthy ever since.
I have heard many similar stories with American docotors and how they treat their patients - it's all about prescribing drugs (they get kickback for) and they don't even know how to interpret scientific data as well explained in this book by a director of Max Plnk Institute in Berlin:
http://www.amazon.com/Risk-Savvy-Make-Good-Decisions/dp/0143127101/ref=s...
big pharma owns the doctors in the US. And they do whatever big pharma tells them
The UK imports Pakistani Muslim doctors, some who like to blow things up! Hospice (euthanasia) was started in the UK right after...wait for it...national healthcare.
The world system is socialist though. The vast majority of R&D costs are paid by the US. Other nations pay production costs (plus a small markup) because the FDA is the gold standard. Only very recently has the EP, JP and others started to play a role. For the longest time everyone "followed the FDA."
That is why there are re-importation laws in the US.
Almost all arguments about drugs are myopic and disingenuous. They look at costs for bringing a drug to market. But you have to take into account that there are dozens of possible molecules that start out, with final approval of 1 drug having to shoulder the costs of all the non-selected ones. Especially when a new class is being looked at.
So your argument holds well, when looked at in singular. But, when looked at as a whole, those systems depend on the larger system as a whole.
If you were to shoulder R&D costs on those other systems, they soon become unworkable.
pods
I frankly don't know enough about that to be drawn into particulars, here. call it a "jumping into the fray" because you mentioned a Gordian Knot
but if medical drugs development is shouldered by America... why are some of the most prestigious megacorps in that business based in Switzerland? a silly question to which I never had a satisfactory answer
Pharma are global manufacturers and global distributors. It doesn't matter where they are physically located. I would therefore assume that the HQs are distributed according to how each sees the combination of tax exposure and liability. The current merger of Pfizer and Allergen is a good example. Pfizer wants to get the hell out of the US.
Oh I don't have the answers Ghordius, frankly I doubt anyone does.
I just hate how discussions tend to focus on single parts without taking into account the whole system, in an international sense.
pods
me too, and the "it's socialist and it works badly" meme tends to focus on comparisons with Canada and the UK only
but in the case of the drug industry, one "exceptionalistic" comment is possible: the US market for them is special, and way more expensive. I'd say... cornered
and this, as in my comment further below, smells of corruption
Question, Ghordius: Do you consider yourself a socialist?
my goodness, no. my political views could be summarized as centrist, in the old sense of the word
I am against excesses, radicalism and extremism
Liberty, Fraternity and Equality... in Moderation. Which is a virtue, btw
but being in the middle of the political spectrum makes me of course a target for all extremists from all three main political directions, and cranks, too
I laugh when they call them a nation.
..."We've Cypressed a few Americans"...
Puppet in Chief of the NWO
B H Obama
it isn't that fucking asy to move fucktard. And maybe someone should stay and fix it.
red pill, could you define : "free health care"?? here in amerika you show up at an ER and no habla english and by gosh it;s alll free!!!!!!!!!!
for all you it's free in my country types: the most expensive care i have been envolved with, were, non citizens of usa, who came here for OUR medicine.
care to explain dat??(.MDR TB, to long term hyperalimentation as examples.) you ship your expensive cases to USA..that's the truth.
indeed, I know some dozen cases of Britons, South Africans and Australians that went to the US for medical treatments
every and each case, though, paid a lot of money for those. and often, they shopped elsewhere for medicines, them being particularly expensive in the US
are you suggesting they could have had their treatments for free, or at a rebate? if yes, please tell how
This nation's formula has worked for 250+ years. Freedom and an opportunity to realize your career dream. Nobody mentioned free shit when the Founders wrote the Constitution. Now take your parasitic ass and choke yourself.
So true and so Trump'ish. USSA needs a healthly does of Trumpism's or it will be, without a doubt, SCHLONGED (sic),
"Now take your parasitic ass and choke yourself."
If you are in the Health Care Industry or invest in the same, start with yourself.
BTW, if you are an undocumented tomato picker, repetitive motion injuies will break
you down long before retirement.
You pay for cheap tomatoes with your health care.
Took Red Pill: Wow, do you mean to say that doctors, nurses, hospitals and pharmaceutical companies in those 49 other countries provide all their services without receiving ANY compensation? How generous of them.
Of course, it's not free. People in those countries are paying for their health care out of their taxes instead of paying premiums, copays and deductibles. There is no such thing as "free" health care.
Yes, that's true. But they are more efficent and much less expensive than our "for profit" system
Yes, they're so efficient that people die waiting in line.
P.S. American healthcare is already subsidized (aka socialized) heavily, and that's one of the reasons why it's so expensive.
Ah, yes, Red Pill ... There's that dreaded "P" word: profit.
And your claim regarding solcialized medicine being "more efficient and much less expensive" than a true, unencumbered for profi system is laughable. Seems to me that you need a refund on your pills -- you clearly ingested the blue one.
Healthcare Insurers make nice profits
Healthcare Industry makes nice profits
What concept are you not grasping? Can you read and understand a financial statement? Can you get your mind around the cost containment problem that has to exist when one profitable industry provides another profitable industry with ALL of it's revenues?
But unlike the US healthcare, our healthcare was desinged to be cheap (but functional) - grumpy doctors, ugly (often state owned) hospitals, emphasis on preventive care, it is difficult to sue hospitals for damages etc. Is this what you want? Or do you want (not so much functional) luxury paid by someone else?
Took Red Pill.
Help me out here, sport.
Define free. Tell me, and anyone else, how these other countries, provide healthcare for FREE. The doctors and nurses don't get paid? Contractors build the hospitals at no charge? They donate their time? Medicine and supplies are magically produced for zero renumeration?
This sounds like a fairy tale. But, it can't be....because people keep bringing it up.
Free, universal health care!!!! Free. Fucking free!!! How is this?
Can they also do free food and water?
Free houses?
Free roads, bridges, power plants and wastewater?
Free military defense?
Or is it just magic free healthcare? Doesn't cost nobody chit.
Amazing! How do they det doctors and nurses to work for free? They must also find Hospitals with free rent, no cost electricity, entire support staffs who work for nothing. If it is truly free, that seems to be the only logical way it would work. Free is free. Noone paying anything for anything. Wow.
"How many of the world's 50 wealthiest nations provide free and universal health coverage?"
Please explain this "free" part of your statement. Do the doctors all work on a volunteer basis? Do the hospitals write off all of their expenses as a loss? I just cannot wrap my head around modern health care being provided to all the citizens of any country at absolutely no cost - to SOMEBODY.
It's sorta' like when I buy a new car and it comes with "free tires". Somewhere in the price I've paid for those tires.
tookredpill - bullshit....nothing is free...the united states gives billions to other countries so that they can have 'free' this and that. wait til the QE stops for good then show me the countries with free.....
"How many of the world's 50 wealthiest nations provide free and universal health coverage?"
You got that backwards:
49 of the 50 indebted nations provide free and universal health coverage. The entire developed would is buried in debt. Its so bad that the develop world now needs to borrow money just to pay the interest due on the existing debt.
About 40 of the 49 citizens need to seek treatment overseas because their socailized heatlhcare, does pay for expensive treatments. In one case in Sweden, a double leg amputee was denied a motored wheelchair because "He might grow his legs back".
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/socialized-healthcare-amputee-denied-whee...
We must have different definitions of "free". I would refer to healthcare in those countries as "prepaid with 30-45% of your annual income, whether you utilize it or not".
For those of you still challenged by false-dichotomies, that criticism against "free & universal coverage" is not an endorsement of the Fascist system within the USA.
Obamacare and the Stamp Act are essentially the same thing.
Doubled my before Obamascam rates a and has risen on average 7% per year since.
If you're healthy makes more sense to ditch the coverage, pay the fine and pay cash for healthcare that you actually need and not pay for some deadbeat welfare dbag who is a 5th generation free money leech.
Precisely what I do.
pay the fine, hmmm, really? read the irs exceptions to continuous coverage! vague and you are a qualifier of exempt from the penalty, seriously...
Maybe I mis-heard...
Was Obamacare Affordable or Horrible Healthcare?
Forget about carbon taxes. This is a tax on your very existence.
Yeah well for all the douchenozzles who thought this was a brilliant idea and who utterly failed to heed our warnings about how expensive 'free' healthcare (cough!) was going to be and voted asswipes in that shoved this turd down all our throats its hard to feel sorry for them. And now the failure is working all according to proglodye design and provides the excuse needed to end private insurers once and for all and make government the single payer, ensuring horseshit DMV quality care at the highest possible cost for every living soul. Solidifying Serfdom for a more safer and secure future! It's what the fools want, yes?
The whole lot should be hunted down and slain!
"Obamacare Is..."...BULL-Fucking-Shit Tyler.
THE "HEALTH" INDUSTRY/LOBBY ->>>> is Sucking Up To 10% Of Americans' Incomes.
Who wrote the fucking ACA? Those evil “Liberals”? Only a RightwingNutjob believes that fucken BULLSHIT…CORPORATE AMERICA wrote OBAMACARE!
"Those fucken Liberals" were just Proxies in Corporate America's Lobbying War TO FORCE YOU TO BUY THIER PRODUCTS....AND...this is INCREDIBLY FUCKEN BOLD...if you can't afford to pay, then the GOVERNMENT will be forced to pay for you...WHAT A SWEET FUCKEN DEAL THAT IS!
> Michelle Easton, was lobbying for WellPoint as a principal at Tarplin, Downs, and Young.
> Michelle was replaced by Elizabeth Folwer
> Baucus Thanks Wellpoint VP Liz Fowler for Writing Health Care Bill
> “If you drew an organizational chart of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be the chief operating officer."
> The Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America lobby was one of the most aggressive supporters - and most lavish beneficiaries - of the health care bill drafted by Fowler.
> When the Obama White House needed someone to oversee implementation of Obamacare after the bill passed, it chose . . . Liz Fowler.
> "Elizabeth Fowler is leaving the White House for a senior-level position leading 'global health policy' at Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group.”
Liberals? Bullshit! Corporate America has a the full rainbow of ism's...Liberalism, Conservatism, MiddleGroundism...motherfuckers are all fully represented in Corporate America and ONE THING that unites every last one of these motherfuckers is GREEED! The ACA is what happens when CORPORATIONS RUN THE GOVERNMENT.
Hillary/Bernie going to take them on and take them down? LOL...no fucking way!
Jeb or the other fucknuts? LOL,,,yeah, right.
Trump? Well, maybe...I doubt it, but mayyybe...he seems to be in it 100% now..burning bridges left and right...he MAY just be the guy to tell these corporate psycopaths to go fuck themselves...BUT...can Trump take on, and take down, the REPUBLICANS in CONGRESS that will AGGRESSIVELY defend the "Health Lobby's" interests?
We'll see...maybe.
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ObamaCare, as envisioned by "Those fucken Liberals", was not what eventually passed...meet CORPORATE HEALTH LOBBIEST Liz Fowler...KILLER of the LIBERAL version/form/idea of "ObamaCare" and ARCHITECT OF THE CORPORATE version/form/idea of "ObamaCare".
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lo...
Left wing Right wing, it all ends up being fascism. Government and Corporations fucking us for every penny they can squeeze out of us. From patents to copyrights to central banks to mansanto to healthcare to auto insurance to free trade to trademarks and more.
Its government protecting the profits of big corporations.
Had McCain won....the ACA would have been renamed to "The Free Market Health Care Affordability Act" and Rightwingnuts would have been all excited...until it passed and then everyone figured out what was in it...a HUGE giveaway to the "Health Industry".
FFS. Say what you will about left/right, red/blue, socialist/capitalist ... but you can't discount that Obamacare was passed without a single Republican vote in the Senate or House of Representatives. Not. One.
So for you to sit here and try to claim that this was not foisted on us by anyone other than those in the D-party -- that is, liberals, progressives, and socialists -- well ... it's bogus Even if your claim that it is -- and I will paraphrase here -- "the corporations who made this happen" is true, Obamacare would still be a dream if it didn't have the votes of those libs, progs and statists in the D party.
So, please ... how about sparing us with your intellectual dishonesty and call a spade a spade.
Left Right bullshit.
The Dems owned it all, the Lobby money went to the Dems, the Dems pushed it through.
Reverse the coin, the Repubs owned it all, the Lobby money goes to them...ACA passes under a new name.
Get off this Right/Left bullshit...nothing but proxies...the war is not Right vs. Left...It's Right/Left/Corporate vs The American People.
WHO CARES which party VOTED for it? The question is WHO LOBBIED to "shape" it and for the FINAL PASSAGE!
Bullshit. Lobby my ass. This wasn't on the radar until the progressives, liberals and socialists decided to pass A LAW that foisted this mostrosity on THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Apologetic BS.
And more intellectual dishonsety coming from YOU. The Republicans were fine with the status quo. Enough with the "left/right is all the same nonsense." There is a real political spectrum, whether you wish to admit it or not that exists. It is the socialists and those on the left who love to try and control the language in order to obfuscate and deflect -- and you are doing that here.
H_O_G_S_H_I_T
"Progessives" my ass...You think this is what "Progessives" wanted? You're a fucken idiot..."Progressives" were (and still are) STEAMING FUCKEN MAD at Congress and Obama for ALLOWING CORPORATE AMERICA to HIJACK their desire for a SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM!
Is the ACA a Single Payer System? Fuck NO!
It's CRONY CORPORATE CAPITALISM fucknuts, NO "Progressives" were for that!
You think Republicans are going to standup against Crony Corporate Capitalism? Yeah, they will, AS LONG AS there is NO CHANCE IN FUCKING HELL of ACTUALLY STOPPING IT...their "philosphical" opposition to "X" is JUST A SHOW for morons that still believe the Right/Left bullshit...in the end LOBBY MONEY WINS!
Right and Left "voters" were OVERWHELMING opposed to the Wall Street bailout...IT PASSED ANYWAY...because the "Lobbyists" were for it...
If Mitt Romney was elected we would have "Romneycare" which is the same as Obamacare. The Republicans would have voted for it and called it "conservative" because it "creates jobs".
The end result would be the same. Left/right is all theater.
Go back to 2008. Nobody on the right was advocating for any radical changes in the healthcare system.
LOL!
You're a dumbass...BUSH and the REPUBLICANS had JUST FINISHED an $800,000,000,000...$800 BILLION....UNFUNDED GIVEAWAY...."radical change"....to MEDICARE you stupid fuck....geesh!
That was the focus of the Corporate lobby and "Mission Accomplished"...the next step FOR THE CORPORATE LOBBY was the R version of the ACA; RomneyCare...but Wall Street 'Blew'd up' and Bush handed the Government over to the Democrats...SO THE LOBBY MONEY POURED INTO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY...and...VIOLA...The ACA passed...FORCING YOU to buy, at grossly inflated prices, A PRIVATE INSURANCE PRODUCT!
That's "progessivism"...forcing you to enrich Corporate America?
Obamas signature legislation is a clusterfuck and the media just continues to ignore its total and inevitable collapse.
Hey Cog, we call it the HIC or the Healthcare Industrial Complex.
to be added to the:
MIC - You already know this one.
CIC - Criminal (Justice) Industrial Complex
BIC - Bankster Industrial Complex
RIC - Realturd Industrial Complex
GIC - Govt Industrial Complex
IIC - Insurance (scam) Industrial Complex
Not in any particular order...
Have I offended everybody here yet?
Kali Protochronia,
Spoctor Din
EIC: Educational ......
Thanks man, I missed that one...
;-)
Health care is a fucking racket!
It's populated by an elite core of people who have figured out that it's a "good or commodity" with HIGHLY inelastic demand.
The tranlsation into simple terms everyone can understand follows"
It's a license to SCREW YOU OVER!
"There is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over". Frank Zappa
It's the vampire economy where the corporate fascist companies suck the life out of all of us, courtesy of the US Government,
Fuck Obamacare. I still don't have it. My shameless, must read.
http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2015/12/now-is-time-to-make-heal...
The answer is Single Payer.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer
Fat chance of getting this in a Republican controlled congress who, as we know, is dedicated to making the rich richer.
"Republican controlle..." you do realize that this was done when the dems had congress and the white.house. They had the power to do anything and this is what we got. If you think only one party is corrupt, you're not paying attention.
Sorta correct Commie.
1. A Single Payer, Free Market, hybrid system is what's needed. Everyone pays in, everyone gets BASIC care...if you want more than that, you're free to, or to not, buy it...BUT NO MORE "why should I be forced to buy insurance?"....followed, eventually, by...."I can't pay for it, BUT I DEMAND the care I can't pay for, now that I really need it".
2. It's not a Repulican or Democrat Controlled Congress/WhiteHouse...Both are under TOTAL Corporate Control.
Those $6,000.00 deductibles are real killers.
Since we don't count the $6,000 deductibles in the cost of health care, we can smugly report that, like everything else, no inflation to report in this commodity! The Fed has achieved it's goal of full employment (of waitresses and bartenders) and low (under & misreported) inflation.
Mission accomplished.
Keep the faith in FIAT, because it is all you have left.
I have found an alternative to Obamacare, 200 bucks a month, no monstrous deductible. Click link above.
what a fucked up country
isn't this analysis a bit... misleading? the little I understand the issues around the US medical setup is that - compared to the whole rest of the frigging world - as soon any American is older then average, for some magical reason he costs huge boatloads of money as soon as he or she is hospitalized. and this smells of corruption, and institutionalized, to boot
These cocksuckers are so fucking greedy that they simply cannot stop. The oligarchy runs this place Ghordius. My gal had a two hour back operation and was in the hospital for two days.
Total cost 141,000 dollars. Who can make this shit up?
You should of gone overseas and gotten a vacation out of it. Starve the beast, eventually the system will implode and those fuckers will live like the rest of us. Been looking at what dept heads make in some texas hospitals. Easily over 400,000 a year not including bonuses. And these are state institutions. Some dudes make close to a million.
My 90 year old father awoke at 2am with dificulty breathing.
2 days later, the diagnosis came in...acid reflux while he slept..small amount of fluid got into his lungs.
Total bill for a "Heart Burn" diagnosis?
~$100,000.00
Insane.
These cocksuckers are so fucking greedy that they simply cannot stop. The oligarchy runs this place Ghordius. My gal had a two hour back operation and was in the hospital for two days.
Total cost 141,000 dollars. Who can make this shit up?
Had an acquanintance needed a 4 way bypass.
He checked around globally, went to the BEST Hospital in India, one month stay, and 24-7 care, separate room (after surgery) more like a Villa,prepared his meals,all laundry,meds ,etc,etc, cleaned him, his room, and all needed items.
30 day stay,total for ENTIRE bill, ALL Of it $21,000.
This would have been $500k in the states.
They have turned healthcare into a social program.......and its scary how no one is reporting that this is where the money is going....the MSM are very quiet on these facts....no when oil goes back up..and it will....watch it crash...the fact is Obamacare still is not in full force.....next year another 30% increase in price I bet...and on and on...
"They have turned healthcare into a social program"
BULLSHIT!
They have turned healthcare into a CORPORATE WELFARE PROGRAM with GUARANTEED UNLIMITED FUNDING written into law!
Our "Health Care" system is NOT SOCIALIST! IT IS PRIVATELY OWNED...IT IS A CORPORATE CARE SYSTEM!
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The ONLY true "Social Program" HealthCare is the VA MEDICAL SYSTEM!
100% owned by, and ran by, the GOVERNMENT!
PURE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!
Where is the call to "Repeal the VA"?
Don't our Vets deserve better?
Joni Ernst...Uber RightWingNutJOb..."philosophically" opposed to "Socialized Medicine"..."We must repeal ObamaCare"...her thoughts on PURE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE at the VA?
>> Ernst told reporters that she thinks the [Socialized Medicine] health care system for veterans in Iowa is a good one.
>> "Those that have received {Socialized} care here in Des Moines at the VA center or the VA hospital here have said that they do receive good care. However it's getting into the system — the wait periods," Ernst said. "We have to do something [SPEND MORE MONEY] about that. The [SOCIALIZED] care here has been good. We're not seeing that in other states."
>> Ernst...she'd keep open the federal system of (PURE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE) veterans hospitals.
How do we "fix" the PURE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE problems at the VA?
MORE SPENDING!
$17 BILLION MORE in PURE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE spending at the VA!
U.S. veterans deal to provide $17 billion to ease medical wait timeshttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-veterans-funding-idUSKBN0FX1PO2014...
ObamaCare premiums are attached to your income because ObamaCare is a tax. Obama is going to lighten the Americans tax burden by charging for services he doesn't provide.
In Canada I have Healthcare because I'm condidered a person instead of an income.
The best one sentence line for FuckbamaNoCare
"ObamaCare "works"....if you DON'T work"
"But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." -- Nancy Pelosi
Stop being a righty fucken parot....for fucks sake...just because Congress passes something, that doesn't make it LAW!
That just gets it to the Presidents desk...that is where YOU REALLY KNOW "What's in it"...she was actually TELLING THE TRUTH!
ANY Bill working through Congress undergoes a MILLION FUCKING DRAFTS!
You NEVER know what's in ANY Bill until you PASS THAT FUCKEN BILL because that's the ONLY time it is FINALIZED!
At EVERY POINT, for EVERY fucken BILL, "what's, totally, in it" is UNKNOWN!
Turn off limbaugh fucknuts and pull your head out of your ass.
The purpose of of the AHCA is to make it unaffordable so that they can implement universal health care and it's working fantastically.
When something needs to be outsized in relation to it's actual need in an economy the only way to cement it''s obscene percentages and grow it from there is to to hire the .gov goons to stick a gun in your face and foreclose any other options.
It's an unholy taking is what it is.
Just like everything else the government fucks up. In ten years or so, there will be shitty government care for the masses. It will COST 2 or 3 times more than it ever did. Wall Street parasites will be replaced by Government parasites. .Gov parasites are much better at parasiting.
For those with wealth, or the politicians and government parasite workers, there will be real healthcare.
Or, shit breaks down, and we get to wholesale purge this fucking clown show of the current crop of parasites and politicians. I can dream.
"The purpose of of the AHCA...so that they can implement universal health care"
BULL FUCKEN SHIT!
You think the "Health Industry" wants Socialized Medicine?
You think all of these "Health Industry" executives want to hand thier businesses over to government workers?
You're fucking crazy if you believe that.
"The purpose of of the AHCA" was to IMPLEMENT A SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM....BUT IT WAS STOPPED DEAD IN IT's TRACKS.....By...the "Corporate Health Lobby"...they kept the name, but DRAMATICALLY altered the purpose of of the AHCA.
The NEW purpose of of the AHCA, by Corporate Design, WAS TO MAXIMIZE CORPORATE PROFITS!
Yeppers, here we go again: Forced into Obamascam when the central planners cancelled our policy at the end of 2013, 2014 - $152/mo $2500 ded, 2015 - $254/mo $2500 ded, now 2016 - $302/mo $6000 ded.
That's a 100% increase in the monthly premium, and a 250% increase in the deductible, in 2 years!! So, doing the math, we'll spend nearly $10,000 before we get anything actually covered by our Obamascam policy. Oh, and the kicker, a large portion of local providers don't take this shit insurance.
My wife and I don't make a lot, and in the end, this will bankrupt us. Another small business devoured by big govt.
Google liberty healthshare or see my link here for a solution. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2015/12/now-is-time-to-make-heal...
Can't afford obamacare?
http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2014/10/24/cant-afford-obamacare-consider-a-health-care-sharing-ministry-instead
"Oh, and the kicker, a large portion of local providers don't take this shit insurance."
Bullshit.
It's private insurance from a fucken PRIVATE company.
You can buy it through the exchange or you call the company and buy it direct...
"Local providers" have no fucken idea where you bought your policy.
If your providers won't accept the insurance from the PRIVATE COMPANY you purchased it from, then that's YOU'RE FAULT!
Cancel your policy and buy one from another PRIVATE COMPANY that your "local providers" will accept.
ObamaCare IN NOT INSURANCE and IT IS NOT MANDATORY that you buy any SPECIFIC PRIVATE COMPANIES insurance plan...YOU MUST BUY INSURANCE, but YOU ARE FREE TO BUY ANYWHERE AND FROM ANY PRIVATE COMPANY OF YOUR CHOOSING!
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Whenever we change insurance plans, THE FIRST THING we do is MAKE SURE the "providers' we want to use accept the insurance...now pull your head out of your ass and try again at buying insurance "your providers" will accept...certainly they accept something...or, did you not buy what they accept, because none of the plans at Healthcare.gov were accepted and you wanted a Federal Subsidy? Yeah, I find that to be the case...again, and again...
they elected the muslim..... for "hope & change".... -lol
i hope they will have some 'change' left so they can eat...
fucking morobs
But MasterCard says sales have increased over 7%.
Maybe Americans can afford to be charge even more.
Free? The government cannot give what it does not first take.
Point on...Shelter and healthcare soaring.....is that in the CPI? The Fed would be delighted with
inflation......and inflation kills the economy Janet. Disposable income, discretionary spending plummets.
The American public are idiots. - Jonathan Gruber. Tribe member.
If I ever meet Gruber, he will remember me.
What really gets me is the idea of fining for non-compliance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Only now, with higher premiums, you're more damned than you were with the fines. Better to just disappear off-the-sociopolitcal-grid and take your chances. Thngs will eventually lead to the same results, anyway; the system cannot sustain itself and the so-called Affordable Care Act is proof the system is now eating those it was purported to serve.
It just hit me; 'serve', as in that old Twilight Zone story about "To Serve Man..." maybe? And we're all ingedients the socialist stew?
The Affordable Care Act is not about care, it is about INSURANCE. Care is a different category, and it isnt affordable EITHER.!
So the ACA is not affordable and it is not about care.
And the Federal Reserve is not Federal nor does it have reserves. See the game here?
ACA is about statist / progressive / marxist controlling everything you do, eat, say and how you live
Sure it was. That's because it was patterned after a Heritage Foundation proposal. The ignorance is staggering.
And BTW, the OP implies health care costs would be lower without ACA. that's laughable. Health care costs are what they are because 90% of the providers of services name their price, just pick a fucking number.
But sure, that's Obama's fault.
And that's exactly what it suppose to do. All preplanned of course like 911:
"And where's there a funding? Can you say ..." http://youtu.be/EYa_fhLkg5c?t=10s
Nice X-maz flick btw: The Long Kiss Goodnight (1996)
No pity. These are mostly the same tossers who reelected barack obaglicker in 2012. Not that the POS romney would have overturned this shit law, but they rewarded the stupid asshole who signed it.
A graduate of medical school must complete a residency in order to be legal to practice their profession in the United States. The number of medical residencies is strictly controlled AND FUNDED by Congress.
The AMA is a big lobbying group that influences congress as well.
Many doctors are very frustrated and disillusioned by their own profession. A neurologist in residency I know of is getting paid $52,000 a year by CONGRESS (tax dollars) and must complete several years of it frequently working 60 plus hours a week... so cheap, highly skilled labor is provided to hospitals for their profit ... all controlled and mandated by congress.
So essentially the profession is a result of artificially creating a shortage of doctors by congress and the middle men in the so-called health insurance 'business' steal a lot of money while overworking the existing pool of qualified doctors whether they are in residency or out in their practice.
This is totally fucked up. Anyone who believes this country's government isn't systemically corrupt top to bottom is out of their minds
Trump is right, make healthcare like Canada's... no profit for tribe members.
social services need to be set up like non profits. next get rid of high legal fees and judgements.
a bit confused by those >= and <= signs in the charts....
Free education, free healthcare just as long as we have free government and no taxation.
The ZMA is the third leading cause of death to 'mericans so it has nothing to do with health. Another tax is all. Plus a lot of needless suffering and death for their god Moloch.
I had to make a decision earlier this year as to whether go direct with an employer or be contractor with an employer. As a contractor, I would earn 1.5 times my hourly rate for all overtime but it would cost me between $17k and $21k for to cover my medical insurance for my wife and I including deductibles.
I reviewed the 54 plans, from the lower monthly premium of a "mere" $750/mth with $6500 deductible EACH to the "premier" plan at roughly $1400/mth and a $250 deductible each. "Amazingly" the plans damn near cost the same give or take a few thousand depending on what level of risk I was willing to take for paying deductibles out of pocket (or definitely lose money with the premier plan no matter whether I used it or not).
It would have taken a minimum of roughly 300 hours of overtime as a contractor just to break even on medical insurance before I would actually get the benefit of earning extra income for my overtime. In addition, if I was laid up because of an accident I wouldn't have income and my savings would get eaten alive by the premiums and/or deductibles. None of this includes the the potential copays. In a serious accident or injury where I was laid up for an extended period time say 6 months, I would be put into the poorhouse easily. I work in a profession where serious injuries are not uncommon.
I had to go direct and forget about getting premium pay in a dangerous and exhausting job trying to ensure safe transportation for the public (private sector). Thanks US government for fucking me and my family over with medical expense extortion where I can't even shop for reasonable pricing in medical services because costs are hidden behind copays and non-mandatory cost of services advertising. Such a scam.
and why do I get the feeling that all of the people supporting free education and free healthcare never took a course in college that required the use of a calculator.
I'll never forget the time in college when a fellow student asked if they could borrow my calculator. I was shocked that someone could be in college without a calculator. And then I was shocked that they couldn't figure out how to use my engineering calculator. 30 years later I am a lot less shocked by many things.
It's all going according to plan. Rent stress (% of income spent on rent) approaching 40% in some areas. Healthcare premiums at 10% of income. Taxes at 6% minimum (just medicare and FICA, not including FIT or state income taxes). Not much is left over to pay for student loans (the next tidal wave of delinquencies is just beginning), car payments (average loan is 72+ months) or anything else. 1Q2016 GDP will be a disaster; everyone spent it all on Christmas 2015. Thank God for $1.90 gas/sarc.
Onward and Upward.
Lambourghini premiums with Yugo coverage. Yugo as in you go broke if you ever need to use your insurance. The average insured can't afford to even pay the $3000-$8000/year deductibles most plans have. Insurers and service providers are laughing all the way to the bank. Anyone in Congress care to explain "affordable"?
It's no doubt true that people who pay for their own healthcare have less to spend on other things. Hell, if anyone has to pay for their own stuff, they have lower discretionary income.
From this we should conclude . . . . .
I joined a "legal" sharing ministry. $90 per month for 2 is cheaper than the fine. Don't know how long it will be "legal".
Dropped coverage when obama said that me paying for my own insurance with money I earned without the help of other tax payers was illegal. Since the begining of 2014 I have been able to save $24,000 in unpaid obamacare premiums. We did join a medical bill sharing group and pay 90 per month to avoid the obama tax penalty. Eating healther, exercising, losing weight, and I dont plan to go to the hospital or see a doctor as they will make you sick. And if something bad happens and I need coverage I can sign up for obamacare any time of the year simply by starting a new business and becoming an employee of that new business It takes less than a day to file paperwork as a new business and one of my adult kids can be the new owners Calling it Screw Odumba Lawn Service, with me or my wife being the first employee and immediately eligible for health coverage.
thanks for the "medical bill sharing group" info, I never knew such thing existed. which group is good?
It may be time to start hanging these criminal congressmen that passed this piece of shit bill without reading it. Hang every damn one of them. Pelosi could go first!! The whole damn bill is illegal!!
Nuke DC from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Sure...let's go back to the Republican era of costs doubling every 6 to 7 years. Costs are now rising at their slowest pace in decades. Until people realize that most of the industrialized world pays FORTY PERCENT LESS because they refuse to pay for the yachts and mansions of the pigs of society, nothing will change. Profit does not belong in our health system nor our prison system. Atlas can go f*ck himself.
Costs can be reduced immensely immediately by eradicating all you parasite cockroaches.
You communist twats always avoid owning up to your utter failures. FACE IT COMRADE, YOU OWN OBAMACARE!
Thanks for fucking everything up worse, idiot.
And, BTW, when you start yowling about republitards and their crimes against humanity, what we hear is "WAAAAAAAHHH!"
Diaper change in order for you, comrade dipshiite.
"toncuz: "Costs are now rising at their slowest pace in decades"
Bullshit. Costs are doubling every 24-36 months. Wait until 2017.
" Profit does not belong in our health system nor our prison system."
And you got 6 downvotes for that! Amazing...
Just for the record, you are 100% correct...profit has no place in health care or the prison system. Capitalism does NOT require that we monetize every god-damned thing in the world, but any society that decides to do that anyway has lost ALL moral authority to do anything.
That's right...if you make profit off the sick, or send people to jail for profit, you have no moral standing whatsoever, no matter how many high-sounding words or phrases you use...you're just a miserable shit with a lousy set of "values". There's simply no justification for it.
You were likely downvoted because you didn't criticize the ACA...It deserves criticism, but the system it replaced was on the way out because it was an unsustainable mess that was close to imploding altogether. They HAD to replace it with something...if it wasn't something people wanted, they should have gotten more involved instead of just bitching about it. I'm fine with complaining about Obama, but let's not forget that the system was broken BEFORE the ACA...he didn't screw up a 'working' system, he applied a bad fix to an already broken one.
But no 'fix' will ever work until the system itself is changed.
Good luck finding a decent doctor with many of those Obamacare plans.
SOCIALIST UTOPIA!!!
Cronyism in healthcare is worse than you thought! Nobody seems to be discussing the fact that Senator Warren's daughter and current CMS acting director were both graduates of the Mckinsey CEO school, and the business they started together and sold to United Healthcare, or the fact that DOJ head Lynch used to represent United Healthcare with their Anti-Trust suits either. Then of course there's the Hillary connection with former big executive Lois Quam from United Healthcare that stretches all the way back to White Water. Hillary took care of her with jobs and she worked for her at the State Department doing health care. So while Senator Warren comes out about regulating banks, the family made a lot of money from United Healthcare.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/11/optumrx-united-healthcare-buys-home.html
By the way, United Healthcare owns and operates a full on custodial bank in Utah, for HSA money. They'll give you a credit card to empty it out and try to get you to put the money in mutual funds as soon as you reach the magic number of $2100 on deposit.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/10/united-healthcare-owns-bank-optum-bank.html
See where all of this is going? CMS acting director Slavitt too is a one time Goldman banker as well.
Obama ANYTHING is sucking somebody's something up.
Obamacare was designed to destroy, not to cover people. Yowling about that is a sign of a foolish thinker...grasp it: your gubbamint is your enemy.
KILL THE GOVERNMENT.
It's us or them.
When the 2016 premium increases of 15-25% com out that should be the final nail in Hellary's blackheart
I see these DISGUSTING pieces of shit everywhere here in my american city rolling around in their fucking SCOOTERS: "WEEEEEE, I DON'T HAVE TO WALK ANYMORE! ISN'T THIS GREAT, NOT HAVING TO WALK, WEEEEEEE!"
Crazy thing is most of them are not that old and you know they are on 15 medications, eat a crap diet and NEVER exercise. They seem to congragate around COSTCO....Fuckers! Get off your obese fucking ass and WALK dammit!
To everyone who thinks their shit-hole country got it right,
Why are millions of your fellow citizens lined up to come here?
"Why are millions of your fellow citizens lined up to come here?"
One word - Obama Phones.
Wait, that's two, isn't it? Damned free education.
You can't afford to live in the US working for a household income of $65k. You might as well not work or leave. And kids? Forget it. $900/month for childcare expenses until they hit school.
If you're in the middle 30% of household income, you're screwed.
Catullus, You summed it up very well. That was the agenda. Its going to get lot tougher. People in the future will practice polygamy and live together to pay those bills. I would like to have 3-4 working wives with un matched working schedules.
Catullus, You summed it up very well. That was the agenda. Its going to get lot tougher. People in the future will practice polygamy and live together to pay those bills. I would like to have 3-4 working wives with un matched working schedules.
Hypothetically speaking, I wish there was a company that sold name sake health insurance to be in compliant with the Affordable Health Care to avoid penalty by having me sign a disclosure that I will never visit a doctor for about a buck a month. I would be interested in learning more about this kinda arrangement.
Yep, I pay about 15% now thanks to Obombme care. It's funny that Yellen is counting on healthcare for part of her Unicorn inflation theory, and of course, "financial services".
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-28/yellen-price-quirk-foc...
These sick fucks will someday pay.
You can't afford to live in the US working for a household income of $65k. You might as well not work or leave. And kids? Forget it. $900/month for childcare expenses until they hit school.
If you're in the middle 30% of household income, you're screwed.
Depends on where you live, and your lifestyle.
"You're a dumbass...BUSH and the REPUBLICANS had JUST FINISHED an $800,000,000,000...$800 BILLION....UNFUNDED GIVEAWAY...."radical change"....to MEDICARE you stupid fuck....geesh!"
And Fstick when he got elected, promptly TOOK IT BACK.
"How many of the world's 50 wealthiest nations provide free and universal health coverage?"
You got that backwards:
49 of the 50 indebted nations provide free and universal health coverage. The entire developed would is buried in debt. Its so bad that the develop world now needs to borrow money just to pay the interest due on the existing debt.
About 40 of the 49 citizens need to seek treatment overseas because their socailized heatlhcare, does pay for expensive treatments. In one case in Sweden, a double leg amputee was denied a motored wheelchair because "He might grow his legs back".
Another story,a friend of a friend had a very well to do Canuck buddy,he was invited down by his friend to Fla for a vakay.He had severe need of a hip replacement, and was in so much pain was contemplating suicide.
When he told his friend, he said HELL no way!?.He said due to the constraints in the Canuck system he was not elgible for replacement for at least two years.
He said NO way he could last that long.
Buddy said we're going shopping tomorrow.Next day they stopped at 3-4 clinics, and gave his hip medical records to the Dr.s there.
Asked for a price if paid in cash,what was the cost to get this done,one said $25k, the Canuck said expensive, but his friend asked the Dr, WHEN he could do the surgery, he said following Monday.
Canuck shit his pants, NO MATTER the cost in Canada, it was a flat 24 month wait.
So instead of dead, and a 2yr wait, he was DONE in 3weeks, plus recoup time.
This was of course before ObyWhan.