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Can Donald Trump Do No Wrong?

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It appears that no matter what he says, does, or is alleged to have said or done, The Donald's rating continue to rise. As Bloomberg notes in the following chart of his 'success' so far, Trump's controversial comments appear highly correlated with his poll standings as the latest poll shows his support is now larger than that of his next three rivals combined...

 

 

And with George Soros out anti-campaigning, we can only imagine how high Trump's poll standings will go next.

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:48 | 6974702 Ghost of PartysOver
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Only when he speaks the Truth he can not lose.  No matter how uncomfortable it may make people.  There is a desire for truth and honestly from the political class.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:55 | 6974729 Stroke
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Trump wins

Hillary wins

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:58 | 6974752 rejected
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America Loses

America Loses

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:01 | 6974755 WordSmith2013
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Trump: He Can Only Go in One of Two Directions — Each Comes With a Huge Consequences

 

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=27826

 

"Even If Trump Wins He Will Eventually Go Over To The Other Side"

 

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 18:38 | 6975692 Not Victor E. O...
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"Only when he speaks the Truth he can not lose.  No matter how uncomfortable it may make people.  There is a desire for truth and honestly from the political class."

I think that you are confusing "Truth" with popular ideas that are not considered politically correct by the elilte.

 

Trump says things that makes the remnants of middle america feel good. However, its totally inconsequential

because the entire political system does nothing to benefit the people it was created to serve. The world you

have been presented with is a fictional sham and to participate in the act of "voting" or "paying taxes" makes

you party to war, murder, theft, and slavery. I've been asking christians lately if Jesus would pay his taxes

knowing planned parenthood has been fully funded by them. Its a good question to open the eyes of "patriotic

red-blooded zombies".

 

Seriously, why are so many people still participating?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 20:42 | 6976162 The Blank Stare
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Why are you still cutting and pasting?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:58 | 6975987 vollderlerby
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After W's 3rd and 4th term, aka Obozo, I'll take a few months of honesty and truth, hell, I'd settle for a week before The Donald becomes a D.C. zombie.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:00 | 6974756 InjectTheVenom
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>>>  the Donald has bigger schlong

>>>  Hitlery has bigger schlong

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:05 | 6974779 MsCreant
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>>>  the Donald is a bigger schlong

>>>  Hitlery is a bigger schlong

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:19 | 6974854 Sturm und Drang
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Schlong-holio?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:29 | 6974900 InjectTheVenom
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>>>   "You're fired !"

>>>   "You're schlonged !"

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 18:28 | 6975668 Chris Dakota
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Donald is a Tall White

so no he can't do wrong.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:29 | 6974902 Dr. Venkman
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Has anyone been following Scott Adams' blog this summer heretofore using Trump's rise and momentum from the perspective of a Master Wizard/Persuader. It is an amusing and interesting take on the man's skills.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/135843315021/the-master-persuader-filter-an...

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius

Basically he is analyzing Trump as either a Master Persuader or what he describes as a Lucky Hitler. And Master Persuader is winning handily.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:40 | 6975526 armageddon addahere
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Trump looks at everything as a negotiation. After all his first book was called The Art Of The Deal. Everything he has ever done has been to glorify Donald Trump and spin him into a hero.

Why should it be surprising that he looks on this campaign the same way? If this is the case then it makes sense that all his statements are aimed at influencing people on a visceral level. And that he looks on this campaign as a long drawn out negotiation. Remember, you never make your final offer right off the bat. I'm sure he will come up with some surprising changes of direction as the campaign goes on.

So, yes I think the Master Persuader thesis has a lot going for it. Scott proposed it back in the summer and since then everything Trump has done, confirms it.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:21 | 6975441 JRobby
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If you wondered what it would look like when people finally "really" got sick of career politicians

This is what it looks like. And it's going to get chaotic.

Hitlary will fall. It is just a matter of how.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:42 | 6975923 I Will Explain All
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never underestimate jew brainwashing

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:55 | 6974738 doctor10
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Team Hillary has already made the elections ads featuring each of those quotes along with "appropriate PC commentary"

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:30 | 6974909 Kayman
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Hiliary Rodham ?  What is her real name ?  Is she running under a pseudonym?

I imagine the Donald has pictures of Hiliary kissing a few German Army Helmets.

Likely he also knows why she spends so much time in the bathroom- or he wouldn't have brought it up.

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:18 | 6975148 stant
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Bill real last name was Blythe

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:01 | 6974759 crossroaddemon
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Wait.. you think he's telling the TUTH?

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

idiot.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:05 | 6975088 Appleseed
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Ron Paul 2012?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:53 | 6974713 Rusty Shorts
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POS William Kristol terrified that Trump to open new investigation into 9/11

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iGas_yATyA

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:02 | 6974762 crossroaddemon
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Bullshit. Trump has already basically endorsed the official narrative. Which means he's a liar, cus I promise he knows better.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:07 | 6974793 Rusty Shorts
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Like Bill Hicks always said, they take newly elected Presidents into the back room and show them the JFK assasination from an entirely different angle, just to clarify who's really running the show. 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:09 | 6974800 crossroaddemon
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Oh, they do it long before. Trump wouldn't even be there if he hadn't already agreed to play ball. This is theater.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:40 | 6974958 corporatewhore
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But enjoyable theater

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:48 | 6975003 HopefulCynic
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Try telling the deluded and forgetful individuals that. They all seem to forget about Change and Hope campaigns that have been running for decades now. They also seem to forget what it takes to be a nominee in the GOP or the Democratic Party. I understand their need for a saviour since they are to lazy, comfortable or cowards to take up arms and go get the masters in Washington, K-Street and Wall Street and hang them by their necks or put a bullet in them. The fucking masses will never get it, they have already lost the fight anyways, the US is a lost cause. 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:19 | 6975154 HopefulCynical
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Name thief.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:23 | 6975450 JRobby
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Thanks, just thought of a good name for a band: K Street Strafing

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:38 | 6974948 Kayman
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One week and 3 days- and you're making promises.

I promise that you are a troll.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:26 | 6974887 Boris Badenov
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Just go to the 9/11 Memorial in NYC and see the interactive graphic of WTC7 dropping because the floor trusses let loose and the floors pancaked.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:40 | 6975532 inosent
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great vid. thanks for the link. Might not happen, but just the possibility of the whole absolute nasty truth and all the players behind 9/11 would be a beautiful thing. I have read a lot about how jes operate. They focus on what they want, and then they do what needs to be done to get it. Starting wars is their specialty, esp when they *plan* to have a war long before the 'pretext' unfolds - that is a dead giveaway. The PNAC is just another classic example of this. 9/11 was anticipated, expected, planned for and brought about. How it all happened is a mystery. Was it just dumb luck? Why are there no whistle blowers?

It is possible there are no whistle blowers because for the most sensitive parts the players were limited to a very small circle of neocon (jewish) 'jihadists'. If the planes were operated by remote control, a small group of ppl setting the charges in I, II, and VII, I suppose that would reduce the number of players down to as low as 50 ppl, and for all we know 1/2 of them have been killed by now.

There is no way it was 'luck'. The only remote possibility is a saudi suicide squad just happened to show up and pull this event off, that was immediately called the new Pearl Harbor in the MSM, just as was scripted in PNAC, where the neocons were then able to successfully launch their 1st major phase of the greater israel project, i.e. destabilizing iraq.

That just cannot possibly be a coincidence. And when you get the super jew silverstein showing up to take over the leases of the WTC, that are in desperate need of a multi billion dollar renovation for the sake fo the asbestos, who puts on terrorist insurance 6 weeks before 9/11, that pretty much underlines the impossibility of a lack of foreknowledge.

Some argue that all hasn't gone so well for Silverstein after the fact, but that is not probative of the likely fact  based on the deal as he saw it at the time his expectation is he would come out of this WTC deal looking pretty good. The insurance proceeds helped him to rebuild, and if there was a short fall, surely he will call in a few favors and fix it up nicely.

So, yeah, 9/11 was a scam, and there are a lot of jewish suits and gentile fronts behind it. I said that the moment I became aware of it about 20 min after the first WTC was hit, and everything after the fact has only confirmed my thinking on the matter.

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:52 | 6974727 TeamDepends
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WOW WOW WOW RED ALERT: H.R. 569 Condemning violence, bigotry, and hateful rhetoric towards MUSLIMS in the USA

Speechless
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261268/house-democrats-move-criminalize-...

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:54 | 6974734 Tallest Skil
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The bill is unconstitutional, of course. No one will listen to it even if it does illegally pass.

Within the right to freedom of speech is the right to hate.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:20 | 6974858 DetectiveStern
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I fucking hate how people don't understand free speech. People are free to say whatever they want it is upto the listener to either listen or tell them to fuck off.

People can call me anything they want. If I take offence that's my problem for having skin thinner than a cigarette paper.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:26 | 6974888 insanelysane
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As many people have pointed out over the years, hate speech is the only speech that needs protection from being outlawed.  Why would love and praise speech need protection?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:48 | 6974901 DetectiveStern
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There are certainly some people who if they told me they loved me I'd feel more offence than if they called me a dirty white boy.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:27 | 6974886 Sturm und Drang
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.."Within the right to freedom of speech is the right to hate."

And any associated irrationally exuberant expression of the latter cues the 2nd Amendment. So go ahead, make someone's day.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:16 | 6975415 August
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A "House Resolution" is passing PR gas only, with no standing in actual law; they can be as unconstitutional as you please (not that being unconstituional is of any importance in New America).

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:25 | 6975462 JRobby
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Who will be the first poor fool charged with it is the question?

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:56 | 6974742 EddieLomax
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Lets hope these scumbags get cleaned out of office, and they can take their retarded and despotic ideas with them.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:11 | 6974811 MsCreant
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Some Muslims are cool, I am not willing to damn them all because some people do bad shit in the name of their religion.

With that said, this kind of legislation will fail everytime. 

People need to be free to say stupid shit so that we can discuss it. If you say you hate all Muzzies, I will throw myself on a grenade for your right to do that. In return, you best let me have my say about why I think you are over generalizing. 

Legislating this stuff causes resentment, it is censorship, it is wrong. And the speech just goes underground untill there is a groundswell of hatred that erupts and cannot be contained. 

Bad, bad, bad legislation.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:48 | 6975000 Kayman
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MsCreant

Islam is a the stage of Christianity pre-Reformation.  It is only Christian principles and liberalism that allows this Trojan Horse to proliferate in modern, western countries.  No Muslim country allows Western thought, ideas, and peoples in. Period.

Wake me up when Islam becomes inclusive and embraces other peoples religions.

And let me know when the U.S. pulls out of the middle east and generates all its own energy needs here at home.  Maybe spending half the Military budget on energy could help.

Respectfully

K

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:39 | 6975239 MsCreant
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Always interested in your take on things.

The thing of it is, there are individuals who practice the religion who are NOT trying to join church and state as one. They are in our country. They deserve our protection from folks who would like to hurt ALL Muslims. If we are to live up to the principles laid out in our Constitution, they have freedom of religion until such a time as they try to make church/state, one thing. If/when they try to do that, then I have a problem with the INDIVIDUAL who would act that way. Not all people who identify as Muslim are into this movement. 

Warm Regards,

Ms.

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:45 | 6975547 armageddon addahere
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There were plenty of sweet kind hearted Nazis too. It was the ideology that was wrong. Same with Islam. Any religion that tells you to murder your own children and call it honor killing, has something wrong with it.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:28 | 6975860 StychoKiller
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Lots of ugly things are documented in the Old Testament as well.  I always find it interesting that Bhuddism has

never advocated violence.

Wed, 12/30/2015 - 02:36 | 6977200 Sturm und Drang
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Self-immolation on the other hand...

Wed, 12/30/2015 - 02:43 | 6977210 Sturm und Drang
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Wait, what?

So Abraham (oh he of the three, ahem, major Abrahamic religions) gets a pass? Oh wait, he's tribe.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:42 | 6975539 Bazza McKenzie
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Kayman, while most of your comment is correct, that comparison with Christianity pre-Reformation is not right.

The Reformation was about getting back to what Jesus taught and stripping away the organised religion and its behaviors that were contrary to Christ's teaching (e.g. using the Church as the way to a life of luxury, selling indulgences, etc).

The Reformation was not about changing Christ's teachings or rewriting his life to convert him from a thuggish ruler to an impoverished, loving preacher.

Those that are sometimes called "muslim extremists" are in fact living according to the dictates of mohammed.  You cannot reform a religion by taking the founder out of it.  Behave like Christ or Buddha and you will hurt no one.  Behave like mahommed and you will steal, torture, rape, kill, destroy.

There can be no meaningful reformation of mahommedanism because it is a governance system designed by a psychopath to encourage violent behavior and his true believers will violently resist every effort to change that.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 18:24 | 6975655 Kayman
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Bazza

I understand your point of view. But pre-Reformation was a single Christian Church dictating their interpretation of the Bible.  All founded on control  starting with the Council of Nicea 325.

"Constantine...put order and stability, the rule of law, before any other religious consideration."  Paul Johnson.

The Reformation allowed individual Christians direct access to Jesus and God and dispensed with the manmade requirement to go through the (Roman Catholic) Church.

Islam demands that individual Muslims access Allah through an "all-knowing" leader. Same as Rome.

Wed, 12/30/2015 - 03:35 | 6977225 Sturm und Drang
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.."Islam demands that individual Muslims access Allah through an "all-knowing" leader. Same as Rome."

Bullshit. Shia branch of Islam is closest to the Eastern Orthodox in structure and even then it is political, not religious. See Iran. Even in the 'Stans with state mosques, it's political and control.

It is not uncommon for organized mosques to not even have a trained Imam. Prayers and sermons are given in turn by laymen. Access to God is by prayer, plain and simple. Anything else is just pimping indulgences and influence.

On Refromation, I'd say it was more the result of the printing press (mass produced Bibles, books and more access to knowledge in general) which was made possible by paper which was used centuries before by the Muslims who made many copies of everything they translated (see Library of Cordoba et al), said paper having been introduced to the ME apparently by trade with China.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:03 | 6975769 Demdere
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Your understanding of Islam is quite limited, you should not try to extend it to other minds.

You could easily correct this by touring, Youtube has some good random tours you can go on, if you wish.  Amazing how often you find people being just like people everywhere.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:30 | 6975866 StychoKiller
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The Sufis have been persecuted for quite some time by Sunnis and Shiites.

Wed, 12/30/2015 - 03:03 | 6977233 Sturm und Drang
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It's the mysticism branch of Islam.

Wed, 12/30/2015 - 03:09 | 6977243 Sturm und Drang
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You sir, have no idea of what you speak. Take your vaunted "Christian principles and liberalism" and shove them up your bigoted ass.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:16 | 6975141 Somewhat Evolve...
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I disagree with what Trump says about Muslims, but I will defend his right to say it.

 

Trump said what he feels. It probably will end up helping him in the polls that he's Islamophobic.

 

Personally, I would just "shut down" all immigration. This country is in debt and doesn't need any more people from anywhere, especially from countries with connections to ISIS.

 

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:41 | 6975251 MsCreant
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I'd love to shut down immigration just as soon as we shut down all the war we make all over the planet.

The debt would be more accurately looked at as theft. It will never be repaid, it is numerically impossible.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:54 | 6975308 .National Suici...
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"This country is in debt and doesn't need any more people from anywhere, especially from countries with connections to ISIS..."

Then we need to evacuate a good portion of our own power structure, along with not allowing any Turks, Saudis, Brits, or Israelis in to the country.

When I speak of ISIS, I often say: "Our ISIS allies," since we went a long way to create the conditions that gave rise to them; then proceeded to protect their existence as we tried to bring down one of our latest "Hitlers."

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:59 | 6975339 J Jason Djfmam
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Trump isn't Islamophobic, he just doesn't like them.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:33 | 6975506 Bazza McKenzie
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Any mahommedans who "are cool" (I am assuming you are not using the ISIS view of what is "cool") are actually not followers of mahommed, since "being cool" means they reject the life and the words of their "prophet".

Incidentally, about those "cool" mahommedans, you might want to brush up on the principle of taqiyya.

Wed, 12/30/2015 - 03:38 | 6977279 Sturm und Drang
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Well, Americans do love to get lied to. Hell, they do it to themselves daily.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:14 | 6974821 Sturm und Drang
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Meh. It'll have the same effect as Obama has on gun sales.

Remember, it is civil war the bastards are doing their damnedest to foment and if this doesn't get stuck in the craw of the bible belt, nothing will.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:19 | 6974855 yogibear
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The libtards want to jail you for making an offensive (to whomever) comment. 

Those writing the constitution warned about these types of people. Their backdoor communist/socialist.

If people don't protect their freedom, no matter how offensive to someone, it's lost.

This is exactly the way tyranny starts.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:16 | 6975138 thethirdcoast
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...and people said that Sharia-compliant anti-blasphemy statues could never happen in the US.

 

This also proves that the mere threat of violent protest is far more effective than peaceful rallies.

 

I weep for America's future.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:52 | 6974728 EddieLomax
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Political correctness relies on the herd mentality, Trump is consciously not a part of the herd and every time he speaks he breaks the fantasy narrative the "progressives" try to weave.

Fantastic to listen to, it has been a long time since someone in politics actually addressed one of the many serious problems we have.

 

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:05 | 6974780 crossroaddemon
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And Trump has yet to address a single one of the those serious issues. All the shit he's making noise about are symptoms and he is studiously avoiding root causes. He's a fucking stooge.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:14 | 6974826 MsCreant
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"Can Trump Do No Wrong?"

Let's see how he does if he proposes to shut down the Fed as his first act as President when he gets into office. Is he that much of a Teflon Don? 

I think not.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:56 | 6975034 Kayman
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McCreant

Trump has promised to end the free ride for China, Japan and Mexico. No more free access to the largest consumer market in the world.  That is revolutionary.  No more "free trade" makes us all richer bullshit.

And I, for one, find everything dripping out of Hiliary's mouth to be offensive. Another tired old bought-and-sold politician with the same old PC claptrap.

K

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:54 | 6975298 MsCreant
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Hillary is insulting to all of us being put forward as a candidate. If this is the best woman they can find for the job (trying to be politiclly correct) they make women look bad: selfish, winey, flat headed. Her feminism is narrow and lame, she can't even get that right. Real feminism recognizes that our system is painful for MEN and women and tries to address ALL the inequities that lie therin. Hers is woman centered only.

I know Trump to be an excellent salesman and an excellent businessman/brand promoter. Some of this could be good for a president.

My fear is that he is hollow and all manipulation, smoke and mirrors, and no substance.

Putin looks like he has substance. I don't agree with everything he comes up with, but his logics are consistent, his strategy coherent.

I hate Obama, H. Clinton, or Bush in the ring with him. Trump worries me for really different reasons. I have seen no evidence he knows when to stop being boorish and loudmouthed. He can't just keep promoting himself after he is president. That's really all Obama was good at...

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:25 | 6975845 Demdere
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No that is a sound byte.

Policies have someone who wrote something down on a piece of paper, minimum.

Trump is different than we have had in politics since movies and TV, but he used to be common.

I think that Scott Adams has the idea :

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius

I got that from someone in a previous thread here on ZH.

There are many kinds of people, and Trump is interesting and even more admirable than a few, but that does not mean 'should be president over all others'.  Not by a long way.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:14 | 6975131 McMolotov
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Teflon won't cut it. He'd need to be the Kevlar Don to propose shutting down the Fed.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:34 | 6975879 StychoKiller
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More like 3"-thick steel plate Don.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:28 | 6975478 Bazza McKenzie
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If you pay attention to Trump you will know that he speaks to the broad public in terms they all understand and on matter of concern to most of them.

While I'd be personally very happy to see the Fed vaporized, preferably with a lot of pain for current and past members, it is not a matter that is on the radar of most of the population, nor likely to be understood by them, and Trump, who actually is campaigning for office not just throwing around his favorite ideas, is going to concentrate on those matters which are important to the broad community and actually understood by the broad community.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:16 | 6974836 Chris88
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Ding ding ding! Congrats on not being brain dead like the rest of Trump supporters.  ZERO talk on ending entitlements, welfare, Israel First foreign policy, ending these useless ABC agencies, ending spying and restoring bill of rights, ending patriot act/NDAA.  Talks a lot about Mexicans and Muslims, gee, how impressive.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:25 | 6974883 Bloodstock
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@Chris88 - yeah but he is definitely on a roll so why change now? Following the strategy of your trolling? LMFAO! Go find a sandbox to play in Chrissy.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:28 | 6974899 Chris88
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Bloodstock - please refute one thing I said.  Find me a Trump quote that says otherwise.  Just resort to name calling, you have nothing else to say because like Trump, you're a Statist,  Go have fun with the welfare/warfare State continuation.  

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:39 | 6974951 Bloodstock
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@Chris88 - I did refute with the post at 14:28 but you failed to see it. Let me repeat it more clearly since you missed it. "He's on a roll!" His campaign strategy is working much better than any of the other "choices" that will be on the primary ballot. Anyone who would change a successful campaign strategy at this point would be a fool. No reason to find your Trump quote as the obvious is obvious to folks with a brain. Good luck with that.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:44 | 6974976 Chris88
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He's on a roll?  That doesn't refute his past support for every welfare/warfare State thing in existence, nor his reluctance to cut the federal government down dramatically (actually, at all). Somebody did poorly in his junior high debate class last week.  

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:51 | 6975014 Bloodstock
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So Chris88 where exactly is that I resorted to name calling? Noting the suspected actions of trolling is not name calling but only my opinion of actions that you seem to be participating in. But you go on to call be a statist. Lol. Beam me up Scotty,,,.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:03 | 6975073 Chris88
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"Go find a sandbox to play in Chrissy."

Still waiting on you to refute one of my claims that Donny is going to abolish the welfare/warfare State, yet all I hear is "well his campaign is doing well" - that's your refutation.  Seriously, it's pathetic.  I'm not torlling calling you a Statist, you fully support a man who is a Statist.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:36 | 6975888 StychoKiller
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No candidate, with the exception of Rand Paul, is going anywhere near the real issues that must be addressed -- Great Implosion™ here we come!

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:20 | 6975433 Bazza McKenzie
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Since you want others to provide quotes from Trump, time you did the same to substantiate your position Chris.

And because I know you are easily confused, a quote is not something you claim is Trump's position, nor what someone else claims is his position, it is his words with a citation from which anyone else can confirm the accuracy of the statement.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:30 | 6974907 crossroaddemon
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Well... we're more or less on the same page, even though I don't agree with all your bullets. For instance if you want to end entitlements/welfare youhave to tell me what you are going to replace them with because in my very strong opinion there will never ever ever be enough jobs to go around again. Dealing with that fact ethically is going to be one of our biggest challenges going forward and unfortunately I think it's mostly going to come down to just letting hundreds of millions right here in North America starve to death. But even if we can't see eye to eye there it illustrates one of the big issues that Trump isn't any more vocal about than anyone else: how do we deal with a sharp economic contraction that is going to be permanent? He's telling people that we can pull out and he fucking KNOWS better. Another big one that he fails to address is the evil of profit without responsiblity (yes, I believe the corporation is an evil concept) and then there's the biggest of all, THE biggest challenge we have to face going forward: how the FUCK do we prevent wealth from being leveraged into power? That's the very heart and soul of our problems, and Trump isn't sayning word one about that. Why would he? He's rich and he wants power. Do the math.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:33 | 6974922 Chris88
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Please explain how a company with publicly traded shares, where shareholders vote for a Board, who selects executive officers whose duty it is to create wealth for said shareholders, is an evil concept.  Is this more evil than a bakery that opens in your town?  If so, for what fundamental reason?  Lastly, do you have any experience in business?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:53 | 6975019 crossroaddemon
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If each of those shareholders is 100% liable for anything the company does then I'll stop calling it evil. As in, if the company kills somebody every shareholder and every member of the board gets the same treatment from society that you or I would get as individuals. Anything less is profit without responsibility, which of course is the whole point of a corporation. If the bakery in my little town of 800 killed somebody through negligence I promise both owners would be brought up on charges. THAT is the fundamental difference.

People object to the above suggestions on the grounds that done this way all businesses would either be sole proprieterships or made up of two or three owners who trust one another implicitly. My response is: Perfect!

And yes, I have extensive experience. I am self-employed and have not worked a real job in over 20 years.

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:05 | 6975083 Chris88
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The shareholders can't be held personally liable, because they aren't privy to insider discussions on the company and would have no idea if the higher ups were involved in something nefarious.  Shareholders take the risk that if this happens, their share prices can go to zero.  That is their incentive.  If there were no corporations, capital riasing would slow dramatically and so would economic output.  Whatever you did work in, it sure as hell wasn't being high up in a business or in capital markets.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:16 | 6975414 crossroaddemon
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Sigghhh... full disclosure of bias: I am a bit of a radical. I believe that big systems are inherently tyrannical and it is pointless to try and reform them. more than that, I believe that the present system is not at all broken. It performs it's intended function, the concentration of wealth and power, with almost 100% efficiency. Trying to fix it is stupid; we can only hope to destroy it. Personally I think we are going to fail.

And you're right: without the providers of capital being insulated from the consequences of their directors actions it simply would not exist. And don't tell me about share prices going to zero; when was the last time that happened just because a company got caught doing something illegal? If you profit from it, you share in the responsibility. That is the only ethical approach. The risk would be unacceptable to most investors. That would be for the good; we'd be forced back to smaller-scale economies that might offer some small glimmer of freedom. I'm not holding my breath for that.

And yes, my business interests are strictly local and small scale. I do quite well, thank you very much.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:03 | 6975768 Chris88
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"And don't tell me about share prices going to zero; when was the last time that happened just because a company got caught doing something illegal?"

Arthur Anderson, Enron, Lehman....you want me to name 25 more?

Smaller glimmer of freedom?  To what, be as successful as omniscient you believes they should be?

Stick to mom/pop stores you run, you're out of your league.

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:16 | 6975417 Bazza McKenzie
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While your point about shareholders is valid, when are the board and senior execs held personally accountable?  They have no defense of "I didn't know".  They are paid to know.  Yet government almost invariably allows them to walk and if forced to do something it fines the shareholders.  If you follow ZH you will have seen numerous instances of that.

And as for that "capital riasing" and economic output, you should realize, again from ZH, that real capital investment by companies is declining while the trillion gifted by the Fed to the 1% are used for casino speculation, for paying ever larger amounts to senior execs while asset stripping their companies and shafting employees.

I personally believe in free enterprise but my definition of that does not include theft, fraud, crony capitalism, free money for the connected, which it has become in the US.

You are one confused cuckoo Chris.  You are decrying Trump because you claim he has not criticized the size of the federal government in terms that satisfy you but you are a cheer leader for rapacious, exploitative crony business practices.

It really does seem you are on the payroll of Hillary or Jeb!

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 17:26 | 6975470 August
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>>>when are the board and senior execs held personally accountable? 

Not on my watch.  I am Richard "Holbrooke", and I endorse this message.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:18 | 6975826 Chris88
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It is so blatantly obvious you don't work in capital amrkets and business, I feel like I'm reading a post from HuffPo.  How many public filings have you ever read in your life?  How many banking departments have you worked in?  Have you worked for a HF/AM?  Maybe you do have a real job, you may be a doctor, engineer, physicist, but this type of thing is apparently over your head.  I don't get business/financial advice from ZH, I get it from my profession.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:23 | 6974871 Chris88
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Trump sounds progressive when you hear him talk socialized medicine, gun control, the nanny state, PatriotAct/NDAA, the warfare State for Israel defense, and not reducing federal government by a penny.  Glad he's not PC, but if the government will continue to steal from me, spy on me, and take away my freedoms do you think I give a fuck the guy is anti-PC?  

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:30 | 6974910 Bloodstock
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@Chris88 - how much is the Jeb campaign paying you to troll?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:35 | 6974931 Chris88
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Bloodstock - given the above issues I stated, of which Jeb is the same, why the hell would I troll for that retard or any of them for that matter?  I'm an AnCap - I don't troll for any Statist pig.  Again, Bloodstock, you have NOT addressed a single point I made.  It's become obvious that you can't.  I'm sorry I upset you because you're possibly beginning to see how much of a sucker you've been.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 21:40 | 6976348 StychoKiller
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If you're of a mind to vote in 2016, then vote for Rand Paul (write-in if necessary!)

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:04 | 6975079 Kayman
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Trump is pragmatic- he is not constrained by some left wing-right wing fiction.

Bringing home American jobs- the number one plank in his platform- will diminish entitlements.

The man is a business man, has made payrolls all his life, and knows a thing or two about creating private sector (tax paying) jobs.  Tell me any check Hiliary has ever made out- besides to herself.

 

ps. Government employees pay NO taxes.  It is simply private sector taxes they are recycling.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:35 | 6975884 Demdere
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Stupid. "Bring home the jobs" is a sound byte, not a policy.

Trump knows nothing about economics, he knows about finance, best case, and a couple of different entertainment businesses.  Not trivial, not nothing.

And if he knew what to do, none of that would matter.  But he won't do nothing, and roll back gov as his only activity, no he will fix the job market in some way.

That is how we got here.  Trump doesn't know much about the economy, nobody knows enough to control it.  But Trump doesn't know that.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:59 | 6975337 Bazza McKenzie
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Your comments are simply dishonest Chris.  Most of what you ascribe to Trump are the opposite of his policies.

You are certainly qualified for a job in the MSM or maybe Obama's next PR spiv.

Wed, 12/30/2015 - 18:12 | 6979743 Chris88
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They're actually quite accurate if you bothered to see what the man has said in the past.  I didn't even ask his hive-mind supporters to show me he didn't say the things that he did, simply show me Trump saying "We will cut the federal govenrment 50% for a start" - "We will abolish the Fed/IRS" - "I will pardon anyone who practices their 2nd amendment right" - "I will end the spying on US citizens".  He's a one trick pony at best.

Just a simple quote, a speech, a soundbite, and I got ZERO from his ever so enlightened supprters.  No thanks, sweetheart, I have a real job in the private sector.  Funny part is you think anybody that opposes Trump is an Obama supporter, despite my reiertations of my political views not to mention you can clicl my name and it flat out says it.  There is nothing conservative about Trump, may as well have run for the other group of morons instead of the current group of morons.  

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:53 | 6974731 Tenshin Headache
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Enjoy this shot of the Donald showing Chris Christie who's the alpha dog (NY Times):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2015/12/28/us/28firstdraft-trumpchri...

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:56 | 6974741 City_Of_Champyinz
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Isn't this when the Donald told Chrissy to go fuck himself?  Looks like it to me...

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:37 | 6975889 Demdere
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I don't need to know who is alpha dog, I need to know who thinks clearly about reality.

Trump is indeed by far the best at content-free sound-bytes, the others try to play that game, and are lost to the master.

Not the same as the best choice of President.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:55 | 6974740 mofreedom
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NO, because the others have done SO MUCH MORE WRONG.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:15 | 6974832 PacOps
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My first thought as well. I like Trump - might even vote for him if I vote at all. But it is the rest of the pack and MSM that drive most with a functioning brain and some awareness away from all other options.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:27 | 6974898 mofreedom
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I do like Cruz alot too, any enemy of McConnel is a dear friend of mine.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:57 | 6974746 _ConanTheLibert...
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I'm afraid the elite wil have him assassinated.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:06 | 6974787 crossroaddemon
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Why? They chose him.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:13 | 6974825 Chris88
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He won't touch the welfare/warfare State and has supported all aspects of it prior to his presidential run.  He's part of them, if you could open your eyes.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:54 | 6975026 _ConanTheLibert...
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Explain why Soros is afraid of him

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:18 | 6975151 Chris88
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For the PC issue, not for his non-support of the leftists welfare State, which Trump certainly seems to have no issue with.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:34 | 6975222 HopefulCynical
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I don't think Soros IS afraid of him.

I think Soros is trying to drive his detractors straight into Trump's arms, giving him an appearance of legitimacy by attacking him.

Moar false flag nonsense.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:10 | 6975109 Kayman
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Trump has repeatly said he would not have gone to do the Dubya regime-change in Iraq. That's several Trillion saved that could have been spent rebuilding this war-torn nation.

And Trump has smarts and a backbone so it wouldn't be a repeat of our dithering dilettante that we have now.

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:39 | 6975906 Demdere
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He says it now. What did he say when.  What would he have said then?

No question Trump is smart.  But we know nothing else about him, less than we knew about Obama.  Pig in poke is lousy bet.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:57 | 6974747 crazybob369
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Come on. You have to vote for the guy just for the entertainment value. World is probably going to go up in a big fireball in the next couple of decades anyway, regardless of who's in charge. May as well get a few chuckles along the way.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:42 | 6975920 Demdere
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If you are near death from some dread disease, hated humanity and had no living relatives that you did not hate, that would make it rational for you, but for none of the rest of us would it be rational otherwise.

You have no judgment, please don't exercise it here.  This is too much like a standard hasbara drive-by comment, max snark, min intellectual content.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 21:43 | 6976354 StychoKiller
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Sigh, if only we had a strong Chancellor that could rein-in the Senate bureaucracy...

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 14:59 | 6974754 Soul Glow
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The Fed and their monied banks want the system to go on as long as it has to.  This because the system breeds idocy, lunacy, and evil.  It makes people soft and dulls their cares.  It makes people greedy and wanting.  They want people as soft as possible.

The system will go on as long as it has to and anyone in its way will be run over.

If Trump is a decent human he won't be allowed to be in office.  They will find a way to oust him.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:00 | 6974758 Duc888
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RINO's, NeoCONS and Statists like Paul Ryan don't get it.  The jury is already in.  They suck.  They just can't wrap their heads around that idea.  They're busted.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:05 | 6974778 aliki
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he went thermo-nuclear on chris christie today ... me being from NJ, rightfully so:

Donald Trump nukes Chris Christie while attacking a New Hampshire newspaper
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-chris-christie-union-leader-...

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:09 | 6974803 Chris88
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Such a shame Trump has said not one thing about gutting the federal government which means he's the same as the rest of the clowns, just with funnier jokes. Blah blah Mexicans, blah blah Muslims, wow - awesome platform Donald, how about discussing something like, oh I don't know, reducing federal expenditures dramatically.  Oh but that's right, you're a shill just like the rest of them.

Trump has, prior to running for president endorsed: gun control, socialized medicine, the cotninuation of entitlements, the welfare state, blowing Israel and getting us in retarded wars, etc. the list goes on and on.

Trump supporters are similar the the Hope and Change moron Obama supporters - fooled by firey rhetoric with zero substance, supporting him no matter what.  You people are fucking suckers.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:12 | 6974814 atomicwasted
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But this time it's wihte supremacist Hope and Change!  

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:19 | 6974848 Sudden Debt
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Normality sets in...

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:14 | 6974827 besnook
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you say that as if we should let the career politicians continue to run the show. trump trolls are missing the logic gene.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:20 | 6974856 Chris88
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So, those of you who decry voting "the lesser of two evils" are prepared to do exactly that?  What is logical about voting somebody that has the same fundamental political ideology as a Statist?  Do me a favor, find me a Trump quote where he talks about one alhabet soup agency he'd abolish immediately.  I won't hold my breath.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:26 | 6974875 besnook
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so because he doesn't say what you want to hear you are willing to elect someone you know is saying what you want to hear so they can slip a plug in your butt and have you enjoy it. makes sense. you know what they say about expecting a different result from the same action. trump represents a real outside politics choice, that alone makes it sensible to vote for him.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:39 | 6974953 Chris88
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I don't vote - I won't be part of a system reliant on force/violence/coercion.  If I were to vote, I'd vote whoever the Libertarian candidate is instead of another Statist with no solutions to any issues other than "Bahh Mexicans! Baah Muslims!"  

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:55 | 6975312 Bazza McKenzie
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Wonderful dog in the manger attitude.  Do you bite your own tail too Chris?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 18:59 | 6975760 Chris88
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Great job voting has done the past 103 years, really, everything is getting way better.  So do you wanna stick a gun in my face for your nanny state, or would you just have the IRS do it?  Bootlicker.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:20 | 6974859 Bloodstock
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@Chris88 - so who is the better choice of those who will be on the ballot?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:26 | 6974885 Chris88
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I'm sure the LP will have a better candidate.  Personally I don't vote because I won't initiate force/coercion/violence on other people to steal their property.  Maybe you could address one of the points I made about what a half-wit socialist Trump is.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:42 | 6974968 Bloodstock
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So Chris88 your're sure the LP will have a better candidate but you don't know who that candidate is. That's a good one, lol. 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:48 | 6975001 Chris88
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Each year their candidate at least discusses dramatically reducing the welfare state, ending stupid ass wars, repeal of Patriot Act/NDAA, gun rights to be recognized nationally, etc.  Where's Trump been on those issues?  Oh yeah, in support of all of them.  Bloodstock, just go on and vote for the nanny State.  Like moron Obama supporters, you'll be crying here in a few years about how mucyh Trump hasn't done shit.  Fooled again.  Go on sweetie, table 5 is waiting for their fries.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:45 | 6975939 Demdere
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There is no surer bet.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:53 | 6975302 Bazza McKenzie
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So you don't vote but you think everyone should listen to your views about the relative quality of candidates.

What a bozo.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 21:46 | 6976367 StychoKiller
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So, when ya know that the deck is stacked, do you bitch when someone gets dealt a full-house?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:34 | 6974924 dizzyfingers
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So, who are you voting for?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 21:47 | 6976369 StychoKiller
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Georgy Tyrebiter.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:15 | 6975134 Kayman
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Come on Chris88, open up, don't be shy, tell us what you think...

Trump built a viable business, made payrolls, told his banking creditors to take a hike and walked away.  And you compare him to Obama ???? Any checks that Obama ever saw were written by someone else.

 

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:26 | 6975186 Chris88
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I'm not arguing Trump isn't a very, very successful businessman and a decently intelligent guy.  I'm simply Stating that all his politics have been, and still are, flat out Statist.  Not one mention of gutting the federal government, of not spying, of nationally recognizing second amendment rights, of not being world policeman, etc.  Please don't misconstrue why I have a problem with Trump, I didn't say a word about his business career.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:50 | 6975293 Bazza McKenzie
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His business career is relevant in terms of efficiency of operation, which is relevant to gutting government.

You might want to check out his site re his policies on the VA which is one part of government.

Perhaps also think through the implications of keeping out illegals (so gets rid of all the bureaucrats coddling them), same with mahommedans.

Perhaps recognize that in a campaign over about 18 months no one puts out all their policies at one time because the media and public want something new throughout the period.

Maybe you can tell us which of the candidates has spelled out policies to gut the federal government.

Of course if you were just a shill for Hillary or Jeb you'd be carrying on as you are on this article.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 19:09 | 6975793 Chris88
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"His business career is relevant in terms of efficiency of operation, which is relevant to gutting government."

Just like Romney/Bloomberg right?  

You might want to check out his site re his policies on the VA which is one part of government.

Perhaps also think through the implications of keeping out illegals (so gets rid of all the bureaucrats coddling them), same with mahommedans.

This reduces government how?

Perhaps recognize that in a campaign over about 18 months no one puts out all their policies at one time because the media and public want something new throughout the period.

So Mister Conservative Saviour can't simply give a view on Fed/IRS, indefinite detention of Americans, spying, national recognition of gun rights, and gutting the federal government?

Maybe you can tell us which of the candidates has spelled out policies to gut the federal government.

None since Ron Paul, which is why I'm an AnCap who doesn't bother voting because if you vote you're hopeless.

Of course if you were just a shill for Hillary or Jeb you'd be carrying on as you are on this article.

How is an anarcho-capitalist, who refuses to vote for anybody, a shill for Hillary, Jeb, Bernie, Cruz, or any other assorted jackass you can come up with?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:10 | 6974808 atomicwasted
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Every time Trump says something offensive, or doubles down on it, the rubes lap it up like he's somehow sticking it to the man by being an asshole.  Instead, he's just an asshole.  

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:18 | 6975152 Kayman
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As I often tell my wife- try living without an asshole. 

Trumps message to his opponents is simple- "I am not afraid to call a spade, a spade"

Oh, the high and mighty are slithering about, denouncing the great unwashed masses.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:12 | 6974815 yogibear
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People don't want PC. Get it mainstream media!

Most people want free speech and the truth.

The more the media libtards try and force PC on us the more we revolt.

With the media PC it's all about controlling the masses. Mega media conglomerates are worried.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:19 | 6974852 Boubou
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Right. I.m with them. I'd vote for Jabba the Hut if it might convince the party hacks that I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:45 | 6974982 bid the soldier...
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Hutt

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 16:43 | 6975256 Bazza McKenzie
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Him too!

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:13 | 6974818 alexcojones
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Some guy from the Red Team said,

"Matters not who casts the vote but only who counts the votes."

Chairman MAO SE DIEBOLD I believe?

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:27 | 6974897 yogibear
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You can feel it, people want to break free from the chains of Political correctness.

Those who wrote the constitution gave us the means to do it by the right to bear arms.

Now the PC correctness crowd wants to take away the weapons.  The PC media is doing everything it can to take away the weapons, beware!

Tue, 12/29/2015 - 15:29 | 6974904 BSHJ
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What they do not understand is that Trumps "offensive" comments are NOT offensive to anyone but the political class, the elites and the MSM!

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