Turkish, Greek Jets Engage In Dogfight Over Mediterranean

Tyler Durden's picture

Turkey is no stranger to aerial conflict of late. 

After months of back and forth banter between Ankara and Moscow regarding supposed Russian incursions into Turkish airspace, Erdogan finally “went there” on November 24 when Turkish F-16s shot down a Russian Su-24 near the border with Syria. One of the two pilots was killed. 

Although Turkey claimed the (17 second) violation of its airspace was unacceptable and just cause for military engagement, it was just three years prior that Erdogan had decried the downing of a Turkish F-4 phantom in Syria’s airspace."A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he declared.

But that wasn’t the only hypocrisy apparent in Turkey’s brazen move. According to the University of Thessaly (whose statistics are based on the Greek military’s tally), there were 2,244 violations of Greece’s airspace by Turkish jets in 2014 alone, representing an increase of some 250% from 2013. Here’s a look at the graphic: 

Well don’t look now, but Turkish and Greek fighters just got into a dogfight over the Aegean.

Here’s eKathimerini

Greek and Turkish jets engaged in a brief dogfight over the Aegean Sea on Tuesday after Turkish aircraft violated Greek national air space several times.


A formation of six Turkish jets, flanked by two CN-235 aircraft that were not in formation, violated Greek air space nine times, according to Greek defense officials.



In all cases the Turkish jets were chased off by Greek aircraft. Two of the eight Turkish aircraft were armed.


The violations were the first since early December following a minor diplomatic spat between the two Aegean neighbors after a message on Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’s Twitter account accused Turkish jets of repeated transgressions in the Aegean.

Since Erdogan is a fair man, and because we're sure Turkey's attack on the Russian warplane was completely legitimate, we suppose the Turkish President would have understood if Greece had shot down one of Turkey's fighters.

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Meh. Means nothing until wreckage starts falling out of the sky.

Bumpo's picture

Some one needs to tell Alex that the President of Turkey is not 'Ergun'. He's pronounced it that way a dozen times this morning. My god.

COSMOS's picture

Well the Turks are winning this one.  They landed more than one million muslims on Greek shores and going strong.  Expect to see more Cypress scenarios on other Greek islands.  Last I heard on Lesbos the muslims outnumber the locals and they are all young men. Each one with a knife can in a few seconds make the entire island muslim only.  The Greeks better beware.

tmosley's picture

Really, REALLY want to see Russia install some air defences for them.

Does it count as an act of war if Russia shoots down a Turkish plane in defense of a NATO member's airspace?

insanelysane's picture

Both groups were out hunting Russian passenger planes and started fighting over the quarry.

WordSmith2013's picture

Greek Monk Prophecy & The Third World War ... ... ...

to begin between Turkey and Greece



August's picture

FWIW that "dogfight" was pretty much right over Mount Athos.

Good place to get shot down, I suppose, at least for a Greek.

KesselRunin12Parsecs's picture
KesselRunin12Parsecs (not verified) August Dec 29, 2015 3:48 PM

In other news, Obama & Reggie Love got into a 'catfight' over the Pacific.

Stuck on Zero's picture

Wait a minute ... those islands in the Aegean are claimed by China.

giovanni_f's picture

Majority of Greeks tend to sympathize with the so-called West although Russia was one of the protecor nations after the Greeks had managed to get rid of the Turks oppression after 400 years. It might change not easily - but it would be fun.

Escapedgoat's picture

Wrong my boy,..... by at least 25 years.

You could go and ask NOW,  how many Greeks like the West. And the USA since 1974.

I have.

deja's picture

They do share a common Orthodox faith. 

Baby Bladeface's picture
Baby Bladeface (not verified) tmosley Dec 29, 2015 2:22 PM


Really, REALLY want to see Russia install some air defences for them."

Sticky situation might be, Greeks with 1997 year version S-300 allowing recently Israel air force testing against them.

COSMOS's picture

I agree Baby Bladeface, the Russians aren't fools.  If they lend the Greeks a hand with air defence there will be a price to pay and the systems will be for rent only and on Russian Ships stationed off the Greek Coast.

COSMOS's picture

I agree Baby Bladeface, the Russians aren't fools.  If they lend the Greeks a hand with air defence there will be a price to pay and the systems will be for rent only and on Russian Ships stationed off the Greek Coast.

IronForge's picture

The Irony...

They betrayed the only Country that could help them with their Financial, Defense, Energy, and Sovereignty Requirements.

Guess they're going to have to get some ISR-made SAMs; and wait for TRK to stick their neck out too far...

Jack Burton's picture

COSMOS, you are correct! And guess what? The EU just issued a report condeming Greece for it's poor handling on Migrants. More money they say should be spent to house and accomodate Migrants. More transport to move them north should be laid on. More food made available. And more rescue craft to pick up boats from Turkey and escort them safely to Lesbos and Greek mainland.


bid the soldiers shoot's picture

Isn't the EU going to give Turkey $3 billion in 2016 to keep refugees from entering Europe?

How much will they give bankrupt Greece to shelter the refugees already there?

Ghordius's picture

interestingly, you don't focus on the other complaint. the one that Greece could have done more to make sure those migrants don't even enter their territory, and so "the EU", and the Schengen Area

Ghost of PartysOver's picture

Uh, two NATO members shooting at each other or at minimum engaging in a pissing match..   Little bit more the "meh" I think.  Every collapse begins with a little meaningless crack.

manofthenorth's picture

My thoughts as well.

Just what the fuck does it mean to who when 2 NATO aligned nations start shooting at each other ???

I do not know but I hope the Greeks or someone starts to put limits on the horseshit that Turkey is allowed to get away with.

stacking12321's picture

the article doesn't mention any shots fired - if that's the case, do you have a link?

i am guessing they are using "dogfight" to mean that the greek jets chased off the turks, which is a questionable use of the word, imo

ThroxxOfVron's picture

"Just what the fuck does it mean to who when 2 NATO aligned nations start shooting at each other ??? "

Uni/Bilateral agreements and actions.

NATO alliance functionally useless.

Security Council vetos will also render UN practically useless...

Dugald's picture


If the Greeks are all that broke how can they afford to maintain and fly sorties?

and why not shoot down a Turk or two, oh, yes of course, can't afford fuel AND ammo

bet they all took lots of selfies looking fierce and brave......do pilots still use Brylcream?

guess that dates me, ha!

SteveNYC's picture

Hang on, aren't these two NATO bum-buddies? Yes, Greece will surely stand tall by Turkey's side as the savage Russians intimidate, display aggression, and violate International Law*. The white knights of NATO will come together as one overwhelming force to defeat evil in the world.......blah blah blah.......

Like NATO had any credibility in the first place, watching this charade is just sad.


* Open for interpretation

Dugald's picture


Not sad,

Just Bollocks, or the lack of.

Badsamm's picture

I believe those Greek jets technically belong to Germany , but either way this exciting. So who does the US get to bomb in this case and will we be selling weapons to both countries immediately?

pods's picture

Just ask Russia to fire off an S400 and light one up.

Oops, sorry Turkey, but you know how serious it is to protect your border.


Senduko's picture

So shots where fired?

I mean the title says dogfight? from the article I seem to miss the "dogfight" part.

COSMOS's picture

No dog fight, just dog pissing.

Bastiat's picture

Sniffing and growling?

Squid Viscous's picture

is that dog on the spinning gyro machine yet? we're getting hungry

Wile-E-Coyote's picture

Dog fight? Sounds like a bitch fight, hurling insults over the intercom. Your mother smells and your father is a camel: Sort of thing.

Baby Bladeface's picture
Baby Bladeface (not verified) Wile-E-Coyote Dec 29, 2015 2:25 PM

Is cat fight with slapping, scratching, hair to pull.

One of them a fingernail breaks and concludes the fighting ..... for now.

JustObserving's picture

Erdogan, the war criminal, trying to divert attention from internal troubles in Turkey by engaging foreign enemies.

NotApplicable's picture

Provocations such as this tell me that Erdogan is desperate for a much larger war, so that NATO finally has it's casus belli.

daveO's picture

Desperate=Instructed. He's following orders. See the Bosphorus Strait.

secretargentman's picture

Not only is NATO lacking a "casus belli", it's lacking a "raison d'etre". It should be disbanded.

August's picture

I hear the Chinese have completely rebuilt their embassy in Belgrade.  Sounds like a provocation to me.

oddjob's picture

NATO can't even hold back from attacking itself.

Winston Churchill's picture

Mad dogs are not discriminating.

salvadordaly's picture

It's all fun and games till a jet falls from the sky!

BlindMonkey's picture

Correction.  That is when the fun and games begin.

SgtShaftoe's picture

I suspect that before this is all over Erdogan is going to be slowly torn limb from limb Mousolinni style in a public square.  It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.  Well I guess the Saudi royal family may get similar treatment as well. 

FedFunnyMoney's picture

The Greeks should have shot one of them down.

wombats's picture

They should have sunk the boats dropping the invaders/refugees /asylum seekers on their shores before this shitime got out of hand.

BarkingCat's picture

Indeed. Sink a couple of boats and they will quit coming.