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Americans Petition Obama To Declare Erdogan's Turkey State Sponsor Of Terror
On our way to documenting Turkey’s arrest of two generals and a colonel who dared to stop a weapons-laden MIT truck in route to Syria, we said that “if there’s a silver lining to last Tuesday’s downing of a Russian Su-24 warplane by two Turkish F-16s it’s that the world is now starting to scrutinize President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.”
Indeed, in the wake of the plane “incident”, Russia embarked on an epic PR campaign to expose the Erdogan government’s complicity in Islamic State’s illegal crude trade and to generally wake the world up to the fact that if ever there were a state sponsor of terror, it’s Turkey.
While it’s probably too much to ask for the general public to delve deeply into the history of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia on the way to drawing a connection between Riyadh and the ideology espoused by the various Sunni extremist groups operating in the Mid-East and generally recognized as “terrorists” by the Western media, watching clips of Russian warplanes vaporizing oil tanker trucks requires little in the way of intellectual investment. That’s perhaps why The Kremlin’s PR blitz has done such an admirable job of alerting the world to Turkey’s role in sponsoring terror.
In fact, word has even reached nearly 35,000 members of the generally clueless American public as evidenced by a White House petition to have Erdogan’s Turkey recognized as a state sponsor of terror.
"Following Turkey’s downing of a Russian jet striking the Islamic State (IS), it is undeniable that Pres. Recep Tayyip Erdogan supports jihad terrorism in Syria," the petition says. "IS exports oil via Turkey and terrorists of IS, al-Qaeda, and other jihad groups transit the border."
While it looks as though the plea will fall far short of the 100,000 signatures it needs, it appears the people are waking up - if only gradually.
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We should Petition ourselves.
Petition on Miley Cyrus breast surgery to have millions of signers
Surgery performed by Lady Gaga, 2 billion!
That petition should arrive at his desk on the 19th hole any minute now.
White House, Media Silent One Year After Murder of US Reporter Who Exposed Western Links to ISIS October 20, 2015
The real MVP is Serena Shim, she's been proiving the Turkey-ISIS angle since 2012
We will never declare one of our sterling NATO brethren a state sponsor of terror, when we won't even call the people openly threatening to kill us terrorists...
Merkans should be protesting the FACT that the US is the greatest sponsor of terrorism in the history of the world, followed closely by Israel... Erdogan is merely the latest puppet in the western arsenal of assholes carrying out his master's orders...
They're not terrorists, they're just politically challenged.
I am Chumbawamba.
Handcuffed...have written letters to no end and get the same condescending "elevator music reply" from our criminal representatives and it's contrary to common sense. WE the PEOPLE can't do shit unless it's an outright revolution, right now Trump is the portal for venting. (just wonder if he'll go right along with the Unipolar mode or if he's really a business genius & go for the multipolar mode...we won't stop NWO but maybe they allow us to contribute/pay for our skills?)
The people must wake up! The thing to do is form a people's PAC. There are enough of us that with even a small contribution for each US citizen, we might actually be able to buy off enough Congress Critters to give us an ear. Wake up people and smell the coffee! Nothing gets done polictically without money on the table. Perhaps we can get government assistance for those people whose incomes are too low to participate in this PAC. I can see a lot of Congress Critters signing on to that, given that they will be the beneficiaries of this PAC.
A Peoples PAC. It's the only way!
Amen.
I can see where this is going.
Obama "Erdogan must go"
He will turn Turkey in to another Libya and lock Russia in the Black Sea.
I am willing to bet on this.
Putin would go to war with NATO to keep Bosphorus open
Lock Russia in the Black Sea?
That sure as hell aint gonna happen. Nukes would fly before that scenario would ever play out.
Yep. Not only that but China would back up Russia by embargoing the US. With the flow of cheap goods cut off, Walmart, facing imminent bankruptcy, will convert to Islam (pushing the envelope of corporate personhood by taking on a religious identity), pledge its loyalty to ISIS and then declare holy jihad against the United States Government. Meanwhile, Americans will be going apeshit and rioting in the shopping malls because the lack of supply of new flatscreen televisions will cause a panic.
And then the EMP hits...
I am Chumbawamba.
http://fxandgeopolitix.com/2015/12/29/as-the-east-creates-the-west-tries...
This is a great article about the inroads China is making in Eurasia & Africa, too bad the US wasn't into building infrastructure. China with the BRICS alliance is moving forward in a positive direction while our Evil Deep StateWall Street Warmongers are still peddling unipolar, king of the hill destruction wars. The writer has made some good calls in the past; one was the shale & LNG ponzi scheme so I trust his info to date. (bah) :-))
Isn't that what they want though?
It would be simple to close the Bosphorus.
Just sink some ships, and take the bridge down. 4 hours of work.
The attack would begin with a repeat of Georgia and then roll into Azerbaijan. Armor would begin massing 10-20 km from the Ukraine border. Russia would make a show of moving around its mobile ICBMs. Russia would then move resources into the strait and clear it.
Vale Serena Shim - Not only incredibly brave - she was gorgeous as well - How those Turkish barbarians could kill this innocent working mother is beyond belief !
Agreed and what's even worse is that all the truth-and-justice reporters who are so diligent in covering riots and environmental causes are disgustingly quiet when it comes to an honest reporter like Serena Shim doing her job under dangerous circumstances.
Her colleagues should be howling to have her case investigated and the killers identified and brought to justice. Nope. They know better. They will never antagonize the hand that feeds them. So they will continue to heap vapid stories upon us, one after the other.
RIP Serena Shim -- you had more testosterone in your pretty pinky than all your colleagues combined.
Ha!
LOL yet we have over 100k to label the Klux Klux Klan as domestic terrorists and eradicate them. Americans are so dumbed down, way to go elite, you made it happen.
We knew they were terrorists when we supported them a month ago. If we define them as terrorists, we define ourselves as terrorists.
Pssssst. We've always been the Terrorist. Terrorizing & destabilizing the world to steal resources, murder & create havoc.
We should petition Obama to declare Obama supports Erdogan's Turkey State Sponsor Of Terror instead.
The paradox!
Another......
http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2015/12/gangs-in-london-can-you-g...
another unwanted spam link
we didn't catch that the first 457,835,987,435 times you posted it.
Just game my signature! Cmon ZH community let's do what is right and take 15 secs to sign the petition.
Most ZHers are too busy whining about Obomber to do anything.
I signed it and suggest everyone here on ZH sign as well.
Vladimir has presented clear evidence that Erdogan is funneling millions to ISIS by purchasing their cheap crude oil and Vladimir also has the balls to try to stop this illegal flow, while the Obamination administration refuses to disrupt the flow of $$$ into ISIS coffers on the rationale that it will add to climate change and could result in civilian casualties. We have to wake up John Q Public that our alliance with Saudi Arabia and Turkey has us secretly supporting ISIS while playing the charade that they are our greatest enemy. It's the Big Lie of the Obamanation. Please sign the petition:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/list-erdogans-turkey-state-spo...
signed (@)
Petitioning the government is the same as begging your master. You can't vote the system out so you certainly won't petition the system out. Stop lending your strength to the system. Withdraw from it as much as possible. Revoke your voter registration. Don't send your children to public school. Don't apply for birth certificates for your children. Don't get social security numbers for your children or get rid of them before they start to earn a living. Don't use credit cards unless absolutely necessary. Use cash or barter if possible.
Midnight Express shoulda taught ya.
I knew a guy on the ship I was on who went nuts and signed
off in Turkey. He was taking the tender ashore and was throwing
$100 bills into the water.
He was never seen again.
His mother who lives in Austria went back for 20 yrs looking for him every
year.
You'll go blind if you keep doing that.
Erdogan is a war criminal.
Turkey supplied the sarin that killed over 1300 Syrians in Ghouta to try to get the Nobel Prize Winner to bomb Assad into oblivion
Seymour Hersh Links Turkey to Benghazi, Syria and Sarin
The assessment of the Defense Intelligence Agency is that the sarin was supplied by Turkey to elements in Ghouta with the intent of “push[ing] Obama over the red line.” Intercepted transmissions from Turkish operators in the aftermath of the attack are jubilant, and the success of their covert mission must have seemed well in hand. Obama’s implicit call to war in the coming month was proof of that.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/06/seymour-hersh-links-turke...
The Nobel Prize Winner will do nothing about Turkey. Erdogan just follows American orders:
Bombshell: The Turkish Assault on Russia’s SU-24 was Guided by the US Air Force
“A US Air Force Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS plane took off on 24 November from the Preveza airbase in Greece. A second E-3A of the Saudi Arabian air force took off from the Riyadh airbase. Both planes were executing a common task—determining the precise location of Russian aircraft. It is they that picked the “victim.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bombshell-the-turkish-assault-on-russias-su...
The US government is a war criminal; most recently bombing a known, and marked, hospital, also including instigating multiple coups throughout the middle east and Ukraine and the direct funding, training and arming of terrorists.
Then we'll likely get Fetulah Gulen or his proxy. Who is Gulen? He lives on an estate in Pennsylvania with a net worth north of $20 billion and runs the largest Islamic network of Mosques and Madrassas in the world (from the USA!). See Sibel Edmonds conversations with James Corbett on "Gladio-B." This may well be a move to insert Gulen, IMHO.
Maybe the plane was random, but the location wasn't. Azaz and the Oncupinar border crossing is a vital area for oil and weapons smuggling. Trucks lined up at the border for months.
"Fire all of the neocons." -- Paul Craig Roberts
We don't have artillery guns with barrels wide enough to fit the fat americans anymore. Besides which, firing them at enemies is inhumane to our foes.
Zyklon-B will work in a pinch
The Raj used to just spreadeagle the victim over the end of the canon.
Reserved for Hindu rebels.You cannot enter the next life in pieces.
Won't win any good housekeeping awards.
Out of a cannon.
Into the sun.
Sez the retired neocon
Erdogan’s Family Got Caught in a New Scandal
http://thenewsdoctors.com/erdogans-family-got-caught-in-a-new-scandal/
nice link. thnx. seen the recent turk/greek fighter jet skirmish ?
http://theaviationist.com/2015/12/30/aegean-sea-dogfight/ ,
or the sarin gas black-ops ? [check zerohedge october articles]
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/2-turkish-parliament-members-turk...
speaks for itself really.....
From the cited article, "The Islamic State is secretly cooperating with the third son of the President Bilal Erdogan to smuggle stolen oil through seaports that remain under his direct control."
It would appear that the big news is that Recip Erdogan's son, Bilal, is now president of Turkey. Thanks for the link.
erdogans sucks obozo's dick..... so by association....
obama is a sponsor of terror
and that's not even counting the IRS
impeach them both.. find them guilty
hang them both
I just signed the petition, thereby adding my identity to all terrorist watch lists.
Me too!
What the hell have you been doing the last 14 years. Need to be on at least 3 lists to have any solid ZH cred.
1. Nobody in the US knows where Turkey is;
2. If a single American citizen (other than Ivan Watson) I've ever met knew how to pronounce Mr Erdogan's names, I'd personally take a full-naked dump in Times Square;
3. If any person from this point forward recognized the Bosphorus as something other than a toenail spa or a reference in a song by Cake, I'd be amazed.
Ergo this thing is cooked. But that's okay, Obama likes his white meat with dark gravy.
I'm in the US, and I know exactly where Turkey is.
What time and channel will your dump be ?
Just curious so I don't have to watch it.
Yeah, me too. Our leftovers are in the fridge.
Lemme check that ...
Lemme check that ...
Lemmy, check that.
RIP.
goog glass charred his 3rd eye
^^^^^ Well. I have to admit you are right. Seems most citizens of the US are ignorant. Calling them 'AMERICANS" is an insult to other residents of the Americas
Ha. Be amazed. Been there done both including joint operations with Turkish EOD teams back in '63 and as a tourist in the 70s. The US Navy gets around. Most of the retired sailors who have been on Med Cruises know Turkey well and presently reside in the US. Then there are the gals and guys who were actually stationed there.
Consider expanding on the number of educated people you meet could help your #2.
Three criteria, ma'am. Didn't say anything about Joe Schmuckatelli. (Happy New Year, Commander, with all respect.)
Barnaby, can YOUR middle school kids name and locate 90% of the countries in Europe, South America, Asia, MENA, most in the Caribbean, and some key Pacific Islands?
Can your kids tell you how currency is created, how a loan or mortgage is created? Can your kids start a camp fire 5 different ways, fish, build a lean-to and igloo, know what 10-20 items you'll need in a BOB, or how to make Jerkey?
Can they make a dozen different basic meals, ski, swim, waterski, fix a flat tire on their bike -- and still know how to build and program a Lego Robotics robot and their iToys? Do yours speak more than one language, and flag you on your bad grammar? Mine can.
Fuck Turkey, their just another Puppet Vassal State of the real War Criminals from the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. / CIA / Mossad / NATO arming, funding & training the world's AL CIA duh terror organizations & its affiliates.
No, actually Turkey is the cornerstone secular nation in charge of key shipping routes, export facilities, pipelines and ports instrumental to keeping this whole mess from turning into a giant self-destruct mechanism.
Turkey is the privet hedge that somehow keeps the barbarian from commandeering your soft, progressive and submissive EU nephew.
You mean the key shipping routes, export facilities, pipelines and ports instrumental to keeping ISIS and Al-Qaeda in functioning order. The ones that the Turkish gov't can't seem to secure fuckin 3 years later?
Yea, those. The ones Putin is decimating on a daily basis.
Isis? Al Qaeda? You got a Tooth Fairy or Santy Claus in there?
Yeti?
G-g-g-ghosts?
^^^^^ SECULAR? HEDGE? SOMEHOW KEEPS?
American zombie. Your "leaders" must love you, lol The rest of the world? Not so much
Okay, not secular. What would you call them, something more extreme? Atheist?
What would you call the US?
This
Seymour Hersh discusses the US military’s covert opposition to “Assad must go” Obama Administration policy
TND Podcast Spotlight: The Scott Horton Show
Seymour Hersh, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter and author, discusses the US military’s covert opposition to the Obama administration’s “Assad must go” policy in Syria, including intelligence-sharing with the Syrian army to prevent Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State from taking over.
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=572878
Sorry, after his 'limited hangout" on the death of OBL I don't trust a word he says.
For an invstigative journolist to 'miss" the lack of a
dialysis machine in the Abbotabad compound is flabergasting.He's compromised,
or works for the CIA.
After 280,000 dead in (Syria alone) and 8 million of them displaced systematically since 2011 at the hand of Zionist power.... NOW?... We fucking hear cat calls for stopping what we've been doing for 14 years.
Ball gargling circumcised cock licking cum guzzling motherfuckers that we are in the Zionist controled U.S. of A.! Backin down NOW only because of the Russian Bear! And this is the only reason because our military is and always was a bunch of fucking craving chicken shit cowards that will never go after the prize when they know their probability of a "body bag" is > 80% =courtesy of their Zionist patrons!!!!~
Makes ya proud don't it!!!
lololololol 100
New movie from this director "Saving Ryan's privates"!...
Because I don't think American Piece of Shit quite honestly will float anymore!!
Not after the tremendous ass hammering of American forces by Russia (that we're never supposed to know about) in Ukraine and now Syria since 2014!!!
I guarantee you the only reason something is being done "now" is because they saw it on the MSM.
"Oh my God, Turkey is supporting terrorism?! We have to do someth- wait, what do you mean we airdropped 50 tons of ammo and weapons in the desert?"
I'm circumcised and didn't have a choice.
No downvote, not a Jew. Also, this is what creates ghettoes, wars, and the eventual concentration of humans who need to be shipped elsewhere.
Bullish?
Then watch these you circumcised "questionable Zionist" dickhead!
And I agree. This is what causes refugees from those Countires our boyz rape, murder and pillage which we then USE to eliminate the surface population in our own countries first using them as terrorists to kill our own, and then as a viable source for competitive labor in the "international marketplace"...
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/fallujah-the-hidden-massacre/
https://abumubarak.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/american-soldiers-raping-mus...
P.S.
I didn't down vote ya either... Obviously didn't need to!!!...
I fucking hate Erdogan. He's the biggest terrorist of them all.
Certainly not. 9/11 still is supreme in modern terrorist events, although the False Flag nature removes much of the difficulty, so professionals aren't as empressed by the coordination, tho the handling of the PR afterwards was awesome. MSM still can't discuss 9/11 in any rational way.
Our entire Establishment is complicit in the 9/11 Treason. Wow.
At least a fresh sart won't be hard, there isn't anyone who we can allow to be in any position of power in a future America.
This Erdogan is the same character that not long ago just so happened to be Obamas best freind on the world stage. Go figure.
Some say there are those in the military and state department that are ordered to stand down but then feed information material in the Russian fight against Isis and exposing turkey's roll in all this.
If that is true, we are just a fraction away from civil war.
^^^^^^ The leadership of your country needs a wake up call. Their masters want war. The people will pay the price. Maybe you deserve it for your complacency
Whatever Zionism is supposed to mean, what it actually means is that a false d o c u m e n t called the Balfour Declaration gave real estate that did not belong to Britain to atheist Khazarian gentiles, posing as Jews, who have never had the right to any of that land, regardless that the name 'Israel' was cleverly selected to call it, in order to dupe millions of Christians around the world. WWII was created for the specific purpose of establishing a headquarters as close to the newly discovered oil fields in the Middle East and to disrupt all governments in the region and seize the oil, and 'Israel' is that headquarters, doing exactly that !
^^^^ Lol. Then they claim that the persians are the terrorists
^^^^ Lol. Then they claim that the persians are the terrorists
Obama's buddy. The one he first called after being sworn in.
wait wait Do NOT post facts; as per this:
Wed, 12/30/2015 - 17:50 | 6979863HowdyDoody
Most ZHers are too busy whining about Obomber to do anything.
If Barry has any concern whatsoever for his legacy, then he will drop everything he is doing. Contact the CMC (Marine Corps) and request 2DMARDIV to deploy and secure a perimeter around the White House. (Yes, that will be martial law in D.C.) Do one more vetting of the Secret Service personal assigned to the President. (Better to just replace them all with Marines to be sure.)
Then get on the air. The President can demand that. And show the public this ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/30/will-biden-take-along-these-vide...
He then directs CJCS Dunford to further brief the public, based on his briefing via personnel from Veterans Today et al Intel Cowboys ..
This is the best plea bargain Barry Soetoro can offer leaving his term of office. He still may not forgo full prosecution for his deeds, but this will sure soften the blow ..
Via this act, he will certainly get the American-firsters / Patriots / Constitutionalists / Intel Cowboys on his side. He can do one better, by eventually endorsing Trump. Lee Wanta has DHS (the good faction) protection as Dec. '14. He is even immune to the "Three Mile Solution." (He already has many "Bobby Lee Swaggers" on his side.) Barry would do good to start siding with Lee Wanta here. Show the public this ..
http://wantarevelations.com/2014/01/wanta-plan-macro-financial-economic-...
Apologize for his negligence in ignoring the information, and go from there ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/30/the-coming-return-of-the-real-us...
https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp (Read Me First)
One more thought. RE: Biden's meeting with Erdogan. Listen to Bill Holter again at the very end, of what he discusses with Greg Hunter concerning the Syrian Deal ..
http://usawatchdog.com/2016-prediction-collapse-caused-by-fraud-debt-bil...
The U.S. State Department, courtesy of Kerry makes a complete 180 degree turn in policy since 2011. So what do you think Biden and Erdogan are really going to discuss?
Turkey is NATO's mad dog...time to put it down. Otherwise a lack of action is proof positive we are complicit with them.
All of NATO is complicit is this Obomanation of world chaos...
In honor of this "momentous occasion" that should have happened after the 9/11 Commission Report...
Why the fuck don't we have a celebration on the "White House lawn" (flambe with noose and gasoline) for lighting and do the honors on:
The White Chimp "in the Oval Office" along with his Vice President Joey Biden...
George Bush and (the entire family)
The "Dick Cheney"
Cunta-sleeza Rice
General Colin Powell along with his Deputy Dawg Colonel Wilkerson
Paul Wolfowitrz
Richard Pearle
Paul Bremmer
George Tenet and his entire staff at Langley (burn in Hell) Central
All of the cocksucking General(s) and Admiral(s) that looked the other way with the stand down on Setember 11, 2001 that know the truth
The entire Supreme Court (for the wonderfrul treason they make possible every day)
Secretary of State "the Donut Hole" and honorable mention Vietnam Veteran and "Winter Soldier" who accumulated all those valuable lessons NEVER AGAIN in our names ...John "Heinz"( I'm a bitch to money like we all are) Kerry
Victoria Nuland along with her Kike husband Bobby Kagan that whispers in her ear to tell her what to do
CIA Director John Brennan
NSA Director Jimmy "Clap On" the Clapper
All The motherfucking Kings men at the Pentagon (ALL OF THEM IN UNIFORM) JCS
And EVERY SINGLE BITCH and BASTARD that gave "the nod" and authorized this destruction since 9/11 in the HOUSE and SENATE
Will be quite the "pig roast"... Bring the kids for party favors and fun for the entire family!
Let's make it a New Year's celebration we'll never forget!!!!
God YES
what about saudi?
Don't try to invade the place. Tried. Failed.
Just a thought.
- ANZAC
How about declaring Obama's America as a state sponsor of terrorism?
No worries - I sent off a strongly worded email to Erdogan asking for the same declaration of the U.S. given the time zones, might not hear til later tomorrow. Will advise.
"[...] and to generally wake the world up to the fact that if ever there were a state sponsor of terror, it’s Turkey."
Well, yes.
But Saudi Arabia and Qatar also sponsor terrorism in Syria. And then there's the US and UK and a few others. Any country that is recruiting, training, funding, supplying weapons and ammo or assisting in logistics to any terrorist group in Syria is sponsoring terrorism.
Obamy grins as he adds all of the people who signed this petition to a watch list that bans them from owning weapons and flags them for an audit. It's probably a tad late for petitions. If they had the 100,000 signatures needed he would probably piss on it on his way to the golf course.
Forget Obama. I saw something on TV about hacker groups 'playing' with Turkish websites. Much more effective than Obama. It's supposed to be a punishment for Turkish hospitals treating wounded ISIS guys. Don't know at the moment what's become of the issue.
Russia are doing a pretty good job of getting the TRUTH out - I thought the US had isolated them ??? Putin is at least 5 moves ahead of the 'Marionette' MONKEY and his NEOCON strategists !
The supreme art of war - "Subdue your enemy without fighting" - Putin is Sun Tzu reincarnate !
When Putin acts Obama reacts
When Obama acts Putin misdirects
Putin and Lavrov come from govt backgroumds. Peace Prize is a wannabe commumity organizer and "scholar". Kerry is a dilettante who is the Peter Principle in action
Advantage Russia
I like the part where you put the word "scholar" in quotes.
This would easily achieve 100k "IF" it were promoted. I, for one, never heard about it.
As of now, US politicians are pointing and saying "Oh, how cute!"
And it would never happen, but might raise awareness to the fact you can be a total criminal fkhead and still be in NATO. Just like the US.
Turkey,Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.They all sponsor terrorism on behalf of the CIA.
The Pentagram of Evil
US
Saudi Arabia
Israel
Turkey
Qatar
Wow, 0.015% of the U.S. petitioned to declare Turkey a state sponsor of terrorism.
Amurika, fuck yeh!
Let's have another petition, to expose Kim K's ass live on national T.V....Bet it gets more than 0.015% that's for damn sure.
How about a petition declarin Israel a terrorist state?
That ought to get six million sigs
Snarc
well no, when you train other governments how to do it you're a vanguard. If you allow your people to do it you're a terrorist.
A petition is a request.
People need to start DEMANDING.
True.
... and ignoring.
... and disobeying.
... and evading, avoiding, escaping.
That will happen when all is lost; you do not want people totally unrestrained; it is called chaos.
You are right, chaos is not wanted. However, what else can anybody do? You can boycott Turkish goods if there are any in your neighbourhood, you can avoid to travel to Turkey - and that's about it. Turkey needs to be out of NATO until they have learnt a couple of lesons and letting them into the EU is a rather Merkellian idea.
??? SAY WHAT ???
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For people to ignore human predators is chaos?
For people to disobey human predators is chaos?
For people to avoid, evade, escape human predators is chaos?
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It is always amazing to see how many otherwise smart human beings buy into absolute, complete, utter insane nonsense... as long as that nonsense is repeated enough times by enough people.
Sigh. Humans are a failed species. Humans are hopeless.
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The fact is, all humans are constrained... by their own consciousness. If any exceptions exist, they are immediately removed from existence when their senses and consciousness together fail to constrain them from trying to walk across a busy freeway.
The only constraint humans need is constraint against harming or stealing other human beings or their property. And the only constraint they need is their own consciousness.
Any human who does not constrain themselves in this manner will be exterminated by other human beings... in self-defense or retaliation. Which means, there will never be very many living human predators.
HOWEVER, what happens if a great number of humans expect (or demand) human predators specify and implement the constraints?
Answer: Then these human predators steal and spend endless trillions of dollars to buy monumental quantities of destructive equipment, weapons, ammo to fight wars and harass everyone (the police state). And to hire more human predators to carry those weapons around and kill, maim, destroy and enslave.
For example, to murder 250,000,000 human beings in the 20th century. And that doesn't even count the many other forms of destruction these human predators cause.
You call that "order"? You call NOT having endless massive killing and destruction "chaos"? If so, we need "chaos" to prevent the killing, the destruction, the enslavement... all caused by those human predators who call themselves "authority" and "government".
Excellent news. Well done ZH for reporting it. Even the creepy Mi6 agent, crypto zionist, jew who is not a jew, the UK's Archbishop of Cantebury said in his Christmas speech that Christians were being exterminated in their original place.
You've got the rat pack on the run. Keep them runniing.
Russia and Putin deserve our thanks, for defending Christians and civilisation (including jews and muslims), killing ISIS, even when hateful entities exploit weakness and lies
You will enjoy this middle eastern news site I believe. Pass along if you like it.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/home.html# (pop-ups at beginning; just "x" out)
Do not patronise me with .gov propaganda.
Erdogan is going under the Washington bus as soon as a new bus arrives. If looks could kill, then Erdogan is already dead.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/02/obama-urges-turkey-and-ru...
I would like to think that the President sent a clear message with that look. I await the results.
If the U.S. is alledgedly financing and supplying weapons to ISIS, maybe we should set up a petition at the White House accusing the U.S. of being a state sponsor of terrorism. I think the U.S. needs to investigate/comment on that.
Agreed, but the 9/11 commission would just be reinstated, which is what got us down this dead-end path we are already on.
You are right, but please can we not digress and distract?
If we want to do something about Turkey's limitless mendacity we need to focus on that issue. We also need to ensure that Turkey either changes their war against their own people, the Kurds, or gets kicked out of NATO because countries with a civil war do not have a place in NATO>
The petition would need to call for Obama to recuse himself while writing a public apology for allowing himself to be puppeted by a list of ziocons he would name. Otherwise the petition is fairly useless.
Donmeh jew Erodogan would kill Turks who were secular, kill Greece, killl Christians, kill muslims....all for his batshhit crazy medievalist vison of a new Otoman Empire, in hock to moneychangers, Filth. No wonder he runs oil lines for ISIS, stealing oil which mostly aids City of London moneychanger Ratchild fiefdom Israel.
Men fail when women and children are sold for the Tallmud or the Koran.
Americans and Christians and others know that is wrong.
It is wrong to sell a child into slavery.
Also EU has declined to admit Turkey into EU
not only now but also not in next decade
Hah ha
erDOGan , poodle in the lap of satan USA
reap the rewards
Now turkey will be kicked out of EU
and also from the SCO
Turkey will become a pariah
Any country which plays in the hands of USA will suffer
USA destroys its friends or puts them into submission
Poor & small nations , align yourself with Russia & China
else you will be snuffed out & looted by America one by one
It is ZATO, zionist.
EU is a constuct of money whore, failed banks.
You are fucked.
Turkey is your monster.
When the USA tells you to go your own way, you just won't like it, nasty lil nazionists.
Someone's waking up. I think the propaganda is no longer working.
2016 Year of Turkey ? Just promoted to be another proxy state to be in the play having discarded the used tissues of Ukraine, Syria and Others. It gets interesting when it is a NATO State. Refugees for EC, Greek style bailouts for EC poor cousins, etc. All dumps to your neighbor's gardens. China on its own economic suicides. Looks great for the flow of cheap oil and petrol dollar (not dethroned) in 2016, Worry about the rest with the New President. Play "Empire Intact" in 2016 because of all the gifts showered from allies (i.e. transactional and temporary) and rebels. Only need to negotiate with on Pesky Putin and that should not be too challenging with the one pony trick oil economy of Russia.
Who says that the Empire has no foreign policy ? Just that the spoils are not meant to be distributed to even their own.
Everyone please sign this petition -- and get your friends to do the same. Turkey out of NATO (US, too.)
NATO out of NATO too!
How can you petition a terrorist to declare his terrorist partner a terrorist?
N.A.T.O=Nasty Amoralists Thieving Oil
perhaps the sultan of spin is becoming such an embarassment he may suffer "a fatal illness" or succumb to "a tragic accident" in the near future? In the ottoman shit hole there are so many dangerous roads....