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Swiss Army Chief Warns Of Social Unrest, Calls Upon Citizens To Arm Themselves
Swiss army chief André Blattmann warned, in a Swiss newspaper article on Sunday, the risks of social unrest in Europe are soaring. Recalling the experience of 1939/1945, Blattman fears the increasing aggression in public discourse is an explosively hazardous situation, and advises the Swiss people to arm themselves and warns that the basis for Swiss prosperity is "being called into question."
As Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten reports, speaking on the record for the first time since the November Paris terror attacks, Blattmann told the paper that despite a rise in security incidents over the past two years Switzerland’s means of defence were being reduced.
The situation is growing increasingly risky, Blattman begins.
"The threat of terror is rising, hybrid wars are being fought around the globe; the economic outlook is gloomy and the resulting migration flows of displaced persons and refugees have assumed unforeseen dimensions."
Blattmann: "Social unrest can not be ruled out", the vocabulary in public discourse will "dangerously aggressive."
"The mixture is increasingly unappetizing" Blattmann sees the basis of Swiss prosperity, "has long been once again called into question."
He recalls the situation around the two world wars in the last century and advises Switzerland, to arm themselves.
The Swiss Armed Forces had held many years ago maneuver, in which the starting point was focused on social unrest in Europe.
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Swiss politicians, of course, responded with disbelief to the army chief and hold his warnings are exaggerated.
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A day late and a dollar short.
Whatever happened to the story that that all Swiss males had a government-issued weapon and ammo at home?
This is how Empire crumbles, not with a bang but a whisper......than several bangs, plenty of rot and decay, strife and stress, dislocation, blowback from all corners and so on.
...and this...
...and this...
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Excellent points.
May I suggest a goose gun to liberate the air column above your abode from peeping Toms/Sams.
Militaries all over the world know something is coming. Why do you think the US military, for the first time ever, is hold damn near live fire exersizes in the middle of US cities ? The urban assualt drills have not stopped
Questions to assist in creating a working inventory of mind, body, and equipment for living in dangerous or uncertain times
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/questions-assist-creating-worki...
The bread is not for protection, it's just this guy's snack while rioting...
Clearly the top 1 percent are fearing for their lives.
Swiss politicians, of course, responded with disbelief to the army chief and hold his warnings are exaggerated.
As does every incompetent politician/leader (since the beginning of time) when faced with the last act of the current paradigm.
Hopefully the Swiss Army Chief doesn't meet the same fate as Flavius Aetius
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_A%C3%ABtius#Assassination
It's all going as planned. Destroy the culture by creating massive angst, leading to violence, leading to martial law, and then they've won. Hang the bankers, then the politicians
Cloward Piven 101.
That happiness when the AK you want is back in stock.
Sheriff Little Bill Daggett: "You just shot an unarmed man!"
William Muny: "Well, he shoulda armed himself"
If you value your own people and culture, the diversity nuts call you a 'racist'. They are like little kids that don't know anything about the world and just call other people names. Evolution cannot occur without speciation. Integration necessarily destroys evolution. All living creature are genetically programmed to discriminate based on genetic composition. Again, evolution would not be possible otherwise. The diversity nuts say to you, value the other as much as you value your own. This is nothing more than a ploy, to get you to drop your guard while you are too strong for them to directly assault. They need you to voluntarily surrender, otherwise they do not have the strength as of now to destroy you. But over time, they will no longer need you to fall for their ploys. When they have control, they will simply wipe you out. What is the point of struggling to provide for your offspring if their lives matter just as much as the others? You can just forgo having children, and help the others with theirs. You are fools. And will rightfully so become extinct as all weak creatures do.
Cosmos, I thought I look up your account to see what is your "own people and culture", but I only found "universal thinker"
this still leaves me puzzling about who you discriminate for (or against). or how much. in short, I am interested to understand your categories
will you humour an old man trying to understand your point of view?
The inhumanity of Social Darwinism oozes from your rant.
Triumphalism about your own "superiority" - the civilized term for that indeed is racism, and rightfully so. I would have been more forgiving towards centre-right views, if, more often than not, they weren't a more soft-spoken and polite version of the same underlying xenophobia.
Issues pertaining to refugees strike a personal chord. Not only due to political conviction, or because my wife's mother was one, but equally because my childhood hero of Fridtjof Nansen became a champion of refugees in his later days. The example set by his life left a lasting impression, in more ways than one.
And I am a Racist Rhodesian. Go tell it to the Marines. Africans have got the best continent on the face of this planet.
And now they want Europe too? Guess who is colonizing who here? They will make as fine a job of Europe as they did of Africa. They will turn it into a rural slum.
I was born in Africa. I was raised in Africa. I know Africa. I am not allowed to live in Africa. And for good reason too. I am native to Europe.
But you dear idiot, permit Europe to be overrun by millions of Africans.
Your philosophy is not that of a wise and benovelent host. It is the philosophy of an fool.
Yes, African-born White Nationalists. The very worst. Has it occurred to you that this mentality of "apartheid" you still cling to, and which you now advocate for European politics, was what has instigated the bloodshed in Rhodesia in the first place?
I've been to Africa on several occasions, including to Zimbabwe. What I witnessed there were the perils of a colonial history, living on long after the declaration of independence. Many of the African continent's "nations" may more accurately be described as Western constructs, which were specifically designed to cater to white interests, and whose architects did not take into account local customs, traditions or tribal affiliations. As a result, much of the ethnic tensions in various regions of Africa, which crippled the continent and left it mired in strife and civil war for decades, can be considered direct consequences of Western interference.
Later attempts by movements as that of Robert Mugabe could do little to repair the damage that had long been caused by then. The only thing that could still be done at that juncture was to try and restore what little remained of pre-colonial unity and culture to an orphaned, impoverished black citizenry. The consequences of what transpired afterward are as much your legacy, as a Rhodesian White Nationalist, as they are that of the colonial British. Yet, you will relentlessly cast yourself as the victim. Repugnant.
have you really ever been in Zimbabwe? please, Eirik... don't defend ever again in any way Mugabe. don't even write something that might be tangentially perceived as a defense of Mugabe. his "little to repair the damage" is pure and simple racism. a victim is the one at the dirty, pointed end of the stick, regardless who is holding the stick
Pointing out the responsiblity that colonialism and White Nationalism both bear in how Zimbabwe ended up after Mugabe's ascend to power is not a "defense" of some of the man's more controversial policies. Please do not place words into other people's mouths.
Your tendency to come to the defense of right-of-centre political views is duly noted.
Mugabe... controversial? not for me. What I see that you fight racism... only in one direction
Nigger apologists must somehow explain away the utter failure OF AN ENTIRE CONTINENT . . . for over 1000 years . . . whilst simultaneously negatively describing the efforts of 'da white man' to establish the rule of law and develop natural resources. Productive use of natural resources for economic development isnt a priority for a pack of niggers who would rather throw spears and gorilla milk into each other. Yet somehow, when da evil white man shows up to harvest the resources, then said white man needs to be sensitive to 'tribal' customs. Of course, if 'tribal customs' include gang rape, mass murder, and cannibalism, that either gets tossed into the nigger apologist memory hole or blamed on the 'colonialism' of da evil white man. Chimpfucker needs to get off his computer and on the first flight to Liberia. Given his exquisite knowledge of Africa and deeply bleeding heart for the suffering of its niggers, he should have that country in first-world form by the end of 2016. At the very least, the proximity of all those chimps to fuck should titillate his senses.
And people wonder why I take a strident tone on these forums, or publicly display a sense of pride over the fact that I opt out of "whiteness". Individuals like yourself are a cogent reminder that "whiteness" in our time is not so much identity, but a moral problem.
If you were my son or otherwise a family member, I would disown you/sever family ties with you.
Please die and do Darwin a favor.
It wouldn't be so bad if you were lying to yourself with the Stalinist sanctimony you spout.
Hello? You don't give a fuck about your relatives! You make that perfectly clear with your tiresome "antiracism" blabberings.
Don't you have a town full of refugees that need blow jobs to feel better about Sweden? Go service your masters. Go.
"I was born in Africa. I was raised in Africa. I know Africa. I am not allowed to live in Africa. And for good reason too. I am native to Europe"
first, I don't see why you claim "for good reason, too". second... native? third... are you in Europe? or is "Europe" a kind of mythical homeland for you?
Eirik applies a principle. imho... a principle that is not that bad... as long as it does not clash with realities. in your case, the reality of a racist Mugabe asshole
Chimpfucker has some ISSUES . . . in case the posts dont give that away. Somewhere in the world, there is a butterfly net and a straightjacket designated for him. There was a time when beastiality was illegal in many parts of the world. . .
Ghorius: Are you really this fucking stupid? Or do you merely struggle with a logical fallacy that paralyzes you, for the duration?
Don't forget the cops and all the other "order-followers".
It's a looooong list.
Anyone wearing a loyalist uniform, or fighting for them, is taking part in treason against the People and will be shown no mercy.
Hanging is too good for them. Given the unfortunate circumstance of a lack of clean, oiled and ready to go guillotines, I say we haul out the woodchippers, and start feeding these fuckers into them feet first. Let's not forget the lawyers, judges, and tax collectors.
HH has provided us with some of the best advice and links ever now and in the past. It's better to be preapred then not.
Thanks, HH!
Yup. It's always been wise to be the ant rather than the grasshopper (Thank you Aesop).
By being able to take care of one's self, family, and your neighbors/local community - we free up resources for others who may be in need. Oddly enough, it also seems to build character.
Can we sign This general guy up as a dual citizen - American-Swiss ?
We could use a few more like him.
"The bread is not for protection, it's just this guy's snack while rioting..."
Aloha Snackbar !
https://youtu.be/4g5p6b-ZZ5Y?t=160
Must have stopped at Allan's Snackbar on the way.
Using surveillance video from other area businesses to identify the arsonist, Gary Nathaniel Moore, 37, was arrested and charged with starting the Christmas Day fire that devastated a Houston, Texas mosque. Moore is a devout Muslim who attended this same mosque for years, praying up to five times a day every day of the week.Also up in smoke is the DC Media’s hoped-for anti-GOP Narrative. Before any facts were known, numerous DC Media outlets immediately exploited the tragedy to place the blame for the fire on Donald Trump.CBS News:Advocacy groups believe there has been a spike in anti-Muslim incidents across the United States in recent weeks that can be linked to the mass shooting in California and the inflammatory rhetoric of Donald Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. And they say that Muslims are fearful the backlash could lead to further harassment and violence.CNN:The Houston chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called on authorities to investigate the fire for an anti-Muslim motive.“Because of the recent spike in hate incidents targeting mosques nationwide, we urge law enforcement authorities to investigate a possible bias motive for this fire,” Mustafaa Carroll, the chapter’s executive director, said in a statement.NBC News:The Houston chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called on authorities to investigate a possible bias motive in the case, citing what it called a “recent spike in hate incidents targeting mosques nationwide.
Now that a devout Muslim has been charged, the DC Media will forget all about the incident.
If it doesnt fit the narrative, drop it down the memory hole. Has Lois Lerner been charged yet?
hey, why that's Allen.....
you know.....from the snack bar!!!
it's his toofer sale...
That bread is from Alan's Snackbar.
You mean that the solution is not to live near guys like Gates or Buffet, or to hide out (extend & pretend) in gated communities?
Ich bin ein kartoffel!
Fron Switzerland!!!
The real question is: Whose side will the Military be on?
Military follows orders. Ever wonder how they "talked soldiers into" rounding people up like cattle to be shipped off to the ovens in Germany ?
The military sends cadets through several weeks of intensive brain washing.
This article seems to contradict that the Military simply follows orders. There are plenty of awake Patriots in the Military. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-22/seymour-hersh-bombshell-us-mili...
In support of Mr. Freud, I present Exhibit A:
60-70 shots in 13 seconds? Hell, a couple of thugcops do that on the regular these days. Didnt Neil Young commemorate '4 dead in Ohio'? The .govsters have gotten a lot more efficient since then. PROGRESS!
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=guerilla+gunsmithing
It was Crosby, Stills, Nash, and yes Neil Young. The LP "Ohio". Thank goodness I didn't go play ball that day.
Key points. These were national guard, they were more connected to the population and some joined to avoid Vietnam. Yet they killed unarmed college students who were not even throwing rocks.
The students of the time never retaliated, even when no soldier was punished.
The grownups, the adults, the parents of the time, those who were the political might - did nothing. They did not condemn their govt.. They respected authority, position and the uniform - they did nothing to prevent another killing or to hold their govt accountable.
Not one single National Guard or Regular Military member took action against the killers.
And all you had to do was label the college students as communist, enemy sypathizers, filthy hippies, pot smoking (...) - and it was justified and the fault of the students.
The soldiers now thirst for blood. The whole WMD is known to be all lies but they are still called "heros" who protect us and volunteer to kill. (Why not, they have great advantage and low risk in the killing orgy) The press is now well controlled. TV is filled with various cop shows and the most admired characters are the rogue cop who breaks the rules and heads. Next time the killing will continue once it starts and those who stand up will fall.
Who will they begin with? Who knows (gun owners, Muslims, political groups, conspiracy voices) they will be labled, they will resist and the public will watch (mostly supporting it). And there will be a flood of volunteers/job applicants to participate for the govt.. If not initially used, the military will likely demand to be allowed to press the fight within the US.
Most likely, very few of the people in the National Guard or military have read the Constitution. If given an order to fire on the populace in a similar situation, it will probably be backed by threats of Court Martial backed with claims that their actions are necessary to restore order. A few of them would be just fine with it. Many would likely not be happy with it, but would buy into the restoring order shtick. The rest would intentionally miss. Take it past suppressing a riot onto the level of a civil war, and a lot of them would desert.
But know this, in a Katrina like disaster, at the very least, you can expect DHS to come through and seize guns. Be prepared. Do not expect them to listen to reason if they are not met with superior firepower, for they will not.
Any attempt to strip my weapons will be met with the appropriate response. Some fools might miscalculate and have a go, but I expect Satan would welcome a few noobs with an appropriate 'breaking-in' party. Hope those fuckers find a way to take some anal armor to hell!
Sure. In New Orleans they went house to house and not a single person fought back. And unless it has changed since. They did not give back but a very few of the guns they took - ever.
Now there was a more recent city. Boston? Where the populace touted their roll in the revolution, their independence and love of the constitution. And the govt went from house to house to house without a warrant. And every one of them complied.
You will be ordered (from their secure postions) to come out. If you do not in the end you and your house will be leveled or burned to the ground. Even small police outfits now are getting remote controlled machines simular to small backhoes that can pull down the walls of your house a bit at a time.
Funny, when it came down to it suddenly there was not a single one of "you" to be found. They will be so bored due to the absolute compliance they will be begging for someone to do as you claim you will.
People didn't believe that it could happen during Katrina, until it did. Most of the firsthand accounts that I saw on the confiscation said that they didn't know that their guns were going to be taken until they had firearms pointed at them.
Spread this video around, to show people that it can happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9qQ-2zeX0E
And you are right about them responding with overwhelming force, which is why knowledge that guns will be confiscated and how they will be confiscated is important. Knock on my door to take my guns with guys from a secure position, and you'll get shot in the back while I'm in my own secure position.
The "overwhelming force" tactic will evaporate when there is a general uprising. It's easy to do in an isolated instance such as Katrina or Boston, etc. The ratio of "little people" to cops is about 500/1. They don't have the manpower to do what all if there is rioting in every city, town, hamlet, burg in the U.S. Most of them will either hide or throw down their weapons and try to pretend they are one of the rioters.
New Orleans post-Katrina gun-grabbers victimized the old women, the slow thinkers, and the unprepared. Some Americans do not fit those categories, have seen the tyrants play a couple rounds of this particular game, and are prepared to make a stand against illegal home invasion. Is that 2% of US population or more than 15%? We'll likely find out, but 6 million+ determined resistors defending their homes would make for, as FPS Russia says, "very bad day" . . . for the tyrants.
Door-to-door is a manpower-intensive effort that is most efficiently done in moderate to high density population areas. Tyrants usually try to isolate/quarantine an area beforehand. There will be signs of a buildup prior to such an action. If you live in a more rural place, they would need a reason to be targeting you specifically. That would, in all liklihood, involve something more than ZH poster. .Gov requires a paper trail for the type of manpower necessary for a single-home deployment. If such an action were as inefficient as the one linked in the vid below, a family-size group with basic prep and awareness could be calling out 'tango down' before the first set of jackboots reaches the foyer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rDOPcCxHOI
After the bombing in Boston:
"They can give me a cavity search right now and I'd be perfectly happy," said Daniel Wood, a video producer from New York City who was waiting for a train.
People in Boston chanted "USA! USA! USA!" as they submitted to martial law. As I said at the time, I was never more ashamed to be an American.
There is a reason that the revolutanry war started with support from only about 1/3 of the populace.
These episodes were too brief for any kind of resistance to form up. Remember that there was a long string of incidents that led up to Concord and Lexington. Consider the Bundy Ranch response as a phase shift in the populace.
Any attempt to strip my weapons will be met with the appropriate response.
At the crucial time the elites will tell you that you must obey them because the evil Muslims are about to kill us all. And you'll comply.
Yeah, no. Gun stores reported a huge spike in sales in the wake of the San Bernardino shootings by people who wanted to be able to protect themselves.
Check out this anecdotal story from the LDS Preparedness Manual (a fantastic free resource btw):
"26. When help gets there, you may get it whether you like it or not. There are numerous reports of aggressive, overbearing behavior by those rescuers who first arrived at disaster scenes. It’s perhaps best described as “I’m here to rescue you - I’m in charge - do as I say - if you don’t I’ll shoot you”. It appears that mid-level State functionaries and Red Cross personnel (the latter without the “shoot you” aspect, of course) were complained about most often. In one incident, a family who had prepared and survived quite well were ordered, not invited, to get onto a truck, with only the clothes on their backs. When they objected, they were threatened. They had pets, and wanted to know what would happen to them and they report that a uniformed man (agency unknown) began pointing his rifle at the pets with the words “I’ll fix that”. The husband then trained his own shotgun on the man and explained to him, in words of approximately one syllable, what was going to happen to him if he fired a shot. The whole “rescuer” group then left, threatening dire consequences for the family (including threats to come back once they’d evacuated and torch their home). . . " (pg. 189)
Billy the raghead isnt prepared to acknowledge that while some-to-many fold in the clutch, a minority will stand . . . like a stone wall. For the sake of argument, let's assume the stone wall comprises between 2 and 15% of the US population, or 6-45 million individuals. They get the homecourt advantage (their homes), and they get the advantage of an unknown number of nearby allies. The US military cant handle fewer than 500,000 ISIS jihadis in a foreign land. How the fuck could some rogue copthugs handle 6 million, let alone 45 million pissed off, prepared, and locally knowledgeable Americans?
Why has the long trail of blood been edited out of that famous photo ?
Not the Army. Ohio National Guard, aka 7-11 clerks and gas station attendants. Under orders of the Governor at the time.
4 dead marxist pukes in O-HI-O.
And FUCK Neil Young.
They were exercising their right to free speech. You defend that, whether or not you agree. That's the American Way.
Love it or leave it.
You are a retarded fucking idiot who doesn't know a goddam thing.
"the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, had been walking from one class to the next at the time of their deaths. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC battalion." He was fucking ROTC, you piece of shit.
I am not normally a hater, but I hope some cop decides to empty his gun one day, and one of your kids minding his/her own business walking along the street takes a stray bullet.
FUCK Neil Young
Them's Fightin' Words, Douche Nozzle...
Froze, the exception tends to prove the rule ...
Bootcamp has little effect on character. It does not approach brainwashing.
These guys have never been, so they buy the fear propaganda pushed out by the Jews like Freud.
I went in as a freedom lover, and came out as a freedom lover. The Consitution is the law of the land here.
I went with limited exposure to the true idiots of the world and came out very well acquainted with the layers of stupid that make up the military.
You must have been in a non-combat unit.
>>>The Consitution is the law of the land here.
I agree.
But our Leaders know that the Constitution may be temporarily inoperative if unruly crowds gather, or the weather gets really bad.
Went through basic training twice, once in 1972 & once in 1986. Never noticed any "brainwashing". We were taught basic combat skills to stay alive, and kill the enemy.
And you never once asked: Whose enemy are we truly fighting????
No one really knows when washing has happened. It's the rinsing that you didn't get.
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Yes. This is another article where all of the gun freaks parade around and try to look scary.
Kids with toys are scary enough to be summarily executed.
A certain % of new 1st time gun owners are gonna hurt someone because they have a CC but no common sense. Guns have a shallow but extremely unforgiving learning curve. I took family out to the range Christmas Day. I did very little plinking. I spent most of my time eyeballing the shooters for safeties sake. The 14 yr old got sent to the truck for a timeout on his 2nd warning. I take gun safety very seriously and if someone is along with me and does not take it serious, I am gone. You can apply the same mindset to motorcycles. I rarely and I can count the number on one hand ride with a group. They will sell a liter bike crotch rocket to any 18 yr old with the down and a credit score. Some will not survive. Darwin can be such an ass.
God huh? You think more highly of yourself than your vote count implies. Perhaps 'troll' would be a better moniker.
Look at how many cops spew rounds EVERYWHERE when they shoot. You want to worry about gun owners hurting someone? Start with the poleece!
Wars get started based on arrogant miscalculation. There are a number of individuals living in the US who WILL, I repeat WILL take up arms in defense of their right to keep and bear arms. If that number is north of 2 million, or a mere 0.66% of the current US population, you can kiss your current lifestyle good-bye for the duration of the hostilities. Your rhetoric arrogantly fails to acknowledge that the 2nd amendment offers a limited hedge against tyranny and genocide. Genocide occasionally happens, and systematic tyranny of a populace by its goverors is status quo in many places today. Geoncide and tyranny are NOT made up fairy tales. They are real threats to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In the last 120 years, every recorded genocide has occurred after the firearms were confiscated from the citizenry.
Remain tone deaf to these people and their beliefs at your own risk. Mocking them while cheering the tyrants to take their weapons may in fact be crossing a red line, triggering a large scale shooting conflict where 10s of millions of Americans perish. I will stand for freedom. All. The. Way.
What ovens ? Fuck off with your racist anti German holohoax crap !
They are Hasbara trolls man, just in here to incite violence and sow fear. The rest of us know better, just junk them and move on.
Ovens. LOL... I thought it was gas chambers. Now we're back to ovens. Whatever. Pretty dumb to try to ice 6 million people by either method so I'll remain a doubting Thomas with my 2-300K number.
(unless of course I step off in Europe, then hey! Yessir, whatever you say! Ain't sending me to jail for 2 years for daring to "think"!)
That is actually why you won't see me in Europe any time soon. I won't even step foot in Canada, because they are equally cucked up there.
You are a fucking idiot,. Those ovens and gas chambers still exist. Go to Eastern Europe and visit them.
Do you also deny the stories about what the Japanese did?
You can deny it all you want. It does not change the fact that it happened. Those that live in Eastern Europe have no problem with that history. In private many will tell you that the Germans did not finish the job. ... just don't expect it to be said in public.
And you seems to forget the soap thing.
....and the lampshades. Don't forget the lampshades!
Shrunken Heads! Nevar Froget!
They used lampshades to make incubators.
Wait, wrong lie. My bad.
pods
Red Cross released documents in 1977 showing the total deaths at each Kamp and a total of 271,301 died at all the kamps combined. Did they lie? Someone did.
6 Million? 9 Million. Before you call someone an idiot look in a mirror so you can properly identify one. Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Center has revised the number to 1 million including Jews and non Jews. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n3p24_weber.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC9eVGb9w-8
6 Million Jews claim 1915-1938 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7_o3z05jC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160
Beyond these links are a multitude of others if you seek the truth.
6 Million? 9 Million. Before you call someone an idiot look in a mirror so you can properly identify one. Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Center has revised the number to 1 million including Jews and non Jews. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n3p24_weber.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC9eVGb9w-8
6 Million Jews claim 1915-1938 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7_o3z05jC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160
Beyond these links are a multitude of others if you seek the truth.
Having served in the US Marines in the last decade, I can tell you that there are a lot more enlisted Marines/Soldiers/Airman/Sailors that would side with their fellow citizens than you guys are making out to be.
Most would refuse an order to kill or round up citizens, unless they believed to do so would save peoples lives (see infectious disease). The mindset of the military now is quite different than many if you guys think.
Marines are going to side with their friends and family, and not the bullshit .gov.
Not when they are being told that they are going after "terrorists" or "drug kingpins" or "child molesters". You clearly overestimate the ability of the average person to think critically, particularly when the information is being tightly controlled. Who do you think were driving the tanks in Waco?
No offense, but Ive been one of these guys, sat amongst them and trained next to them. Youll always have the 10-20% who are going to follow orders ni matter what, but a LOT more than youd think hold deep convictions towards their fellow citizens.
You have to understand, your average sheep doesnt volunteer for a combat role to get his college education. They join POG jobs like admin or air wing mechanic. And enlisted pay isnt nearly enough for grunts to side with "the hand that feeds" over their brothers, sisters, friends and nephews. Its one thing when the terrorists are some faceless brown guys over seas, its quite another when theyre your neighbors.
Also, im pretty sure it was the ATF driving the armored vehicles during WACO. Quite different than your average enlisted man. Frankly, the military would fraction. The probable outcome is many little militias would be formed from each area pledging allegiance to their local areas.
>>>Frankly, the military would fraction.
This is indeed the bottom line; any fracturing of military (and LEO) units will be heavily dependent on geography. Another reason not to live in/near a large city, or in certain states.
ALL of the vets and cops I know would come down on the "oathkeeper" side, but these are guys in the rural West. Your mileage in NYC LA, DC etc. sure as Hell will vary.
I hope you're right. But the bodycount of innocents is just too damn long to believe it. History is against you.
Maybe this time it'll be different?
The attitudes of the enlisted are totally different, beung as its an entirely different type of person enlisted today than has been i the past. Were all volunteers for one.Just for an example, my grandfather served 31 years in the Navy, from just after WWII through the 70s. He saw combat at Da Nang in Vietnam. He 100% believes everything the government and the news tell him, because in his day, the new was supposed to be infallible
Fast foward to today, very little of the enlisted men who serve believes what the government says... let alonef the media. There is simply to much information out there today that contradicts the narrative. People who join today join for a myriad of reason.... and more than youd think are willing to die to defend the constitution.
Many of us take that oath very fucking seriously.
Talked to a sherriffs deputy last weekend. His opinion is that the deputies will be more on the side of the people. City cops on the other hand think most people are the enemy and will likely shoot first because they are afraid of the ordinary citizen or they think are tough and love to waste people. I won't trust any of them or the military.
Sorry, double post.
to those who say look at NO and gun confiscation..there is a lesson there.
1. risk vs reward (why get killed in a no win situation?)
2. if guns were being taken by LEO's..hide your guns. sorry officer don't have any.
3. or have a cheap ass .22 call it grandpa's and say here you go officer.
4. never engage a swat team that comes after you. never endanger your loved ones.
5. only engage them when surprise is on your side. those of us trained understand and do not need further information.
6. nation wide/state wide confiscation means 99% of gun owners will have time to hide weapons..if one fears this, plan now to have a way of hiding your guns.
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Anyone in a position of power that uses the propaganda term 'Bad Guys' is on the side of the USG.
It means 'Look at the threats we created over there, not the real threat behind the curtain.'
'Bad Guys' is .govbot for 'Anyone we point a gun at'.
In the UK the military officially serve the Monarch and not the politicians. There is hope that when the UKs warmongering PM goes off the rails completely the Queen will step in and disband parliament and arrest the politicians. All the military officers i served with were certain to follow the Queen and would gladly jail our deranged politicians. Remember that England tried a republic once in the mid 1600s. It was awful with the politicians imposing mad puritanical purges - they banned shakespeares plays, christmas (because its pagan and not christian) and alcohol! Sensibly the English brought back the monarchy (Charles II) as he liked to have fun (Charles had 5 mistresses) and was far more moderate than politicos. Its politicians that start wars! If the USA wants to revert to the moderation of a constitutional monarchy then borrow some of the UKs royalty - there's plenty to spare!
Fuck the Queen, she ain't no human being.
But unfortunately, when Charles came back he failed to deport the Jews who had come in with Cromwell (Edward I had expelled them in 1290). Jewish money financed the civil war. Then Jews were instrumental in toppling James II and bringing in William and Mary--who brought in yet more Jews, who promptly founded the Bank of England (debt-based money) and took important behind-the scenes roles in the first really great "global" corporation--the East India Company. All the loot from the growing Empire served to placate the British middle class. It worked. We are living in the results now.
The side that is in power and pays the most
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/543559 You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/543559
You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.
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For the most part, soldiers are scum. Talking "standing army" here.
Always have been scum.
That's the truth of it.
The military will side with the government. They almost always do, historically.
Why do so many "patriots" fear the government but then worship the military? If the military cared about the Constitution or the American People, they wouldn't be fighting these wars the government comes up with. They would have arrested all these corrupt scumbags and restored Constitutional rule of law.
Standing armies are the strong arm of the government. They do what the government says, they do it without questioning it and they'll do it with a smile on their face. Standing armies do not liberate the common people from a tyrannical government, they enforce that government's rule. See: British Empire, China, Iraq, the Soviet Union, etc etc... in America, Katrina and Boston are a good example of what to expect.
A false narrative will be fed to the military and the public at large. They will support every measure, from gunning down "domestic terrorists" to full fledged civil war because they'll believe everything they're told. Anyone in the military who refuses to fight will be threatened with death, they or their families. When the only way to be fed will be through the military (government), they will obey and comply.
"I'm from the military and here to help" is just as frightening as "I'm from the government."
I dont doubt the assumptions here. But that doesnt really impact the outcome. The outcome will be determined by the persistence and morale of the freedom fighters. Gaining freedom is hard. It took the colonists 7+ years of military conflict (and many battlefield defeats) before they pulled it off. Are you ready to endure a Valley Forge winter?
You need to know where you are going to hold up when a terrorist nuke goes off in your city. I't coming.
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015-12-30/crusading-former-pentagon-chief-says-nuke-danger-is-growing
Simple - they are rehearsing the Paris-like events that soon will hit the ConUS.
Or did you think you were going to be immune to that...with your so called southern "border".
They probably have a lot of intel indicating that there are - let´s say 500 cells or so being activated as we speak.
Can´t happen in the US - right.
I think you mean "500 CIA cells".
Let´s not bicker about words. Let´s call them 500 CIA-cells - gone wild. It´s always the same thing - isn´t it.
Afganistan Iran,Iraq,Libya,Syria...and on and on. You think you can organize and arm and support crazies that mindlessly will just obey orders without them develping their own agendas.
But this time you have managed to bring them to the west and even your own country.
Even the US military is getting antsy and in fact have stopped obeying the mooslem-in-chief. I point you towards Sy Hersh´s findings.
What will the near future look like. Well- think Israel and the West Bank and Gaza. Or worse. Camps. Check-points,etc.
@Stackers.
My military training taught how to cooperate and operate in support of the chain of command and the president's orders. It was easier then to just assume that the chain was populated by honest and patriotic men. Now not so much, at least at the very top.
Nonetheless, no time was spent selling the leadership as one thing or another. As in zero. What counted was the competence and decency of the men you served under.
I hate to disappoint you but there was no brain washing. It was all about mission, efficiency, reliability, technique, and the welfare of the troops. That was no more brainwashing than medical training brainwashes a surgeon on the fundamentals of competent surgery.
What any German knew about the actions of the government at every moment of his existence is a topic I leave to historians. I do reject the notion that what is known 70 later was known then to every rifleman, every clerk, every secretary, and every officer equally and in detail. I've even heard that there was no internet available to Germans then.
If you knew you were being brainwashed it wouldn't have worked. The fact that you deny that there could have been any brainwashing means it worked quite well. "It was all about mission, efficiency, reliability, technique, and the welfare of the troops." The mission to kill civilians for one reason or another will be carried out with great efficiency I'm sure. I went through baic and three years in the army and 4 years in the guard. It is all about brainwashing but they don't call it that. It's called training, did you get any training?
I'm with HH on this one. Arm yourself. Learn how to shoot- and I don't just mean putting holes in stationary paper targets at the range. Take a tactical fighting class. Stay in practice. Stay physically fit. Do this with other family members, too.
We bitch about the government on this board every damned day and yet there are some who still think the government can protect you? That they even WANT to protect you? If you don't own a gun and know how to use it I think you're the one who's nuts.
Arming yourself means taking personal responsibility for your basic protection....which means you no longer believe others will do so. This usually leads to other uncomfortable Cognitive Dissonances that need to be confronted, a can of worms at best.
Better to turn on the TV and turn off the mind. /sarc
If one hopes to begin to untangle some of the intellectual and emotional issues in that particular, "can of worms," I suggest this most-excellent book as a good starting point.
On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society
By Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
Mental Preparation for Combat On War Developing a Pre-Disposition For Effective ViolenceCrew served weapons do most of the killing, precisely because there is more than one person there. A single soldier [rifleman] often does not fire because he is afraid of giving away his position or does not want to kill, or fires ineffectively. When two or more soldiers are together, such as a machine gun crew, they fire because someone is observing their actions.
The Army uses man shaped targets in training rather than bulls-eye type targets because it conditions the soldier to shoot a humans, or "desensitizes" them.
S.L.A. Marshall
Marshall's work on infantry combat effectiveness in World War II, titled Men Against Fire, is his best-known and most controversial work. In the book, Marshall claimed that of the World War II U.S. troops in actual combat, 75% never fired at the enemy for the purpose of killing, even though they were engaged in combat and under direct threat. Marshall argued that the Army should devote significant training resources to increasing the percentage of soldiers willing to engage the enemy with direct fire.
Marshall was recalled in late 1950 for three months' duty as a Historian/Operations Analyst for the Eighth Army during the Korean War. He collected his numerous Korean combat interviews into a treatise analyzing U.S. infantry and weapons effectiveness, Commentary on Infantry and Weapons in Korea 1950–51. The U.S. Army decided to classify some of Marshall's findings as restricted information, later incorporating them as part of a plan to improve combat training, weapons, equipment, and tactics.
@hedgeless_horseman
As a layman with minor pistol experience, I'm looking into your pistol recommendations. The FN five-seven is 2x+ the cost of the FNS 9c and HK p30sk.
Is the value gain of owning the five-seven worth an extended delay in purchasing additional items on your preparedness list?
If I may there is no advantage, the 5.7 x 28 punches small holes. Better off with a 9mm double stack with modern HP ammo they work great, FBI is reissuing,
It all depends on your budget. If money is an issue, by all means go with the FN 9mm.
Nice addition to this conversation CD. So true. Once it really settles in... it is not pleasant at all. Terrifying actually. Anyone who is not terrified by this particular reality is likely delusional. It is a can of worms. A really big one if you have family.
I clearly remember over a decade ago the terror I felt as the realization finally started to seep in that not only was the government not here to protect me, but rather might actually harm me.
That experience was the driving force behind my "Dispatches from Occupied Territory" series.
There's no 'protection', the actual in you was never in danger, only the transient can go away or be taken.
Even we elderly boomers can be helpful. Load development and preparation of ammo as well as building a larder of primers powder and and brass and projectiles are all sedentary activities for those who just don't have the stamina to to do full taining. For the ambitious I suggest getting Midway's DVD on how to build your own AR15. It is fun, cheap and will allow you 100% ability to be your own gunsmith.
In the UK, you can get rifles as well, up to and including a .50cal.
If you live in California then be a good shot and very quick at changing mags.
Look if you love your gun so much just kiss the end of the tip and pull - you'll have an orgasm
Arm themselves with....Swiss Army knives?
it helps to have a range,"place to shoot" in the back yard. i consider shooting as my game of golf. oh, yea, lets shoot...new sights in the mail today (like the newest putter-ha)...
likeing that sub 2000 gen 2 in 9.
http://www.swissarms.ch/en/SG_550_PE_90_Assault_Rifle.html
dont worry we are ready
"Swiss Army Chief" ... I picture an extra-wide body, with a variety of heads/arms/legs that can be flipped into place with a simple gesture of the thumb...
Hey, Wasup Cog?? Did you quit your day job or are just on vacation? Good to see you back in the comment section.
No longer working.....for now. I will update soon on the failure of my Salt Mind.
Read your link, Cog. Hang in there, bro. Sounds like you are on the right track. Lots of resonance with your situation. Fortunately for me I began preparing as a young man, and may be a bit farther along.
Whatever happened to the story that that all Swiss males had a government-issued weapon and ammo at home?
They do ... unfortunately it is illegal to store ammunition at home.
"In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers would stop and that previously issued ammo would be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still store government issued ammunition at home today"
Actually, military ammunition is not kept at home, but compatible civilian ammo can be kept. (I would rather have bullets developed for killing game than the hardball military stuff anyway.)
The general is worried about the fact that gun ownership is declining in Switzerland. Now down to about 25 percent and falling.