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Russian Imperialism Meets Illusions Of Ottoman Grandeur

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Submitted by Burak Bekdil via The Gatestone Institute,

  • Earlier in 2015, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that he found it difficult to understand what Russia was doing in Syria, since "it does not even border Syria."

  • By that logic, Turkey should not be "doing anything" in the Palestinian territories, Somalia, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan or any of the non-bordering lands into which its neo-Ottoman impulses have pushed it.

In a 2012 speech, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, then foreign minister, predicted that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's days in power were numbered and that he would depart "within months or weeks." Almost three and a half years have passed, with Assad still in power, and Davutoglu keeps on making one passionate speech after another about the fate of Syria.

Turkey's failure to devise a credible policy on Syria has made the country's leaders nervous. Both Davutoglu and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan have lately resorted to more aggressive, but less convincing, rhetoric on Syria. The new rhetoric features many aspects of a Sunni Islamist thinking blended with illusions of Ottoman grandeur.

On December 22, Davutoglu said, "Syrian soil is not, and will not be, part of Russia's imperialistic goals." That was a relief to know! All the same, Davutoglu could have been more direct and honest if he said that: "Syrian soil will not be part of Russia's imperialistic goals because we want it to be part of Turkey's pro-Sunni, neo-Ottoman imperialistic goals."

It is obvious that Davutoglu's concern is not about a neighboring territory becoming a theater of war before it serves any foreign nation's imperialistic goals. His concern, rather, is that neighboring soil will become a theater of war and serve a pro-Shiite's imperialist goals. Hardly surprising.

"What," Davutoglu asked Russia, "is the basis of your presence in Syria?" The Russians could unconvincingly reply to this unconvincing question: "Fighting terror, in general, and ISIL in particular."

But then Davutoglu claims that the Russian military hits more "moderates" (read: merely jihadist killers, not to be mixed with jihadist barbarians who behead people and cheerfully release their videos). Translation: more Islamist targets and fewer ISIL targets.

A legitimate question to ask the Turkish prime minister might be: What is the basis of "moderate" Islamists' presence in Syria -- especially when we know that a clear majority of the "moderate" fighters are not even Syrians. According to Turkish police records, they are mainly Chinese Uighurs, several Europeans and even one from Trinidad and Tobago.

Could the basis be the religious bond? Could Prime Minister Davutoglu have politely reminded the Russians that the "moderate" fighters are Muslim whereas Russia is not? But then, one should ask, using Davutoglu's logic, "What is the basis of the U.S.-led Western coalition's airstrikes in Syria?" Since when are the Americans, British, Germans and French Muslims?

In Turkish thinking, there is just one difference between non-Muslim Russia's presence in Syria and non-Muslim allies' presence: The non-Muslim Russians seriously threaten the advancement of our pro-Sunni sectarian war in the Levant, whereas the non-Muslim allies can be instrumental in favor of it. Hence Turkey's selective objection to some of the non-Muslim players in Syria.

Earlier in 2015, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that he found it difficult to understand what Russia was doing in Syria, since "it does not even border Syria." By that logic, Turkey should not be "doing anything" in the Palestinian territories, Somalia, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan or any of the non-bordering lands into which its neo-Ottoman impulses have pushed it over the past several years. By the same logic, also, Turkey should be objecting to any allied (non-Muslim) intervention in Syria, or to any Qatari or Saudi (non-bordering) intervention in the Syrian theater.


Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said that he found it difficult to understand what Russia was doing in Syria, since "it does not even border Syria." Pictured: Russian President Vladimir Putin (left) with then Prime Minister Erdogan, meeting in Istanbul on December 3, 2012. (Image source: kremlin.ru)

In the unrealistic imperial Turkish psyche, only Turkey and the countries that pursue regional ambitions convergent with Turkey's can have any legitimate right to design or re-design the former Ottoman lands.

Such self-righteous and assertive thinking can hardly comply with international law. The Turks and their imperial ambitions have already been declared unwelcome in Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. Nor would such ambitions be welcomed in any former Ottoman land to Turkey's west. But if, as Turkey's Islamists are programmed to believe, "historical and geographical bonds" give a foreign nation the right to design a polity in another nation, what better justification could the Russians have had for their post-imperial designs in Crimea?

When they have a moment of distraction from their wars against Western values, the West, Israel, Jews or infidels, the Sunni and Shiite Islamists in the Middle East fight subtle-looking (but less subtle than they think) and cunning (but less cunning than they think) wars and proxy wars, and accuse each other of pursuing sectarian policies. Turkey's rulers are no exception.

 

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Thu, 12/31/2015 - 21:56 | 6984254 Ol Man
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And what is the USA doing in Turkey???

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 21:59 | 6984260 Doña K
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Turkey is another international tool of distabilization. Unfortunately, at the end the Turkish people will pay the price by electing psychopaths. 

Change your leaders before is too late.

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:04 | 6984278 COSMOS
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Damn that Putin looks like a World Leader, same thing with the Chinese premier.  The rest of the Western Clowns are exactly that.

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:40 | 6984348 Albertarocks
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I agree completely.  XI Jinping is very impressive and in any of his speeches that I've heard, he comes across as a very skilled statesman.  Putin is more brutally honest, and has a knack for telling the truth in a way that makes it obvious he is being honest.  He can just slay the other leaders but without actually naming names.  Very skilled, both of them.  As you say, all other leaders in the world absolutely pale in comparison to these two.  And as a result, both Putin and Xi Jinping are actually popular and definitely highly respected on a global basis.  Pretty impressive to be sure.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 02:55 | 6984691 Manthong
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“Russia's imperialistic goals”…

Well, that’s an interesting fantasy..

If that ever comes close to reality, Minister Davufooku, then before you can say the Turkish word  for “blitzkrieg”, you will be in a detention camp scrounging for crumbs.. or worse.

 

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 05:53 | 6984788 dogfish
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Erdogan is tall i did not know that pig shit could be piled that high.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 13:43 | 6985553 Fukushima Sam
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Note the vein standing out on Putin's temple.  He is clenching his jaw.  Probably wants to shove a dagger up Erdogan's gut, regrets the passing of simple battles of yore.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 00:45 | 6984578 Abitcoinbrain
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Putin was by far the man of the year 2015!!! No question about it! And Agreed fuck the TURKS.... Cat is out the bag and Turkey will go down quicker then that Russian plane they shot out of the sky... 

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 23:26 | 6984466 BarkingCat
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Fuck the Turks. Byzantium should never ended up in their hands. Fucking Brit cunts' finger prints are on that toilet also.

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 23:39 | 6984489 Nexus789
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Probably less worse than the modern generation of yankie cunts that don't seem to have a clue. 

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 13:27 | 6985506 Volkodav
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Agree......It's Constantinople, not Instanbul..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB5M6hEkU0Y

 

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 11:49 | 6985173 css1971
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Haven't you noticed? You don't get a real choice.

The only solution is direct democracy. Get rid of the representatives.

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:10 | 6984277 Paveway IV
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What is Gog doing in Jerusalem? I thought the Palestinian Jews were suppose to kick their Khazari asses out of there. That's what the bible says. Unless the muslims are right and Jesus isn't coming back until it's time for the final battle at Dabiq, Syria (it's in the Safe Zone - go figure).

Turkey is Magog, so it's no wonder that the U.S. is there in their evil Army of Chaos. Personally, I'm still holding out for the Yazidi peacock angel guy to make his move. Nobody saw that one coming. That's going to be a show-stopper.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 13:16 | 6985472 Volkodav
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Genesis 10 2-5

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 10:50 | 6985028 Zinu
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USA and Turkey are both NATO members what makes them both military allies.

You are welcome.

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:02 | 6984270 nidaar
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erdogan does not speak any language but Turkish. Looking at the picture does Putin understand what he says?

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:06 | 6984284 COSMOS
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He is saying to Putin, please dont break my hand bro.

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:15 | 6984298 Peter Pan
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Erdogan is just saying, "Miaowwww".

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:05 | 6984280 KesselRunin12Parsecs
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To me it looks like Putin is just shaking his hand & saying... "My friend, just scam as many joobux off these criminals for as long as you can, & melt the profits down 2 gold ingots... If u need 2, siphon a few barrels of cheap oil off to the scum sucking Israelis & put a few more of these readily convetible joobux into your pocket on your way to the jew paradise island of your DREAM retirement...

 

I must just have a vivid imagination!

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:20 | 6984309 ZeroAffect
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 I seriously doubt Erdogan will live long enought to rule as Sultan over a global Islamic Caliphate.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 01:38 | 6984640 Tallest Skil
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He was born just in time to see the last vestiges of the Ottoman Empire collapse around him under his watch.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 02:10 | 6984658 KuriousKat
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I have thought about that, but I think in a coup, let us say by the US indebted (enriched)Gulen network would be anathema to Russias interests. Things were going quite well between Russia and Turkey, pipeline and reactorwise..(.much to Washingtons Chagrin) until that jet incident..which made the west not panic but rejoice.....this was armtwisting by the west of Turkey..The west already had enough to kick Turkey out of NATO and permanently derail any future EU aspiration..This was his test to prove his loyalty to the fraternity. If Erdogan disappears..or some misfortune befalls him..guaranteed it won't be because of Putin..but by his own frat brothers.

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:24 | 6984319 Anunnaki
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Vladimir Putin's definition of a Syrian terrorist: any group that takes up arms against the elected President of Syria: Bashar al Assad

Moderate or extremist, to quote our next President "what difference does it make?"

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:52 | 6984379 Omega_Man
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Putin wants freedom, what's wrong with that? freedom from USA shit

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 22:57 | 6984393 Full Nelson
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 02:07 | 6984472 ebworthen
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Isn't Turkey the home of the Ottoman Turks?  The old Islamic empire?  Why are we supporting Islamic empires and Jihadi's again?

Notre Dame a Mosque in 25 years if we don't get our heads out of our asses.

Let us speak of U.S. Imperialism...

Thu, 12/31/2015 - 23:45 | 6984498 WillyGroper
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WTF!

Tylers sold out?

Jeebus...Gatestone Inst.

Who do we constantly bitch about on this board?

Hint: Neocons

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FFS!

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Fri, 01/01/2016 - 00:52 | 6984561 Yen Cross
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Thanks Willy.

 Well done!

 Willy??? You realize it's just one big clusterf*ck.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 01:18 | 6984589 WillyGroper
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YW & Happy New year to all!

Eatchur blackeyed peas tomorrow.  ;)

yup, i realize it.  we all gleen info from each other which is why i appreciate differing perspectives.  Yen, your posts i read religiously as i consider your thanks a compliment.

i've come to the conclusion the VatiCON is at the apex of this misery.  we're constantly distracted by the chosenitesevil. 

a little food for thought as i was completely unaware of this.  irwin schiff, ezra pound et.al.  it's no wonder every institution is captured.  you can find 180 degree differing accounts...i know which one appears credible to me.

http://www.constitution.org/ghansen/conghansen.htm

then there's this...puts the pope's visit in perspective.  these people stop at nothing.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/jesuit_vatican_tyranny.htm

 

 

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 11:04 | 6985059 WillyGroper
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Ha...well now we got us a fine kettle of fish up in hya.

Raymond K. Hessle & my reply to him were removed, along with Lakecity55.

It would appear to hit someones nerve as applies to banking.

Now who's agenda is at work here?

Internet gremlins?

 

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 00:43 | 6984576 WTFUD
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Spot on WG! It's hardcore slime like Gatestone who receive funds from the sociopaths in the CFR/Bilderberg Groups to spout the same pile of diarrhea that MSM do. When the curtain falls down on this i will consider it an honour to line these bastards up against the wall or operate the guillotine.

The same Wahhabi Pig Sodomites will sponsor the above scum.

Obama and Erdogan are two snide mother-fuckers, cut from the same cloth; pure evil.

I'm sure that an article was penned yesterday on behalf of the same group by a US/German dual citizen.

The good thing though is the Tylers allow us an insight into the Enemy. I've added your list of degenerates to my own list of filth.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 09:47 | 6984936 Element
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"... The good thing though is the Tylers allow us an insight into the Enemy. ..."

Seriously? ... "the Tylers allow us"? ... dude, check your forelock-tugging, there's a whole internet out there. You don't actually need a note from this imaginary figment called "the Tylers", to go look for yourself and develop a sense for the assorted concretions of mental-fart stink that won't go away.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 01:18 | 6984618 ebworthen
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"It's a trap!"

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 04:24 | 6984748 gwar5
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Is Jim Fowler the guy from Wild Kingdom? Wow, what a traitor.... he seemed like such a nice guy. Say it ain't so.   ;-)

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 02:43 | 6984681 Joe A
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By the same logic Turkey should also not interfere in Bosnia and Kosovo. Cause it does. Davutoglu said once in Sarajevo that the Ottoman Empire was the best thgin that happened to the Balkans (many if not most people there don't agree to that and have other memories of it) and that that situation should be restored. Erdogan said that "Kosovo is Turkey". Needless to say that many people in the region are rather suspicious of Turkey.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 13:06 | 6985432 Volkodav
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 03:45 | 6984722 KuriousKat
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I'll say it first..If Erdogan is the reincarnation of an Ottoman Emperor..then Vladmir Putin is the Reincarnation of El Cid loved an respected  by both Muslims and Christians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5e1L5ocXUw

 

nuff said..

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 09:52 | 6984943 lakecity55
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I hope he is the reincarnation of Charles the Hammer.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 11:06 | 6985061 WillyGroper
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where'd your other comment go?

seemed pretty benign to me.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 04:14 | 6984744 gwar5
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The Turks throwing in with the hyperviolent Caliphaters was an easy one to spot from years ago.

The idea of the recreation of the Ottoman Turk empire (lasted 500 years, ended in 1918 conclusion of WWI with white people winning the war and carving up MENA for their own designs as winners spoils) never died and was the purpose of the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928. When theocratic leaning Erdogon was elected the near future was foretold that he would throw in with the ISISs of the world.

The man who leads a new caliphate empire will go down in islamic history as the new Suleiman the Magnificent.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 04:55 | 6984763 KuriousKat
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I bet it rattlles  Erdo that Saladin who first won against the crusaders was Kurdish

Saladin (1137 or 1138 – March 1193), known as ?al?? ad-D?n Y?suf ibn Ayy?b in Arabic and Selahedînê Eyûbî in Kurdish, was the first sultan of Egypt and Syria and the founder of their Ayyubid dynasty, although it was named after his father. A Muslim of Kurdish origin,[4][5][6] Saladin led the Muslim opposition to the European Crusaders in the Levant. At the height of his power, his sultanate included Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, Hejaz, Yemen and other parts of North Africa.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 15:31 | 6985887 FORCE
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his country is crumbling into civil war already Turdogan is more of a sadman stuffed!

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 04:31 | 6984752 Manipuflation
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OK. I will go jump on the Russian her.  Yes she does have an ass on her

 

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 12:20 | 6985260 clumsymonkey
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"...According to Turkish police records, they are mainly Chinese Uighurs, several Europeans and even one from Trinidad and Tobago."

China's not on good terms with these guys. Gives them a reason to get into the "war on terror" board game and side against the Turks. Just another dimension to consider when looking at this 5-D chess match.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 13:02 | 6985415 Volkodav
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Chinese soldiers singing Serbian war songs REMOVE KABAB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOECyf3_zTg

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 12:23 | 6985280 abgary1
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Putin is in the middle east to protect the nat. gas monopoly he has over Europe and everything else is a sideshow.

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 15:26 | 6985864 FORCE
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TSAR VLADIMIR vs SULTANAZI TURDOGAN;A Turkey about to get stuffed!

Fri, 01/01/2016 - 16:41 | 6986089 Tarshatha
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"Turkey should not be "doing anything" in the Palestinian territories, Somalia, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan or any of the non-bordering lands into which its neo-Ottoman impulses have pushed it"

 

You forgot Israel and the US, surely you don't believe Erdogan is marching without order from his handlers do you?

 

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