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Is Trump Winning? - Don't Show Hillary (Or Bernie) This Chart
As the fervor of the US Presidential campaign begins to heat up, it appears - despite all the hand-wringing and prosecution of the status quo - that the incumbents are losing... and losing large. According to Bloomberg's Consumer Comfort survey, Republicans are near the most confident relative to Democrats since Obama was re-elected.
While "America's Goebbels" explains what 'you' should think about anyone against political correctness, it appears rage against the machine is 'winning' for now.
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Trump Gona win because he ain't them
Trump gonna win because the country deserves him, just like we deserved the Kenyan guy before him. Sucks to be us.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMDOGKUUkAAEZCf.jpg
F-U political correctness (is that politically correct now).
Only if you Schlong 'em afterwards. As a thank you.
"Trump gonna win because the country deserves him, just like we deserved the Kenyan guy before him. "
Every empire deserves it's Nero.
Fiddle on fuckers .. until the music ends.
Yeah pretty much
@DeadFred, I disagree. Rand is my first choice but Trump is my second. Once thing this country needs is a Nationalist with a big set of brass balls.
Had you been here at ZH the last election cycle in 2012 you would know that voting means nothing when it comes to electing the next US President.
Dream on anyway bro...
If you think it matters you're retarded. The President doesn't have a say in jack shit.
And that is why I'm your best choice.
If you think it doesn't matter you're retarded... and part of the problem.
"Wah, wah, wah, everything is wrong in the world but I'm such a pathetic little whiner that I won't even lift my finger to put an X on a ballet to try to make things better...."
The progressives are an extreme minority, but because they're actually willing to do something (voting and beyond), they are winning.
Sigh... if you thinkk what you're seeing is progressive you're delusional. We're seeing wealth and power becoming more and more concentrated, NOT spread around which is the ideology most associated with progressivism.
That said, who says I'm doing nothing? I'm just not delusional enough to think the power brokers are our firends. Once you realize there is no hope in politics, it leaves you free to do shit that matters.
Prove that there's "no hope in politics". Prove that that outcome is identical whether Romney or Obama, Hillary or Trump, Hitler or Hindenburg is elected. I don't believe that. It doesn't take a whole lot of time or energy to cast a vote, so the argument that you're freeing up time to do something better is nonsense.
There's another matter... your vote is tantamount to consent to be governed. i do not give that consent.
And no i can't prove it... but i believe it. The next president has already been chosen and we do not get a say.
Being governed is something that will happen whether you give consent or not, so don't worry about it!
It's very convenient for you opponents that you believe in defeatism and your own powerlessness. It's not very good for you and for causes you support.
Oh no, it's convenient for our oponents that people like you keep believing in the system so there wuill never be enough of us to do the only thing which will help... which is to destroy saod system.
I'd be happy to destroy the system, but we aren't strong enough to do that yet. In the meantime, we have to do what we can to fight for and grow our cause, including using the system to our advantage and trying to prevent our opponents from using the system to their further advantage.
I'm happy to hear any alternative ideas you have on how to best spend our time and energy, but I think voting for the best candidate is a very quick and easy and important way for us to prevent our worst candidate (people like Hillary) from getting in power and furthering the cause against us.
Well, that depends on the premises you pick, doesn't it? Me, I've become very much convinced of the existence of the deep state. This is the result of over a decade of observation and thought. If the deep stte is a reality then it makes zero diffeence whether Trump or Clinton is in power because the same fucksticks are going to be running the show. I think the people who waste their hate on Obama are crazy; save your vitriol for those who pull his strings.
Better uses of our time? Look... what was Occupy Wall Street really about? those poor naive kids were protesting because tehy can't get the things they need without going through corrupt institutions. Can't Get a car loan or a house without involving big finance, can't eat without giving money to big ag, on and on and on. My contention is this: Wall Street has no need or incentive to change despite a more or less universal agreemnet that it is corrupt, because there is no competition. Until we have alternative ways of getting the things we need, we have no leverage to do anything but shout into the wind. THIS is what all our efforts must be focused towards.
It still makes a difference because if someone like Trump is elected who refuses to comply with the deep state, they would be in a perfect position to expose them and call for, say, a revolution. On the other hand, if someone like Hillary is elected who probably belongs to and fully supports the deep state, the illusion will continue on.
Proof? The rapidity with which TARP was jammed through in spite of 85-95% public disapproval. Notice that any of the shit that benefits the elites never gets debated (Think Patriot Act).
The shit that doesn't matter gets hand-wrung into oblivion just to obfuscate and divide.
Read "War is a Racket" and ask yourself if it's likely anything has changed. My answer is that, if anything, it's gotten worse.
That proves that the government doesn't represent the people, but it doesn't prove that the people have no possible chance of electing a government who does....
JFK and Bobby Kennedy should clear that one up for folks.
The national election is determined by Diebold and the owners of our government. Even now, the GOP is working on making sure Trump does not win the election; planning a brokered convention to put a Bush/Rubio/Cruz in orifice despite what the popular vote says. They pretty much did the same thing to Ron Paul by excluding him from any serious consideration back in 2012. Which made me register, election day, as a Libertarian.
The two main political parties are owned by the same handful of people that are the super-wealthy. Frankly, fuck them: the parties and the oligarchs can rot in hell after the guillotine.
If you have any faith that your vote actually matters at the national and, possibly, state level; you're naive. I now only vote on local issues. For state and national races I write in Scrooge McDuck for every position to prove that I voted, without any question of hanging chads or intent or that my pencil rested on a choice.
If you're right then it seems to me that we should support Trump. In doing so we'll make things more difficult for the owners of the government. If Trump is the forerunner and they shut him down, we'll have proven that the system is rigged. If they don't or can't shut him down, we'll have elected the best candidate. Supporting Trump seems like the best option, doesn't it?
You missed an option: if they don't shut him down that means he IS one of them and they want him there.
Might as well, right?
If you have any faith that your vote actually matters at the national and, possibly, state level; you're naive.
We are, after all, a Republic - not a democracy. The Founding Fathers never intended that the little folks would have a say in electing Presidents - beyond whatever attention the State representatives might have paid to local preferences. Based on the original setup, the state representatives in national elections were free to vote however they saw fit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_%28United_States%29
That so many asshats junked you is a sad commentary. I can't believe that so many here are this desparate for a savior.
I can't believe that so many here are so defeated. They long for a good president (they complain about bad presidents endlessly), but they're so jaded that they won't allow themselves to get involved or to show the slightest support for any candidate over any other candidate. They relinquish all responsibility for selecting the next president, loudly proclaim that nothing matters because the next president will suck either way, and then it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy when the noisy minority that they relinquished their power to elects another bad president.
I don't complain about bad presidents. In fact, i chide people for wasting their hate on the puppets.
It is easier to fool people then to convince them they have been fooled.
I can remember as far back as Walter Cronkite every night saying "that's the way it is" and everyone damn sure as hell believed it.
But guess what? That was all a lie.
But if you were to even hint at the possibility that Sir Walter was maybe a little less than 100% truthful, you would have been drawn and quartered.
Hence the truthfulness of the opening statement.
You would have been brought to the House un-american activities committee and labeled a commie.
Turns out, walter was a commie.
Grandpa called him, sarcastically, America's God. Luckily, the public is not so naive these days.
I wouldn't count on that - as not being one of them. He brags that as a businessman, it was in his interests to get along with both parties. That's enough to convince me that as president he would continue to try to get along with both parties. Which is the same as saying he is just as vile and corrupt.
But what's the alternative? He's no worse than the rest of them, and might - just might - not kill hundreds of thousands more natives of the Middle Eastern countries.
The alternative? Nothing. We are beyond fucked. The deep state is undefeatable at this point in history. If Trump gets elected he will have no choice but to just play along, and you'll never convince me that he doesn't already know that.
Sadly, the whole point of elections to make you believe you have some control over government. Faced with two bad choices, the alternative is not to vote. You can't stop them, but at least you don't have to cooperate with them.
If only we lived in a government-less free market...
Does this chart matter? Nope.
elected my ass, let us get real and admit they are all selected.
You don't have a choice.
You are not in the big club.
They don't give a shit about you.
The proles are not an issue.
We are helpless at the hands of treasonous enemies inside the gates.
2020 bumper sticker - "I got humped by Trump".
Think about it. Has it ever been any different?
I was reading some stuff about the North during the Civil War and Washington DC. This was right after the war before lincoln was killed by a group just like JFK.
Washington and the surrounding area sounded like a police state aka the old USSR or worse. The intrigue, dishonesty, corruption and evil was just as great if not greater.
Lincoln illegally invaded the South and ended up killing 700,000 Americans out of a population of 31 million (and incidentally locked in central control from DC).
He got retribution from people angry about what he had done.
No comparison with JFK situation.
Trump is our best shot at circumventing the Elite's control. They're all in a tizzy over this Trump guy. The total spaz attack by the press shows they are not in control of the situation.
Pay close attention to their attempts to retain control. They will be coming soon.
No, it's just very well orchestrated theater. They know that the more Trump APPEARS to be hated and feared by the press and the washington establishment, the more popularity they can generate for him and the more they can convince the public that this time it is different. If they weren't on his side he wouldn't be getting the coverage.
these folks employ the best shrinks in the world to analyze the public pshychology and the best publicists in the world to determine how to present things. The incredible wealth at their disposal allows them to do this. They are not just running around blindly like headless chickens. Am I ascribing superpowers to them? Maybe. Unlimited funding is a superpower.
Wait so the guy whom the media and establishment on both sides loathe is going to be picked by them?
they don't hate him. They want you to think they do because it will assure you that he is not one of them. Don't buy it. they wouldn't be giving him all this coverage if they hated him.
Compare the amount of coverage of Trump now to Ron Paul when he started winning some polls/primaries. They hated him so much that even though he won in ND (came in second in the primaries to Huckabee, who dropped out soon after) he WAS NOT EVEN ON THE BALLOT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, which is againt the rules here in ND.
This.
The sheep are starting to get worried, and this is going to be a very bizarre election year. Just remember "After the revolution things will be different. Not better, just different"........
The Deep State runs everything in the land of the free. Elections do not matter. Trump will do the bidding of the Deep State if elected.
Elections are held to keep up the appearances of freedom and democracy. The best slave is one who thinks he is free.
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State
There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
"Politics is the entertainment wing of the military-industrial-banking complex"
Trump will do the bidding of the Deep State if elected.
Or else...
They all do.. the question is how much he will ask for this? And if Deep State is ready to give him that?
If not, I guess they just hint that security service may not be always perfect...
Obama sold himself for healthcare just to see it is failing because of the other initially hidden flaws.
He's still our best shot. Let's not discourage him.
If ya had any balls you'd tell us why The Hedge is 'Crazy for Donny'. Anything to do with little fuckface jarad?
Trump will do the bidding of the Deep State if elected.
I would revise that a little bit. He is deep in the Deep State. You can't become a real estate billionare in NYC any other way.
Thank You.
It's a well excepted fact that for decades all construction work done in NYC paid a tax to the mob. A real Estate mogul in NYC and Vegas like Trump is neck deep with the Oligarchs.
He Knows their skeletons and they know his. If he wins the Republican Nomination, and isn't in the tank for Hillary, shit will fly. The aligations could get very nasty, this could be fun to watch.....
Prove it.
easy. they're giving him all the coverage. it's not an accident.
Prove it? You must not understand politics very well. There is no chance in hell that some billionaire can come out of nowhere and run on a party ticket unless he passes the smell test.
This guy has done a fair amount of research on Trump.
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1055
The first time I voted, I voted for Goldwater. Then Nixon. After Reagan, I stopped voting. That was when I saw there was no chance of containing government expansion. To imagine that one man can turn this country around is wildly delusional.
Go ahead. Vote for Trump and find out the hard way.
Will Trump, if elected, have the $$$ and authority to have his own security and protection? Sounds very "third world" to the uninformed.
That said, the uninformed still do not believe they are living in a third world country. Some jail time changes that perspective for some.
I would have a detachment of bodyguards. I don't know if the oligarchy will allow Pres. Trump.
If they do it's because he is one of them. Whch HE IS.
Not sure what any of this article has to do with Trump or the election cycle but someone needs to explain this chart and the whole concept of "Democrat-Republican Consumer Comfort" to my simple mind.
It doesn't mean anything.
Tyler can post a graph of peanut butter viscosity with a headline "Putin Agrees To VP For Trump" and people will cheer, growl, cackle, and dispute the underlying data. Someone will post scripture.
Oh bullshit what do you know?
We love Trump and hate anything else.
But Trump will not save us b/c we are toast.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
i love all these people on tv who tell me trump has no shot against hillary in a head-to-head election. same assholes who told me i had to vote for mccain & romney because they were the only people who had the polling data to beat obama. karl rove still thinks romney won penn, florida, and ohio.
they are SCARED TO DEATH to face trump 1-on-1; they were DYING to have it jeb V her because THEY KNEW (and were right) that he would have LOST to her 51-49; it would have been "ohhh so close" ... horseshit - winning is winning & losing is losing. just like ricky bobby's dad said "either ur first or your last".
once trump gets the nomination, theres no-way he's losing. he's like a dog that is now smelling the bone & once he latches those jaws on, he aint letting go.
for this, i love the fact that he walked her into the trap of the sexism conversation; EVERYTHING trump does has a plan behind it. he SCHLONGED her into pulling bill into the conversation. now, the laundry list of women bill fucked is out there + the fact hillary got a child rapist off when she was a lawyer & laughed about it. oh, and they destroyed monica lewinsky's life. if im trump, i bring her & all the women bubba fucked out on the campaign trail so they can tell their story.
+1 for Reese Bobby quote
Oh and also for equating trump with dog
Siigghhh. Trump and Clinton are working together, dumb ass. They already know which of them is going to be in the white house because the decision has already been made. What, you don't think they actually let us choose the fucking president do you?
"they are SCARED TO DEATH to face trump 1-on-1 ... "
Again, except for Bernie, who's ready to take him on and beats him soundly in every head-to-head poll. Bernie is saying what everyone knows to be true but the others can't or won't say, and unlike any of the others he resonates with the anger of the people! The Dem Party's fix on nominating Hillary is either a death wish or a setup by their billionaire sugar daddies.
Bring our jobs back from overseas, end NAFTA, kick out the illegals !!
Trump/Cruz 2016 !!
How you guys miss on Cruz is astonishing, considering all the evidence put forth showing you who he works for.
None of those things will happen. Besides, what kind of dumb ass sheep wants a job?
I have enjoyed the Trump show as much as anyone else, and if between Trump and the Cackling Cunt I would vote for him (if I voted).
Anyway, if Trump is elected there are going to be a whole bunch of dissapointed folks. (Except for the 0.1%)
He'll go along to get along, and kiss wall street ass like all the rest. Same old sorry shit! Just watch and see.
Not voting? STFU then. Let all bystanders be trampled.
Political delusions are strong in America and even here on ZH.
Hate to break it to you but voting for President doesn't matter (chosen by the Electoral College) and Trump is not going to get elected.
Im sorry, did you say something?
Yes, I did. The Electoral College elects the President and the VP, not the public vote.
Do you have comprehesion issues or are you just fucking stupid?
Simply a product of our edumacation system. Sadly these "voters" will make Idiocracy prophetic.
Very true,,, most of the morons don't know that the electors are not required to vote the "will of the People",,, don't have a clue why there is a electoral college process.
Your downvotes is a perfect example of the intelligence of today's electorate.
you're the idiot being trampled. By voting you give consent to be governed.
No one cares about your non-vote. Your non-vote appears to be nothing but laziness to those you are trying to impress.
Not laziness. A deliberate withholding of consent. If you're voting, you're asking for whatever they do to you. if nobody votes it's true that they still have authority over us but neither side can any longer pretend that authority is not obtained at gunpoint.
Besides, do you really think they let you pick the president? They've already picked the winne the rest is just theater anyway.
Rolling over, giving up and thinking you're better than everyone else. Hmmm. Impressive stand. The invisible Ghandi.
maybe it' time to give up. I firmly believe that the deep state is undefeatable at this point in the game. There is no hope. Big systems are inherently tyrannical and we have no hope of getting away from big systems in the near future.
you don't vote because you are so superior and smarter than all. LMAO.
people like you blow obama daily
Been listening to these your vote counts morons for sixty years. And after each election all you hear is the bitching and whining as things ALWAYS get progressively worse. Like a tape recorder, every four years they rewind and spew the same tired shit. Get out and vote for the Commie or Fascist of your choice. Then Diebold flips the votes to the correct candidate and voila! Another four years of shit and wars. Their jobs, money and pride have been stolen by the political assholes yet they clamor for more. By the time they figure it out (if ever) it'll be too late for us all.
Your non-vote counts even less. Whatever, Dude. Get ass-raped by Uncle Sam. At least you took a stand by doing NOTHING
Dude. WE LOST. We probably lost three or four generations ago because our great grandparents were too dumb to recognize a war when they saw it. The system isn't broken; it works as intended. It cannot be fixed; our only hope is to destroy it. And our odds of doing that are slim going on zero at this point.
Its worth it to give Donald a chance. He's really our only chance to fight back. Anyway, I understand what your saying. But there is a chance that he is not owned, bought and compromised. I get the feeling he can't be blackmailed. He just doesn't give a fuck. Honey Badger, he don't care!
well, obviously I don't agree. If you believe in the reality of the deep state (and I do) then it logically follows that no presidential hopeful has a snowflake's chance in hell of the election if he's not part of the club. I contend that the media would be blacklisting him if he wasn't owned/bought/compromised.
Beyond that, even if Trump is above board and would be allowed to take office and not get assisinated (none of which I believe for a second), an elected official is a chance to fight back only if you believe the sytem itself is savable or even worth saving. I dont.
No one cares about your vote either. The state wins either way. It's all about appearances, to make voters think they have control when they don't. A vote for either candidate is a vote for expansion of the state.
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS IN 2016
STARVE THE BEAST IN 2016
The power-media elite sure seems to be scared of him. He has f'ed them over in real estate deals. Maybe he is the SOB this country needs.
Your female reference is ugly ... you're going to be playing with yoursef all your life with THAT attitude.
No they're not fucking scared of him. They're allowing him to run. He works for them, or at least is a partner. don't kid yourself.
Agreed. Right after his inauguration he is on AF1 off to Israel to bow down to those that really run this country.
Sickening isn't it?
Don't show this to Sanders? This is WHY he's the Dem's only hope! Yet if you check out endorsements on Wikipedia, virtually the entire Democratic establishment (and most of the Labor hierarchy) has piled on to Hillary's banwagon, leaving their rank and file behind like lead lemmings desperately trying to get everyone to go over the cliff.
For a hysterical look at the Clinton propaganda machine at work, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lQVJ8KTiKI&feature=share
bernie just shows how far off the ranch the dems wandered. bernie is a paleodemocrat, advocate for the middle class, the role the dems abandoned because of reagan. the people have been voting republican, regardless of party since then.
on the other hand, trump is reigning in the batshitcrazy wing of the republicans.
this has been the best presidential campaign since 1968 because of what those two are doing to their respective parties and the entire political landscape.
Trump is the Hail Mary play of the American Middle Class. What do they have to lose?
Hail Melania will be the new Hail Mary
Time. Which you are wasting if you think there is hope in politics.
I think we need to elect Mr. Yellen for president. The Fed should have more control over Americans' lives.
They should have direct access to NSA phone and interet communications, more control over world markets and the prices we pay for everything, and control on what laws are passed. They should be granted supreme power, and should immediately get rid of the other branches of government. They would never use this power against humanity. They only care about Main Street after all.
Congrats. The Tyler's used your avatar on a story this week
Trump will win in a Land Slide. Just like Reagan did. Watch and learn. Hillary? Are you fucking kidding me???
yes, if he has been preselected he will win. If not he will lose. The choice has already been made and you are not a part of it.
Trump may be the only Republican that can siphon off enough Democrat votes to beat Hillary (presumptive nominee) as he says what everyone else is thinking but they won't publicly admit in our PC culture.
History question of the day: Which attorney was fired from the Watergate Investigative Comittee for being a leaking douchebag? Answer: Hillary Rob'em Clinton
Trump is pure entertainment. He bitch slaps the GOP around effortlessly.
Hilary is going to take the smackdown of her life in 2016.
2016 - the year that hilary gets dwarf tossed out of politics for good.
Hilary "dwarf tossed" +10
Trump will do exactly what he has been brought in to do - ensure Hillary wins.
He might flounce off at the last minute and run as an independent, but my money is on him copying Blankein/Dimon and announcing he has a "highly-curable" health condition that means he has to pull out of the race at the last minute.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/investing/goldman-sachs-lloyd-blankfein-...
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/jamie-dimon-says-no-evidence-of-c...
I think there may be some truth here. Either he has been chosen to be president or he has been chosen to channel the voters towards the chosen candidate. Either way he's one of them.
On the health matter you seem to be confusing Trump with Clinton.
TRUMP 2016
Fed up with liars, corruption and politicians beholden to corporations, special interest groups, Wall Street, super pacs, and not us the hard working, tax paying citizens.
Fed up with neocon warmongers deeply entrenched in both parties that are pushing US foreign policy and NATO towards WWIII.
Fed up with our dickless moron leaders consistently feeding us climate change bullshit as though any of this will matter during the 20,000 year long nuclear winter caused by the neocon's senseless war with Russia.
Fed up with anything "politically correct" and our spineless, dickless politicians that are too afraid to tell the truth and say what they really feel. Fed up with trillions of our hard earned taxpayer dollars going to countries that hate us. Like hundreds of millions of dollars going to so-called moderate maggots that will "next week" give this money to Al Qaeda or ISIS when they switch alliances. These same politicians giving away our money to maggots don't give a shit about homeless veterans, our crumbling infrastructure and the Social Security fund that will be bankrupt for baby boomers.
Fed up with politicians that feel they are "dynastically entitled" to be president. Bush & Clinton!
Fed up with business as usual in Washington, DC.
Remember the Clinton "Body Count:...
James McDougal
Ron Miller
Mary Mahoney
Vincent Foster
William Colby
Maj. Gen. William Robertson.
Steve Willis Clinton"
Alan G. Whicher
Staff Sgt. Brian Haney Clinton
C. Victor Raiser II
Paul Tully
Ed Willey
Hershell Friday
Larry Lawrence
Luther Parks
Bill Shelton
Kathy Ferguson
Gandy Baugh
Dr. Ronald Rogers
Stanley Huggins
Calvin Walraven
Neil Moody
Johnny Franklin Lawhon .
Eric Butera
Suzanne Coleman
Paula Grober
Judy Gibbs
Paul Wilcher
Jon Parnell
Ron Brown
Barbara Wise
Charles Meissner
Kevin Ives
Keith Coney
Keith McKaskle
Gregory Collins
Paul Olson.
Jeff Rhodes.
James Milan .
Richard Winters
Jordan Kettleson
donald trump may make that list.
Wow ... A trip through the tulips ... down memory lane. We need to keep remembering these poor souls.
Re-elect no one. Clean the whole place out.
Interesting premise. Layoff all government employees (except military) and then hire them back one by one as they are needed. We can call it Startup.gov
LIBERALS ARE FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT.
I'M WATCHING THE TWILIGHT ZONE MARATHON.
Seriously... somebody explain to me why the rabid support for this clown here at ZH. Basically he talks a lot of shit and goes about getting rid of the mexicans and muslims. Seriously, thst's his whole platform: talking tough and kicking out foreigners. Even if you accept the lauughable assumptions that a) the president is chosen by popular vote and b) the president has power, when have we gotten his stance on a single issue that is a cause rather than a symptom?
Some of us old timers here get it bro, but most of them don't waste their time trying to talk to some of these ignorant fucktards. I gave up trying to educate and enlighten people here after Ron Paul was blackballed by the GOP and MSM while leading in the polls going into 2012. They pulled the plug on him and that was that.
I know we will be proven correct a year from now when some other asshole is shoved down our throats. That is notbeing defeatist, but a realist. This fraud ridden and corrupt political system must collapse before real and lasting change can come.
Im not a troll but Trumpand Sanders are both Team Clinton
Trump 's role is to soak up airtime as a buffon so no other R can gain traction. Esp. Bush and Christie. It already workd when Scott Walker dropped out
Sanders' role is to deliver his Proggie sheep back to Hillary when he runs out of cash and time