Turks Warn "We're One Step Away From Civil War" On Erdogan Crackdown

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“When Justice and Development won by a landslide — a result that Mr. Erdogan interpreted as the public’s demand for stability — many had hoped it would lead to the revival of peace talks.”

That’s from The New York Times, who is out on Thursday with a look at Turkey’s escalating civil war. 

To be sure, we haven’t been shy in our assessment of the conflict. We’ve branded the fighting a “civil war” since the summer, when HDP’s strong showing at the ballot box derailed Erdogan’s efforts to transition the country to an executive presidency, a move which would help to strongman consolidate his power.

A subsequent suicide bombing in Suruc prompted the PKK to kill two Turkish policemen the group says were cooperating with Islamic State (which was blamed for the initial attack). That was more than Ankara needed to justify a crackdown on the PKK in the name of the war on “terror.” From there, it was an all-out war between Erdogan and the Kurds, a conflict which quickly transformed cities like Cizre, into warzones.

As al-Jazeera wrote in August, government attacks ”have put Cizre, a long-defiant bastion of pro-Kurdish sentiment, back on the front lines of a conflict that has cost more than 30,000 lives since 1984.” Here’s some useful color from Vice

Cizre has spent years on the fringes of war. The unremarkable-looking town of just over 100,000 lies on the Tigris River, around 30 miles from the tripoint where Turkey meets conflict-ravaged Syria and Iraq, and violence regularly strays over the national boundaries. Now, the cycle of airstrikes and renewed PKK attacks on Turkish troops threaten a return to the three-decade-long struggle between the two sides that claimed more than 40,000 lives. And here, residents feel like they're at the heart of the fight. 



"There's a saying, 'if there's peace, it will start from Cizre, and if there's war, it will start from here as well,'" the town's co-mayor Leyla Imret, 28, told VICE News recently. "And we can say we have a civil war in Turkey." 

Less than a month after those words were written, two Vice journalists were arrest in Southeast Turkey.

Sadly, Erdogan's campaign against the Kurds did not end after AKP put on a better showing in November's manipulated rerun elections. "Instead," The New York Times notes, "the violence has sharply escalated, stoking fears that it might spread."

 WSJ ran a piece last week that documented the transformation of Kurdish cities and towns into warzones. "Since the government declared what it called a 'decisive' campaign to end five months of limited violence between Kurds and government security forces, young Kurdish militants in the cities of Diyarbakir, Cizre, Silopi and Nusaybin have been targeted by Turkish tanks, helicopters, artillery and snipers," The Journal wrote. 

“Things are reaching a critical point, and it’s not clear where things are heading,” one Western official in Turkey warned. Well, according to The Times - whose piece echoes what The Journal wrote last week and what we've been keen on documenting for the better part of six months - "things" are headed towards civil war. 

Earlier this week, Erdogan accused HDP co-head Selahattin Demirtas of treason after the politician suggested over the weekend that the Kurds needed to declare and defend their automony or "live under one man's tyranny." 

“Where do you get the right to talk about establishing a state in east and southeast regions within Turkey’s unitary structure?," Erdogan fumed, on his way to Saudi Arabi to discuss matters of mutual interest in Riyadh. Demirtas may have his parliamentary immunity revoked on the way to prosecution. 

But while HDP politicians are prosecuted, PKK sympathizers are persecuted and the world is now beginning to worry that Southeast Turkey could soon end up looking a lot like Syria. Here's more from The Times:

For Mr. Erdogan, the Kurdish militants in Turkey are now the most important enemy.


“You will be annihilated in those houses, those buildings, those ditches which you have dug,” he said recently, speaking about the militants to a crowd of his supporters in the central Anatolian city of Konya. “Our security forces will continue this fight until it has been completely cleansed and a peaceful atmosphere established.”


Photographs and video clips from the region distributed by local officials show chaos and destruction, with black smoke rising above shelled buildings and neighborhoods.


The town of Cizre, in the southeastern province of Sirnak, has been under a curfew for more than two weeks, with mounting civilian casualties. Last Friday, a 3-month-old baby and her grandfather were killed in crossfire between security forces and militants, according to local medics, who said the family was unable to reach help after its house had been shelled.



Three soldiers were killed by the Kurdistan Workers’ Party in Cizre over the weekend, the Turkish military said in a statement. At least 200 members of Turkey’s security forces have been killed since the conflict resumed.


In the district of Silopi, which borders northern Iraq, residents say they are trapped in a war zone.


“The tanks fire all day and we have nowhere left to hide,” said Nurettin Kurtay, a teacher reached by phone.


“People are dying in their own homes,” he said. “Our schools and our infrastructure has been destroyed. There is no difference between what is going on here and next door in Iraq and Syria.”


And yet this week, Erdogan - with a straight face - accused the Assad government of "mercilessly killing" civilians. But what's going on in Turkey is precisely the same thing that began to unfold in Syria in 2011. That is, certain elements in the country were subjected to a government crackdown when they agitated for change. In both cases, the government (Assad in Syria and Erdogan in Turkey) accused the other side of being "terrorists" and in both cases, civilian casulaties began to pile up. 

Somehow though, Assad is a "butcher" and Erdogan is a democratically elected leader who is merely fighting to eradicate terrorist elements. 

Needless to say, this is completely despicable at this point, especially considering the fact that the PKK's Syrian affiliate (the YPG) are fighting the real "terrorists" (ISIS) across the border. A border which Turkey has made highly porous on purpose in order to allow for the easy flow of Sunni extremists (not to mention Islamic State oil) into and out of Syria.

Perhaps when NATO looks back four years from now on what may by then be a genocide, someone in Washington will have the decency to admit that a disastrous foreign policy combined with the blatant hypocrisy inherent in how the US characterizes Assad's fight against rebels and Erdogan's crackdown on the Kurds ultimately led to the death of half a million people in the Mid-East.

We close with the following quote from Engin Gur, a father of two who came to Istanbul from the southeastern district of Sur, and who spoke to The Times:

“What people here in the west do not realize is that we are one step away from a civil war.”

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Amish Hacker's picture

Instead of kicking Turkey out of NATO, why don't we just dismantle NATO? It's time.

KnuckleDragger-X's picture

NATO is the official fig leaf and whipping boy for American power......

mvsjcl's picture

"...completely cleansed ..."


Only the most wretched of demagogues use terms such as these.

will ling's picture
will ling (not verified) Amish Hacker Dec 31, 2015 2:05 PM

vlad could do that real quick - w/o firin' a shot!

Veriton's picture

The more I look upon the forcible Jewish takeover of the Russian Orthodox Church (through the Communist Revolution), and the guileful Jewish takeover of the Roman Catholic Church (through the Jesuits), the more our current world situation looks like the Jews’ settling of old scores with the Roman Empire. Rome survived its political fall in the form of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, and now the Jews have taken over both. They have exacted their revenge for Masada and the Inquisition, and now they are setting about the task of taking a spoil of all of Rome’s sheep (the Christians) by delivering them two messiahs.

The Jews also have a score to settle with the Muslims, and it supposedly goes back to the days of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Just like they are doing with Rome’s sheep, they will soon take a spoil of all of Ishmael’s children by delivering them an Imam Mahdi who will join hands with the first Jewish/Christian Messiah (probably Putin) to unite all the People of the Book under occulted Jewish control.

Beyond the scores they wish to settle, the Jews also have a long-term goal they wish to accomplish: to take over the world for themselves and their god concept. To achieve this goal, they have instigated wars and played money and debt scams in order to bring the world’s royals under their influence and into their fold. They have thus injected the Davidic Bloodline into royal families the world over. And soon, they will attempt to bring all of us into a New World Order, which is the next stop on a road that leads to a global theocratic dictatorship run by them.

All this being said, should we hate the Jews and seek to destroy them? Of course not. They are Source Consciousness indwelling form just like we are, and you must treat them with the same restraint and mercy with which you’d want to be treated if you were acting out bad programming like they are. When you get down to the brass tacks, the Jews aren’t really doing anything to us anyway; they are fooling us into doing all this to ourselves. So the task before us is one of education, not violence. The end of this nightmare will come only when we become wise to their schemes and decline to participate in them any longer. From

Globalist Prophecy Watch: Update 3 – Is Vladimir Putin the Jewish Messiah? (+ the Jews versus the Romans and Arabs)
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GhostOfDiogenes (not verified) ShorTed Dec 31, 2015 2:34 PM

Oh look the morning hasbarats have been pushed away and now the night shift has started.

Meanwhile, in isisrael, sex slavery of slav's continues.


jews are scum of the universe.

Volkodav's picture

historically this shared with Turks

well kept secret

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Civil war is the new modus operandi of choice for conquering a nation.

Are some people trying to turn Turkey from secular to extremist?  It would seem so.

Instead of the people of Turkey turning on Erdogan, he is trying to give them a different target?

It gets confusing when you understand the Zionists support the Kurdish nationalist movement, because they feel it will create another Jordan, an easily controlled puppet of Zion.

Dark Daze's picture
Dark Daze (not verified) GhostOfDiogenes Dec 31, 2015 4:13 PM

Found one of their cookies on my machine the other day, associated with ZH.

Oracle 911's picture

Tend to agree but:

1st The old testament is Jewish book, which means the Jewish cultural influence in most of the Christian churches is strong. Not to mention, there is an actual internal memo of the Roman catholic church, in which is stated "the Jews may enter into the heaven even without baptism"

2nd Jews may be the "scums of the universe" but which one? These who want be the functioning part of the society (meaning doing manual labor etc.) or these who thinks about themselves as "chosen by God" (no-one of them asking "what for?", in most of the cases they are ended as cannon fodder) or the "master race" (again, "master of what?" "leading where?") .

3rd Another question is, are they useful idiots or pawns in someone else's dirty game?

ZeroAffect's picture

The primary question is, "Are you the useful idiot you appear to be?" 2nd question is, "Are you a pawn in someone else's dirty game?"

Oracle 911's picture

Are you asking me or the Jews?

Ms No's picture

I occasionally wonder if there is some desire for revenge upon the US and France for their revolutions.  In the end it probably doesn't matter though it's about globalism so we are all equally screwed.

Demdere's picture

I do not think we are screwed at all.  All that is needed is for everyone to get off their asses and do what so obviously needs done.

If some credible organization were to organize a "Stop the federal system day" a month or so in advance, would you see your stocks?  And buy flour?

The idea that any central power can keep a system as complex as the US or Europe or even the ME going when the people don't want that is ludicrous.  What percentage of people not paying their Federal taxes next year are too high for prosecution?  What percentage of Fully-Informed Jury potential jurors does there have to be in order to reliably get one person on all such juries?  That is an experiment we should be doing.

We do not want any violence, but is not the only way to hurt them.  Sabotage is the weapon of the meak and friendly.

One of the WWII biographies I read said that a remarkable thing in all of their experiences were the number of soldiers on the fighting front who had had a large artillery shell land very near them, but did not explode.  The prison labor did that with guns to their heads under wartime conditions.  I think that very minor amounts of mis-direction and confusion and chemicals added and minor assists to the world's normal chaos, and our oligarchs could get very poor, very fast.  And the airlines stop running for any of a myriad of reasons, people are very inventive when you buy them drinks for their stories, I find.

We citizens can shut the country down any time enough of us care deeply enough.  Keep checking your neighbor, we will soon be done.

crossroaddemon's picture

You know why it won't happen that way? Because if the trucks stop running people starve, including most rural people. Any solution that interferes with the flow of commerce will never have enough popular support to matter.

ZeroAffect's picture

The day is long past when even a peaceful shutdown / slowdown of commerce would be an effective tactic. Now it would only serve to piss-off the 47% who are fully dependant on their gov-handout and the riots will only result in "Ordo ab Chaos" Order from Chaos.

crossroaddemon's picture

Even  people not on handouts are in deep shit if the grocery shelves aren't stocked

FixItAgainTony's picture

Get ONE state to successfully succeed from the union, and the rest, over time, will be able to follow.  This will non-violently unfederate the empire.  (see Byzantium for ex.)

willwork4food's picture


So the task before us is one of education, not violence.

I enjoy reading your blog for the new insights but I have to disagree with you a this. Education will save us? If that were the case then the 20th century should have been marked by the beginning of the golden age. A man's heart has to change first and yes I am speaking about something supernatural that I understand you won't agree with. Have you ever read Smoking Mirrors? Supernatural does not have to be in a fundy box for it to be true and have great power.

The Wizard's picture

Taking the word Jew and creating a relationship to the people of the OT called Israelites is a misnomer. The word Jew did not appear in the English language until the 16th century. Understand there were two separate captivites of Israel. One of Ephriam/Israelites and the other Judah.

Bloodline has little to do with progeny. DNA is passed through the seed, not blood. The Scriptural text follows the seed line, not bloodline.

Yes, Ishmaelites will be used to create a great deal of confusion:

Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?

14 Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.

15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.

16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.


Out of the seven churches in Revelation, God has favor with two of them that have something in common:

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

theeseer's picture

Actually the 15 million Jews in the world scattered around the world control the other religions by ALIEN MIND CONTROL. Yes my friend I am in your head and as a former comedy writer I actually ghost wrote this for you. I am sorry I won't get credit as here just before year's end you have written (with my help) the most hilarious post of 2015!! May the bagel be with you my friend. A schmear of cream cheese and a bit of lox is the way we plant control devices. Eat up and I will send you more next year.


rbg81's picture

So basically, the Jews (at ~0.2 % of the world's population) run everything.  The other 99.8% of us are just passive victims, eh? Even the ones that appear to lead normal lives spend their nights working on these intricate plans for world domination.  If we just could free ourselves from their constant schemeing, humanity would live at peace and the unicorns could return.

WillyGroper's picture


due to you post, i searched ex-jesuits because of a coupla books i was introduced to last week.  i knew they'd been infiltrated, but what i didn't know was how many had left because of that very thing.  one from my state, obviously suicided.

the books presented me, were from a 95yr ex-J.  prolific writer...written in spanish.  what struck me was the cover of one.   ready for this? ;D  

a spaceship with the star of david on it.

MrNosey's picture
MrNosey (not verified) Amish Hacker Dec 31, 2015 2:29 PM

2016 is the year that the world implodes!

The agenda is clear......


Attitude_Check's picture

Because Russia is still a threat, and when sanity is finally regained in Europe, a full military assault on Turkey and ISIS will sadly be required if things continue.  ISIS has declared war on Europe and if Turkey is supporting then Turkey has also declared war.

KnuckleDragger-X's picture

Welcome to the end of civilization, enjoy your stay........

Soul Glow's picture

Turkey is in the middle of everything - litterally - and they have an incompetent, wait, evil leader.  Here is your tipping point.

Handful of Dust's picture

Used to be a safe friendly [secular] place for tourists. I have sailed with a Swedish friend along that coast and it's incredibly beautiful dotted with small friendly villages.


I suspect alot of that has vanished now. I heard from a German friend that Bodrum is no longer safe for foreigners or locals.

rbg81's picture

The solution is obvious:  Obama needs to go to Turkey and give a speech.  That'll fix it. 

will ling's picture
will ling (not verified) Dec 31, 2015 2:07 PM

why doesn't some turk -bodyguard maybe - step up and just shot the guy?

sun tzu's picture

The same can be said for Mao, Hitler, and Stalin....and Wall Street bankers

will ling's picture
will ling (not verified) sun tzu Dec 31, 2015 5:40 PM

ya....for sure.

Dark Daze's picture
Dark Daze (not verified) will ling Dec 31, 2015 4:11 PM

Actually, I think that's exactly what's going to happen.

ZeroAffect's picture

Russian intelligence has the names and contact information of the Turks who would accept the job and 'take-out the problem'.

Jtrillian's picture

Opression breeds extremism.  The Kurds have been opressed for some time.  You reap what you sow Erdogan.

ZeroAffect's picture

2015, 12-26, Putin Orders Military To Protect Kurds At All Cost As War Of The Century Nears

An old Russian proverb: “If you invite a bear to dance, it’s not you who decides when the dance is over. It’s the bear.”

Bill of Rights's picture

Did the gold market close early? Gold has not moved in 2 hours?



bamawatson's picture

best i can tell from my few weeks at zh is gold never moves; it simply sits at the bottom of some guy's lake

Poundsand's picture

Had enough boating accidents that it's hard to remember which lake it rests at the bottom anymore.  My bad.

FedFunnyMoney's picture

Looks like the conflict is spreading. All out regional war is not far off.

Dark Daze's picture
Dark Daze (not verified) FedFunnyMoney Dec 31, 2015 4:10 PM

All out nuclear war is not far off.

NotApplicable's picture

Expanding the war is the only escape option that Erdogan has left, as it is the only way he can cover his tracks.

Demdere's picture

You see how that dynamic applies here in the US, also?

Our Israeli-Neocons, of 9/11 FF operations guilt, will hang if they lose.  They are losing in both reality, what with Vlad organizing the world's opposition so calmly, cooly and well, and the world's leaders actually leading.  I think they did not reach their political goals in Europe and certainly have not in the US with the last series of false flags.  They can keep 9/11 FF out of the media, but MSM is a smaller and smaller part of the world's information flow, it drops off in double digits every year.

9/11 is seen for what it was by at least a majority of people, tho a majority of people still will not allow it to be discussed around them. That is Trump's sin, he won't deal with 9/11 either.

Anyway, for any Israeli-Neocon interested in an un-stretched neck, more power is the way forward. Given their control of our State Department, CIA, Pentagon, and many other agencies and commissions and schools and the many institutions that are the penumbra of government, how can they do that?

Police repression continues, but too many people have smart-enough phones and too many people are distrustful of police and so stop to record events whenever possiible.

Minority against minority is optimal, probably blacks vs mexican in LA or blacks vs Peurto Rican in NYC. FBI and half a dozen others certainly have new versions of COINTELPRO and MSM is COINTELPRO on a new scale, their success with anti-Islam propaganda must be encouraging.


Anunnaki's picture

The Sultan of Schwing just another of Obama's many dictators and neo fascists

Maybe Adolph Merkel needs another million "Mountain Turks" once Kurdistan getsthe Yemen treatment

Jack Burton's picture

The American CIA has a long and proven history of the following.

setting up, training, supplying and funding death squads. Everywherre from Argentina, Central America, Vietnam, Iraq, Ukraine and others.

Funding and supporting Dictators willing to follow Washington's orders. Too many examples to mention.

Organizing, funding, arming, training and directing radical Islamic Terrorists to further US policy goals. Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria, Iraq, Libya and others.

Turkey has always been a quasi CIA state, much of their actions are taken in cordination with the CIA.

NoWayJose's picture

If the Turk opposition needs guns to fight the civil war, I am sure that the ISIS Gun Shop is open and well supplied with weapons and ammo provided by Uncle Sam! Just need to check them over to make sure they were not damaged in the CIA airdrops!