"New Research Suggests [Fluoridating Water] Is Dramatically Misguided"

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Preface: One of our pet peeves is when erroneous groupthink persists even in the face of contradictory evidence.

As shown below, water fluoridation is based on very shaky science.  And yet – despite the science – the big dental associations in the U.S. and other countries continue to push it as safe and effective.

The Guardian reported last week:

Health experts are calling for a moratorium on water fluoridation, claiming that the benefits of such schemes, as opposed to those of topical fluoride (directly applied to the teeth), are unproved.

 

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Stephen Peckham, director and professor of health policy at Kent University’s centre for health service studies, said: “Water fluoridation was implemented before statistics had been compiled on its safety or effectiveness. It was the only cannon shot they had in their armoury. It gets rolled out, becomes – in England – policy and then you look for evidence to support it.

 

“The fat debate [whereby fat used to be the big enemy in food before that was revised] is an example of evidence getting built up to support a theory. It’s a dental health policy that’s got up a head of steam and people have been reluctant to see it criticised.

 

You can’t really confidently say that water fluoridation is either safe or effective.

Newsweek reported last June:

You might think, then, that fluoridated water’s efficacy as a cavity preventer would be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But new research suggests that assumption is dramatically misguided; while using fluoridated toothpaste has been proven to be good for oral health, consuming fluoridated water may have no positive impact.

 

The Cochrane Collaboration, a group of doctors and researchers known for their comprehensive reviews—which are widely regarded as the gold standard of scientific rigor in assessing effectiveness of public health policies—recently set out to find out if fluoridation reduces cavities. They reviewed every study done on fluoridation that they could find, and then winnowed down the collection to only the most comprehensive, well-designed and reliable papers. Then they analyzed these studies’ results, and published their conclusion in a review earlier this month.

 

The review identified only three studies since 1975—of sufficient quality to be included—that addressed the effectiveness of fluoridation on tooth decay in the population at large. These papers determined that fluoridation does not reduce cavities to a statistically significant degree in permanent teeth, says study co-author Anne-Marie Glenny, a health science researcher at Manchester University in the United Kingdom. The authors found only seven other studies worthy of inclusion dating prior to 1975.

 

The authors also found only two studies since 1975 that looked at the effectiveness of reducing cavities in baby teeth, and found fluoridation to have no statistically significant impact here, either.

 

The scientists also found “insufficient evidence” that fluoridation reduces tooth decay in adults (children excluded).

 

“From the review, we’re unable to determine whether water fluoridation has an impact on caries levels in adults,” Glenny says. (“Tooth decay,” “cavities” and “caries” all mean the same thing: breakdown of enamel by mouth-dwelling microbes.)

 

“Frankly, this is pretty shocking,” says Thomas Zoeller, a scientist at UMass-Amherst uninvolved in the work. “This study does not support the use of fluoride in drinking water.” Trevor Sheldon concurred. Sheldon is the dean of the Hull York Medical School in the United Kingdom who led the advisory board that conducted systematic review of water fluoridation in 2000, that came to similar conclusions as the Cochrane review. The lack of good evidence of effectiveness has shocked him. “I had assumed because of everything I’d heard that water fluoridation reduces cavities but I was completely amazed by the lack of evidence,” he says. “My prior view was completely reversed.”

 

“There’s really hardly any evidence” the practice works, Sheldon adds. “And if anything there may be some evidence the other way.” One 2001 study covered in the Cochrane review of two neighboring British Columbia communities found that when fluoridation was stopped in one city, cavity prevalence actually went down slightly amongst schoolchildren, while cavity rates in the fluoridated community remained stable.

 

Overall the review suggests that stopping fluoridation would be unlikely to increase the risk of tooth decay, says Kathleen Thiessen, a senior scientist at the Oak Ridge Center for Risk Analysis, which does human health risk assessments of environmental contaminants.

 

“The sad story is that very little has been done in recent years to ensure that fluoridation is still needed [or] to ensure that adverse effects do not happen,” says Dr. Philippe Grandjean, an environmental health researcher and physician at Harvard University.

 

The scientists also couldn’t find enough evidence to support the oft-repeated notion that fluoridation reduces dental health disparities among different socioeconomic groups, which the CDC and others use as a rationale for fluoridating water.

 

“The fact that there is insufficient information to determine whether fluoridation reduces social inequalities in dental health is troublesome given that this is often cited as a reason for fluoridating water,” say Christine Till and Ashley Malin, researchers at Toronto’s York University.

 

Studies that attest to the effectiveness of fluoridation were generally done before the widespread usage of fluoride-containing dental products like rinses and toothpastes in the 1970s and later, according to the recent Cochrane study. So while it may have once made sense to add fluoride to water, it no longer appears to be necessary or useful, Thiessen says.

 

It has also become clear in the last 15 years that fluoride primarily acts topically, according to the CDC. It reacts with the surface of the tooth enamel, making it more resistant to acids excreted by bacteria. Thus, there’s no good reason to swallow fluoride and subject every tissue of your body to it, Thiessen says.

 

Another 2009 review by the Cochrane group clearly shows that fluoride toothpaste prevents cavities, serving as a useful counterpoint to fluoridation’s uncertain benefits.

 

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“I couldn’t believe the low quality of the research” on fluoridation, Sheldon says.

 

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Cavity rates have declined by similar amounts in countries with and without fluoridation.

 

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Sheldon says that if fluoridation were to be submitted anew for approval today, “nobody would even think about it” due to the shoddy evidence of effectiveness and obvious downside of fluorosis.

 

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The CDC and others “are somehow suspending disbelief,” Sheldon says. They are “all in the mindset that this is a really good thing, and just not accepting that they might be wrong.” Sheldon and others suggest pro-fluoridation beliefs are entrenched and will not easily change, despite the poor data quality and lack of evidence from the past 40 years.

Indeed, an overwhelming number of scientific studies conclude that cavity levels are falling worldwide … even in countries which don’t fluoridate water.

World Health Organization Data (2004)
Tooth Decay Trends (12 year olds) in Fluoridated vs. Unfluoridated Countries:

who dmft An Overwhelming Number of Scientific Studies Conclude That Cavity Levels are Falling Worldwide ... Even In Countries Which Dont Fluoridate Water

And the scientific literature shows that – when fluoridation of water supplies is stopped – cavities do not increase (but may in some cases actually decrease). See this, this, this, this, this and this.

A couple of weeks ago, the British Medical Journal reported that Americans lose a lot more of their teeth than the Brits … even though the U.S. fluoridates a lot more of its water than the UK.

Fluoridating may water also cause reduction in IQ, depression and a variety of other illnesses.

The Guardian notes:

Critics cite studies claiming to have identified a number of possible negative associations of fluoridation, including bone cancer in boys, bladder cancer, hypothyroidism, hip fractures and lower IQ in children.

Newsweek reports:

A growing number of studies have suggested … that the chemical may present a number of health risks, for example interfering with the endocrine system and increasing the risk of impaired brain function; two studies in the last few months, for example, have linked fluoridation to ADHD and underactive thyroid.

But how did the myth that water fluoridation is effective and safe get started in the first place?

The government allegedly ordered Manhattan Project scientists to whitewash the toxicity of flouride (flouride is a byproduct in the production of weapons-grade plutonium and uranium). As Project Censored noted in 1999:

Recently declassified government documents have shed new light on the decades-old debate over the fluoridation of drinking water, and have added to a growing body of scientific evidence concerning the health effects of fluoride. Much of the original evidence about fluoride, which suggested it was safe for human consumption in low doses, was actually generated by “Manhattan Project” scientists in the 1940s. As it turns out, these officials were ordered by government powers to provide information that would be “useful in litigation” and that would obfuscate its improper handling and disposal. The once top-secret documents, say the authors, reveal that vast quantities of fluoride, one of the most toxic substances known, were required for the production of weapons-grade plutonium and uranium. As a result, fluoride soon became the leading health hazard to bomb program workers and surrounding communities.

 

Studies commissioned after chemical mishaps by the medical division of the “Manhattan Project” document highly controversial findings. For instance, toxic accidents in the vicinity of fluoride-producing facilities like the one near Lower Penns Neck, New Jersey, left crops poisoned or blighted, and humans and livestock sick. Symptoms noted in the findings included extreme joint stiffness, uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea, severe headaches, and death. These and other facts from the secret documents directly contradict the findings concurrently published in scientific journals which praised the positive effects of fluoride.

 

Regional environmental fluoride releases in the northeast United States also resulted in several legal suits against the government by farmers after the end of World War II, according to Griffiths and Bryson. Military and public health officials feared legal victories would snowball, opening the door to further suits which might have kept the bomb program from continuing to use fluoride. With the Cold War underway, the New Jersey lawsuits proved to be a roadblock to America’s already full-scale production of atomic weapons. Officials were subsequently ordered to protect the interests of the government.

 

After the war, … the dissemination of misinformation continued.

And Edward Bernays – the father of modern propaganda techniques – may have been the mastermind behind the “safe and effective” myth.

Austrian economist Murray Rothbard wrote in 1993:

The mobilization, the national clamor for fluoridation, and the stamping of opponents with the right-wing kook image, was all generated by the public relations man hired by Oscar Ewing to direct the drive. [Ewing was the chief counsel for Alcoa aluminum company, and fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.] For Ewing hired none other than Edward L. Bernays, the man with the dubious honor of being called the “father of public relations.” Bernays, the nephew of Sigmund Freud, was called “The Original Spin Doctor” in an admiring article in the Washington Post on the occasion of the old manipulator’s 100th birthday in late 1991.

 

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As a retrospective scientific article pointed out about the fluoridation movement, one of its widely distributed dossiers listed opponents of fluoridation “in alphabetical order reputable scientists, convicted felons, food faddists, scientific organizations, and the Ku Klux Klan.” (Bette Hileman, “Fluoridation of Water,” Chemical and Engineering News 66 [August 1, 1988], p. 37; quoted in Griffiths, p. 63) In his 1928 book Propaganda, Bernays laid bare the devices he would use: Speaking of the “mechanism which controls the public mind,” which people like himself could manipulate, Bernays added that “Those who manipulate the unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country…our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of…” And the process of manipulating leaders of groups, “either with or without their conscious cooperation,” will “automatically influence” the members of such groups.

 

In describing his practices as PR man for Beech-Nut Bacon, Bernays tells how he would suggest to physicians to say publicly that “it is wholesome to eat bacon.” For, Bernays added, he “knows as a mathematical certainty that large numbers of persons will follow the advice of their doctors because he (the PR man) understands the psychological relationship of dependence of men on their physicians.” (Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda [New York: Liveright, 1928], pp. 9, 18, 49, 53. Quoted in Griffiths, p.63) Add “dentists” to the equation, and substitute “fluoride” for “bacon,” and we have the essence of the Bernays propaganda campaign.

 

Before the Bernays campaign, fluoride was largely known in the public mind as the chief ingredient of bug and rat poison; after the campaign, it was widely hailed as a safe provider of healthy teeth and gleaming smiles.

And award-winning BBC producer and investigative journalist Christopher Bryson writes:

[Bernays] operated from the same office building, One Wall Street, where the Alcoa lawyer Oscar Ewing had also worked. In 1950 Ewing had been the top government official to sign off on the endorsement of water fluoridation, as Federal Security Administrator in charge of the US Public Health Service.

 

“Do you recall working with Oscar Ewing on fluoridation?” I asked Bernays.

 

“Yes,” he replied.

 

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Bernays’s personal papers detail his involvement in one of the nation’s earliest and biggest water fluoridation battles ….

Bryson goes on for pages describing how Bernays master-minded the campaign to convince Americans to accept water fluoridation.

And watch this brief interview:

(The whole 25-minute interview is a must-watch.)

Even Chemical and Engineering News noted in 1999:

According to Edward Groth III, an associate technical director of Consumers Union who wrote his Ph.D. thesis in biology on the fluoridation controversy in 1973, pro- and antifluoridationists approach the issue from completely different perspectives. “Proponents see it as a simple public health measure, effective and safe, which they need to ‘sell’ to the public, almost like a box of soap.

In other words, the U.S. government apparently hired the leading propagandist to create the myth that fluoride is safe and effective in order to protect its bomb-making program.

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Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:16 | 6990548 Greenie
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My dad was a dentist starting out in 1952. He said that in the pre-fluoride days, he would see 6 year old kids with newly erupted 1st molars (the big chewing molars) that were so bombed out from decay that they would need to see an oral surgeon to have all four removed. That amount of damage could occur within a matter of months. When fluoride was introduced, everything changed. The amount of decay decreased dramatically.

I am a pediatric dentist. Most kids today have never had a cavity. They don't even know what a "shot in the mouth" or "novocaine" refers to. The  kids now start to get decay when they get into the mid to late teens due to soda and candy. Soda especially, or "tooth toxin" as I refer to it as.

If you think fluoride's effectiveness is a bunch of bunk, go visit a nursing home and see the dental status of the pre-fluoride generation.

BTW, higher levels of fluoride in water tables can and does occur naturally in certain areas of the country. Fluoride's effectiveness was first discovered by a Colorado dentist when he found that his patients had low levels of dental decay. The people in the community were not suffering from high levels of cancer as the anti-fluoridationists claim. And the level of fluoride in some parts of the country like Colorado is 16 part per million, not the 0.7 ppm that is the standard level.

This anti-fluoridation argument is very similar to the anti-vaccine argument. Because the memories of past former diseases that once ravaged the population are gone (i.e., smallpox), we find that people who have benefitted from these advances  now carry to torch to take away those same advances from future generations. It's interesting that history always has a way of repeating itself.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 19:19 | 6992543 Milton Keynes
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http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/oralhealth/Topics/Fluoride/TheStoryofFluoridati...

 

This was a combination of insights into the teeth of children in Arkansas, Colorado and idaho.

 

While perhaps the rise of flouride toothpaste and flouride rinses may make flouridated water less useful the scientific value of floridated water is very high.

 

 

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 18:26 | 6992287 Farqued Up
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How many great apes lose their teeth, other primates? Maybe you dentists need to lobby for brushing with sodium bicarbonate since it's impossible to overwhelm the sugar lobby.

Besides all of the debate, maybe Mother Nature is slowly but surely eliminating teeth from humans. The canines are mostly already deemphasized, see great ape smiles, and the bicuspids are different than monkeys.

I only know one fact, the toothbrush was invented at the University of Alabama or we would call it a teethbrush.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 17:06 | 6991982 Billy the Poet
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BTW, higher levels of fluoride in water tables can and does occur naturally in certain areas of the country.

 

Are you referring to calcium fluoride or sodium fluoride?

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 15:59 | 6991708 Miffed Microbio...
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Small Pox was erraticated because there was no insect vector contributing to its spread. Actually very draconian methods were done to achieve this. Those infected we hunted down and isolated even in very remote villages. Yes, vaccination was helpful but this was the main reason this disease was eliminated. I routinely get people with type A flu that have been vaccinated. Good luck trying to eradicate influenza though vaccination. To only achieve this would be a complete eradication of humans and animals that harbor this RNA virus.

Interesting to note many of these scourges you cite are making quite a comeback. This is occurring in the vaccinated population as well. Guess what? Being infected by wild type virus/ bacteria is far more immunologically protective than a manufactured vaccine in the long term. I purposely made a play date with a friend's kids who had chicken pox rather than exposing my children to a shot. I'm a bad mother and a terrorist.

Miffed

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 14:18 | 6991337 logically possible
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Greenie,

What is the possibility that the bad teeth found in people back fifty plus years ago was due to poor dental hygeine? What is the possibility that back then, kids had more parents that gave them acidic fruit juice or even milk and would put them to bed with the bottle, to fall asleep. Education in dental hygeine has to be playing a large part since the fifties. In reading the article and the comments, I see many variables that would have to be factored in before coming to one conclusion, that flouride in drinking water is good. I read more bad side effects than good. My personal choice is to flouridate my teeth, when I brush my teeth, not my entire body when I shower or get a glass of water to drink. Most toothpastes have the ingredients listed, one being Sodium Flouride, then the warning label, DO NOT SWALLOW, call poison control if ingested.  I would rather make my own choice and not be forced flouridated.

I didn't down vote you, opposition makes people aware of both sides of the issue. 

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 19:21 | 6992554 Milton Keynes
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because the children of Colorado springs didn't eat a lot differently then the kids in Denver.

The phenomena of brown stain and the dramatic difference in dental caries was striking.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 12:45 | 6990906 BendGuyhere
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I live in a city WITHOUT flouridated water. LOTS of bright shiny smiles everywhere. No high rate of dental caries. FUCK OFF

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 12:32 | 6990844 Ckierst1
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The WHO graph plainly shows a general decline across both relevant populations.  There has been a considerable amount of information released regarding the health impacts of diets high in carbs (including sugar), particularly as regards diabetes.  I think people are more health and fitness conscious now than the old timers. They probably are more conscientious about their dental health, including regular checkups and cleanings and brushing/flossing/waterpicking.  The old folks also smoked more.

I am not a great fan of the public health mass medication programs.  There have been a fair number of "whistleblowers", even formerly from the pro-fluoridation camp, who have retrospective doubts about the efficacy of water fluoridation, even amongst the pioneers in the water fluoridation movement.  There have even been dissenters in the EPA, political football that it is!  It would be one thing if the pro-fluoride advocates would stay with the private election to use topical fluoride, but, no, they push the contamination of the potable water supply to treat everyone, regardless of vulnerability to the side effects of fluoridation.

You cast aspersions upon those who are suspicious of mass vaccination programs.  Well, OK, vaccinations helped considerably in curbing the spread of infectious diseases.  Even so, these vaccination programs are moving against other infectious diseases and, as such, they may be ineffectively formulated for a particular strain (flu?) and include preservatives containing mercury in their formulae that may actually be harmful (autism?).  Do no harm!

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 12:04 | 6990612 jomama
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As a medical doctor it's very irresponsible to assert that correlation implies causation. How does fluoride work? It coats your teeth. Meaning, that coat gets washed away or rubbed away - into your digestive system. There is little to no scientific evidence that fluoride prevents tooth decay.

As for the 'anti-vaccination argument'. I'll just leave this here. Do us all a favor and do some homework. There is a massive body of evidence you're trying to pretend doesn't exist.

As was the case for disease, so was the way for oral health. Improved sanitization methods and practices deserve the credit, not chemicals and pharmacueticals.

Where do you practice? I want to make sure I keep my children as far away from you as possible. You may be in favor of causing brain damage to kids on a massive scale, fine. But stay the fuck away from mine.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 13:02 | 6990985 Greenie
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As was the case for disease, so was the way for oral health. Improved sanitization methods and practices deserve the credit, not chemicals and pharmacueticals

Jomama, surely you are joking if you are implying that the children of today's generation brush better than the previous generations and that's why kids have fewer cavities now.  And floss daily like they are told.  Because I would have to say, on a general scale, quite the opposite is true.

Flouride incorporates into the enamel during the tooth's formative period. That's why both systemic and topical applications are important. While the outer layer of enamel is "fluoride-rich" from topical application, increased amounts of fluoride are incorporated into the enamel at all levels due to early systemic exposure. Your simplistic link you provided is kindergarten level and might be useful for a youngster to read.

I'm guessing you are of the generation that benefitted from fluoride in municipal water or from toothpaste. You need to sit with my 90 year old uncle as he tries to gum his meals. Due to tooth loss, his alveolar ridges are atrophied such that implants are not possible without extensive bone grafting (a procedure that would surely kill him). Dentures no longer fit. He badly wants to eat a nice thick steak.    

Conspiracy theorists like you who argue against fluoride have a common element...they are not in the trenches serving real people with real needs.  And using twisted logic like yours, that disqualifies me from being objective because I am part of the "conspiracy".

I figured right when I thought this article would attract a bunch of fools. As Mark Twain said, "never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference"'     

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 13:24 | 6991092 jomama
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Oh you're so high and mighty coming down to a fool's level to debate a topic. Thanks for allowing us to bask in your presence! What a fucking philathropist.

I'm not going to waste my time with a search for links that you perform yourself regarding the limited scientifically demonstated benefits of flouridation in water.

The reality is that flouride toxicity is a thing. Tooth decay rates have benefited from better oral hygeine instruments in a large and not realistaclly measureable way. I have been flouride free for over fifteen years - I'm forty - and I've only had one cavity in that span of time - on a tooth that a dentist fucked up a filling on in my early twenties.

I notice you didn't touch my vaccine link with a ten foot pole. Don't want to be perceived as a fool, above all else!

 

 

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 13:44 | 6991177 Greenie
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You have not been fluoride free for 15 years. Fluoride is everywhere, in the drinking water, in most bottled water, in soda, in that glass of water served to you at the restaurant, and on and on. You confirmed my suspicion that you grew on on fluoridated water (due to your age). One cavity in 15 years. Yes, dam that fluoride, and it must suck to have good oral health.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 14:39 | 6991393 jomama
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Your folly is simply believing - with very limited information - that fluoride is the sole reason for my good oral health. You're wrong.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 20:13 | 6992812 dogbreath
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I have good teeth because I was breast fed.  My mom lost her teeth from the possible calcium loss.   My adult cavities were the result of overly agressive mapping of my mouth by dental hygenists.  Dumb bitch pushes my head through the table with her titanium probe.

 

one tooth I lost due to opening beer bottles in my late teens

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:37 | 6990607 SMC
Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:13 | 6990543 TVP
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First recorded case of water fluoridation was during WWII.  Nazis put fluoride in the water of concentration camp prisoners.  After a while, it was found to make the prisoners more apathetic and less likely to revolt.  

Injections were also experimented with at this time (get your flu shot, sheeple!).  It turns out, putting just a little bit of poison into people's bodies can dumb them down and turn them into perfect little wage slaves.  And as a bonus, some will die, and many others will get sick.  And they won't believe what's happening, even if it's explained to them, because they've been dumbed down.

The more people I talk to these days, the more I tend to agree with the eugenicist's methods.  People who get their flu shot every year, drink their fluoride, think GMOs are safe, give their kids 50 shots by age two....we can't have too much sympathy for what happens to them.   

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 18:06 | 6992209 Farqued Up
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I guess I'm dead any day now, my shot record in the Army in the 1960s looked like an instruction manual for my HP-12C.

I wonder if the shot ingredients were more benign back then, I.e., maybe they left out the long term preservatives since the vaccines were brewed for immediate consumption.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:57 | 6990679 Teknopagan
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Sorry.

 

The bolsheviks were the first to introduce flouride in the water for the Gulag camp system

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:08 | 6990528 _SILENCER
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Fluoride free toothpaste. CHECK.

Berkey Water Filter with fluoride removal cylinders. CHECK.

Always a good idea to toss out your microwave oven as well.

 

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 10:38 | 6990464 Reaper
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"Everything the government says is a lie," or its agents, or its doctors, or its scientists. Nietzsche expanded. Government is a cabal of deceivers.

Appeal to authority or ad hominem attack or consensus are logical diversions. If a thousand doctors or dentists say a falsehood, it's still a falsehood. Power/money/cronyism always corrupt. Trust is an opiate suppressing doubt.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 17:00 | 6991960 Billy the Poet
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Four out of five dentists recommend Trident for their patients who chew gum.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 10:08 | 6990391 proLiberty
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Another reason to get a Reverse Osmosis unit for your home.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 10:07 | 6990388 spanish inquisition
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What's the big deal? It's not like it's a neurotoxin. 

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 15:45 | 6991641 spanish inquisition
Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:16 | 6990551 TVP
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Even if it were a neurotoxin, doesn't matter, cuz I say it's only a little bit and isn't to the level it can be harmful.

How do I know this?  Because government loves us.  And because I always get my flu shot.  

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 10:04 | 6990383 SMC
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Another case of alleged "settled science" in the USSA… lol.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 09:54 | 6990359 commie
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Almost all counties in Texas have naturally occuring fluoride in their drinking water. as I recall it was said that people living in the counties had low incidence of cavaties. Yes, I was alive in 1950

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 16:57 | 6990883 Billy the Poet
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Almost all counties in Texas have naturally occuring fluoride in their drinking water. as I recall it was said that people living in the counties had low incidence of cavaties. Yes, I was alive in 1950

 

That's likely calcium fluoride which has been long known to have benefits for dental health. But that's not what they put in the water. Sodium fluoride and other fluoridation additives are industrial waste products.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 12:04 | 6990709 Rabbi Chaim Cohen
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Yeah, I'd have to ask whether all fluorides are created equal as well? Does anyone know whether naturally fluoridated water tends to contain the same compound(s) as the artificially fluoridated water does?

I do find it conspicuous that at one point we used fluorine as rat poison, but then once there was a huge market for aluminum, we saw a massive push to find a widespread use for the major waste product from that industry for better or worse.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 17:58 | 6992173 Farqued Up
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A fluoride ion is the same everywhere. Possible be different if insoluble, but what good is it then? Probably worthless, but I don't know.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:27 | 6990578 Ckierst1
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Yeah, that's right.  On the other hand, over thirty years ago, I noticed that many native Texans from the affected counties also had dental fluorosis evident.  My own daughter was an infant/toddler during that time and she had some minor evidence of onset of dental fluorosis.  We lived in West Texas at the time and were drawing well water from the Ogallala Formation aquifer.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:09 | 6990532 Crush the cube
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Yeah, and more and more counties are having it show up in their water tables.  The stuff doesn't just disappear once it goes down the drain.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 09:04 | 6990276 The best Sun
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Fluoride.
As effective as the flu vaccines.
Or your money back.
Effective for what though?

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 10:47 | 6990483 justdues
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Effective for what ? Shutting down the pineal gland ?

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 09:53 | 6990355 logicalman
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NOTHING works better ;-)

Sat, 01/02/2016 - 22:22 | 6989749 Goldilocks
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The Fluoride Conspiracy
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=14949

"Tell a lie loud enough and long enough and people will believe it."
- Adolf Hitler

"Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century."
- Robert Carlton, Ph.D, former EPA scientist, 1992

The history of forcing fluoride on humans through the fluoridation of drinking water is wrought with lies, greed and deception. Governments that add fluoride to drinking water supplies insist that it is safe, beneficial and necessary, however, scientific evidence shows that fluoride is not safe to ingest and areas that fluoridate their drinking water supplies have higher rates of cavities, cancer, dental fluorosis, osteoporosis and other health problems. Because of the push from the aluminum industry, pharmaceutical companies and weapons manufacturers, fluoride continues to be added to water supplies all over North America and due to recent legal actions against water companies that fluoridate drinking water supplies, precedent has been set that will make it impossible for suits to be filed against water suppliers that fluoridate. There is a growing resistance against adding toxic fluoride to our water supplies, but unfortunately, because fluoride has become "the lifeblood of the modern industrial economy"(Bryson 2004), there is too much money at stake for those who endorse water fluoridation . The lies of the benefits of water fluoridation will continue to be fed to the public, not to encourage health benefits to a large number of people, but to profit the military-industrial complex.

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Sun, 01/03/2016 - 10:47 | 6990309 RagnarRedux
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Yep, in that quote, Adolf Hitler was describing the Modus Operandi of collective internationalist Jewry. They have no problem "poisoning the well", and they are ready to take it up a notch from there, like their historical Bolshevik brethren. Gulags for all.

“Even the Best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

–“Tob shebbe goyyim harog” from the Jewish Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10 (modern-day versions now substitute “heathens,” go to link for explanation).

http://talmudical.blogspot.com/

Sat, 01/02/2016 - 20:20 | 6989481 janus
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thank you for this article, GW

Sat, 01/02/2016 - 18:35 | 6989239 Nobody For President
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Negative Kermit - don't drink it, but do brush you teeth with it.

Put it where it is needed.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 10:53 | 6990501 justdues
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It,s brushing your teeth that keeps them healthy not the fluoride in toothpaste, so use fluoride free toothpaste ! Tea tree oil in toothpaste does the same anti-bacterial work without the toxicity of fluoride. Many brands available in healthfood stores.

Sat, 01/02/2016 - 15:21 | 6988598 Kermit Skynyrd
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Don't drink flouride or brush your teeth with it. Info about the flouride scam has been around the years.  It's day 1 stuff  

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 09:13 | 6990284 Winston Churchill
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Much simpler.

Don't drink water because fish fuck in it.

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 11:19 | 6990557 MisterMousePotato
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"I don't drink water because fish shit in it."

-WC Fields (R.I.P.)

Sun, 01/03/2016 - 13:25 | 6991097 Stroke
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Don't mix water with your wiskey

"They put water in the wiskey at the factory"

W.C. Fields

Mon, 01/04/2016 - 23:11 | 6998399 SixIsNinE
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FLUORIDE : Poison On Tap    - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqstwfKGzPI

this is an excellent doc - Element,  would you change your pro-fluoridation stance after viewing it?

Wed, 01/06/2016 - 03:55 | 7003595 Element
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I'm not 'pro' anything fool, I reported the disinterested objective scientific experimental observational fact and mechanisms used, that demonstrate conclusively that fluoride strengthens teeth.

I'm assuming English is your first language here, I have my doubts.

 

 

just occurred to me ... maybe it's the fluoride after all.  lol

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