Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"
In the latest development in the ongoing saga of Ammon Bundy's seizure of a Federal wildlife reuge office in Oregon, the members of the militia said they're ready to fight, but they won't say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force as reported in the clip below.
However, while we noted the shortcomings in Bundy's latest standoff last night, what is even more notable is that as Shepard Ambellas of Intellihub points out, Montel Williams he tweeted that the National Guard should be mobilized to “kill” protesters who have currently overtaken the federal building in Burns, Oregon.
Then let's give them some - put this down using National Guard with shoot to kill orders. https://t.co/KSzUZzUor6
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) January 3, 2016
Moreover USA Today has reported that “militia members used the ranchers as a ruse,” in what I and others feel may be the planed catalyst to start a civil war in America.
Monday, Rick Jervis wrote:
The Oregon sheriff whose county is at the heart of an anti-government call-to-arms said Sunday the group occupying a national wildlife refuge came to town under false pretenses.
Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, “claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers.” In reality, he said, “these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”
In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to resolve the situation as quickly and peacefully as possible.
Intellihub adds that its staff has identified a few suspicious individuals who claim to stand with the militants which may attempt to provocateur, escalate, the situation further. As we noted last night, this also is a distinct possibility.
Finally, in an interesting tangent, the WaPo, which admits that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" as underlying motives behind the seizure, focuses on "very particular question of how much land the government controls in the state -- the same question that animated the dispute with rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada two years ago -- and that helped motivate Bundy's son Ammon to take a lead role in the Oregon standoff."
It then provides several charts, alongside the following analysis, to show this curious aspect of what may be the core motive behind Bundy's actions. To wit:
More than half of Oregon is owned by the federal government, with a large percentage of that land owned by the Bureau of Land Management -- an agency widely reviled in the West and known by its acronym, BLM. (Ammon Bundy was forced to clarify on Twitter that his use of "BLM" didn't refer to the Black Lives Matter movement.) Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows the amount of federal land in the state.
(This map and the ones below only show areas of 600 or more acres held by the government.)
The takeover occurred near Malheur Lake, at a building that's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. That lake is at the upper center of the BLM's map of the surrounding area, which shows just how much is controlled by the government. (The original protests over the Hammonds' sentencing began in Burns, Ore.)
Part of the issue is that there isn't much population in the eastern part of the state. Mapping Oregon's population, you can see Portland and a corridor near the coast, which is about it. The area around the wildlife refuge has almost no population.
There's a historic link between population and federal land ownership. In 2012, the Congressional Research Service looked at the history of tensions between the government and the population out West -- particularly ranchers and farmers who, like the Hammonds and Bundys, use federal land for grazing and other purposes.
Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.
Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.
The longstanding political and legal dispute was summarized in more depth by the conservative Heritage Foundation, but the Congressional Research Service makes one additional point that's important to consider.
"From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."
That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
Compare the Dakotas to Oregon, for example. In 1910, here's how the population was distributed. Even the Dakotas had pockets of population.
It's still sparsely populated.
But very little of the land is federal.
On that 1910 map, notice that Nevada has very little population -- thanks in part to its landscape being even less hospitable than the Dakotas. Its population is still small, save Reno and Las Vegas.
The vast majority of the land -- including the land around the Bundy ranch -- is owned by the government to this day.
The conclusion: "The fight isn't new, as the Congressional Research Service report notes. What's new is the way in which the broader political moment has cross-pollinated with longstanding objections to how the government manages land out West. The takeover in Oregon has its roots in the Sagebrush Rebellion. They way it's being manifested, though, is as modern as it gets."
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It remains to be seen if the National Guard will take up Montel on his "shoot to kill" advice.
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You wouldn't know how to do that because you are a federal government employee. Get back to work and don't get on this website while you are "on the clock."
Being a .gov employee he canot "get back to work" as he has never started to work.
it's long past bearing arms, it's taking up arms in active revolt against the government and occupying by force of arms government buildings and lands.
Montel isnt wrong, treason needs to be squashed The government is justified with ANY force level required to apprehend these traitors
Hey muzzy buttstain, for a second I thought you were talking about traitors Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Bloomberg, Hillary, etc... you almost had it right.
The government is justified with ANY force level required to apprehend these traitors.
I don't know about the rest of you ZHr's but this comment is one of the STUPIDEST comments I've seen posted in some time.
Hey pal, if these people there are traitors maybe you'd be better off living in North Korea where you belong.
What you are seeing has nothing to do with treason. When the president signs an executive order to go around congress to thwart the Constitution, well, you wouldn't know about that, would you? Ever remember reading that a bad law isn't a law? Guess you missed that one. So far, all these guys are guilty of is trespassing. You want to kill people? Just remember that anything you are willing to turn loose on your fellow citizen can be turned loose on you.
this government we have today is not acting with "the consent of the governed". It is rogue..........Obama letting in Muslim refugees by the droves in the dark of night...........who voted on that? I didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KIf3tElDLfA&feature=youtu.beYou are a blithering idiot. The feds have no right to the land dipshit. What you are seeing is the opposite of treason.
So does that mean it is OK to shoot the rioters in Ferguson or Baltimore? Didn't think so.
Funny, I don't recall clownface Montel asking the Natty G's to come out and vaporize his BLM brothas...
because WhiteLivesDon'tMatter.
Meet Montel Williams: Judge, jury, and executioner.
Can you imagine people took advice from this MORON?
he's an expert on medical marijuana..........seriously...........imagine getting famous over that............
Its too bad I could have really liked him? I dont understand why he doesnt see the unjust system? Is he blind?
Do white guys need Lessons in Looting? Just saying. These Oregon dudes are out in the boonies. They are not stopping traffic, burning, looting, or throwing bricks at the police. They are not inconveniencing Christmas shoppers.
So what are they doing? I am not sure that they even know. Perhaps, they are taking a stand against federal government overreach. Time for cool heads to prevail and while the folks think, look at this map and answer this question.
What percentage of land out west does the federal government own.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8pjR3YpW0TAANOU2nIl...
None lawfully except for a few military bases and post offices. The army bases are in violation of the prohibition against standing armies.
Some headline. Who the hell is Motel Williams...?
Think of Barry without the Wookie and you have him.
come on SBG, stop insulting Chewbacca like that.
and without Reggie............or, maybe with Reggie.........not sure??
Montel Williams = total fucking moron.
WOW, YOU GOT TO READ THE STUFF PROVIDED BY OverFed. Thank you man!
18. In 2011 (5 years after the police report was taken), the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges, and accused them of being “Terrorists” under the Federal Antiterrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death (note: for burning sage brush on their OWN property and the land that they have FEDERAL PERMITS TO MANAGE. Hello?)
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4163331&postcount=68
Now they want to "Pick" them off? Real nice bunch we have in the gov? With friends like this?
No moral person calls for killing people. Montel Williams is a NAZI in liberal clothing. Why not contain them, arrest them or something else? Montel says "shoot to kill". Montel is just as EVIL as Dick Cheney he just doesn't know it.
So the Founding Fathers, they were immoral? Killing is justified if those killed are going against the US Constitution and basic human freedom.
The entire country needs to take a stand against The UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT OF COMPLETE AND ABSOLUTE TYRANNY! FUCK OFF UNCLE SHAM!!!
I guess Montel is so intimidated and frightened by the sight of true freedom in the works that he wants someone else to protect him - kill the scary men... On your knees Mr. Williams - the price for your protection.
Why does the federal government own 65 percent of all the land west of Denver and less than 2 percent of the land east of Denver?
Read more at
http://www.wnd.com/2005/04/29869/
Because the feds do not respect the law or the land.
What's a montel williams?
payday loan pimp
Gay black liberal possibly transgender pimp with an ear ring who once had a talk show about non-sense issues.
Pretty much a really crappy rip off of Jerry Springer.
Who got his Naval Academy education at our expense....much like Obama's vacations.
Montel is just another authoritarian sycophant like all the others calling for the government to shoot these guys, in fact, this whole country has a really bad case of Amsterdam syndrome...
and sadly this comes as no surprise at all.
Was thinking the exact same thing the other day. How and when did Americans become such pussies? To let a clown like BO come in and ram all these non-American and freedom-stealing things down our throats? It's preposterous.
It's time for us all to cowboy up and make America great again.
Let's not let this incident distract us from all the Muslim refugees BO is bringing into this country at night, under color of darkness in converted UPS Charter Flights. It is awful what this guy is doing. Turning us into Belgium, or at least trying his damndest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=KIf3tElDLfA&feature=youtu.beLmao!
I just looked it up and it seems to be a jewish inbreeding disease.
It has been many, many months since Montel's agent called with good news.
That's actually his agent in this thread asking who the hell is Montel Williams?
They were arrested for ARSON, because they set CONTROLLED FIRES TO CLEAR DRY BRUSH THAT PRESENTED A FOREST FIRE HAZARD, they are being persecuted for doing the right thing.
The govt would of prefered the forest fire I guess.
In anycase the sentences were SERVED and the govt with intentions of stealing like always EXTENDED THE SENTENCES, and now you have this situation where honest Americans are just standing up for whats right, and the dumbass Americans are calling them terrorists for conducting a sit-in and controlling an area in protest.
Montel Williams is just another liberal dumbass with no understanding of the issues.
If you let people paper over humanity forever like they been doing for the past 10 years you will come to hate the world you live in I guarantee it.
Just because a judge and a paper says something does not make it true or right.
They are persecuting honest hard working Americans for ulterior motives.
These people are not terrorists, if anything they are fighting the real terrorists despite the idiotic flack.
And for godsake who the fuck is Montel Williams? is this clown still relevant ? Who the fuck still watches his show? lol I thought he was one of those public figures who flaked out and died to coke addiction years ago.... didnt even know he was still alive....
Nowadays about 20-30% of government alphabet soup agencies are abusing their power for private interests, this is the blow back from that corruption, nothing more , nothing less, calling people terrorists for doing the right thing and demanding their summary execution is typical of the left because they are a bunch of low IQ nazis with an unjustified superiority complex.
Actually, they set fires on two different occasions. In the second case knowing that the fire they set could/might endanger the lives of volunteer firefighters that were fighting the blaze. Who, without permission, steps in to fight a forest fire without coordinating with the actual fire crews fighting the blaze? They have no authority or training to do such a thing. This just shows the level of their intelligence and their character.
On the other occasion, the fire was alleged to be started to hide illegal activity of deer poaching.
Bottom line. These assholes are not the good guys (soon to be false martyrs because nobody will care when they're gunned down for being idiots) that the Russian cyber goons posing as American "patriots" would like everyone to believe...
Completely made up false fact you got there. The backfie the set put out the original fire.
Wrong.
They were not charged with arson, they were charged with terrorism. That should tell you all you need to know about the ferales role in this.
Fuck you montel...you loan shark pimpin nigger..
Payday Loan office a.k.a.
Uncle Montel's Cabin
Who is Montel?
And what this montel say`s, matters?
Obviously uneducated about reality.
The Dramatics. Smiling faces
Heres some black artists with a message to this montel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXSHRJYxTQ
he is a skinny baldheaded retard.
Does anyone have Montels address?