Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"
In the latest development in the ongoing saga of Ammon Bundy's seizure of a Federal wildlife reuge office in Oregon, the members of the militia said they're ready to fight, but they won't say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force as reported in the clip below.
However, while we noted the shortcomings in Bundy's latest standoff last night, what is even more notable is that as Shepard Ambellas of Intellihub points out, Montel Williams he tweeted that the National Guard should be mobilized to “kill” protesters who have currently overtaken the federal building in Burns, Oregon.
Then let's give them some - put this down using National Guard with shoot to kill orders. https://t.co/KSzUZzUor6
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) January 3, 2016
Moreover USA Today has reported that “militia members used the ranchers as a ruse,” in what I and others feel may be the planed catalyst to start a civil war in America.
Monday, Rick Jervis wrote:
The Oregon sheriff whose county is at the heart of an anti-government call-to-arms said Sunday the group occupying a national wildlife refuge came to town under false pretenses.
Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, “claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers.” In reality, he said, “these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”
In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to resolve the situation as quickly and peacefully as possible.
Intellihub adds that its staff has identified a few suspicious individuals who claim to stand with the militants which may attempt to provocateur, escalate, the situation further. As we noted last night, this also is a distinct possibility.
Finally, in an interesting tangent, the WaPo, which admits that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" as underlying motives behind the seizure, focuses on "very particular question of how much land the government controls in the state -- the same question that animated the dispute with rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada two years ago -- and that helped motivate Bundy's son Ammon to take a lead role in the Oregon standoff."
It then provides several charts, alongside the following analysis, to show this curious aspect of what may be the core motive behind Bundy's actions. To wit:
More than half of Oregon is owned by the federal government, with a large percentage of that land owned by the Bureau of Land Management -- an agency widely reviled in the West and known by its acronym, BLM. (Ammon Bundy was forced to clarify on Twitter that his use of "BLM" didn't refer to the Black Lives Matter movement.) Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows the amount of federal land in the state.
(This map and the ones below only show areas of 600 or more acres held by the government.)
The takeover occurred near Malheur Lake, at a building that's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. That lake is at the upper center of the BLM's map of the surrounding area, which shows just how much is controlled by the government. (The original protests over the Hammonds' sentencing began in Burns, Ore.)
Part of the issue is that there isn't much population in the eastern part of the state. Mapping Oregon's population, you can see Portland and a corridor near the coast, which is about it. The area around the wildlife refuge has almost no population.
There's a historic link between population and federal land ownership. In 2012, the Congressional Research Service looked at the history of tensions between the government and the population out West -- particularly ranchers and farmers who, like the Hammonds and Bundys, use federal land for grazing and other purposes.
Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.
Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.
The longstanding political and legal dispute was summarized in more depth by the conservative Heritage Foundation, but the Congressional Research Service makes one additional point that's important to consider.
"From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."
That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
Compare the Dakotas to Oregon, for example. In 1910, here's how the population was distributed. Even the Dakotas had pockets of population.
It's still sparsely populated.
But very little of the land is federal.
On that 1910 map, notice that Nevada has very little population -- thanks in part to its landscape being even less hospitable than the Dakotas. Its population is still small, save Reno and Las Vegas.
The vast majority of the land -- including the land around the Bundy ranch -- is owned by the government to this day.
The conclusion: "The fight isn't new, as the Congressional Research Service report notes. What's new is the way in which the broader political moment has cross-pollinated with longstanding objections to how the government manages land out West. The takeover in Oregon has its roots in the Sagebrush Rebellion. They way it's being manifested, though, is as modern as it gets."
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It remains to be seen if the National Guard will take up Montel on his "shoot to kill" advice.
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If he were white, Spike Lee would have it..............
Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" Chinese government "shoot to kill" short sellers Montel you are a NSA CIA race baiting piece of dog shit... Stop the crap about past enslavment and talk about present enslavment....... no color there baby.....
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Comments on the Relationship of Government to the People
Here area few comments from someone who knows the history of the law in America (I have a Ph.D. specializing in this very topic - it was directly related to my dissertation. I have studied it for over 40 years.)
First, Montel Williams and even Sheriff David Ward of Harlan County, Oregon do NOT know the law or the history of the law and our Constitution. Consequently, they have the relationship between the government and the people BACKWARDS !!!!
1.) A "wildlife refuge" is NOT the same as a "national park". In a "national park", the activities of mining, logging timber, etc are severely restricted. In a "wildlife refuge" people are still, by law, allowed to own homes; and to conduct business activities such as mining, logging timber, grazing cattle and sheep, and other activities. The restrictions in a "wildlife refuge" concern the WILDLIFE, e.g., certain types of endangered species are protected and may not be hunted, etc.
The DIFFERENCE is HUGE !!! However, many people do NOT know the applicable statutes; and incorrectly believe that a “wildlife refuge” and a “national park” are equivalent.
2.) A "wildlife refuge" is often a mix of public (government) and private land, provided the land-owners consent to being part of that "wildlife refuge". Otherwise, it would be an unconstitutional "taking" of land without "just compensation".
The MEAT of the issue:
3.) By definition, "federal land" is OWNED by THE PEOPLE. (The word "federal" means "by agreement" or contract.) The federal government, under the Constitution, simply acts as a "trustee" for the people with regard to that land. The Constitution is a legal TRUST created by the various states: the states are the Trustors. The trustee is called the "United States of America"; and must act for the benefit of the Beneficiaries, who are the PEOPLE ("ourselves and our posterity"). If the Trustee (government) fails to fulfill the conditions placed on it by the Trust (the Constitution), then - just as for ANY Trust - the Trustor and/or the Beneficiary can sue the Trustee for "breach of fiduciary duty" and/or fire the Trustee (the U.S. government) and hire a NEW Trustee. Further, the Trustor and/or Beneficiary can take whatever action they feel necessary to maintain the integrity of the Trust to keep the Trustee (government) from exceeding its authority. Further, that was the primary purpose of guaranteeing to the people as individuals in the Bill of Rights the “right to keep and bear arms”. Lastly, that was also the reason that each state was to have a well-armed and well-trained militia!
THAT is how our government was originally set up. The Founders understood this Trust; and so did the people of that era. Note that the people themselves NEVER voted for the Trust. Only the various states (as the Trustors) legally set up this Trust (a type of CONTRACT) among themselves by their various ratifications of the Constitution.
Further, the Trustee (the U.S. government) is NOT the boss of the Trust. The Trustee MUST, by international commercial law, follow the rules and instructions as defined in the Trust (Constitution). It is the Trustors (states) and the Beneficiaries (the people) who are the boss of the Trustee (U.S. government).
This group of people that occupied the wildlife refuge headquarters - as the Beneficiaries of the Trust, believing that the Trustee (government) has violated and over-reached its powers as defined in the Trust (Constitution as a contract among the various states) are legally CORRECT in what the are doing. That is what each state’s militias were supposed to be for - to protect the rights of the people from their government!!! They truthfully believe the Trustee (government) has exceeded its authority and, therefore, under international commercial law, have EVERY RIGHT (as a "remedy") to take over the land over-seen by the Trustee. These people, as the Beneficiaries, are "protecting the Trust" from violation by the Trustee. It is the same as if someone came into your home and attempted to destroy or steal your property - you would have EVER RIGHT to defend it - with FORCE, if necessary.
The Trustee (U.S. government) is NOT the BOSS! It is the SERVANT. That is why government employees are called "civil servants"!!! Their duty and obligation is fulfill the conditions set up the Trustors (the states) as defined in the Trust contract (Constitution) for the benefit of the Beneficiaries (the people). That is why changes to the Trust contract (Constitution) can be made ONLY by the states (Trustors) through the "amendment process", by which three-fourths of the Trustors must agree to change the Trust (by ratification of any proposed amendment to the Constitution). Again, the Trustee (U.S. government) is the SERVANT !!!! One of the primary duties of an "organized, well-armed militia"is to keep the government (as the Trustee for the people) from exceeding its authority and powers.
I wish folks would learn the history of the LAW before making any comments !!! If you do NOT even understand the concepts behind the Constitution (as a Trust contract among the states), then HOW in the world can you discuss the roles of the U.S. government, the states and the people??? From 1789 until my parents' generation, people were educated and aware of these concepts - and so held the U.S. government in check. But most of my generation and subsequent generations have NO IDEA about these concepts! Perhaps that is why the federal government has STOLEN almost all of the rights of the people, without much, if any, objections by the people.
As noted above, the word "federal" means "by agreement" or contract - in this case, the states agreed to create a SERVANT called the U.S. government. And the CREATOR is always greater in authority than that which he created (the SERVANT). And the people created the states, so the people are superior in authority to BOTH the states AND the U.S. government.
And THAT is why what these people occupying the wildlife refuge headquarters are legally CORRECT, under international commercial law!!!!
For God’s sake, educate yourselves !!!
John-Henry Hill, M.D., Ph.D
For more on this topic, see my LAW BLOG at: http://JohnHenryHill.Wordpress.com
You just killed atleast 10 progs, tiny heads just fucking exploded. But they still won't understand, the illogical progs choose ignorance willfully. Seems quite regressive imho.
Hmm... So you're saying that "International Commercial Law" has jurisdiction over American citizens and the United States Federal Government?
BIG GOV. Goes against the grain again... What department are you from? The dip shit brigade?
Good job. Im reading your latest essay. Obamanation will have to plan his next monarchial"executive order" to sabotage any legal precident in Oregon.
I just posted this on another forum! Excellent essay and thank you!
“In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” Confucius
It's either stand up or end up - like Edgar Steele !
So these heavily armed thugs come from out of state demanding the turn over of land like this wildlife refuge to wealthy ranchers, mining corporations, and logging companies for profit. Oh, and so that they can run their ATVs all over and ruin the wilderness.
Got news for these clowns - it isn't going to happen and the sooner they get the hell of Oregon back to whatever hole they crawled out of, the better.
By chance did you burn your ribbons and spit on your fellow vets? My bet is yes.
Cpl USMC 1991-1996
and how many people did you kill and maim half way around the world, just to fatten up the bottom line of international corporations?
Look up Smedley Butler for a clear view on the subject.
No need to 'look him up' - here I am. what you need to look up is what I wrote which contains not one word against my fellow Marines I criticize the bankers and corp elites. EDIT : do you apply your criticisms to the MIC factory worker or the bank tellers?
Bitch slapped. Ouch.
Too many. Too young and dumb to know better.
Wow.
So you are one of those idiots who invaded Iraq for isisrael?
Over lies?
http://youtu.be/2PPiadun9Jo
Onward christian soldier!(/sung by the jews)
I never invaded a country. Got sent to guard relief groups and their supplies in Somalia though. And btw I'm atheist. I think all you imaginary friend worshippers a little bug nuts by it doesn't hurt me, so I don't bitch about it.
I volunteered to serve and did my duty. Go fuck yourself.
I don't believe you even serve in the military not along claim to be a Vietnam vet. I didn't see you there so you were not there.
Lurch! I thought you were in Sauidia Arabis
Reply to vietnamvet:
You obviously do NOT know the difference between a "wildlife refuge", a legally designated "wilderness area", a "federal reserve area", a "national forest" and a "natiional park".
Look it up, DUMMY !!!!!
Reply to vietnamvet:
You obviously do NOT know the difference between a "wildlife refuge", a legally designated "wilderness area", a "federal reserve area", a "national forest" and a "natiional park".
Look it up, DUMMY !!!!!
As if I give a fuck. Time for all these "patriot" clowns to pack up and get the hell out of Oregon.
Too much Agent Orange in the Kool-aid there vietnamvet??
Y'all gotts to remember dat Montel just be a nigga who be fading into obscuroty. So he have to be makin some outrageisness statement to be gettin so noteryity again. Just a poor fadin nigga, dat all.
... obscuroty.
I'm not sure what our President's nether regions have to do with this.
Sounds like yet another false flag to me. Expect lots more of the same this year as TPTB become absolutely desperate to cull us all.
I hope that Brady Jr's name is not on the title to the family ranch in Nevada.
If it is, he very likely cost his family that ranch.
The Feds do not have to do anything but sit back and let time go by.
At the end of the event they don't even have to bother with criminal charges.
All they have to do is take Brady Jr. to a civil court and nail him for all the cost that his action has caused. Then foreclose on the ranch.
This has great potential to rip the mask off of America's domestic tranquility. No nation is so accepting of government. No nation is so dedicated to consumption and so at peace with itself. Is it possible that media has covered up and hidden all the fault lines in America 2016? Time will tell.
Let's be clear. This has nothing to do with land use and lease of federal lands for private use. The real story is revealed when all these armed folks turned up out of nowhere. That says something else is going on. Search me what it is, but I don't believe this is spontanious uprising against too strict of land use regulations on federally owned, leased land.
Mind you, the Government has to step carefully. We are one year or so out from an election. Obama must pass the leadership to Hillary without American blood on his hands. Thus the protestors hold all the cards. Send in some of those crazed Killer Cops that gun down blacks, let's see how they do against armed white men.
The feds do not lawfully own that land.
So that group of dimwitted "patriots" do?
Lol...
Well as fucking tax payers that are 19 trillion in fucking debt that would be the idea? Something to show for it? What is it reserved for? Obama's personal golf retreat? Government means the people you DICKHEAD? BIG GOV. my new nickname for you!
Time to take OUR assets back from these GOV thieves selling everything off... Got your comment buddies high 5in ya? BIGGOV MORON. Robo commentor.
I guess smoking massive amounts of weed will result in keyboard giberish -- you just proved that...
BTW Einstein, Who the fuck do you think "We The People" are? It's us the taxpayers. That means I pay taxes to support a federal nature preserve and that means part of it belongs to me. Now, these "patriots" cough cough went in and seized it and say I (an average US citizen) can't set foot on it because THEY now own it. That means these fucking thieves are stealing from every US citizen. But then again, I wouldn't expect you'd be ablke to understand such a simple concept when you're high on ten bong hits of "kryptonite gold"...
Then go ahead head up there... Im sure they would be happy to meet YOU! Why dont you go tell these guys just how you FEEEEL, its your land too?..... Whine ass SISSY!
I'll go if you do. Lets meet for a beer outside the cordon. Then we can go in and you can have them explain to me why they think they can seize taxpayer property. Then I'll explain to them that the National Guard is about smoke their asses because they are clueless. I'll also let them know that greater America will go "Daaahm... those idiots got served by the NG!" when they see it go down on TV. Deal?
There will be ZERO sympathy for those dunces and ain't a nobody gonna pick up arms to rush in and back them up. Watch and see ... Watch and see son. BTW. Put down the bong you dope addict...
Incredibly intelligent, you just make me understand how WHACKED our Gov is Big GOV! Dude I dont fucking Drink? didnt you see the Avatar? I would say you could use some of what I have? You just dont know it? You may actually be 'normal' for a change and not quite so JACKED UP! More people would actually be "safe" from the threat of your violence?... Thats why they call it the peace pipe? It brings peace? DUH? Cultures that arent into scaremongering understand exactly what it is, they dont need some JACKED up moron telling them.
Is that how you guys think your going to hold power??? by "impressing" us? scaring us? not a successful route throughout history DUDE! Probably set the whole thing up for sport? Ill be watching DUDE with BALLS ON! I think you under estimate how many people are going to start to pay attention.
GET OFF THE FUCKING STEROIDS YOU FUCKING ADDICT!
Fuck the Fed and the Feds.......a two-fer...........
Fuck you Montel...as if your black ass matters!
https://youtu.be/06z9izxl20Y
Good for him, in that respect, why is he against liberty?
Its called being a hypocrite.
It's been interesting to see so much misinformation about land use in the West. More interesting is to see ZHers support an enviro terrorist and his game poacher son, welfare and entitlement "business" man. Those 96 laws were enacted because of ELF, Earth First, etc. You can't indiscriminately and intentionally burn public land. If he had an invasive weed problem it's because he overgrazed and mismanaged. Lots of overgrazed land out here turns to sage, creosote, chaparral, broom weed, etc from public land ranchers. The Grazing Act had to be in effect becauseIf much of the West would look like Mars if left in the hands of cattlemen. If these guys were a bunch of Earth Firsters who destroyed public land you'd be calling for their heads. I was raised in ranching country and worked a few ranches as a kid. This ain't about gov't as much as it is to get public land in the hands of the wealthy, with useful idiots like Hammond, Bundy, Laney and help from corrupt politicians like Pearce (NM). Use your heads ZHErs, you're too easily fooled. Once privatization gets popular support and is generally accepted the floodgates will open. Unfortunately, ZH seems to help, maybe it's a neoliberal site in disguise. Can't imagine the West entirely owned by private entities, mostly corps. Think fees and licenses are bad now, careful what you wish for....
Slider,
How much land do you own? And how many cattle do you run? If you measure your land in acres instead of sections, don't expect to get it. The Federal government owns 65% of everything west of Denver. When is enough, enough?
Dear Mr Williams you may be quite surprised to find out wher the loyalty of the national guard lies
Um actually no. The nanosecond one of those "patriots" takes a pot shot at the National Guard -- they will learn the hard way regarding the old saying "mess with the bull -- get the horns"
Those dipshit "patriots" will get smoked and the American people will simply say "Idiots got what they asked for. Whats for dinner?"
your title should say HAMMERHEAD BIGGOV! Real Freedom lover? Loser!
Just a note to Ammon Bundy:
Dude: You claim God told you to do this.
Don't do it.
God is clearly fucking with you.
Get out and go home before it is too late.
The U.S. government will eat you and shit you out.
It's what they do.
Just like the BLM Security did right? Real tough characters until someone stood up to them.
One Eyed Jack: Do you think that the U.S. government has not been training goon squads for this eventuality
since the first Bundy conflict?
They ran away with tails between legs. Some goons.