Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"
In the latest development in the ongoing saga of Ammon Bundy's seizure of a Federal wildlife reuge office in Oregon, the members of the militia said they're ready to fight, but they won't say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force as reported in the clip below.
However, while we noted the shortcomings in Bundy's latest standoff last night, what is even more notable is that as Shepard Ambellas of Intellihub points out, Montel Williams he tweeted that the National Guard should be mobilized to “kill” protesters who have currently overtaken the federal building in Burns, Oregon.
Then let's give them some - put this down using National Guard with shoot to kill orders. https://t.co/KSzUZzUor6
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) January 3, 2016
Moreover USA Today has reported that “militia members used the ranchers as a ruse,” in what I and others feel may be the planed catalyst to start a civil war in America.
Monday, Rick Jervis wrote:
The Oregon sheriff whose county is at the heart of an anti-government call-to-arms said Sunday the group occupying a national wildlife refuge came to town under false pretenses.
Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, “claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers.” In reality, he said, “these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”
In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to resolve the situation as quickly and peacefully as possible.
Intellihub adds that its staff has identified a few suspicious individuals who claim to stand with the militants which may attempt to provocateur, escalate, the situation further. As we noted last night, this also is a distinct possibility.
Finally, in an interesting tangent, the WaPo, which admits that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" as underlying motives behind the seizure, focuses on "very particular question of how much land the government controls in the state -- the same question that animated the dispute with rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada two years ago -- and that helped motivate Bundy's son Ammon to take a lead role in the Oregon standoff."
It then provides several charts, alongside the following analysis, to show this curious aspect of what may be the core motive behind Bundy's actions. To wit:
More than half of Oregon is owned by the federal government, with a large percentage of that land owned by the Bureau of Land Management -- an agency widely reviled in the West and known by its acronym, BLM. (Ammon Bundy was forced to clarify on Twitter that his use of "BLM" didn't refer to the Black Lives Matter movement.) Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows the amount of federal land in the state.
(This map and the ones below only show areas of 600 or more acres held by the government.)
The takeover occurred near Malheur Lake, at a building that's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. That lake is at the upper center of the BLM's map of the surrounding area, which shows just how much is controlled by the government. (The original protests over the Hammonds' sentencing began in Burns, Ore.)
Part of the issue is that there isn't much population in the eastern part of the state. Mapping Oregon's population, you can see Portland and a corridor near the coast, which is about it. The area around the wildlife refuge has almost no population.
There's a historic link between population and federal land ownership. In 2012, the Congressional Research Service looked at the history of tensions between the government and the population out West -- particularly ranchers and farmers who, like the Hammonds and Bundys, use federal land for grazing and other purposes.
Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.
Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.
The longstanding political and legal dispute was summarized in more depth by the conservative Heritage Foundation, but the Congressional Research Service makes one additional point that's important to consider.
"From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."
That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
Compare the Dakotas to Oregon, for example. In 1910, here's how the population was distributed. Even the Dakotas had pockets of population.
It's still sparsely populated.
But very little of the land is federal.
On that 1910 map, notice that Nevada has very little population -- thanks in part to its landscape being even less hospitable than the Dakotas. Its population is still small, save Reno and Las Vegas.
The vast majority of the land -- including the land around the Bundy ranch -- is owned by the government to this day.
The conclusion: "The fight isn't new, as the Congressional Research Service report notes. What's new is the way in which the broader political moment has cross-pollinated with longstanding objections to how the government manages land out West. The takeover in Oregon has its roots in the Sagebrush Rebellion. They way it's being manifested, though, is as modern as it gets."
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It remains to be seen if the National Guard will take up Montel on his "shoot to kill" advice.
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I don't know of any judges that aren't crooked.
In fact, I would be surprised if they werent.
The system controlled by the jews have created this insane world.
I suspect the Hammonds are peacefully going off to prison on advice of counsel who intends to thoroughly roast the feds who signed onto this shit show. The best thing for the Hammonds would be a multimillion dollar damages award followed by retirement in Paraguay.
It's a war, and all the cowboys and miners can win is battles. There's always another offensive being planned by the Dark Lords of .gov.
Nice catch. My fire department (and many others) had to change our Standard Operating Procedures (SOP) manual to Suggested Operating Guidlines (SOG) for legal and other reasons.
Good catch, Kirk
I hope this guy dies slowly of cancer....
Leftists rape in public, loot stores, and destroy property when they "protest" and then the mayor says to "give them room to destroy".....EXACTLY what happen in Baltimore and the RAPES at Occupy Wall street.
You Go....Montel Affirmative Action Williams!
All we're missing is the fkn Montel doll
Seriously, can you imagine where this would be if the "militia" were all heavily arrmed black men, and protecting a church that the state had condemned to make room for a shiny new highway?
Wanna stack the deck s'more? What about if the church's daycare were full of cute wittle babies?
Seriously.
With Obama as president? Sheeit nigguh, don't even.
Who the fuck is Montel williams? Never heard of him. But, Fuck him anyways.
He's being groomed to be the next attorney general.
Some uppity nigger that used to be on TV. Kinda like Steve Harvey but not funny.
Well now that the Feebs have taken over I guess we can all forgive Montel. FBI is always "shoot to kill."
He needs to ease up on the bong hits
Yo!
Montel!
Get your gun and go out there and do it yourself, Mr. Uptown Negro.
Those boys could use the laughs.
He and The Shaft have nunchucks. Who needs guns to quell those white honkeys!
Typical Liberalism.
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Remember when .gov called in the National Guard with shoot to kill orders when those Occupy Wall Streeters where squatting on private and public land all around the US??? This is the same thing so we should shoot these guys just like we shot all of those people.
There is a bit of a difference when your dealing
with someone who is going to shoot back you know...
It gets downright dangerous if those "someones" have
tactics and strategies. And it becomes seriously terminal
of those "someones" aren't necessarily where you think
(or someone tells you) they are...!!!
And when 2000 of Montel's sons rampage through an upscale KY mall ??
It was an impromptu mass rap session for honor students, who were just turning their lives around?
A good, decent, order following, ordning muss sein fascist.
you cant coddle TREASON...of course both Hillary and Obama are also TRAITORS, regardless, TRAITORS must be prosecuted and sentenced, there are no alternatives in a civil society
......and as soon as a civil society is found, no alternatives will be permitted.
Mr. Williams should be careful. Inciting violence as a "journalist" or whatever the fuck he thinks he is these days could be dangerous. Several Nazi "Journalists" were hanged during the Nuremberg trials for doing things just as Montel is doing now.
Welfared and Subsidized Ranchers Matter!!!!
Not enough data to pick a side?
Yes there are.
"Somebody" is trying to spin Oregon issue, much like Mrs.Anhellinda trashes her dauther-in-law:
- Ordinary slut. My poor son have to bring her breacfast in bed ... hire cooking and cleaning woman, coz slut don't cook or clean ... and all that fancy&expencive gifts?
- And what about your daughter?
- Ahhh, wevbeen lucky there. Weve got realy precious son-in-law. He brings her breacfast in bed ...
PS
And where is that federal judgestute now? That trigered events.
Resting in his warm&cozy untouchable nest.
'Montel who?'
Montel 'I used to be a big talk show host' Williams says 'shoot to kill'......well he would wouldn't he, let's face it he knows full well that they are probably all Caucasian!
Why doesn't he just join the National Guard if he feels that way and see what it's really like to be shot at, before making such crass statements.
All Patriots should now seriously consider their position and support their brothers in this stand against tyranny and blatant racism!
I bring your attention to Goal 16 of the UN Agenda 2030:
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/12/as-events-spiral-ou...
Never heard of him and would like to keep it that way. I think white european people should not pay too much attention to these folks.
BBBWWWAAAHHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!
These moron "patriots" played again!
These idiots don't even realize that most of their Internet "patriot" buddies are actually Russian and Iranian cyber douches.
Thats right. The mentally challenged "Patriots" are seizing government property and talking max stupid shit because some Internet moron based in Moscow told them to "take back OUR country before the bla bla bla steals you blind and rapes your teenage daughter bla bla bla..."
Its incredible that these dipshits can't even for a second realize they're getting played by Russian agents -- AND they're going to get their collective asses blown off in the process. I think the term is "criminally stupid"...
My father was in the Red Army, he loved Russians and was eternally grateful to that nation for Liberating mankind from the Nazi filth and their racist ideology. However, todays' young Russians are as dumb as a rock. They idealize Nazis and are ignorant of their own nation past and how Nazis murdered 10s of million of Soviet citizens with the utmost of brutality.
Fuck them, and fuck Iran and their Ayatollahs and Iran Revolutionary Guards. After the revolution they wholesale murdered anyone who was not a Shiite and did not support them. In 1979 they were the ISIS and gave birth to current jihadi movement. How many Christians are left in Iran, how about Zoroastrians?
Put down the bong and go to bed.
The problem with calling out the National Guard, is that most units are local people - usually living in the same rural areas as the protesting ranchers, usually own guns themselves, and most know that the government's position is horse crap!
Dude please. The National Guard comes from far and wide. Eastern Oregon has a tiny population. NG memebers will come in from Portland to Medford and they won't think twice about putting lead down range once one of these genius "patriots" takes a shot at them.
These rancher patriot dumbasses will get smoked. The country will NOT rise up in their defense because they are idiots that think they can seize and steal taxpayer land WHICH BELONGS TO ALL OF US which of course means these rancher "patriot" shit for brains ARE STEALING FROM THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA!
The "patriots" will get smoked. The country will "say dumbasses got what they deserved. Who is playing half time at the Superbowl this year?"
The NG is just a show of force.
Here is closer to how it will likely go down (from the standpoit of an FBI HRT Sniper who was at both Ruby and Waco) http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Zero-Inside-Hostage-Rescue/dp/0316601039
Media is reporting as if the Sheriff has washed his hands of this, and the FBI is the primary on this matter. Who knows, there may be an HRT team spooling up, or on site already.
You can bet your ass this is for, and about Bundy.
And why should Harry share and play well with others? He doesn't have to....so.....Fuck You! Right? Right.......
It is important to note that this area of BLM land in Oregon was originally the Malheur Indian Reservation under Pres. US Grant.
The indians and the area whites went at it in the Bannock War and there were the relocations of the Piutes and Bannocks in 1878. When not enough Indians settled back there after the war, the feds disbanded the Reservation. HOWEVER, this is when the ranchers began their grazing and land usage with the full knowledge of the US Army in the area. Late 1870s or so. So there is a LONG HISTORY of mutual grazing in this area long before the modern era of the BLM and their "GTFO" fascist policies.
The Piutes common to that area are now settled north of Burns on the much smaller Burns Piute reservation. Interesting to note that a catholic priest (Father Heuel) was the one who brought order and assistance to the Piutes...not the federal government. To think that if more had settled back in the Reservation at Malheur and the cattlemen and indians could've come to an understanding then we wouldn't even be here at this juncture.
That's a lot of "if's" and 100+ years but at least the bureaucrats wouldn't be in the mix.
Thanks for that bit of history conspicio, I uparrowed you.
Fake internet point for you as well. Cheers.
there were never indians says below, he used indian argument to make it a wildlife reserve:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=225fe5a56f35940cd919578d...
Assuming the bias of the authors here is fairly neutral (I have no reason to think they have a particular bend or dog in the hunt at prior junctures) it provides a great overview on the Indian reservation history. I believe your author is incorrect and mistakenly refers to the Executive Order 929 from 1908 as an act to "create an “Indian reservation” around the Malheur, Mud & Harney Lake" when it reads as creating a bird nesting preserve along the edges of the Lake and (vague) tributary waters only in townships of the exhibit, then this eventually becomes a part of the Malheur Nat'l Wildlife refuge. The Indian reservation actions were all pre-1900.
I believe it was Paul Begala who, after Clinton grabbed the Grand Escalante - Staircase area in southeastern UT pronounced, "Stroke of the pen, law of the land, kind of cool."
Your author gives a good account otherwise - thanks for the link.
Surprise Surprise, look at who is advocating the murder of protesters. Yes, the protesters are armed and it is still legal in the USA to own and carry a gun unless the emperor has changed the law by decree....???? With a modicum of effort, negotiation, diplomacy and just maybe a wee bit of compromise the entire protest could be peacefully solved. However, the railroading of the ranchers via judicial double jeopardy should be renounced by all citizens.
Double jeopardy indeed. As well as the blatant land grab and trumped up charges on these people.
I read the entire docket on this, this family has been railroaded as railroaded gets.
A total kangaroo court, bogus charges of terrorism and the funny thing I learned was something quite eye poping.
This family evidently is sitting on massive rare earth mineral reserves as well as potentionaly an enormouse amount of Silver and natural gas.
After loooking at how these people have been treated for creating a backstop to kill an advancing fire from lighting strikes that caused the intial flare up... The government should be grateful these people did what they did as the entire area could have been lost.
Not saying these people are saints, but being jailed, being menaced by the BLM, railroaded in court, this looks really bad for the BLM and the government.
They served their time and the BLM and court owned by the USG is guilty as sin of menacing these people after the fact they had served time.
Our government is totally off the rails gone rogue. Don't steal, the government hates competition right! In this case, the BLM and USG own 51% of the entire western half of the US and they want MOOOAAAARRRRR!
Truly sickening to see the full apparatus of the state now being turned on all of us. I want no part of a civil war, however our government is arming itself to the teeth and clearly pushing us all towards the divide and conquer scheme.
The Judge, DA, and Sheriff should al be hanging from lamp posts.
I hope this is the beginning of people's revolt in America. When these brave souls get massacred (remember Waco, Wounded Knee?), maybe the rest of us will learn the lesson: You can't directly confront the Federal Government. This rule goes as far back as Native American struggles for justice and the Shea Rebellion. The only road left to us now is more subtle, involving a direct confrontation with the decision makers in Wall Street and DC.
Of course you do Vlad! Of course you do...
BTW. Waco? Yea sure. Koresh and his preteen girlfriends oops I mean wives...
Nobody outside of the brain challenged shed a single fucking tear for Koresh and Waco. The cult leader who got a bunch of people killed because of his weirdness has ZERO respect in 99.999999 (six nines) of the rest of the United States of America. None.
You cant make this up. Google Koresh and look at the other names people also searched for. Perfect.
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Dude, you're a freaking genius, in the mold of Alfred E. Neuman for sure. Plus a googling expert! Very impressive.
Yes, Waco was a brilliant operation. The FBI really showed its stuff. A real feather in their cap.
I suggest we use the same strategy to deal with pedophile priests. Just burn down their churches with all their parishioners inside.
Wake up you idiot. If Koresh the child molesting cult freak never did any of those things -- then why would the FBI et al burn down an empty building? Waco was a 100% shit show. But THE entire reason that any of it happened was because that freak Koresh was breaking untold numbers of laws both written and societal. You can certainly blame the FBI for their srewed up operation -- BUT AGAIN THE FBI SHOWED UP *BECAUSE* OF KORESH! GOT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?
Pedophile priests? Prison for life. Nobody gets a feree ride. Its shocking that some just cant comprehend that if he were to have been a normal person and average citizen (instead of sex freak with underage girls) then he wouldn't have had his ass burned down. FURTHERMORE. The blood is on Koreshs hands because he was not man enough to send those innocent people out of the building when he was asked to over and over and over AND over. The blood is on Koreshs hands.
@alphahammer:
You know, I can usually find at least one redeeming quality in everyone that I encounter regardless of their world view.
You. however, have proven to be an exception to the rule.