Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"
In the latest development in the ongoing saga of Ammon Bundy's seizure of a Federal wildlife reuge office in Oregon, the members of the militia said they're ready to fight, but they won't say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force as reported in the clip below.
However, while we noted the shortcomings in Bundy's latest standoff last night, what is even more notable is that as Shepard Ambellas of Intellihub points out, Montel Williams he tweeted that the National Guard should be mobilized to “kill” protesters who have currently overtaken the federal building in Burns, Oregon.
Then let's give them some - put this down using National Guard with shoot to kill orders. https://t.co/KSzUZzUor6
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) January 3, 2016
Moreover USA Today has reported that “militia members used the ranchers as a ruse,” in what I and others feel may be the planed catalyst to start a civil war in America.
Monday, Rick Jervis wrote:
The Oregon sheriff whose county is at the heart of an anti-government call-to-arms said Sunday the group occupying a national wildlife refuge came to town under false pretenses.
Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, “claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers.” In reality, he said, “these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”
In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to resolve the situation as quickly and peacefully as possible.
Intellihub adds that its staff has identified a few suspicious individuals who claim to stand with the militants which may attempt to provocateur, escalate, the situation further. As we noted last night, this also is a distinct possibility.
Finally, in an interesting tangent, the WaPo, which admits that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" as underlying motives behind the seizure, focuses on "very particular question of how much land the government controls in the state -- the same question that animated the dispute with rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada two years ago -- and that helped motivate Bundy's son Ammon to take a lead role in the Oregon standoff."
It then provides several charts, alongside the following analysis, to show this curious aspect of what may be the core motive behind Bundy's actions. To wit:
More than half of Oregon is owned by the federal government, with a large percentage of that land owned by the Bureau of Land Management -- an agency widely reviled in the West and known by its acronym, BLM. (Ammon Bundy was forced to clarify on Twitter that his use of "BLM" didn't refer to the Black Lives Matter movement.) Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows the amount of federal land in the state.
(This map and the ones below only show areas of 600 or more acres held by the government.)
The takeover occurred near Malheur Lake, at a building that's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. That lake is at the upper center of the BLM's map of the surrounding area, which shows just how much is controlled by the government. (The original protests over the Hammonds' sentencing began in Burns, Ore.)
Part of the issue is that there isn't much population in the eastern part of the state. Mapping Oregon's population, you can see Portland and a corridor near the coast, which is about it. The area around the wildlife refuge has almost no population.
There's a historic link between population and federal land ownership. In 2012, the Congressional Research Service looked at the history of tensions between the government and the population out West -- particularly ranchers and farmers who, like the Hammonds and Bundys, use federal land for grazing and other purposes.
Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.
Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.
The longstanding political and legal dispute was summarized in more depth by the conservative Heritage Foundation, but the Congressional Research Service makes one additional point that's important to consider.
"From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."
That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
Compare the Dakotas to Oregon, for example. In 1910, here's how the population was distributed. Even the Dakotas had pockets of population.
It's still sparsely populated.
But very little of the land is federal.
On that 1910 map, notice that Nevada has very little population -- thanks in part to its landscape being even less hospitable than the Dakotas. Its population is still small, save Reno and Las Vegas.
The vast majority of the land -- including the land around the Bundy ranch -- is owned by the government to this day.
The conclusion: "The fight isn't new, as the Congressional Research Service report notes. What's new is the way in which the broader political moment has cross-pollinated with longstanding objections to how the government manages land out West. The takeover in Oregon has its roots in the Sagebrush Rebellion. They way it's being manifested, though, is as modern as it gets."
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It remains to be seen if the National Guard will take up Montel on his "shoot to kill" advice.
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Thanks. I take that as high praise from someone such as yourself who is obviously such a bastion in morals and societal intelligence...
white lives don't matter
#whitelivesmatter
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It infuriates me that the entire American populace is falling for the "divide and conquer" strategy. The amount of name calling, race bating and religious references that we see today is absolutely sickening, and is nothing more than a horrible distraction away from what the topic really is. I'm not as much upset with the people themselves for being so stupid as to be falling for it, as I am with the powers behind it and why they're causing this needless and pointless rift. Of course the MSM is stirring that evil pot like any other ancient coven of witches, which is exactly what these whore-shills are. I "never, ever, ever" refer to a person's skin color in any of my comments, anywhere, anytime. I absolutely refuse to take that bait. And I'm certainly not going there now either. But what really strikes me about Montel Williams' latest tweet is this:
Montel Williams is a former marine. He took an solemn oath. He swore on it. He just shit on that oath. He just shit on the Constitution. He just shit on the Oathkeepers, one of the most honorable groups of Americans that exists today. And he just shit on every active marine who is putting his life on the line at the expense of the US citizens. I never disliked Montel Williams. Until now. If this traitorous mighty mouse ex-marine wants to get the bloodshed started, I dare him go go there and try it himself. Fucken loudmouth should get a visit from "real marines" who might just knock his god damned lips off.
We fall for it a lot. It is the basis for elections every four years...
If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything. Period.
Irrelevant if its a strategy, You must choose your race or will be wiped out.
But it should only be done when it applies.
Black Opinions Don't Matter.
How much jail-time did the EPA serve for poisoning the Animas River in CO.? Federal Agencies REGULARLY Tax, Fine, Fee, Regulate, and charge citizens with crimes. WHO IS PISSED OFF?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX5BvlqWEAAG6rS.jpg:largeMust not be any blacks in the militia.
Fuck Montel, that huckster piece of shit, maybe they'll call open season on him?
Montel Williams, just another nigga that deserves to be shot.
To Montel Williams life does not seem to matter, black, white or whatever.
Just a satanic sellout to the human race.
It's Oregon and winter if you have forgotten. Forget these guys until April and then come back to decide what to do. They will be cold and hungry these next 3 months. I don't think anyone is in a rush to visit this wildlife sanctuary during winter. We have a lot more important issues right now.
Montel should be more careful what he wishes for---as should the smartass at the Grauniad who suggested that had Ammon Bundy and his men been black or Muslim, they would have been liquidated already.
Don't worry, Uncle Sugar's getting around to it---and he won't waste any time trying to kill this rebellion with kindness. Strangely enough, he never does when the rebels are white people who work for a living, believe in God, and insist that the right to self-government with which their Creator endowed them is unalienable by banksters or their proxies, and least of all by the likes of Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.
The only civilized nation the Union Army have ever been an existential threat to is the American nation itself. Ask any southerner living under occupation these 151 years in the year of our Lord 2016. The South got off lightly too---today Sherman could have burned Dixie down in a matter of hours, and if you think Hillary wouldn't nuke Little Rock, you're too good for this world.
More generally, the real civil war---of the usurers against the rest of us---has been going on even longer than that. The usurers are winning, and winner takes all. Does anyone think they'll let civilized people have a reservation even in rural Oregon? The only portion of this unhappy world the usurers intend to let the meek inherit is the part starting six feet under the ground.
"Malheur" (misfortune) couldn't have been better named. This won't end well.
Had to look the negro's name up. I thought for a moment there that he was someone whose opinion mattered. Did he call for STK when his people were rioting and sacking Baltimore, MO, Oakland?
If I was looking for righteous white person, I certainly wouldn't look to this forum. This is a mirror site of Stormfront? To whom are you preaching this BS. The people here would love to exterminate.............MANKIND!
"This is a mirror site of Stormfront?"
No, not a mirror site... just your run-of-the-mill infestation.
They're here because ZH is about the only place on the Intertubes that hasn't yet kicked their sorry asses to the curb.
They're here because ZH is about the only place on the Intertubes that hasn't yet kicked their sorry asses to the curb.
I for one really can't stand some of the blatantly racist bullshit I see posted in the comments on this site. That said, it will be a very sad day in the history of the net when ZH, one of the last places where people can freely express themselves, goes mainstream and starts censoring comments because they might hurt someone's feelings.
If the racist BS bothers you do one of two things - ignore those comments (like I do) or go find another site where your sensitivity won't be disturbed. News Flash - people can, and will, be assholes no matter where you go . . . .
You seem to have misinterpreted my comment.
The lack of censorship is the reason I'm here.
. . . today Sherman could have burned Dixie down in a matter of hours . .
So Sherman took a month to burn down the south rather than a couple of hours . . . what's your point? Either way, what Sherman did in the south at the end of the "civil" war was one of the greatest crimes against humanity in the history of the USA. To make it worse they didn't even bother counting the dead . . . .
I'm not sure this is a fight the National Guard wants. Mostly they're a bunch of weekend warriors trying to get a few extra bucks and government benefits. What are they going to do? Call in air strikes? But to Montel's point... Shoot to kill? That's exactly what I want them to do against the rioters in Baltimore and Ferguson. Mow them down.
The lack of comprehension among the right wing is never ending! The WHOLE POINT of the Montel tweet was that that was Rush Limbaugh's sentiment: Mow down the (unarmed) protestors in Baltimore and Ferguson. The contrast of unarmed, non-treasonous people engaging in legal protest with these slack-jawed yokels threatening legal authority so they can steal public land was, evidently, lost on you...
So "protest" is burning down buildings, stealing shit, carrying out revenge killings, and destroying other peoples property? Gotcha. FYI, not "right wing" idiot.
So "protest" is burning down buildings, stealing shit, carrying out revenge killings, and destroying other peoples property?
LGP - Your description sure sounds a lot like what the US Military has been doing in the middle east and Afghanastan for the last decade or so! Maybe the chickenhawks who started all that shit need to start calling that a "protest" to justify their actions . . . .
The so called "protesters" in Ferguson and Baltimore were burning down and destroying other peoples private businesses...(other minorities businesses mind you)...innocent people that had nothing to do with the "protesters" grievances. This is beside the point that the niggers were doing it all only because they think a thug should be able to attack a cop without consequences. You're mentally defective.
Have to disagree. THe Ferguson protesters were of two kinds. One kind was reasonable people really tired of the jack boot of out of control police and a rigged system where the DA went through a sham grand jury to secure a non-indictment and pretend the system worked. The other kind was complete fucktards jumpin on amn excuse to loot.
in which classfication belongs the SWAT team that set fire to the auto zone (and we know this only because it was caught on tape)
When, exactly, did Rush call for that you lying sack of shit?
Its funny how the left are rabidly calling for "gun violence" while "right wing" militia groups are calling for peace.
Liberalism is a sick, sick disease.
Wow, what an out-of-control Stalinistic government! Can you imagine charging people with Arson when all they did was...um, set fires? Well. I mean, who wants to live in a fascist society where citizens can't set fires whereever they want? Probably the State will set up some sort of agency or..."department", that will oversee fire "safety". This "department of Fire" will probably tell you it's for your "protection" or something! PS: They weren't battling "invasive weeds", either. They were (according to witnesses pesent at the time, including a family member) covering upi their crime of poaching deer illegaly. Any post here tell you that?? (crickets)
If they were poaching deer, why weren't they charged with poaching deer? If the feds didn't charge them with poaching, why should we believe a rumor?
When Rudyspeaks, liars and morons listen.
Rudy must be Escrava Isaura's brother ......
By family member, you mean the 24 year old mentally unstable nephew recalling 11 year old memories from when he was 13? A witness ruled incompent but who's testimony was allowed anyways? And just FYI controlled burns are a part of ranch life. Maybe you should keep your city mouth shut about shit you know nothing about, .gov shill.
People are only starting to realize what is going on. The arson charge is irrelevant. People are being charged with bogus crimes all across this country. Look up Fusion Centers on the internet. There are now endless articles stating how wonderful these are. Not one article says they have people that go to a "problem" area and assume total command over law enforcement and elected officials. These are employees(bureaucrats)...they are not even elected officials. This is nuts and needs to go away. Once again the public has been conditioned to except this nonsense.
The judges have become Gods. They can allow what the jury hears and don't hear(when there is a jury) and therefore get the verdict they want. Go ahead and appeal....you might live long enough to see it go to court...in the mean time you will be in jail. Double jeopardy got redefined after 9/11. I don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out some of these advisers advised those appeal court judges what was definitely needed to be done. That's why the two convicted just want to go do their time. At this point they know the government is not going to stop. They just want to get it over with and go back to living their lives. There is a point when a person gets worn out.
There are some hugh issues here....the land use is a minor issue. I'm not sure at this point if the Bundies understand the big issues.
They were charged with terrorism. That alone tells you the government is spewing sewage here.
Hey shithead - they were charged with terrorism.
So many angles in this story. If the Feds were smart they'd take the high road, send in legal council and try to negotiate some sort of settlement to the immediate problem of occupying Fed (maybe, maybe not) property.
Drag it into court. Hash it out, and by this I mean States Rights. Settle this bullshit once and for all. The Fed would rather use this as a pry-bar to further hammer the powerless folks. BLM is about as Constitutional as Dept of Edjumacation, not so much.
But the Feds aren't known for their brain power.
Montel? Go fuck yourself with a de-burrer on a die grinder rotating at 24K.
Oh.... and Montel? Shit rolls downhill Mo-Fo. if you think Blacks have a raw deal now... then PRAY the shit never really hits the fan. Just sayin' .
States rights? This is about the rights of EVERY citizen of the United States of America. These dipshits have NO right to seize property paid for by every American citizen via our taxes. Now, if the rancher "patriots" want to start paying my taxes, then we can talk about them taking over land and property that I've helped pay for. Until that time, theyn need to get the fuck off that property owned by us all and respect the law as it stands for everyone.
They seem to be childish dickheads with no grasp of what government actually means. Instead, they just take what they want like spoiled yuppy children and think everybody should be right behind them because of course they are obviously right. They aren't right. They need to get the fuck off that government (AKA OUR LAND) and go back to their John Wayne and Chuck Norris film festivals...
Alphahammer: "This is about the rights of EVERY citizen of the United States of America. These dipshits have NO right to seize property paid for by every American citizen via our taxes."
Well, no. Typical of most all of your responses here on ZH, you choose to pick up the narrative 1/2 way through the story.
Figure it out.
"They seem to be childish dickheads with no grasp of what government actually means."
How strange. You fit that description perfectly.
Since you're such a pro war cocklicker, you can pay my taxes for war.
Since your such a pro welfare cocklicker, you can pay my taxes for welfare.
And before you say I'm pro-war, I actually am more protectionist in my military views, i.e. I don't support foreign bases or foreign aid. I also am against personal income tax and support a moral code of self-responsibility. But that won't stop you from making wild assumptions.
I just look at this mess as an opportunity for any sane level headed people there on the fed level to undo a lot of past wrongs. I doubt they'd come out smelling like absolute roses but to rush in and flatten these people would be the wrong move. The people in the building said they're not going anywhere.. fine. That gives the Feds time to formulate a non violent solution to this débâcle. You'd think with unlimited money and unlimited arms... the Fed would take the high road and try to settle this like adults.
These dipshits have NO right to seize property paid for by every American citizen via our taxes.
"Paid for by every American citizen"? I think not Alpha . . . . as with most of the "federal lands" in the west .gov simply appropriated it via "emminent domain" - i.e. they basically STOLE the land from the state it is in.
Taxes. Pffft. You and your ilk demand that they pay taxes. The kind that never stop coming, that never stop growing. Think about it, what is a 'Grazing Fee'? It is taxing the grass, dumb ass! The grass! Did the kindly BLM grow that grass? Did they water it? No. Then why should they tax it? There are literally millions upon millions of acres out there, where nobody lives, like Nevada and Eastern Oregon, that are utilized for producing Beef, Minerals and Timber. That is called 'productive activity'.
I think you need new kneepads.
Montel? Go fuck yourself with a de-burrer on a die grinder rotating at 24K.
I was going to say ... in the ass with a 2x4, but I like yours better.
Montel... Oprah's drag-queen second cousin.