Empires (Like the U.S.) Fall When Corruption Becomes Rampant

George Washington's picture

Widespread corruption destroys empires.

By way of example, corruption was one of the main causes of the collapse of the Roman Empire:

The Praetorian Guard—the emperor’s personal bodyguards—assassinated and installed new sovereigns at will, and once even auctioned the spot off to the highest bidder [and see this]. The political rot also extended to the Roman Senate, which failed to temper the excesses of the emperors due to its own widespread corruption and incompetence. As the situation worsened, civic pride waned and many Roman citizens lost trust in their leadership.

The Ottoman Empire started its decline when the sale of offices, bribery and corruption became widespreadIndeed:

Most historians point to "degenerate Sultans, incompetent Grand Viziers, debilitated and ill-equipped armies, corrupt officials, avaricious speculators, grasping enemies, and treacherous friends.

The Yuan Empire (led by the Mongols) also collapsed due to corruption:

The decline of the [the Yuan empire] was a result of a number of factors, these being incompetent and rivaling leaders, corruption, revolts, decadence, factional struggles, assassinations, external attacks, and disease.


Toward the end, corruption and the persecution became so severe that Muslim generals joined Han Chinese in rebelling against the Mongols.

Former history professor at the University of Alabama Larry Clayton notes:

The [Roman] republic evolved into an empire and the empire grew corrupt from its own tremendous power. There arose, like mushrooms after a long rain, self-indulgent vices driven by pride and power. An oft quoted observation noted:


“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely” wrote the English essayist and historian Lord Acton in 1887.


Long after the Roman Empire disappeared, other empires, notably the ones of France, England, and Spain began with the conquest and settlement of the New World. By the end of the nineteenth century, European nations had created economic, military and commercial empires across much of the globe.


Watching the rise and fall of empires is like watching a predictable ballet or opera, or even a Hollywood movie, all with distinct beginnings, middles, and ends, marked by triumph after triumph, crisis after crisis, and then the resolution of it all at the end. The curtain drops. The lights come on. The European empires lasted until the Second World War, and then crashed.




We come full circle to our question, “why do empires fall?” An empire falls when it becomes so self-important that it loses touch with the values that produced it. They begin to think they are destiny of the world.


There is a glowing sense of power that is irresistible, and those who get to the controls lose touch with the ancient virtues that gave their people their value and worth.

Indeed, an ancient Chinese principle holds that empires collapse when:

Corruption becomes rampant in the imperial court, and the empire begins to enter decline and instability.

(Indeed, Bastiat showed that corruption at the top leads to lawlessness among the people.)

As we've exhaustively documented, corruption is rampant in the the U.S. today.

In addition, widespread corruption leads to runaway inequality. Specifically, one of the biggest causes of runaway inequality is that the big banks are manipulating every market, and committing massive crimes.  Fraud disproportionately benefits the big banks, makes boom-bust cycles more severe, and otherwise harms the economy … all of which increase inequality and warp the market. These actions artificially redistribute wealth from honest, hard-working people to a handful of crooks.  And corrupt government officials have aided and abetted this.

Runaway inequality - in turn - leads to the fall of empires ... through unrest or revolution.

Indeed, inequality was .   In fact, inequality in America today is twice as bad as in ancient Rome , worse than it was in in Tsarist Russia, Gilded Age America, modern Egypt, Tunisia or Yemen, many banana republics in Latin America, and worse than experienced by slaves in 1774 colonial America.

Institutional corruption is also leading to a lack of trust ... which is collapsing the economy.

Indeed, the U.S.A. is following the pattern of ALL past empires as they declined:

  • They financialize their economy ... going from manufacturing to speculation
  • They incur very high levels of debt
  • They overreach in costly military adventures
  • They become arrogant and lazy
  • They collapse soon after their peak

No wonder the American Empire is starting to collapse ...

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honestann's picture

Collapse cannot occur soon enough.

strangewalk's picture

While this is all true, the article fails to explain that this time the corruption and rot in on a global scale--you can go practically anywhere today and it's just a bad as here, often even worse. What is more, the corruption has completely permeated the lower levels of society too--it is rotten from top to bottom and everywhere in between.

"Look! I will create new heavens, and a new earth"--Isaiah 65:17 

honestann's picture

I agree.  Which makes me feel even more happy I moved to the extreme boonies in the southern hemisphere 4 years ago.

Frankly, I enjoy living here 125km from the nearest human being so much that now I realize this location and self-sufficient lifestyle is the best choice even when the world isn't in such a crappy situation.

I'll bet this (tone/subtext) doesn't come through in my posts here in ZH, but whenever I start a browser and peer at what's happening on the rest of the planet, it feels like I am looking down on a planet from orbit high above (if not millions of miles away).  None of what's going on has any connection to me, except for (usually) the one day every month or three that I fly my little airplane to a tiny town to pick up mail from my PO Box and possibly buy a few spices or some treat (that I don't need because I raise and grow everything I need right here).

That's a very wonderful feeling, to feel totally disconnected.

Of course, I'm not 100% disconnected in the sense that global thermonuclear war and certain other extreme events might change things even here, extremely far away from anywhere that anyone cares about (or would nuke).

If the whole world crashes and burns, I literally don't need to leave here ever again.  I am that self-sufficient.  I knew I would love that feeling before I even started my effort to create this place, but it feels even more wonderful than I imagined.  I wish everyone could enjoy and appreciate such peace of mind (not to mention peace and quiet).

Some people hate my guts for being happy to see the world crash and burn.  They probably don't understand that my reason is my understanding that the ONLY possible way for the utter, total, complete, permeated through-and-through corruption to end is for the crash to happen.  I know good folks everywhere could and should be so vastly better off some time after the collapse, that the many pains, losses, discomforts and inconveniences during the collapse will be more than compensated for.

Of course, the collapse does not assure life will become better after the collapse, but at least that possibility exists.  Without a massive collapse, the possibility is zero for all practical purposes.  The current system must be washed away in order to wash away the entrenched corruption that permeates virtually everything today.

In the mean time, my colleagues and I are (metaphorically speaking) in the process of creating a new heaven and earth (in outer space), as well as a new intelligent (inorganic) "species", and a new us (by becoming 100% inorganic ourselves).  Actually, all that happens in reverse... we need to create inorganic consciousness before we can move into outer space (for many practical reason).  Let's just hope we finish "in time".

truthalwayswinsout's picture

Corruption in government is very easy to track. When government is simple and it is involved in the basics such as law enforcement (of basic common law crimes not the 1 million pages plus of law we have today), military defense, and maintenance of commercial market rules, etc. there is little room for corruption. 

But when government gets involved in just about everything and every part of your day and has welfare programs of all types (corporate and individual), that is when the corruption begins.

Notice how laws and bills are now thousands of pages and no one has the time of inclination to read them....that is corruption. Notice how every alleged good deed or program to fix a social ill simply turns into a money grab.... that is corruption. Obamacare is a prime example of corruption.

The only way to end such corruption is to pass a Constitutional Amendment that any bill or law can only be 2 pages front and back 12 pt type with 1/2 inch margins all around. The only way to end such corruption is to take the right to vote away from anyone who has taken welfare and not to give it back until the welfare is repaid. The only way is to pass term limits, balanced budgets, and have regular Citizen Constitutional Conventions every 25 years that can permanently remove politicians and federal judges and justices from office and simply repeal laws and programs on their own initiative. Those representatives to the Convention must never have held office or run for office of any kind and must pass a test on all aspects of government. Then they would be eligible for a lottery in each state to choose the participants. 

The small government that was envisioned when the Republic was formed has now morphed into the worst possible monster imaginable. This is because Progressive National Socialists have taken over. With all National Socialism there must be a race war and the Progressives have chosen the White Race.

Son of Loki's picture

Great article. I have nothing to add toa Five Star article.



JamaicaJim's picture



It already is Georgie.

Problem is, the vast majority of Americans don't care/are too dumb to see it/realize it, and cannot muster themselves to the right group strong enough to overthrow it<there ARE none>/realize it, and throw up their hands...

...and that is why it'll continue...........

for now............

ironmace's picture

Some trust fund prosecutor, got off-message at Yale thinks he's gonna run this up the flagpole? Make a name for himself? Maybe get elected some two-bit congressman from nowhere, with the result that Russia or China can suddenly start having, at our expense, all the advantages we enjoy here? No, I tell you. No, sir! Corruption charges! Corruption? Corruption is government intrusion into market efficiencies in the form of regulations. That's Milton Friedman. He got a goddamn Nobel Prize. We have laws against it precisely so we can get away with it. Corruption is our protection. Corruption keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are prancing around in here instead of fighting over scraps of meat out in the streets. Corruption is why we win.

Clowns on Acid's picture

QE money printing and massive and funded, illegal immigration is signs of peak corruption in US and Europe.

kenny500c's picture

Tons of "soft corruption" that never happened years ago because these programs did not exist. Example, a business goes to his local EDC and talks to a nice guy who happens to be his friend and gets a grant (not a loan) to help run his business.

The business fails, the borrower never pays back anything and the next grant gets approved somewhere.

Dorothea Binz's picture

Mexico hasn't even collapsed yet, so I'm not worrying about collapse on account of corruption. But corruption is rampant. 

Bemused Observer's picture

Empires fall when their people don't believe in them anymore. It's really that simple.

They start out inclusive, with nearly everyone "in the group". A few outliers perhaps, but they are few and far between. Those are the early days, the 'Golden Age' and everyone is full of patriotism and enthusiasm.

Next comes the consolidation, where the leaderships power starts to grow, and they begin reaching out, with trade and imperialism. Everyone still feels like part of the group, but the group is getting much larger, and the leaders are becoming more distant.

Then they start getting drawn into all kinds of conflicts and power-struggles with entities far removed from their home base. This is when the leadership gets away from its people...they become too engrossed in all these overseas adventures and start to neglect their obligations at home. They try to sell it to their people as some kind of shared 'sacrifice' that "we" must all make, but in fact they have really ceased to BE their country's leaders anymore. They often seem much more interested in what is going on elsewhere, even as their own people start to complain.

Eventually, as things deteriorate, the people lose faith, and cease thinking of these people as their leaders. Those leaders become an enemy to be fought or avoided, cooperation is withdrawn, and the people become sullen and unproductive. This is where we are now.

I can't think of a historical example of an empire that recovered from this point. It always ends in the dissolution of the empire. Because it is based on trust between the people who make up the empire, and once that is lost, it is never the same again. You can't get that same trust back again, ever.

Felix da Kat's picture

“From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
The cycle identifies eight stages of a process which demonstrates exactly how history tends to repeat itself. America finds itself in the seventh stage as it heads into the 2016 election, where it will decide whether or not to leap headlong into stage eight.

Kina's picture


If people are going to write long comments AND you want people to read them, use paragraphs, else Nobody will read you.

And too long, nobody will read them anyway.  Got something to say, post the important points.


I always scroll past long-winded comments.

max29's picture



And the good news for a USA  citizen is remarkable from Russia


From  ending the dollar hegemony thereby the wars in Afghanistan- Vietnam-Korea - Iraque -Lybia -Syria -Yemen and  ones to follow...

From     Russia with help  more help you can imagine or corrupt USA  Banks FedUS   Goverment  USA Corporatisme Fascisme deserves

All based on Being Non- Taxed and Being Non- Violable (simply avoid being violable and Taxed) so money/power in fraud rules the USA

From Russia and many americans might thank Russia later much later or even their up till their children if they are poisioned with GMO -Fluoride and Pills form their pharmaceuticals  Pfizer Merck a.o.

Even in a discovery serie about cars owners go for serving their country  as the utmost value of work and existence. If you get sheeple that far they are to be manipulated  to any extent. All carefully fed with Fluoride & other poisons GMO Weed Killers Weather modification and spiced up with US State Propaganda.

You need  any USa citizen to breed and live and feed this Fraud  and corruption in and on.

So no help is expected from a American.... only the outside can. Putin and Russia might be -it for any American as own corporate fascisme Oliarchs Militairy industry Banks and the FEd are. They only destroy.

They only destroy - see Damascus now in ruins 2016 and compare 10 years ago - a healthy vibrant city and citizens. They want it to be this way so they get it.

Money in Fraud - Corruption.   Money for nothing Fraud for free... Dire and Straight.

All what is done to end dollar- in -oil domination is saving lives and or quality of it of your and own children and own family.

Element's picture

Chew on this, dumbo.



"Lol. Russia with import substitution has sparked its economy meanwhile their inflation rate is fine unlike what western gloom doom idiots like you wants to believe."


Oh, you and your Russian troll delusion complex again? Well let's see what the worst case [economic] predictions are for Russia, and where Russia is actually traveling with respect to those:


Seeking Alpha:

Of Those Russian GDP 2016 Forecasts

Dec. 21, 2015  5:07 AM ET|

In my recent column for Slon.ru, I quipped that in the case of the Russian economy, forecasts for 2016 growth rates might just as well be taken from the fortune tellers, as there are too many moving factors driving the economy, all of which are virtually impossible to forecast.

Now, h/t to @JoMichell, we have a picture of "predictability" of one key driver of the Russian economy - oil prices. Please keep in mind, these are Brent prices (Urals grade predictability is even lower, as Urals-Brent spread is subject to further uncertainty, including geopolitical risks and substitution risks, as discussed in my Slon.ru column).

So, here is a chart showing IMF forecasts for Brent prices issued back in June 2015:

Note that in the above, the least probable downside scenario is for oil above USD 40 per barrel through 2015. Alas, the least probable forecast is not exactly the lower bound for reality:


So, here we have it: less than 6 months since the forecast was out, and the least probable worst-case scenario has been breached already. Good luck pinning Russian GDP forecasts down...



Prior Prediction:

Russia GDP to Shrink 3% in 2015, Economy Minister Says
Low Oil Prices, $115 Billion Capital Outflow Cited; Inflation Forecast Raised to 12%
By Olga Razumovskaya
Jan. 31, 2015 9:44 a.m. ET

Actual recession is far worse: GDP -4.1% Q3 2015 and Inflation (CPI) +12.9% 2015


So Russia's economy is already in deep trouble, and no one knows how far Gross Domestic Product will actually fall this year, or how bad its budget deficits will blow out, and reserves will be hurt.

But it will apparently fall well below the IMF's worst case predictions from seven months ago. No one even thinks they can determine how bad the economic and financial damage will become.

The really telling thing about the Russian economic data present on the 'Economy of Russia' Wiki Page is the systematic exclusion of data from the points beyond where it began to sharply drop, in recent years, such is the state of systematic denial and attempts to hide the sharp nature of the economic contraction.


        "A spoon full of sugar makes helps medicine go down" - Mary Poppins

cheech_wizard's picture

Mirrors would do well to reflect further.




Cost of living in Russia is 48.17% lower than in United States (aggregate data for all cities, rent is not taken into account). Rent in Russia is 55.45% lower than in United States (average data for all cities).

Standard Disclaimer: If the fallacy fits...


Vendetta's picture

I wonder how the cops and military will feel when their pensions are disintegrated by the pols.. will they keep protecting them?

JohnGaltsChild's picture

Boy, that Titanic sure had a great band didn't it?


good timing, really good timing. Fri, 01/08/1976 - 21:12   ; )

just like clockwork

RevIdahoSpud3's picture

The last week for me has been one of introspection. I have had hours available to read ZH articles and comments, from morning to wee hours in the night. I reflect on conditions that are covered around the globe, the US, and regional items such as the situation in  Oregon. It's amazing that even where I live in South Idaho, the politics and corruption reflect the conditions across the country and globe in some instances.

It has dawned on me today that government IS NOT CORRUPT! Government is just a tool. It is no different than a car or gun. Government in itself is not inherently evil. Government is available to be used, by men, to do good or evil. Like a car, that can transport us to enhance our lives or it can be used to run someone down. A gun also has positive or negative outcomes depending on who is operating it. So government, as an institution is a mechanism that can be used for good or evil. It depends on who and what individual is in a position of government. The outcome of government depends on WHO in government it in control? If you want better government run for office. Run for city council, county commissioner, state representative, congressional delegate.

I own guns. I have been preparing for a meltdown. My guns will be worthless against government forces. They will only serve me against local mayhem. In order to get "government" under control, good people must run for office.

chicmagnet's picture

That is exactly what I did. It all starts at the local level. Currently I am puting an end to the ZBA good ole boys network. Shaking things up like a mini Trump

12357111317's picture

I agree.  And good people must vote and work on the political campaigns of good people running for office, because the first thing anyone must consider when trying to decide whether or not to run for office - since running for office costs time and money - is whether he has a chance of getting elected.

At the local level, in every election, I am always able to find at least one good person running for office.  At the national level, there often seem to be no good people left by the time the general election occurs, but local government is as important as national government. 

Also, at the national level, there usually seems to be at least one good person running in every primary, so it is very important to vote in the primary.

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

123, is it??..planned parent hood is your idol, most likely public tv as well..

both can exsist without our tax dollars..but corruption and control go hand in hand. they bleed the tax dollars & get special benefits granted by .gov and are LOUD supporters of politicians with .gov money to spend on things such as politics, not health care, or tv programing. their function more resembles money laundering (tax dollars) than anything else.

.gov picking winners is OK by you. FUCK YOU.

12357111317's picture

For every penny the government gives Planned Parenthood, it gives Big Military a thousand dollars.  It gives Big Banks a thousand dollars.  It gives Big Oil, Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Real Estate, hundreds of dollars.

So "government picks winners" of its thousand-dollar prizes, and its hundred-dollar prizes, and its one-penny prize, Planned Parenthood.

If I am trying to balance the budget, which "winner" do I stop giving money to?? 

The thousand-dollar "winners"? 

The hundred-dollar "winners"? 

Or the one-penny "winner"?

Vendetta's picture

Pure corruption breeds pure tools.   It only takes a lack of integrity, ethics and principles to become a tool.

frankly scarlet's picture

That's how Rome disintegrated...the ruling class and law became so corrupted and self serving the people would not serve to protect the state and in fact the people got a better deal from the invaders.

WTFUD's picture

It's becoming increasingly difficult to drive in Any direction and not feel like you're in a 3rd world country.

Furthermore a Lawnmower and not a baseball bat would be the fitting tool to set about Hillary's Cunt.

12357111317's picture

I think it was George Carlin who said, "they're all just salesmen".  Hillary is a salesman too. 

I dislike Hillary, but I dislike some of the Republican candidates even more.  At least, with Hillary, we probably won't shut down Planned Parenthood.  Many of the Republican candidates have already bragged about what they have already done to shut down Planned Parenthood. 

Remember, the more children, the more population, and as Thomas Jefferson said, "when we are as crowded into Cities as the people of Europe, we will have as few freedoms as the people of Europe".

I think Donald Trump is the only Republican candidate who said that he thinks Planned Parenthood does good things.

SmallerGovNow2's picture

Fuck planned parenthood.  Give your own money to the organization and quit taking mine with the point of a gun...

12357111317's picture

"Fuck planned parenthood" is ironic.  :-)

A lot more of my money is taken at the point of a gun and given to oh-so-poor families who keep having babies although they know they can't afford them.  NOT having those babies takes a LOT less of my money at the point of a gun than having them.

WTFUD's picture

P.S. What Radical says!

Radical Marijuana's picture

The established systems must FIRST drive their own mad self-destruction, BEFORE any resistance can become sufficient. The debt slavery systems generate numbers which increasingly become debt insanities. Crazier and crazier corruption develops due to the degree that all sociopolitical institutions end up being dominated by the best available professional hypocrites, the most dangerous of which believe in their own bullshit.

The degree to which almost everyone deliberately ignores and/or misunderstands the basic laws of physics, due to the established systems depending upon continuing the vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS, becomes greater and greater, since the only ways that those system can respond is to double down on backing up their lies with violence. Every empire became biggest and best organized systems of lies operating robberies. The rise and fall of those empires are due to the tragic trajectory driven by the basic mechanisms that being able to enforce frauds never stops those frauds from still being false. The political economy that was originally based upon being able to enforce frauds develops increasingly paradoxical final failures from too much success, since too much successfully enforcing frauds necessarily become more psychotically detached from the fundamentals that those frauds were false.

"They financialize their economy ... going from manufacturing to speculation" due to the excessive successfulness of that financialization being based on enforcing frauds, which necessarily drives the crazy corruption due to those frauds still being fundamentally false. Meanwhile, since those actually doing that become the best available professional hypocrites, whose careers were based upon bullshit, it becomes politically impossible for those systems to pull out of their own vicious spirals.

The most important reasons for how and why empires collapse are due to the vicious spirals of excessive success, through being able to back up lies with violence, eventually becoming runaway criminal insanities. THAT IS WAY MORE PROFOUND THAN ALMOST ANYONE IS ABLE TO FULLY COMPREHEND, DUE TO EVERYONE HAVING LIVED INSIDE SYSTEMS BASED UPON ENFORCING FRAUDS FOR MANY GENERATIONS.

Civilization in general, with the biggest empires merely being the most extreme examples of that, is dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, which become as absurdly backwards as possible. Financialization, as the runaway excessive successfulness based upon enforcing frauds, requires that everyone adapt to living INSIDE those systems, while the most socially successful at doing that become the best available professional hypocrites, who are therefore the least able to understand the degree to which basing everything on enforcing frauds requires deliberately ignoring the principle of the conservation of energy as much as possible, while also misunderstanding the concept of entropy in the most absurdly backward ways.

The dominance of the biggest bullies' bullshit operates throughout the dominate natural languages and philosophy of science, that everyone is using to think with and communicate through. Therefore, everyone becomes a professional hypocrite, and bullshit themselves, as well as others. Human beings and civilization are manifestations of general energy systems, that operate through unitary mechanisms. However, the dominate languages that everyone uses to talk about everything are based upon the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals.

Those are the ways that almost everyone thinks and discusses their economic systems, in almost totally bullshit ways, that are impossible to reconcile with the surrounding evolutionary ecologies, despite that those human systems actually are evolutionary ecologies, nested inside of other evolutionary ecologies. Human beings and civilization operate as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows. HOWEVER, the social successfulness based on being able to back up lies with violence, becoming integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which now is first and foremost the financialization based upon governments enforcing frauds by private banks, has resulted in the ways that people think and discuss political economy becoming almost totally that of PROFESSIONAL HYPOCRITES' BULLSHIT!

What has been happening is the exponential growth of an oxymoronic scientific dictatorship, based upon exponential progress in physical science, NONE of which has been allowed to transform political science, by that political science integrating and surpassing the profound paradigm shifts which have already been achieved in physical science. Since all sociopolitical systems were based upon their dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies, all those institutions have been selected for the best available professional hypocrites to dominate and control those institutions.

The essential nature of those professional hypocrites is the degree to which they believe in the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. That applies just as much to those people in the layers of the controlled opposition groups that surround the core of organized crime Deep State Shadow Governments. Hence, almost all of the so-called opposition to the economy being dominated by the central banks, as the foremost institutions that operate through governments enforcing frauds by those privately controlled banks, CONTINUES TO THINK ABOUT ECONOMICS IN ABSURDLY BACKWARD WAYS.


One may initially think that it should be easier, and indeed obvious, that human beings and civilization could, should and would understand themselves better as manifestations of general energy systems, since those are the ways that science has progressed to understand everything else. However, a deeper understanding of how and why human beings and civilization operate as general energy systems ACTUALLY provides the theoretical basis to comprehend the empirical observations that civilization has become almost totally dominated by the biggest forms of organized crime, being controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, which are currently the bankster controlled governments, which are engaged in runaway financialization, based upon being able to enforce frauds, which automatically becomes worsening crazy corruption, since those frauds are thereby drive to become ever more psychotically false!

The underlying mechanisms have been that natural selection pressures were internalized as artificial selection systems, which were driven by those natural selection pressures to become based upon the maximum possible deceits and frauds. Human beings, as soon as we perceive and define them as separate from their environment and each other must necessarily live as gangs of robbers. The biggest and best organized gangs of robbers are those entities which we label as empires.

The biggest bullies' bullshit that dominates those empires becomes the ways that people think and discuss everything those empires do. Hence, we are living inside of Wonderland Matrix Bizarro Worlds, where everything is presented in the most absurdly backward ways possible. The sociopolitical successfulness of the runaway financialization, due to public governments enforcing frauds by private banks, becomes excessively successful, and hence the basic realities that civilization operates according to the principles and methods of organized crime become runaway criminal insanities, i.e., runaway crazy corruption!

AGAIN & AGAIN, MORE & MORE, since the entire political economy becomes based upon public governments enforcing frauds by private banks, that society becomes almost totally dominated by professional hypocrites, AND that includes the controlled opposition groups, just as much as the central core of various groups operating that enforcement of frauds, through the combined murder/money systems. That is the context INSIDE of which the series of articles from George Washington are republished on Zero Hedge, as well as how and why almost all of the other content presents superficially correct analysis, leading to various superficial "solutions."


... the U.S.A. is following the pattern of ALL past empires as they declined ...

HOWEVER, what is different this time is the prodigious progress of physical science, enabling the development of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic bombs. There is NOTHING remotely like that in previous human history. Indeed, the only events in the history of the evolution of life that correspond to that were the development of photosynthesis, which drove the most profound revolutions in that evolution of life which there have ever yet been.

Despite it always been the same energy that flows through, (hence, there actually are unitary mechanisms) most people want to continue to rely upon think using the dichotomy between the productive/prey people, versus the predatory/parasite people, within the overall human systems. However, thinking in that way then makes it impossible to reconcile human energy systems with the surrounding environmental energy systems. Indeed, I suggest that one should attempt to study and combine the work of Al Bartlett and William Catton, regarding the exponential growth of the total human population and activities rushing as fast as possible towards overshoot in a nutshell! While a few of the articles republished on Zero Hedge somewhat address that, such as those by Gail Tverberg, mostly those continue to be relatively too superficial, due to the degree that people generally do not recognize that the political economy is INSIDE the human ecology, and therefore, the debt controls were INSIDE the death controls.

I REPEAT, the fundamental forces driving the collapses of empires are the SAME as those which originally built those empires. The essential political problems we face are due to the degree that all of our artificial selection systems are operated by the best available professional hypocrites, which includes the layers of controlled opposition groups just as much as those towards the core of the organized crime groups operating as the bankster controlled governments. In the most profound ways possible, almost everyone is thinking about those issues in the most absurdly backward ways possible, due to the degree that the biggest bullies' bullshit dominated everything, including the ways that people think, and the languages that they communicate through. While the runaway debt slavery driving the development of debt insanities is already baked into the cake, the main problems for the future are going to become the ways that those debt insanities provoke death insanities, which have the theoretical potential to become more than trillions of times worse than ever before in human history!

It no longer appears to be politically possible for any "reforms" to be implemented to prevent the runaway crazy corruption from causing severe social storms to blow through, resulting in some crazy collapses into chaos. Rather, the only things that appear to be remotely possible are efforts to mitigate that, and perhaps recover better from that, which is why I recommend series of intellectual scientific revolutions, that apply to political science. The essential nature of the unprecedented political problems we face are the growing Grand Canyon Chasms, getting wider and WIDER, between progress in physical science, without any progress in political science. That is due to all sociopolitical systems ending up being so totally dominated by the best available professional hypocrites, that it has become politically impossible for them to reconsider their own bullshit.

Meanwhile, there is a lot of nostalgic nonsense published on Zero Hedge, which continues to be based on thinking that the world is still the same now as when there were only paper frauds, backed by gunpowder weapons, rather than there now exist globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic weapons. Furthermore, there are lots and lots of other kinds of nostalgic nonsense, which relies upon various old-fashioned ideas, which make no intellectual efforts to come to terms with the development of physical science, and even less to come to terms with the degree to which the history of philosophy of science was forced to compromise with the biggest bullies' bullshit world views.

Corruption became rampant when the systems of public governments enforcing frauds by private banks became established, which was a few Centuries ago in the case of the Bank of England, while a Century ago in the case of the American Federal Reserve Board. In general, the international bankers, as the biggest gangsters, or the banksters, were able to apply the methods of organized crime throughout all NATO countries, while the core of that has developed as the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire, which is engaged in criminally insane attempts to consolidate their global hegemony over the world's combined murder/money systems, despite those all being based upon enforcing frauds, in ways which never stop those frauds from still being false, and therefore, becoming increasingly psychotic, due to the inherent sets of consistent contradictions that arise because human beings and civilization operate as entropic pumps of environmental energy flows, in ways which are paradoxically based upon as much deliberate public ignorance and misunderstanding regard themselves doing that as was possible to develop through the history of social successfulness based upon being able to back up lies with violence.

Empires are usually not destroyed from the outside until they have already destroyed themselves from the inside. The Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire was most based upon the history of bankster controlled governments being able to enforce frauds. More effectively coming to terms with those developments can NOT be adequately done while continuing to operate within the same old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals, which the best professional hypocrites originally developed to become better able to continue to be professional hypocrites. As long as most of those in the various controlled opposition groups continue to think about the political economy in ways which do not adequately connect that to the human ecology, so that the human population and activities in general could be better connected with the overall environmental ecologies, then we will continue to have bogus "solutions" that actually cause the opposite to happen in the real world.

Essentially, the issues are to develop better artificial selection systems, within the overall context of natural selection. However, the main obstacles to doing that have been how and why those natural selection pressures drove the development of artificial selection systems to become based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, and therefore, for all sociopolitical institutions to be dominated by the best professional hypocrites, amongst whom the single most significant example are the central bankers. While a great many articles and comments published upon Zero Hedge have recognized and provided superficially correct analysis of those problems, there is generally nothing that follows that but similarly superficial bogus "solutions" based upon nostalgic nonsense, due to still thinking using the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies, in absurdly backward ways.

IF, IF, IF, a technologically based civilization is going to survive itself developing technologies that become trillions of times more powerful and capable, then that will take series of intellectual scientific revolutions being applied through political science, in ways whereby unitary mechanisms replace false fundamental dichotomies, so that the genuine solutions become more scientific, rather than continue to be based upon impossible ideals, promoted by professional hypocrites. However, that will continue to be politically impossible as long as the opposition to the empire still thinks in the same bullshit ways that the empire originally developed. IF, IF, IF there is going to emerge any real revolution in response to the collapse of an empire, then that should be based upon revolutions in the ways that people think.

Such revolutions have already happened in physical science. However, so far, nothing like that has been allowed to happen in the area of political science, due to the most significant forms of social science and engineering having been successful warfare based upon backing up deceits with destruction, morphing to become successful finance based upon enforcing frauds. As long as those established systems continue to be almost totally dominated by the best available professional hypocrites, then the result will be that they continue to drive their own self-destruction, due to the degree to which their enforcing frauds becomes more psychotically false. At the present, we are stuck inside that predicament, while those ruts get deeper and deeper, without any apparent ways to get out of those ruts, other than to eventually wear their bottoms out ... However, the collapse of systems of globalized electronic frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic bombs, has nothing in human history to adequately compare that to!

KashNCarry's picture

Dominant systems, languages, etc...

LawsofPhysics's picture

Allow me to simplify all that mental masterbation;

That which cannot be sustained, won't be.

We are indeed walking around on the bones of our relatives and the extinct species that came before us. Time is the only "gift" you get. What you do with that time is up to you. Scientific innovation requires tremendous ENERGY, capital and resources to get from the bench to the market. Remind me, how has humanity been investing the those things?

Now jump you fuckers!!!

12357111317's picture

I think New Jersey has been investing in casinos.  And the Republican candidates, with the exception of Donald Trump, have been investing in trips to visit casino owner Sheldon Adelson.

Radical Marijuana's picture

 What is not sustainable is civilization being controlled through enforcing frauds, which automatically become more psychotically false. The only things that could possibly be more sustainable would require that the different death control systems become the central core, or keystone to any possible systems of alternatives, or the lynch pin to hold together the components of those alternative systems.

 As the established systems of debt slavery increasingly drive their numbers to become debt insanities, those will provoke death insanities. That in turn may drive more people to have to think differently. In proportion to the degree to which the American Empire collapses, then especially the American police and military will surely be ordered to impose democidal martial law, and that will drive those people to have to rethink what the hell they are doing!

Previously, human history has tended to be periods of relatively stable empire, that eventually degenerated and collapsed into chaos, out of which circumstances eventually emerged some new empire. However, there has never been a globalized empire before, whose collapses into chaos could become many orders of magnitude more serious. At the same time, there has never before been the overwhelming exponential progress in physical science and technologies, which provides an abundance of possible creative alternatives, which could theoretically be assembled into systems which were relatively more sustainable. The main obstacles in the way are that all the established systems are dominated by the best available professional hypocrites, including within all the publicly significant controlled opposition groups. There is tremendous ENERGY available, which is orders of magnitude greater than human beings are yet using, primarily because of the ways that the industrial revolutions have been directed to develop through applications of the methods of organized crime. E.g., the single most important organic chemical, ethanol, was criminalized, and similarly, the single best plant, hemp, was also criminalized, during the history of the industrial revolutions, by the systems based upon backing up lies with violence having decided to do that, for their own evil, ulterior purposes. Greater use of energy simultaneously means greater use of information. However, sociopolitical systems based upon enforcing frauds can NOT do that. Rather, systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence require attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance, which are the main reasons why more energy could not be more intelligently used. The double whammy paradoxes we face are that there MUST be some death control systems, and there ARE. However, those developed to be most socially successful when done through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, which kind of human ecology then enabled political economy to become based on public governments enforcing frauds by privately controlled banks, which systems of "money" made out of nothing as debts then drove every economic decision to be made through those fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems. It is merely teleological to assert that: "That which cannot be sustained, won't be."
What I have primarily done with my time, since I was a teenager 50 years ago, and first recognized that I had been born into social systems which were based upon exponential economic growth, backed by weapons of mass destruction, is attempt to develop ways to think about that which MIGHT be able to enable civilization to survive the consequences of having done that! In the end, that may turn out to have been nothing but mental masturbation, in the sense of intellectual activity that served no purpose. However, IF that turns out to be the case, then technologically based civilization will have collapsed so totally, that it will have committed collective suicide, and the human species will have made itself go extinct. There are NO ways to avoid the EXISTENCE of globalized electronic frauds backed by atomic bombs, although the vast majority of people have managed to somehow not think more deeply about those, but rather, still cruise on autopilot, taking for granted whatever old-fashioned bullshit religions and ideologies that they want to continue to believe. Meanwhile, natural selection pressures drove the development of the existing artificial selection systems, and natural selection is still the back-up systems that will force changes in the artificial selection systems. Human beings are going to be forced to go through radical changes in their death control systems, in one way or another, sooner or later. I do NOT regard it as merely mental masturbation to think about that! Indeed, the main manifestations of the collapse of the USA would be that its debt insanities provoked death insanities, which would mean that such collapsing into chaos, and severe social storms blowing through, would require the American police and military to up their game to become more significant ways that they attempted to maintain social control through imposing democidal martial law. If there is anybody who should think differently about what they are doing, or will have to do, it is those people! Meanwhile, at any time, some weapons of mass destruction could be significantly used by somebody, (most likely as some false flag attack, but not necessarily so) which would then change everything more than we could fully imagine. The world has mostly be cruising on the autopilot of morbid sociopolitical habits, whereby more and more, worse and worse, weapons of mass destruction have been developed, BUT, so far, never significantly deployed. So far, the precarious MAD Mutual Assured Destruction policies have been able to continue to back up the MAD Money As Debt policies, despite both of those automatically becoming more psychotic everyday, in every way.  Given those basic FACTS, it may well turn out to have been nothing more than mental masturbation to worry about how civilization could develop better death control systems, to back up better debt control systems, in order to adequately replace and sufficiently substitute for those MAD systems which currently exist. But nevertheless, there continues to be nothing which has more intellectual integrity than to attempt to better understand the combined money/murder systems, and that is even more so due to the degree to which those have become private bank frauds enforced by public governments, in ways where the vast majority of people do not understand those, while those operating those systems are professional hypocrites who never publicly admit and address what they are doing through those means. That the ruling classes are increasingly psychotic psychopaths, while those they rule over are increasingly impotent, incompetent political idiots, surely does make it look like it is nothing more than useless mental masturbation to try to understand the combined money/murder systems better, since neither the ruling classes, nor those they rule over, actually are willing and able to do that, but rather, they tend to adamantly want to continue to believe in the bullshit that believe in, and therefore, to continue to spout that same bullshit, as the basis for their bogus "solutions," which deliberately do not understand the problems, but rather deliberately misunderstand those problems in the most absurdly backward ways.

When someone on Zerohedge says "jump you fuckers" they are referring, perhaps unknowingly, to Gene Burnett's tune that became popular during Occupy Wall Street:


You and I have had a few conversations about agriculture related things and I'm thinking specifically of one where I said, as a farmer, I saw the day I might be defending the family farm but rapidly running out of ammunition, and one where GSwifty (?) linked to some historical context of agriculture as the foundation of banking itself in the form of stored produce (grain banks), which certainly altered the trajectory of neolithic civilization.

poor LawsOfPhysics. The abrassiveness and the insults remind me of Jamie*that's why I'm richer than you*Dimon  and Lloyd*doing god's work*Blankfein!


Radical Marijuana's picture

Thanks for the link to that music video.

I had not previously listened to that ...


MEAN BUSINESS, did you notice that

George Washington posted this too?

Still Rocking … 30 Years Later

Very welcome Rad. My fav line from that is :

"the bottom line is closer than you think. Jump you fuckers!" LMAO! (very Fukin'News-esque!)

As for funnies, I saw that George Washington link *UP*thread ^^^ and replied with a link (the same link I replied to your New Years Eve comment on the most popular Zerohedge articles: WOW) and GW didn't reply. The funny thing is later, downthread, when I was playing on themes with the comment by JohnGaltsChild , George replied again with the same link??? 

Funny. Anywho, the Eugene Levy skit from R40 Toronto is hillarious - check it out!

p.s. I'll try to dig up that gswifty link. Rock on Rad!

Victory_Garden's picture

Rad, Good One, in a not so succubulary way, one can only bow down in respectful appreciation for the intelligence in your long written expressions. Notwithstanding, the mighty amounts of words are sometimes, well, truly being a reading trooper only makes us all better comprehenders of the massive insanity as well descripted and displayed by you, the Good Soul(Ka) you are.

Long rant short, thank you, for knowing that there are good and very intelligent souls like you on the side of the those who care from a humanitarian aspect, as opposed to an evil one, and seem to consciously have concerns for the future of the world of biobots, is a heartening vibration to 5-d embrace. It is just good to know you are on board, in true G-2 form.

Bless'ed are the Peacmakers.




Radical Marijuana's picture

What could be sustained are radically different human ecologies. However, that would require radically different death control systems. The main reasons why we are headed towards crazy collapses into chaos are that the established systems are based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which almost totally get away with doing that, due to the long history of backing up lies with violence resulting in social pyramid systems that have small ruling classes who are increasingly psychotic psychopaths, thereby dominating those they rule over, who have become increasingly incompetent political idiots. Hence, the American democratic republic operating through the rule of law has become nothing more than a cruel joke, since what actually exists has become about 99% bankster controlled government.

Due to the degree that it is therefore politically impossible to adapt any better, we are stuck inside vicious spirals of political funding enforcing frauds. The excessive successfulness of which has resulted in there being almost nothing but various controlled opposition groups, which do NOT scientifically admit and address the central issues of the human death controls in general, especially NOT the murder systems in particular. In the case of the USA, its military murder systems have more and more become wars based on deceits, backing up the debt slavery systems, with the most spectacular symbol of that, so far, being that the Deep State Shadow Government that controls the public government of the USA, was responsible for the events on 9/11/2001, as inside job, false flag attacks, which were deliberately designed by those ruling classes in order to drive those ruled over to agree to the self-fulfilling prophesies of "War on Terror," in order to start more genocidal wars, as well as prepare to impose democidal martial law on Americans.

The USA apparently wasted trillions upon trillions of dollars:

  • They incur very high levels of debt
  • They overreach in costly military adventures

Since both the human ecology and political economy are wildly out-of-control, due to only being controlled through backing up deceits with destruction and enforcing frauds, all of the rest of any possible developments of better industrial ecologies, along with being better integrated within natural ecologies, appear to currently be politically impossible. What is NOT sustainable are sociopolitical systems based on being able to back up lies with violence being amplified to astronomical sizes by technologies that have become trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history!

I do not agree with the insult, which is not even spelled correcting, regarding those ideas being nothing more than "mental masterbation." The Urban Dictionary defines "mental masturbation" as intellectual activity that serves no practical purpose.

There is no other intellectual activity that serves a more practical purpose than to attempt to understand the combined money/murder systems. Nothing is more important than to recognize how and why militarism, as the ideology of the murder system, is the supreme ideology, which has become even more supreme after the development of weapons of mass destruction. The most important intellectual activity possible would be to go through really radical, profound paradigm shifts in the ways that we perceive the death control systems in general, and especially the human murder systems in particular!

George Washington's picture

Postscript ...

Spending $5 trillion dollars on imperial wars of adventure which make us less safe than ever is also destroying the economy ... and America's prestige.

And throwing trillions more at banks which committed massive and systemic fraud is killing the economy ... and the belief in a free market economy in the U.S.

taoJones's picture

True George, but given what we know now, it's hard to believe those 2 financial excesses are not by design, ie. to line the pockets of a select few, and to he'll with everyone & everything else.

nathan1234's picture

Rather, to be precise, THE GREATEST EVER BANK ROBBERY ORGANISED BY A BANK AND ITS OWNERS in the history of Mankind

12357111317's picture

The Great Bank Robbery is like unto a sociopathic narcissistic glutton who, over many years, profited by dumping more and more water into a river, and who watched the river get higher and higher, and who, when the river finally overflowed its banks and wiped out the poor people's neighborhoods, got the government to rescue, not the poor people, but the glutton, who then dumped even more water into the river and wiped out the poor people's neighborhoods again.  The glutton did this because he saw himself, not as a sociopathic narcissistic glutton, but as an innocent victim, because that's the way sociopathic narcissistic gluttons see themselves.

tncaver's picture

I down vote Ghordius all the time cause he is a such an EU cheerleading weasel and I wish the rest of y'all would do the same and then maybe he would take his pathetic facist EU loving ass out of these forum. It makes me sick when Europeans allow and even encourage the Muslim invasion. One day these traitors like Ghordius will be found hanging from lamppost if there is any justice.

rhadamanthus's picture

The Empire never ended.