Oregon Standoff: Isolated Event Or Sign Of Things To Come?
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,
The nation's attention turned to Oregon this week when a group calling itself Citizens for Constitutional Freedom seized control of part of a federal wildlife refuge. The citizens were protesting the harsh sentences given to members of the Hammond ranching family. The Hammonds were accused of allowing fires set on their property to spread onto federal land.
The Hammonds were prosecuted under a federal terrorism statute. This may seem odd, but many prosecutors are stretching the definition of terrorism in order to, as was the case here, apply the mandatory minimum sentences or otherwise violate defendants’ constitutional rights. The first judge to hear the case refused to grant the government’s sentencing request, saying his conscience was shocked by the thought of applying the mandatory minimums to the Hammonds. Fortunately for the government, it was able to appeal the decision to judges whose consciences were not shocked by draconian sentences.
Sadly, but not surprisingly, some progressives who normally support civil liberties have called for the government to use deadly force to end the occupation at the refuge. These progressives are the mirror image of conservatives who (properly) attack gun control and the PATRIOT Act as tyrannical, yet support the use of police-state tactics against unpopular groups such as Muslims.
Even some libertarians have joined the attacks on the ranchers. These libertarians say ranchers like the Hammonds are “corporate welfare queens” because they graze their cattle on federal lands. However, since the federal government is the largest landholder in many western states, the ranchers may not have other viable alternatives. As the Oregon standoff shows, ranchers hardly have the same type of cozy relationship with the government that is enjoyed by true corporate welfare queens like military contractors and big banks. Many ranchers actually want control of federally-held land returned to the states or sold to private owners.
Situations like the one in Oregon could become commonplace as the continued failure of Keynesian economics and militaristic foreign policy is used to justify expanding government power. These new power grabs will increase the threats to our personal and economic security. The resulting chaos will cause many more Americans to resist government policies, with some even turning to violence, while the burden of government regulations and taxes will lead to a growing black market. The government will respond by becoming even more authoritarian, which will lead to further unrest.
Fortunately, we still have time to reverse course. The Internet makes it easier than ever to spark the ideas of liberty and grow the liberty movement. Spreading the truth and making sure we can care for ourselves and our families in the event of an economic collapse must be our priorities.
We must help more progressives understand that allowing the government to run the economy not only leads to authoritarianism, it impoverishes the lower classes and enriches the elites. We must also show conservatives that militarism abroad inevitably leads to tyranny at home. We also need to continue exposing how the Federal Reserve feeds the welfare-warfare state while increasing economic instability and income inequality. This week’s Senate vote on Audit the Fed is important to our efforts to help the American people learn the full truth about our monetary system.
One thing my years in Washington taught me is that most politicians are followers, not leaders. Therefore we should not waste time and resources trying to educate politicians. Politicians will not support individual liberty and limited government unless and until they are forced to do so by the people.
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Dr. Ron Paul, the best leader the world never had.
End the Fed. That would end the wars, debt and deficits; lying down to the Rothschild led City of London, and its pet: genocidal, thieving Israhell.
They are flailing badly on their "common sense" gun control propaganda. Twenty percent of Dems are ready to vote for Trump. Expect colossal temper tantrums from the Fedcoats.
Tramp serves Israel first. Demoncrap contenders do too. The USA is being mugged, and the world is being ruined as a result.
Haven't seen much evidence that Trump's alegiance is to Isreal. Maybe you could point me to it. Yes, I'm aware that his son married into it.
Whats funny about trumpsters, is the glaring lack of intelligence or reality.
http://youtu.be/G59mNNfLZx8
The Commander-n-Thief of all the military forces in the US (Obama) will expand his federal loan obligation to TEN TRILLION DOLLARS before he leaves office.
As of right now he doesn't think it's a personal liability on his part for signing the actual loan documents.
But law can "Change" ;-)
Moving the goalposts again? Not surprising.
I didn't move goalposts or change the rules of the game, I intercepted the ball thrown by your QB and ran it back the other way for a touchdown. The pass attempt was to score a quck denigration of his reputation or provide some ulterior motive for the pass route he ran, wasn't it?
Well, so was mine ;-)
W W !
The first "W" is "Worthless".
At 6% interest.
Oh OK, that makes it look a lot better.
Too much hype. The thing in Oregon is basically the same as a bunch of college students having a sit-in on the quad. Except with guns and pizza.
"Basically the same". Except for the guns. Those make a lot of difference, it seems to me. Depending on various folks being willing to point them and pull triggers, of course, always hard to judge, even for the guy holding the gun.
Yeah, those make a difference in possible outcomes.
Otherwise, basically the same.
Unpopular groups like Muslims? Really....unpopular? That's what he thinks its about with Muslims, is their popularity? This doesn't strengthen his arguments, many of which I agree with.
Yes, 'unpopularity of Muslims'. Entirely generated by TPTB via MSM incessant framing of every event.
Not to say they are, as individuals, perfect. But merel fellow humans imperfect in their own way, and for the most part people you would like.
That is part of assuming that every news story is either staged in some way and/or framed to generate emotion in your mind that guides it in ways favorable to TPTB.
Never assume news stories are not layered. Think of measures for checking, e.g. the future of the police chief of Cologne. If he settles into a better position in a few months, it was a staged event.
Are young Arab men idiots when it comes to dealing with women outside their culture? NO, not in Turkey, Syria, etc. There are a ton of blogs about women traveling alone through Muslim countries, no problem at all.
And on the other hand, my Russian friends say that Chechans were not fun to be around even in Moscow, they were never comfortable.
So why Cologne?
Again, just people, look for the causes and fix those, use the best of what you have. Exploit them, that is what they came for. There are tons of things society needs doing, get them done. And do it in a way that builds bridges between the cultures rather than moats like Israel wants.
There is no gd reason to make a worse future when it doesn't take much thinking or work or organization to make a much better one. Not perfect, so few are, but better.
That is not social engineering, but work gangs that pay and educate with incentives for good behavior and penalties for bad. Don't even have to use coercion, but un-restricted welfare payments don't work for your native populations either.
Oh, please...
Are you seriously going to refer to the retarded Muslim culture coming out of the ME as simply poor framing?
Layered stories? You mean like burying the stories and publicly condemning anyone who calls them on it as a racist or Nazi?
Damn, you deserve everything you're going to get from this.
I think Ron heavily damaged his reputation with that strange Muslim remark.
Why don't you go to Breitbart, it is filled with hateful Jews and all they talk about is killing all Muslims.
Why do all main contenders for President of the USA swear allegiance to Israel first? Really. Why do they do that?
Israel is a foreign country. It should join the line of others asking for something from the USA.
Putting another country before America is treason, legally.
Thank you for not participating in the federal pension program Ron, our son's & daughter's appreciate the example you set.
Now, it's our job to strip it from the rest.
Had more then he needed from his presidential campaign funds? If memory serves, he didn't return them...
Do you really think that an honourable man would vig as you suggest? I don't. And he didn't.
Like the cut of your jib, nmewn. It is our job.
Every thief, every charlatan, every crony, every bureaucrat, every politician who personally benefited from this financial calamity must do the perp walk or NOTHING CHANGES for me.
I will accept nothing less.
Agreed.
RP is an Inspirational Leader, but not the kind that Gandhi or Julius Ceaser was, to topple a hopelessly corrupt and entrenched regime.
If Trump does not get elected, and get to make SIGNIFICANT changes for the better, you can bring out the wrecking ball and bulldozer, cause this Old House is 'done'.
p.s. Still waiting for the self-proclaimed protectors of The Constitution (III%, Oath Keepers, etc) to do a damn thing toward LAWFUL Resistance, as mentioned several times before. E.g.
- Million Man March. Lucky to get 10,000, I suspect, which the MSM would blow off.
- National Strikes, Work-to-Rule
- Super-PAC like ADL or AIPAC, but on steroids
- etc.
If they can't/won't do even that, then that's all I need to know that they are the Controlled Resistance, created by TPTB.
p.p.s. "It is better to be violent, if there is violence in their hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence, to cover impotence." -Gandhi (used by Hannibal in the movie 'The A-Team')
Gandhi used Pacifism as a PR Weapon to shame the Brits publicly and globally, to garner support. He was not opposed to using force when needed, and use it he did. That part was deliberately under/non-reported, as intended by TPTB.
Kirk, part of the awkward squad. Excellent.
Facts. Figures. Data. The Constitution and Bil of Rights. This we own if we defend it.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/ghandis-terrorists/
Not the first time Ron Paul and his moribund, worthless ideology carried water for hypocritical Mormons with private jets. That was his 2012 "campaign run" in a nutshell! Hapless little imp should just go back to pimping stocks...
Meanwhile, his pathetic son fellates Zionist war pimps. Proud legacy...
Just a moment. Dr Ron Paul still engages hearts and minds while career politicians fight for their next few seconds on TV which is forgotten as Kardashian butts it out.
Libertarians, the Constitution and general dissent lives on, and that annoys the status quo most intensely.
Bluntly: fuck off back to your failed bureauRats. You get what you want. You just don't like it.
Zionists love you for your contribution to divide and rule.
I'm not a party hack like Ron Paul and his Zionist son.
Why would "Downwiththebanks" consider Ron Paul, the most prominent USA voice for dismantling the Central Bank, to have a "moribund, worthless ideology".
Rand Paul keeps saying we should stop arming ISIS. I think that is about the most anyone running for President can possibly say.
Because Paul is a pimp for drug running hedge funds and neoliberal charlatans, which he proved in 2012 by sucking Romney's titties in every debate.
I watched the 2012 debates and what I remember is that MSM "moderators" didn't ask Ron Paul hardly any questions, but asked Romney and others many questions, thus effectively silencing Ron Paul vs. the viewers of the debates. It wasn't Ron Paul who was "sucking". It was the MSM.
As for neoliberal charlatans, doesn't that mean Central Bankers. Ron Paul has for many years been the most courageous and constant voice against them in the USA.
Rand sucks the jewcock every day. He is a pathetic legacy for his father.
The sooner you can face up to your problems/troubles the sooner you can get back on crack, err track.
Let's face it, the divide and conquer .guvbankcorp trump (not don) card places we the sheeple at a mighty disadvantage when compared to the fuck them it's every cunt for him/herself joker and get out of jail free cabal poker hand.
Pull another wabbit out of the hat cat got your tongue 9 lives.
If only Ron had had Billybob Clinton's ruthless criminal streak and ambition but then again he wouldn't be Ron.
No need for any of us to give up our peaceful dissent, we can beat them easily and never hurt a soul.
But a proper sabotage campaign will leave people hurting, and we have to take care of that to avoid blame for the failed system.
Airlines is an easy weak spot. When you want to end air traffic, without which they can't run a civilization, organize the beating of pots and pans and setting off of fireworks at 9PM and continuing for 20 minutes.
And sign the 9/11 Truth petitions and the pledges of support $ and work for a 9/11 Truth candidiate.
That is likely opening move in the game of course, but it is one they cannot win with force. Not even the many political mruders that are happening :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_DNxDEPfu0
And Michael Hsting and Web and ...
They say that admitting you have a problem is the First Step. But, apparently, anyone inside the Beltway who admits there is any problem is immediately set upon and torn to shreds by the MSM, so I don't expect the USA government to ever Get Better.
I agree with a few posts here in regards to getting out of the system..Ron Paul did exactly that..He started a new revolution by going to colleges and universities...Then starting homeskooling that must have cost him much money...That is what the Rockefellers did around 1901...BUying up universities..But Ron Paul doesnt have all the money the rockefellers have. But he doesnt need it, because the truth of Ron Paul will prevail. Anyone putting down Ron Paul really needs to tell me ONE THING, AND ONE THING ONLY... What are YOU doing??? drinking beer and posting on zerohededge?
Did Ron Paul homeschool Rand Paul?
If so, he needs to work on his delivery....
i hear what you are saying...But I also have a son that is younger, 30 years old, but he kinda thinks he knows better also. I think that maybe he sees what mistakes, he thinks I made. Like supporting Ron Paul in 2008, and thinking 2008/2009 would be an enormous economic collapse etc. I also think, that Rand thinks, that if he goes along a bit with mainstream, he would have a better chance. No, Rand seems not to be Rons son. Rand thinks that by giving up just a little to the mainstream, supporting israel etc., he can still make changes..I understand Rands thinking, but I think we are at a point where we either go all out, or give up and quit trying..The hour is too late to go along with mainstream...But I need to add. Times I almost wanted to give up on my son, he will call, or text, and his words show me that as he things going on in the world, he respects me...Maybe Rand will see the same in his dad later on as he learns.
Rand is still pretty good, IMHO. I have been wondering, too. I think it takes a lot more money to run a Senatorial campaign than to run a Congressional campaign, and maybe that is why Rand has not been as forceful in some areas as Ron has been. But this Presidential run of Rand's is good experience, IMHO. He's like an olympic athlete in a many-years-long training program.
There is something about one who "wants to be a president" that I dislike. Note docile and agreeing apperiances, measured angers of all of them during the campaing to get under voter's skin. Exception isTrump, whom I like only because he points a light on utter circus show before us.
In my emails I am refered by RP's team as "fellow conservative" whom he needs money from to "stop Washington machine", no more and no less!!! Fucking idiot!
No one will get my vote. Ever!
I FEEL that way, but I THINK that "The world is run by the people who show up", and so I try to show up.
Sure, the government is corrupt, but violently grabbing resources that belong to everyone (as in ... public land) without wanting to pay for it is not true rebellion. A 'free' country does not mean a country where everyone grabs whatever they want using weapons. Imagine if everyone started doing that... The romantic story of freedom in the west is actually a long list of exploitation of some people by other people.
DrDre
"Sure, the government is corrupt, but violently grabbing resources that belong to everyone"
Is that something like the UnConstitutional BLM grabbing State land?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE
Where has there been violence? I haven't seen anything but peaceful resistance to establish dialogue regarding the trampling of the constitution with regard to state's rights and the rule of law as stated in the constitution.
Since there is no violence, the government's use of "antiterror" laws is abusive of those laws.