Why Does America Need Guns?

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Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:38 | 7036448 troubledasset
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to protect ourselves from militarized police

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:39 | 7036456 Took Red Pill
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and the tyranny of the government

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:48 | 7036465 hedgeless_horseman
Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:49 | 7036518 TeamDepends
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One of the reasons we are in such trouble is that, as is the case here, we are referred to as a democracy and nobody bats an eyelash. We are a Constitutional Republic. Democracy is mob rule. Sound familiar?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qszo8u1m9ZQ

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:57 | 7036559 El Vaquero
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Democracy is one of those words that has multiple similar, but not exactly the same definitions.  Technically a Constitutional Republic is a democracy, though it is not a direct democracy.

 

What people should be balking at is the fact that we're an oligarchy in a constitutional republic's skin. 

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:10 | 7036670 TeamDepends
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The Founding Fathers all resoundingly agreed that democracy was/is the most vile form of government. The fact that disarmament is being discussed at all shows how far we've fallen. PLEASE everybody, watch the video. Knowledge is power!

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:19 | 7037213 Stuck on Zero
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Has there ever been a Democracy? How can anyone say it doesn't work?

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:36 | 7037305 LowerSlowerDela...
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Five words: If Obama had a son.

This why I need a gun.

 

BTW, democracies are guaranteed to fail.  We are a representative republic that has turned way too democracy (mob rule).

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:44 | 7037340 Buckaroo Banzai
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Athens in ancient Greece. They invented Democracy. It didn't work for exactly the reasons you'd expect.

The United States of America ceased to be a Republic upon passage of the 16th and 17th Amendments.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 19:10 | 7037726 Ramesees
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1) the Athenian democracy limited voting to citizen landowners. Requiring citizenship and ownership means that the responsibilities of citizenship make for a serious electorate, much different than the low IQ morons voting for their gibsmuh today.

2) since the people are still voting for representatives, the US is still a (debased) Constitutional Republic.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 20:40 | 7038011 Bumpo
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Uhm, not exactly. There were three sets of people: Landed Aristocracy. People of the Sea. The New Business class. These divided groups of 3 were grouped together into tribes to represent one from each group. These Demes would vote as a whole, or 1 vote for the group, then chosen by lot to make up the Council of 500. Or that's the best I can remember.

Here's something more accurate:

"Cleisthenes, an Alcmaeonid like Pericles, furthered democracy first by ousting the Pisistratid tyrant Hippias (with Sparta's help), and more so by a series of reforms. Cleisthenes' reforms are so clearly designed to increase the people's power that he can be described as a true democrat.

First, he established administrative units called tribes made up of thirds. Each third was from a different area of Attica: city, hills, and coast. Each third was made up of demes. Think of a deme as a village or a neighborhood in the case of the city: the fact that the demes were already existent units made Cleisthenes' reforms more palatable (so the theory goes) and contributed to the long life of Cleisthenes' reorganization. Cleisthenes' reform made Athenians belong primarily to a unit that was spread around Attica. Hence it was more difficult for influential families to build up geographical power-bases. In spite of that, Athens remained essentially aristocratic and plutocratic."

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 19:12 | 7037735 DOT
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Ah, demos, the mob. Victor Hugo was right -the stones do murmer at the slowness of man. Today the "democracy' of preference and power is, just like Athens, a tyrant state. The Atheneans were quite proud of their power to coerce their allies and extract tribute. Somehow they saw themselves as being exceptional. A much lauded skill of the golden age was the ability to sway the mob by clever oratory. A demogogue was always required to push foward the partisan position.

 

We may be slow but we have this tyranny shit nailed.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:40 | 7037321 HockeyFool
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I just watched the video, you are right. Its great. That guy has a bunch of other videos I plan to watch next. Never heard of Red Beckman before, but he knows his stuff.

 

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:58 | 7036570 greenskeeper carl
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I don't like using the word "need" when it comes to guns. Allowing the debate to be framed in that way, as in "why do you NEED an AR 15" misses the point. "Need" is not relevant. I own one because I fucking want one and because I fucking can. I don't "need" a lot of things, but that doesn't mean I have to justify why I have one to anyone. I don't 'need' a big SUV either, but I have one anyway because I want to and because I can.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:09 | 7036629 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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I can own guns because I fucking so say and no one else.

So what are the gun-grabbing filth going to do about it?

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:20 | 7036788 Coletrane
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they arent gonna do SHIT.

 

none of them have a pair big enough to try and disarm ANYONE.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:41 | 7036974 DownWithYogaPants
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All that much better we let Chicago continue weeding the Darwinian cabbage patch.  You know these types attract bullets more readily than humans.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 18:13 | 7037317 LowerSlowerDela...
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"none of them have a pair big enough to try and disarm ANYONE."

But they will and do throw you in jail for defending your life and/or your family's lives.  Deterrent - don't even think about using a gun to defend yourself or Obama's "Justice" dept will force you live in a small, isolated, box that you can't leave and you'll have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to possibly get out.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 22:04 | 7038509 DaveA
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If you're forced to defend your family against Obama's sons, remember the rules: shoot, shovel, and shut up. Africans disappear for no reason all the time, so no one will come looking for them.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:42 | 7036985 Chupacabra-322
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Exactly. However, that said. Here are the reasons:

1. Fascist Militarized Police
2. Pure Evil Psychopaths at the Criminal CIA
3. Criminal FBI
4. Criminal DHS
5. Criminal IRS. Yes, they have tax payer paid for Guns too.
6. Academia Merc aka Black Water / Xe Merc
7. UN
8. Criminal Boad of Trustees aka CONgress
8. Wall Street Criminals
9. Bankster Criminals
10. BATF
11. DEA
12. Some Military which will follow illegal orders

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:19 | 7037214 Babaloo
Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:42 | 7037329 SuperRay
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That's something only a moron would do. If you own a gun know how/when to use (unlike many police officers)

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:44 | 7037343 HockeyFool
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If I had a son he would look just like Babaloo. Until I shot him.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 18:03 | 7037424 Bendromeda Strain
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What - your parents missed?

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 18:40 | 7037607 nmewn
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lol

Wed, 01/13/2016 - 06:22 | 7039255 Mareka
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Nobody is going to try to take your guns because the task would be impossible.

Instead it will take the form of some combination of weasel end runs, the easiest is probably to go after your ammo.

 

All of the below were already promoted by Obama at some point.

500% increase in the tax on ammunition.

Legislate smart gun requirements that make the weapon non-functional in all but the hands of a registered owner.

Individually coded bullets registered to the purchaser of the ammunition.

Outlaw or tie restrictions to handgun ammo, the twist being that handguns exist that fire most commercially available rounds.

Outlaw armor piercing rounds, the twist being that under the right conditions some light vests can be pierced by most rounds.

Have federal agencies purchase (with your tax money) such vast quantiies of ammo that you can't find any.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:37 | 7036942 J Jason Djfmam
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The bigger question is:

Why does Obama need us to not have guns?

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 18:38 | 7037591 sleigher
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"I own one because I fucking want one and because I fucking can."

 

In the immortal words of 44magnumprepper...

"Because fucking guns that's why!"

Wed, 01/13/2016 - 01:57 | 7039054 StychoKiller
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Found on ZeroHedge some time ago:

It always kind of irks me when people speak about rights in terms of "needs."
Like, why do you need X,Y or Z?

It has nothing to do about need.  Never did.  Always about power distribution.
Governments wants to concentrate power.

If it were about safety, why not make it a responsibility of the po po to actually
keep us safe?  Cause the courts have long ruled that it is not THEIR job to do so.
So whose job is it?  Correctly, it is MINE and mine only.

You cannot have it both ways. I am responsible for my safety, so I am in charge of
dictating terms of how best to do so.

You cannot be in charge of something and have to ask someone higher up how to do it.
If so, they are in charge.

Po po like being in control, but not responsible.  Best of both worlds for them.
They can crash through any door they want.  Adrenalin is a mad drug.  Especially for low IQ folks.

 

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:51 | 7036532 Consuelo
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Actually HH, I fear these 'Predators' a whole lot less than i do my own .gov in all it's local, State and Federal permutations.    Sad commentary, that is.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:09 | 7036573 ZerOhead
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Yup... only 400 or so homicides of whites by blacks per year. Mostly blacks kill each other if you can still believe in government stats...

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the...

And in that case with 55% of gun deaths per year attributable to blacks perhaps Obama should be prohibiting blacks from owning guns to help stop the racist black on black carnage?

I double dare him...

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:22 | 7036806 greenskeeper carl
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It is an interesting topic. I would love to see it debated or brought up in a public way. Blacks are responsible for something like 50% of murders in this country, even though they only account for about 13% of the populaton. Over 90% of those murders committed by blacks are committed by males, so that means that 6% of the population accounts for 50% of the homicides in the US. I find it hard to believe that the left isn't aware of this, although as with the recent cases of white people thinking they will some how be protected from violent black youth just because they work for PBS or the SPLC, maybe they do indeed believe their own bullshit. Plus, talking about this would destroy the narrative, with is why it is verboten.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:53 | 7037032 DownWithYogaPants
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My theory is since blacks come from an area of the world that was only recently developed they lack frontal lobe impulse control.  We should be happy to see the Darwinian process in action.  Liberals tell me only idiots believe in god.  So only an idiot would not believe in Darwinian selection right?   I am going to guess being a severe dickhead in the hood reduces life expectancy quite a bit.

I have a Russian friend who says American blacks are selected for being "annoying and too stupid to run away".  His point being that when the slavers came to the village the chief would sell off the lesser desirables.  This include the dumb, undesirable women, annoying, criminal, lazy etc.    Thus he choose from the pool of the annoying that had not decided to make themselves scarce upon first sight of the slavers hitting town.  So they were annoying and so very stupid they did not even realize how annoying they were. ...................Sound like anyone you know?  Sure sounds like Negrius Americanus to me!  

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:23 | 7037233 Stuck on Zero
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Carl: From this statistic: "6% of the population accounts for 50% of the homicides."

Narrow it down further:

Males between the ages of 12 and 30.

Males from broken homes and a life of welfare.

I'll bet it's down to 1%.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:51 | 7037056 Laddie
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@ZerOhead

Interracial rape stats DOJ
Black rapes of White women: 19, 293
White rapes of black women: 0

Indianapolis Playground Beating: Girl and Her Little Brother Brutally Attacked in Park March 15, 2015
The Indianapolis playground beating may have been racially motivated. The victim and her brother were white and the attackers appeared to be black. As the victim was asking why she was being attacked, one of the boys in the group appeared to answer, “You white, bitch.”

Young Girl and Little Brother attacked
Video posted on (and removed from) Facebook of brutal attack on a female and her little brother
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b10_1426395873

To think this is some rare case just read this website for a month or so, it has been up since 1995 and save for being TERRORIZED into a shutdown by the owner due to real and serious threats to the safety of his wife and children a couple of years ago by the hackers ANONYMOUS, a brave White gentleman by himself took it over. It is INVALUABLE and PROVES beyond a reasonable doubt the GUILT of the Tribe in DECEIVING their victims: THE WHITES of America. http://newnation.org/"http://newnation.org/

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:35 | 7037299 ZerOhead
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Saw the video last year... very unsettling... but just remember all roads lead to the global banking dynasties. "Black Lives Matter" considered to be national security threat yet funded by George Soros speaks volumes

The plan is to turn all nations, races, religions, sexes, and ethnicities against each other with a divide and conquer strategy designed to eventually yield to themselves a global government, army and financial system for all time.

When the shit hits the fan it's good idea to be somewhere else.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 19:28 | 7037773 S.N.A.F.U.
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Those statistics appear to derive from Table 42 in this document: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf
(I.e., 16.4% * 117640 = 19,292.96 which is the 19,293 you are citing.) There seem to be several issues with that data.

First there's "Includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault" which means that it is not just a measurement of "Rape/sexual assault", but also a measurement of how sensitive someone is in terms of considering something a "threat".

Next up is that, except for the white-on-white numbers, it states that "Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases" which seems to be a fairly small sample size to me (though I would not go so far as to say that it makes the numbers statistically insignificant). Note that this means that the 19,293 number you gave is being extrapolated from this small survey, and is not something like an aggregation of all rape-related police reports in the US.

But even worse, there seems to be something really wrong with the numbers. The small sample size got me curious and I wanted to know exactly how small it was. With numbers this small and the percents given in tenths, it should in general be possible to determine the exact original numbers (i.e., exactly how many rape/rape-threat victims were surveyed, exactly how many said their attacker was white/black/etc.). For example, take the black-on-white statistic of 16.4%. If this data were validly generated (i.e. that % is a factual and accurate statement of % in terms of fraction of those surveyed), it would mean that the unrounded computed %, the number represented by any given column divided by the number surveyed (times 100), was somewhere between 16.35% and 16.45%, and it was then rounded (as needed) to 16.4%. Since we also know that this 16.4% represents "10 or fewer sample cases", we can easily have a bit of code run through every possibility. Doing so provides exactly two potential solutions: 55 victims surveyed with 9 of them indicating the attacker was black, or 61 victims surveyed with 10 of them indicating the attacker was black. However, when you perform the exact same analysis on the 2.8% number, the only solutions for number of victims surveyed are 36, 71 or 72, none of which match the 55 and 61 from the 16.4% number. The 5.9% number only yields solutions of 17, 34, 51, 68, 85 (and larger), which includes no common solution with either the 16.4% number or the 2.8% number. And the 74.9% number, while it is not limited to representing "10 or fewer sample cases", should (if the table is valid) have some solution in common with the others, and instead has a smallest solution of 167. So it would seem they did something rather nonstandard generating this table, and who knows what that was. (My guess is that they are fudging the numbers with made-up formulae to try to make some small number of whites/blacks "truly reflect American demographics" or some such nonsense, and the percentages given are NOT the actual survey percentages but "fantasy adjusted" percentages. If anyone else has a better theory on how they came up with numbers which are all mutually mathematically incompatible I would like to hear it.)

The final thing I would point out is the "Not known or not available" column. This one doesn't necessarily indicate anything's wrong with the data, but it is curious that only 5.9% of the surveyed whites couldn't identify the race of their attacker while for the surveyed blacks it was 25.2%, and that would seem to mean that there is greater uncertainty in the data for the surveyed blacks (i.e., one or more of the other columns is definitely significantly under-reported).

(None of the above should be considered "in defense of aggressive, low-IQ thugs" - it's just that these numbers, like apparently everything the federal government puts out, seem to have some "issues".)

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 20:51 | 7038110 PhoQ
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Interracial rape stats DOJ
Black rapes of White women: 19, 293
White rapes of black women: 0

When a white guy does it, it's not rape, it's considered a completely legal proposal of marriage.

And who the hell believes statistics anymore?

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:53 | 7036537 Consuelo
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By the way...   That 3rd one down in the group of Four, dat be a 'Chigger'...?

 

 

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:40 | 7037320 EBT excepted
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dat funny cud' dem nigrow alls look da same tah me...ceptin' fo' d'haircut...

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:51 | 7037369 Hotmustard
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Thosw aren't killers. They're Dindu Nuffins. 

 

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 19:28 | 7037802 bobdog54
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Why would anyone vote this down unless they were in the photos or potentially in the photos...??

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 20:28 | 7038010 Man-Bear-Pig
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If only we could figure out some sort of pattern...

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 17:28 | 7037265 baldski
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Hey Red: How many Abrams Tanks can you kill with your guns if the Army comes down your street? An Abram has a five inch cannon that will blow your house apart.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:41 | 7036472 post turtle saver
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you know, I'd listen more to the "gun control" crowd if they'd stop doing things like, I dunno, calling guys who have guns (the police) to come help them all the time...

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:41 | 7036476 Thick Willy
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Because: Niggers.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 15:43 | 7036484 FreeShitter
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This.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:04 | 7036617 More Ammo
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But then there is this...

Sheriff Mack on Oregon Standoff: “You Never Know What This Corrupt Government Is Going To Do.”

https://www.oathkeepers.org/sheriff-mack-on-oregon-standoff-you-never-kn...

 

Then check check out the comment of how hitlery sold the uranium in these western lands to Russian...

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 20:54 | 7038120 PhoQ
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Since he's a legally appointed part of the corrupt government, we should probably give this guy some credence.

Tue, 01/12/2016 - 16:16 | 7036733 FatTony7915726
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popeye chickaan is their thang!

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