Hillary's Lead Disintegrates: She Is Now Doing Worse Than In 2008, As Trump Surges

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Just when Hillary Clinton thought her political fiascoes would be the worst of her ongoing troubles as she glides through the Democrat primaries, and then takes on Trump sure to find a Warren Buffett-funded victory, suddenly everything appears to have gone wrong in what is most important to the scandal-ridden former Secretary of State and presidential contender: her second - and final - campaign for president.

According to WaPo, if one compares where Clinton is now in the Real Clear Politics polling average, the 2016 picture and the 2008 picture aren't really all that similar; in fact suddenly the trapdoor beneath Hillary appears to have sprung open. "Nationally, she was doing much better in 2008 than she is right now, perhaps in part because the anti-Clinton vote in 2008 was still split between two people -- Barack Obama and John Edwards -- instead of just one. But that recent trend line, a function of two new national polls that were close after a bit of a lull, is not very good news."


Not surprisingly, Clinton is trailing badly in New Hampshire, which is the home turf of her main socialist opponent. In 2008,


What little silver lining exists, is that in Iowa, Hillary is running a little better than she did in 2008, although as seen on the chart below even here her lead has plunged recently. In 2008 it wasn't until the last week that she fell out of the lead. She eventually came in third.


The problem remains the national race, and what's worse, if the 2008 past is prologue and if Hillary's lead in Iowa evaporates and she loses, it may be the end for the former first lady: back then she lost three-quarters of her lead after the caucuses although she did gain some of it back after her win in New Hampshire.


And while these numbers can easily change, one person who is certain to capitalize on Hillary's sudden collapse is Donald Trump, who as we showed recently has become the bookmakers' favorite after trailing badly as recently as September, even as Trump's republican competitors drop like flies on their own, the most recent casualty being Ben Carson whose campaign is all but over following news from CNN that Carson's campaign finance chairman Dean Parker submitted his resignation.

Finally, moments ago the WSJ reported that Donald Trump has opened a double-digit lead over his next-closest Republican rival, less than three weeks before the first votes of the 2016 presidential race are cast, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.

A third of Republican primary voters in the nationwide survey said they favored Mr. Trump to be the GOP nominee, followed by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 20% support, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 13% and retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 12%.


In December, Mr. Trump had led the No. 2 candidate, Mr. Cruz, by 5 percentage points. In the new poll, his lead widened to 13 points.

And so what was considered humor by most pundits as recently as last summer is becoming an all too possible reality: president Trump?

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BlueStreet's picture

Americans are coming to their senses! Probably not but we can always hope. 

jcaz's picture

She's a vampire.   All she has to do is promise free I-phones and 40's and she's back in biz.....

Scooby Dooby Doo's picture

[Day 1]
Lady's and Gentlemen your President Donald Trump.
[cheers/ applause]
President Trump: "My first act will be to incarcerate Barack Obama for treason!"
[cheers/ applause]
[obama perp walked out on stage, no shirt or shoes, shackled and neck irons on]
[BIG BIG cheers/ applause]

BaBaBouy's picture

==> Agree Mostly With TRUMP, Best Choice USA

==> Hillary Smells Great, IM Voting Hillary

ZerOhead's picture

< John Forbes Kerry (Kohn actually...) will enter the race

< John Forbes Kerry (Kohn actually...) will not enter the race

The stench surrounding Hillary is not likely to dissipate. The CFR crew need a "Plan B" fast...

Troglodyte Erudite's picture

So I was just listening to Hannity with some journo at the debates, cant remember name but he claimed to be conservative.  Anyway he spends whole time talking up Cruz as a "Proven Conservative" while making diggs at Trump. 

Since when is it the media's job to decide who is the best candidate.  Are they not supposed to be neutral?  WTF is wrong with this nation.

BTW:  is a Proven Conservative defined as expanding the gov, allowing illegal immigration, borrowing to indebt our grandchildren,, vote of Ocare, etc etc etc.  If so then we as a nation are truely screwed if we need another proven conservative.

Scooby Dooby Doo's picture

Cruz is a god damn Canadian. Deport that Pinocchio nosed Canadian!

knukles's picture

What Hillary needs is another sit down with the Bilderbergers and be told to wait her turn.  Again.

TeamDepends's picture

Hillary/Chelsea 2024 'Cuz Life Ain't Worth Livin'

nink's picture

I am guessing I know who will get one of Obama's last minute pardons 

johngaltfla's picture

But if she leaves the race, who will do the live televised Madame President setting the apples in the water for the children to bob for in 2017?

UFC 1297.4: CRUZ v. TRUMP – One Man Enters, More RINOS leave Debate Drinking Game Rules for 01.14.16
Stainless Steel Rat's picture
Stainless Steel Rat (not verified) johngaltfla Jan 14, 2016 8:05 PM

<--- Cruz / Goldman

<--- Cruz / Sachs

LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD's picture
LowerSlowerDelaware_LSD (not verified) Stainless Steel Rat Jan 14, 2016 8:15 PM

<-- Who cares?

<-- Who cares?

Mr. Universe's picture

What I care about ? If Hitlery Swings from a yardarm. It looks like she might be getting fitted for a blindfold, I'll supply the cigs.

“A source fed to me… and by the way Alex, an unimpeachable source by any measure… This is an unimpeachable source who said, ‘Not only was the email server hacked,’ which is breaking news… but not only was it hacked Alex, but the Clintons knew it was hacked and they kept using it,” he said.

if true could be the one that sinks the Clintanic.

MeetTozter's picture

Hillary is a Rahm-Wasserman-Schumer Democrat.

philipat's picture

Hilary is a DINO: in both size and name...as well as being a criminal lying corrupt cunt of course.

Stainless Steel Rat's picture
Stainless Steel Rat (not verified) philipat Jan 14, 2016 11:01 PM

Moar welfare for the MIC, NAO!

wee-weed up's picture



"Since when is it the media's job to decide who is the best candidate.  Are they not supposed to be neutral?"

Since Obozo. The MSM's neutrality was sacrificed on the altar of Political Correctness.

Razor_Edge's picture

Bullshit. Did the US even have neutral media? At least certainly not since Bill allowed the concenration of media into what, six corporations?

US media is not neutral, and is one of the biggest aspects of the problems you have over there. All the powerful interest groups, including the media, work to their own and their sponsors interests, not that of the US or the people.

philipat's picture

So European media is different? Look at the coverage of Syria in the UK, especially by the BBC (which was obviously compromised when the money ran out along the lines of "OK we can help renew the License fees BUT...."). To find the truth, only alternative media publishes it. Of all the MSM outlets, RT comes closets to reporting facts but, even there, a large dose of Kremlin propoganda has seepd in recently.

Bananamerican's picture

"her second - and final - campaign"

God, I like the sound of that...

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) Bananamerican Jan 14, 2016 11:16 PM

How did this killer psycho even think she could run after her Sect. of State run?

Quebecguy's picture

The same way she thinks she desrves to run for Senator of New York for her first time out. 

Four chan's picture

ole keglegs is a completely unlikeable psychopath.

Mentaliusanything's picture

Americans are coming to their senses!

We, The World would hope so, but after the last hope guy (Dud) I think your so fucked (in capitals would have been appropiate but I reserve that  for "death to the moneychangers"

Mareka's picture

Cruz is having to answer more questions about his $500K low interest loan from Goldman Sachs than Hillary has to answer about her $760K contribution from Goldman Sachs.

johngaltfla's picture

And $3 million from the House of Saud.

ebworthen's picture

Cruz is a Bankster/M.I.C. plant.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) ebworthen Jan 14, 2016 11:17 PM

His first role was to take down Rand Paul, now it is to take down Trump.

ebworthen's picture

I love you Cruz lovers.

Completely deluded/fooled.

The glaze coming off your eyeballs is dazzling!

macholatte's picture

Since when is it the media's job to decide who is the best candidate.


Since about Woodrow Wilson and the invention of the Federal Reserve.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) macholatte Jan 14, 2016 11:17 PM

Since the Jews that Wilson gave the country to captured the media.

aurum4040's picture

Yes, ever since JP Morgan decided to cancel his boating trip on a vessel called the Titanic just before all those who opposed the creation of the Federal Reserve sank to the bottom of the Atlantic

fleur de lis's picture

Do you have a link for that? The Titanic sinking always struck me as odd.

Socratic Dog's picture

New one to me too.  Easily found. 

eg.  http://www.titanicuniverse.com/the-titanic-conspiracy

Fuckin' Jesuits.


PT's picture

But has anyone asked the Diebold machines for their opinion?  I hear they're quite influential ...

Vendetta's picture

The high frequency voting algos can shift with the click of a mouse.

Chris Dakota's picture
Chris Dakota (not verified) PT Jan 14, 2016 11:19 PM

Trump put them on notice, if they steal this all hell breaks loose.

We saw them steal Ron Paul's nomination, he saw it too.

BarkingCat's picture

Ron Paul is a meek man. A good man but not a hellraiser.

Trump is nothing like Paul. He is a giant asshole who likes to destroy his enemies.

Lucky for us, his enemies are career politicians and hacks in the news media.

thinkmoretalkless's picture

Agree. A postmortem Hillary campaign may stand a better chance

Freddie's picture

Cruz is a Goldman Sachs Canadian.   Goldman lent him money for his Senate bid.

Hillary is an evil, corrupt bag of shit like Bill.

Sadly, the uSA does not have real elections or a real govt.  Just corruption.

WillyGroper's picture

That ain't all about Cruz & wifey.

mandalou's picture

Hillary still wins. This is just a show to you who know it is corrupt, so they can laugh in all our faces. Hillary wins because she offers free shit to wall street and free shit to the poor. She has everyone bought and paid. The middle class is dead. You will know in 10 more months this to be true. Only way Hilary does not win is if Obama decrees himself Caesar.

Vendetta's picture

obama won't decree himself ceasar, he's got a lot of payola for fucking Amerika over to go collect from his paymasters.

August's picture

Trayvon for President!

Sure, he's dead right now, but he's still got more integrity the current field of evil clowns.

Besides, he was turnin' his life around.

Bush Baby's picture

Cruz has a face even Jesus could punch


sleigher's picture

Listening to the radio today, they were saying the whole SOTU rebuttal was the RNC setting up in South Carolina to stop Trump.  It sorta makes sense when you listen to what Haley was saying.  They really don't like Trump.  Scared shitless of him and I am enjoying watching it.

Scooby Dooby Doo's picture

God Scooby hates that slimy Haley cu*t. She comes to visit Donald, takes his donation money, then pulls out her shiv and stabs him square in the back.

She reminds me of pelosi.