Hillary's Lead Disintegrates: She Is Now Doing Worse Than In 2008, As Trump Surges
Just when Hillary Clinton thought her political fiascoes would be the worst of her ongoing troubles as she glides through the Democrat primaries, and then takes on Trump sure to find a Warren Buffett-funded victory, suddenly everything appears to have gone wrong in what is most important to the scandal-ridden former Secretary of State and presidential contender: her second - and final - campaign for president.
According to WaPo, if one compares where Clinton is now in the Real Clear Politics polling average, the 2016 picture and the 2008 picture aren't really all that similar; in fact suddenly the trapdoor beneath Hillary appears to have sprung open. "Nationally, she was doing much better in 2008 than she is right now, perhaps in part because the anti-Clinton vote in 2008 was still split between two people -- Barack Obama and John Edwards -- instead of just one. But that recent trend line, a function of two new national polls that were close after a bit of a lull, is not very good news."
Not surprisingly, Clinton is trailing badly in New Hampshire, which is the home turf of her main socialist opponent. In 2008,
What little silver lining exists, is that in Iowa, Hillary is running a little better than she did in 2008, although as seen on the chart below even here her lead has plunged recently. In 2008 it wasn't until the last week that she fell out of the lead. She eventually came in third.
The problem remains the national race, and what's worse, if the 2008 past is prologue and if Hillary's lead in Iowa evaporates and she loses, it may be the end for the former first lady: back then she lost three-quarters of her lead after the caucuses although she did gain some of it back after her win in New Hampshire.
And while these numbers can easily change, one person who is certain to capitalize on Hillary's sudden collapse is Donald Trump, who as we showed recently has become the bookmakers' favorite after trailing badly as recently as September, even as Trump's republican competitors drop like flies on their own, the most recent casualty being Ben Carson whose campaign is all but over following news from CNN that Carson's campaign finance chairman Dean Parker submitted his resignation.
Finally, moments ago the WSJ reported that Donald Trump has opened a double-digit lead over his next-closest Republican rival, less than three weeks before the first votes of the 2016 presidential race are cast, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.
A third of Republican primary voters in the nationwide survey said they favored Mr. Trump to be the GOP nominee, followed by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 20% support, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 13% and retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 12%.
In December, Mr. Trump had led the No. 2 candidate, Mr. Cruz, by 5 percentage points. In the new poll, his lead widened to 13 points.
And so what was considered humor by most pundits as recently as last summer is becoming an all too possible reality: president Trump?
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you misspelled Calvin Coolidge
Fucking classic, +1000
Why doesnt the Democratic party run McCain! lol
Q: Why do pantsuits come in colors like pink and blue?
A: So people can tell which one is Hillary Clinton and which is John McCain.
It just hit me after seeing the picture of hillary associated with this article on the front page of ZH......
After all these years, i can FINALLY SEE what bill see's in her.
Major indictments are on the way for hitlery over Benghazi and emails etc. FBI supposedly ready to take her fat ass down, and so it seems it will be up to whatever is most politically beneficial for dept. of injustice skank bitch Lynch to decide to do. Less than 60 days until D-Day for the hildabeast. Lets all hope they burn that bitch at the stake.
In a non-corrupt world that will happen. But I can't imagine Dear Leader's "Justice" Department doing anything against their fellow Marxists.
Bernie would be the best bet for perpetuation of the FSA state.
Maybe Bammy's a racist, lookin' out fo his kin, yo?
If the indictment actually happens, I wonder if all the "I'm Ready for Hillary" bumper stickers will magically come flying off. For some reason, I doubt it... the cult of TransfeminaziLibProgPCeverythinghurtsmyfeelings crowd will still manage to spin all of Hitlery's misdoings as some sort of right wing propaganda character assasination campaign. A spectacle of mental gymnastics awaits!
exactly...those brainwashed left-tards will go down with the ship right along with her, kicking and screaming of sexism, raycism, lies, conspiracy theories, blah, blah, blah....they aren't even worth trying to reason with for 2 seconds. Let 'em suffer, I couldn't care less about those types.
Remember when the D.C. EBTites voted Marion Barry in (again) as mayor after being caught, on tape, smoking crack cocaine, then spending time in jail for it? The EBT voters could care less about dishonesty and corruption. As long as they continue to get their free shit.
Maybe Hillary(!) will use Barry's tried and true explanation: "The bitch set me up!!!"
Welcome to Portlandia ....
We split our time between Oregon and Colorado, but I admit that I have to resist the urge to rear-end the libtard in front of me whenever I get behind the wheel in Portland.
The worst part is they are all assholes and shitty drivers that have that fucking coexist bumper sticker right next to their favorite flavor bumper sticker ... Flipping you off while they cut you off! Fuck there just is never enough Jameson to wash that taste out of my mouth.
Portland has never met a tax it didn't like ...
Mrs. Merovingian is a Portland native .. Happy wife happy life and all ... Despite the outrageous taxes we pay we keep a home there ... I made her write the checks last year though ... starting to make an impact ... finally. Top 10 worst state for taxes in the country ...
"everythinghurtsmyfeelings" lol
"Less than 60 days until D-Day for the hildabeast. "
Maybe even sooner...when the movie "Thirteen Hours" hits nationwide release, she could see her no.s really tank. Should be quite interesting.
Not that it matters this late in America's debt game, however, I would much prefer a Trump vs. Hillary than Trump vs. Bernie. Hillary is status quo and in Wall Streets pocket. If you work for a living either Trump or Hillary is FAR superior to that nut Sanders.
Horseshit.
I don't agree with Bernie Sanders on much of anything, but I'd far rather have a democrat running against Trump who:
Say what you want about Bernie; his (empty) track record alone puts him light years ahead of Hillary.
then you are gonna love elizabeth warren
There's NO WAY Sanders will be the Dem nominee; he's perceived by most as a guaranteed loser in November.
If the Beast Herself is destroyed, Biden, Warren, Kerry or some other stooge-to-be-named will step in to carry the banner.
That might be real difficult to pull off, if Hillary holds on long enough for Sanders to amass a lot of delegates then gets herself hauled off to jail.
Hillary going to jail is just part of her journey to power... maybe during her time in the pen she'll write a book called "My Struggle".
Key word being empty.
Standard Disclaimer: Challenge any liberal to make a list of Bernie's vs. Hillary's accomplishments. A post-it note should suffice.
dupe
If Americans had come to their senses, people would be organizing libertarians to infiltrate both political parties to work towards positive change, and to sabotage negative change if necessary. If we had one united group with members split amongst both the democratic and republican parties forming a subgroup in each, we could possibly get somewhere. A party within the parties, an independent force, under the radar advocating for liberty and opposing business as usual. Then we could wield power in the primaries even though TPTB don't want us to be that enfranchised. Think of it as a Tea Party 2.0, only let's don't get coopted by special intrest shitheads this time. I'm looking at you, Koch brothers.
Its 1860 all over again. A four-way race. In that election Lincoln won with a little more than 37% of the vote.
The Democratic party hacks will sideline Sanders and install Hillary no matter what. The party apparatus is so corrupt she is impossible to derail. Sanders, because of his moral makeup will bolt the party and run as an Independent/Socialst (though if he is smart he will lose the 'socialist' tag pronto). He will take 10-15% of the national vote.
Trump may, or may not, get the Republican nod. But if he does not he will also bolt and run as a Libertarian cum Tea Party Republican, perhaps under The Trump Party. But he will get over 35% o f the national vote any way (45% Republican, 35% Independent/20% Democrat). The Rebuplican standard-bearer was supposed to be Jeb Bush, which still could happen (again due the incredibly corrupt nominating process).
Of the remaining +/- 50% of the vote Hillary is almost assured more than 30% just on the basis of the black, hispanic, gender correct voters. The Republican ass-wipe that will only beat Bernie.
This outcome produces maximum uncertainty. The very worst set-up for the nation's elite. Anticipate a chaotic 2016 with possible assasination attempts. How this plays into the deflating economy and our military interventionism overseas is anyone's guess . . . but it will be epic.
There is no possibility of Trump running as a Libertarian, so far as I can see. He isn't a Libertarian, and there is no way to impose him on the delegates. Don't seem like the kind of people who can be bought in any quick way.
News flash: you can't "install" someone as President who is doing hard time in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
Dream on peter pan!
There won't be a Trump party, all of the arguments against him are shit. He will get the nod, the establishment will come to heel, and he will win 65% of the popular vote. The establishment are stubborn and stupid, but not insane.
http://trumpcampaignanalysis.blogspot.com/2016/01/trump-faces-no-real-ro...
First of all, of all of the oligarchs, Koch brothers are superior folks. The Left hates them, but criminal indictments are few and suspected corruption low. Not in the same class as Soros and the coast crowds, MIC, etc.
From what I know, we would all be proud to work for their company. Not an expert, but what I see of the reality is very different than MSM wants me to believe.
Second, forget infiltration. We have a Libertarian party, and any L will be better than any D or R. Vote for them as the very best protest vote, one that won't have its own down side.
That person, of course, will not reform the system. as major parts of the system would need to be changed all at once to remove enough of hte criminals and AIPAC-owned. Otherwise, Israeli-Neocons would reconstitute the criminal network faster than it can be reformed.
Oh yeah!! The Cock brothers, great libertarian idealists. Multi-billionaire fascists closely attached to that hidden elite. So Demdre, you work for the cocksuckers, or are you the one who gets down on his knees. Jeesh!!!!!! What a pile of c--p.
Apparently there is now a modern whig party as well.
Tried that. It all got co-opted.
Deflecting and redirecting movements is one thing they're actually good at; works here as well as abroad.
The whole Mid-East mess is owned by Hillary.
20 years-from Albright to Clinton-of sending women-even a black women-to do men's jobs in the Middle east
ya'd think if its so damn imprtant for Muslim men to sell their oil in USD-we'd at least the foresight and judgment to do them the courtesy of sending a Trump-type or our own Putin-type out to negotiate on our behalf.
Instead we send women. And wonder why the rest of the world sees Americans as "arrogant" and "clueless" -and then pretend we really just can't figure out what happened over there-"nobody could see it coming" etc
And all the while Putin is laughing in his sleeve-and Bibi is raging-and all the Muslim Leaders of consequence are dead-humiliated in the eyes of their own countrymen by being forced to kowtow to American women. They are deposed and killed by their countrymen.
Any REAL politician and female American leader -knowing how critical the region is to American interests-should be able to see and appreciate the damage to American interests of forcing Muslim men to openly negotiate American interests with women. And should have declined the position in the best interests of the country.
There are very good reasons Muslim tradition and customs are considered Medieval. Simply desiring them not so does not make it not so-regardless of what Foggy Bottom would like to believe.
Americans are coming to their senses! Probably not but we can always hope.
she's going the way of jeb bush...
It must have been Chelsea's comments that caused the drop .
The rats jump ship......
Trump speaks his mind. This is very bad for the Clinton campaign. All he has to do is bring up all the Ken Starr dirt, bring up Arkancide.com, tie her to Obamacare, call her a sell out and maybe even a traitor to the American people. Short of Trump having a heart attack, she has her hands full.
A Trump president will be a disaster.
A Bernie president will be a disaster.
A Hillary president will be a disaster.
Nobody can fix this self-destructing shit parade.
Trump is the last shot of whiskey before your liver explodes. Just as the buzz starts to kick in.....BOOM
Remember what Stalin said. It doesn't matter how people vote. It's who counts the votes that matters.
Hillary's not in jail yet. She still has a chance. She might even sew up the nomination from a jail cell given the avg. IQ of the voters.
Yes, perhaps Idiocracy could be remade with a new title: Clitiocracy.
"Yet" is the operative word here.
It's coming.
SOON.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-13/former-federal-prosecutor-says-...
Yep.... its amazing how many people buy into her pure corruption and love it.
And then grant herself Presidential pardon from the inside?
US politics is so corrupt and farcical (with Clitnon doing most of that heavy lifting on her own), we are well into that realm where the seemingly impossible comes to pass.
GOOD!
I won't vote for a democrat turned republican even though he may be the best candidate. I feel like I have no good choices and it's likely I won't vote.
Why wouldn't you vote for a candidate because of their party affiliation? They'll only end up looking a bit different while the same decisions are made for them by their masters from hidden smoke-filled back rooms.
In my book, any party affiliation is negative, because both parties are Fascist.
That's why I say, if we're going to have a Fascist, we may as well have a friendly one.
Vermin Supreme 2016... and beyond!
I agree, globalism itself seems quite fascist yet both parties support it unequivocally and lots of people don't seem to see it.
The mafioso are very unhappy with this current State of affairs.