Hillary's Lead Disintegrates: She Is Now Doing Worse Than In 2008, As Trump Surges
Just when Hillary Clinton thought her political fiascoes would be the worst of her ongoing troubles as she glides through the Democrat primaries, and then takes on Trump sure to find a Warren Buffett-funded victory, suddenly everything appears to have gone wrong in what is most important to the scandal-ridden former Secretary of State and presidential contender: her second - and final - campaign for president.
According to WaPo, if one compares where Clinton is now in the Real Clear Politics polling average, the 2016 picture and the 2008 picture aren't really all that similar; in fact suddenly the trapdoor beneath Hillary appears to have sprung open. "Nationally, she was doing much better in 2008 than she is right now, perhaps in part because the anti-Clinton vote in 2008 was still split between two people -- Barack Obama and John Edwards -- instead of just one. But that recent trend line, a function of two new national polls that were close after a bit of a lull, is not very good news."
Not surprisingly, Clinton is trailing badly in New Hampshire, which is the home turf of her main socialist opponent. In 2008,
What little silver lining exists, is that in Iowa, Hillary is running a little better than she did in 2008, although as seen on the chart below even here her lead has plunged recently. In 2008 it wasn't until the last week that she fell out of the lead. She eventually came in third.
The problem remains the national race, and what's worse, if the 2008 past is prologue and if Hillary's lead in Iowa evaporates and she loses, it may be the end for the former first lady: back then she lost three-quarters of her lead after the caucuses although she did gain some of it back after her win in New Hampshire.
And while these numbers can easily change, one person who is certain to capitalize on Hillary's sudden collapse is Donald Trump, who as we showed recently has become the bookmakers' favorite after trailing badly as recently as September, even as Trump's republican competitors drop like flies on their own, the most recent casualty being Ben Carson whose campaign is all but over following news from CNN that Carson's campaign finance chairman Dean Parker submitted his resignation.
Finally, moments ago the WSJ reported that Donald Trump has opened a double-digit lead over his next-closest Republican rival, less than three weeks before the first votes of the 2016 presidential race are cast, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.
A third of Republican primary voters in the nationwide survey said they favored Mr. Trump to be the GOP nominee, followed by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz at 20% support, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio at 13% and retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 12%.
In December, Mr. Trump had led the No. 2 candidate, Mr. Cruz, by 5 percentage points. In the new poll, his lead widened to 13 points.
And so what was considered humor by most pundits as recently as last summer is becoming an all too possible reality: president Trump?
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That is the most asinine thing ever. WTF Dipshit? You sound like a Little Jebbie or Rubio butt kisser. You plan on leaving the country too when Trump is inaugurated? Bye asswipe.!
Ronald Reagan was a liberal Democrat for years before he turned into a conservative Republican.
Is this the same conservative that ran up the deficit 328% in 8 years. Hell prior to the moron and chief we have now Reagan and the 2 Stooges Bushes ran up 90% of all the public debt of this nation. Believe me the thought of Hitlary in the White House sickens me more than anything but please do not call Reagan a conservative. Before the Democrat hits come I hate them slightly more than I hate the GOP.
Is this the same conservative that ran up the deficit 328% in 8 years. Hell prior to the moron and chief we have now Reagan and the 2 Stooges Bushes ran up 90% of all the public debt of this nation. Believe me the thought of Hitlary in the White House sickens me more than anything but please do not call Reagan a conservative. Before the Democrat hits come I hate them slightly more than I hate the GOP.
You are, of course, correct. I'll fix it:
Ronald Reagan self-identified as a liberal Democrat for years before he self-identified as a conservative Republican.
And was widely accepted as such, and is still held up as one of the great modern conservatives, the man who beat the USSR.
stumbling fumbling bumbling http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429773/hillary-clinton-lifetime-in...
that debt build up blew me away way back when
If only the reality of Reagan matched the myth!
cause he was Born in the USA...
Always nice to see you weigh in. You are one of the ZH legends that made (and make) this forum great.
It's too bad all we have is Trump and Bernie. I fear both don't understand their positions. If Bernie is electic government will own all business, thus making everyone lazy as there will be no incentive to own the business.
If Trump is elected there will be no safety net for a nation-state that has too many uneducated poor. The poor class will become more so and hardened hearts will turn on each other, leaving the rich to their ivory towers.
Nowhere - NOWHERE - and NOT ONCE has Bernie said government will own all private businesses.
And Trump is just playing to the knuckle-dragging base of the GOP.
I would take either over Clinton, but much MUCH prefer Bernie.
so basically, the next 'chancellor', or the next 'Trotsky' ~ lol
It doesn't matter to me either way... AMERICA is so fucking DONE anyway.
Markmy Words, he's a socialist. That's what socialism does.
Bernie Sanders is a banksters best friend..........the debt must grow
So who the fuck is going to loan us an additional $18,000,000,000,000 to fund all his idiotic socialist boondoggles where everything is suddenly magically free? Socialism and socialists are complete jokes.
Hence why the police have been militarized and UN inspectors are on the ground, among others...
I agree, NO SOCIALISM! Claw back the $13 *trillion* that was handed to banks. Take back the hundreds of billions that go to Exxon and Shell. Recoup the billions that go to Microsoft and Apple for stashing their cash overseas.
But oh, no, Bernie talks about tiny little scraps for YOU and ME and everybody screams "THAT DIRTY SOCIALIST!!!!". What a bunch of idiots.
you really have no idea how debt money works do you?
Are the true believers right, that debt can go on and on and on....and on? LOL
Lol. So you're a fan of capping atm withdrawal fees too, huh?
"Nowhere - NOWHERE - and NOT ONCE has Bernie said government will own all private businesses".
To the best of my knowledge that is true.
"And Trump is just playing to the knuckle-dragging base of the GOP".
That is absolutely true. But what you fail to realize is that Sanders is guilty of the same thing. Pushing thoroughly discredited ideology as though it's hip and modern. Passing "democratic socialism" off as anything but Marxism is deceitful. Nothing about Marx's theories is modern or hip. His adulterant fueled theories were recognized by all to be foolish before the turn of the last century as capitalism or specifically free markets, was bringing more out of abject poverty then at any time in history. It was self evident.
Understandably, many think because what we have today is an abomination then that must mean the perceived opposite must be the answer and of course that is illogical. Some might argue that it's Hegelian in nature.
Tend to agree, to hell with Sanders anyway... Have you heard Trump saying the minimum wage should be decreased? He understands competitiveness but I think he also understands Hunger Games. He's the only frickin' prayer you yanks have at any rate and hey, after what Canada just elected, you guys are lucky to have Trump as a candidate.
Sounds like a win win there to me.
bernie is a paleodemocrat in the mold of hh humphrey and even rfk. he will take the mantle as the defender of the middle class. trump is all business. they converge on healthcare and foreign policy. that is why both parties hate them equally.
What foreign policy? Has Bolton, his chief fp advisor approved?
Trump will make this shit-show sooo much more entertaining.
Sworn in at noon - WWIII by 5pm. And I'm a Trump supporter. Jeesh...
Trump is probably our best hope to stay out of war, so IMO he'll be either JFK'd or O's handlers will goad the bear once too often.
Trump does not want a war. He wants a Deal. He is the Deal Man.
Trump/Putin 2016!
Well, its time to stop postponing it and lets get it on!! It is happening one way or another and the longer we wait, the worse position we will be in....let' get it going, crash the banksters/oligarchs and start over.
That's great for the world peace.
as long as it isn't Groundhog Day again with another corrupt banker lovefest between federal govt and bankers.
I don't see this as good news necessarily. Clinton would be much easier to beat in a general election than Sanders. She's so much more vulnerable to Trump style character attacks.
Recall how Trump always says "Clinton says she wants to run against me because I'm actually the last person she wants to run against." Well, Trump also is fond of saying "I'd love to run against Bernie." Hmmm.
The collapse is due to the Trump slap the Clintons suffered a few weeks ago. By bringing up Sick Willy's sordid past and cankle's enabling of said past, Trump has done Bernie's dirty work for him.
I would vote for Hillary for dogcatcher, in the hope that a savage dachshund would eat her. Alive.
Not even a hungry pit bull would go after Hitlery's stinking cunt.
She would attract a lot of cats to the fishy smell, though.
Youtube Nick Lowe's Marie Provost
Hillary stinks of corruption and death so badly that it couldn't be covered up any more.
Cruz was outed as a lying bankster funded puppet.
No one 'came to their senses': the scumbags are just so obviously criminals that it simply can't be ignored...
All that Trump has going for him is that he is running with his own stash and not borrowing from banksters or hustling foreign despots for campaign funds like Cruz and Clinton so obviously have..
I somehow keep having to remind everyone that MSM loves Trump as measured by the amount of exposure it gives him and that Bolton is his chief FP advisor?
Bolton is one of the people who signed PNAC, the report calling for "A new Pearl Harbour", which became 9/11.
I would not project a neutral nor mild foreign policy. Expect brown people that are in Israeli's way to get bombed a lot at American expense.
Bolton has been a Second Amendment proponent; he does have a lot of Internationalist ideology, though.
at least we know what country's govts need to bombed to hell and gone when they give money to these scumbag politicians in the US... if we actually need to bomb anything
I really want to see this evil woman break down on national television and have to be carried out.
HILLARY FOR PRISON 2016!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R20f-TPKjzc
She uses Webb Hubbell's bastard child for that.
After seeing her in orange several times I do think she should wear it every day.
After seeing her in orange several times I do think she should wear it every day.
No problem. Hillary can still pull it off.
All she needs to do is have better scripts for her staged events, keep further away from real voters, make sure she never has to answer any un-vetted questions, more clapping seals in the audiences for her "debates", and more suck-ups planted in the media. And some more botox work and better wigs would help, too.
The more she stays out of sight, the better she does in the polls.