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Bill Gross' Advice To Traders As Stocks Crash

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In a time when the S&P fluctuates with unprecedented velocity and investors need HFT-like reflexes to catch any momentum move, this may be the most practical advice to traders we have heard today.

In an email to Bloomberg, the former (and currently in contention for the title with Jeff Gundlach) bond king Bill Gross says to "stay out of the bathroom" as stock markets enter bear territory.

For those who ate Chipotle.coli for lunch, our condolences.

Some more Gross courtesy of Bloomberg:

“Markets are recognizing the limited tools they now have to prop up assets AND real economies,” Gross, who manages the $1.3 billion Janus Global Unconstrained Bond Fund, said in an e-mail.


Stocks fell around the world today, with U.S. equities trading at the lowest levels since August as oil plunged below $30 a barrel. Treasuries gained as U.S. economic data did little to ease concerns that global growth is slowing.


“Wealth effect constructed with paper - sometimes corrugated/strong, sometimes toilet/flimsy,” Gross said in a Tweet on Friday from the Janus Capital Group Inc. account. “Stay out of the bathroom.”


Gross warned in December that markets were headed for a fall and urged urged investors to de-risk their portfolios or “look around like Wile E. Coyote wondering how far is down,” a reference to the cartoon character whose schemes to catch the bird Road Runner always backfire, often with a plunge over a cliff.


In his e-mail, Gross said that zero-percent interest rates and quantitative easing created leverage that fueled a wealth effect and propped up markets in a way that now seems unsustainable.

His conclusion: "The wealth effect is created by leverage based on QE’s and 0% rates."

In other words, it was all an illusion.

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Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:32 | 7052288 Squid Viscous
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even better advice for Shit-potle food handlers

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:33 | 7052297 BullyBearish
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Eeetz always beeeeen about Liqueeeediteeeee!

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:35 | 7052313 Soul Glow
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Toilet paper burns the same as dollars.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:41 | 7052342 undermind
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Why waste good toilet paper?  Great barter currency!

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:44 | 7052355 NoDebt
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Why is it no matter how much of Gross' stuff I read I feel like I've never learned anything new?  I mean other than his strange predilection with death.


Sat, 01/16/2016 - 03:22 | 7053192 Supernova Born
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The buy and hold shall ride into Valhalla.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:33 | 7052301 Buckaroo Banzai
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Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:36 | 7052320 yrad
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"In his e-mail, Gross said that zero-percent interest rates and quantitative easing created leverage that fueled a wealth effect and propped up markets in a way that now seems unsustainable."



Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:53 | 7052401 ThroxxOfVron
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"I made a fortune skimming the Bond Bull while America was hollowed out."

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 02:39 | 7054395 TAALR Swift
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IOW... long ropes and short Wall St necks.

Drop the trap door.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:38 | 7052292 remain calm
Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:34 | 7052305 Son of Captain Nemo
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Thank you you motherfucker!...

After you spray the porcelain shit seat with pine scented spray... May we hang you in the same place you took your "dump"?!!!

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:34 | 7052306 Make_Mine_A_Double
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Stay out of the bathroom......did he just short Shitpolte?


Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:37 | 7052326 bamawatson
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they have plenty of liquidity

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:39 | 7052332 E.F. Mutton
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Fri, 01/15/2016 - 18:51 | 7053050 Lost in translation
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dayum you guys are killin' me!!

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:36 | 7052315 The Carbonator
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The Obama Regime needs to BAN selling stocks.  If you buy its a Good trade.  If you sell its an Assault Trade.




Fixed it.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 18:50 | 7053046 Lost in translation
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We disappeared some (CEO) folks.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:36 | 7052318 4 wheel drift
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vomitorium ok ?

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:37 | 7052323 Sudden Debt
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Weird how they all figure it out when the game is over.

Give it another months and there will be hundreds of "smart" people who saw it comming and tried to tell everybody.


Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:38 | 7052330 NEOSERF
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I would say, "Look up".  Both to make sure the sky isn't falling and that some dumbass trader hasn't jumped.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:44 | 7052357 Spitzer
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havn't read it yet. Is he reccomending treasuries too ? Like the last article > and the article before that ?


Hey China and the Fed are selling, lets step infront of that train

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:46 | 7052367 I woke up
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I'm hearing it from people at work already how much they already "lost" but had no intention of cashing out anyway

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:52 | 7052392 zipit
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Tell us when they finally cash out to make the pain stop.  That'll be the bottom.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:55 | 7052405 ThroxxOfVron
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When the markets are closed to selling, and they can't sell at any price -THAT will be the bottom.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 18:19 | 7052909 Niall Of The Ni...
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They're the smart ones.

Wall Street makes much of its living convincing low-info investors to buy dear and sell cheap.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:47 | 7052371 Roark12
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Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:47 | 7052375 northern vigor
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Ohhh, they're going to the bathroom all right...they're crapping themselves.


Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:52 | 7052393 Seal
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Where there is construction there must be destruction - Ma Kali

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:52 | 7052395 viator
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"it was an (government created, central planned) illusion."

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:53 | 7052398 drivenZ
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Bill gross stating the obvious. Even Bernanke outright admitted this years ago (see: "wealth effect"). whether it was all an illusion or just partially an illusion remains to be seen.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 16:59 | 7052428 Midnight Rider
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Tech Bubble, Housing Bubble, Bubble Bubble. All illusions. End of Story.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 17:07 | 7052480 robnume
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WTF? We're supposed to believe now that Bill Gross of 'Pimpco' fame has our back? Get the Fuck Off of My Planet! This guy's been sucking at the gubmint teat forevahhh!

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 17:14 | 7052537 drivenZ
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He hasn't always been right but Bill has actually been a solid voice of reason the past 5-10 years. 

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 17:17 | 7052564 MrButtoMcFarty
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Fri, 01/15/2016 - 17:23 | 7052614 falak pema
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its only 15 T of digital money...

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 17:42 | 7052729 Salsipuedes
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LEVERAGE! (is a bitch...). He sold it as well as most. Fuck off skinny.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 17:54 | 7052776 NoWayJose
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You can't stay out of the bathroom -- if you've eaten at Chipotle!

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 18:16 | 7052896 Niall Of The Ni...
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You know what this is? Another taper tantrum.

Bond yields are falling because the smart money fully expects Aunt Janet to give the naughty children on Walll Street what they want, and fed funds to go back to zero.

Once Wall Street starts getting free money again, everything will be awesome again---at least for those on Wall Street who bought equities and oil futures from the rubes at a fraction of fair value.

By all means, sell the FANGs before they bite you any harder. Buy the dip on everything else.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 20:26 | 7053422 Dark Daze
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You know the really fucking crazy indicator in the US stock market is AMZN. I was stunned a few months ago when I saw it had a P/E of over 500. Now the P/E/ is over 850. The NY Jews won't  let go because they think they will actually see a profit some day. Hahahahahahahaha.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 18:55 | 7053064 Lost in translation
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"In his e-mail, Gross said that zero-percent interest rates and quantitative easing created leverage that fueled a wealth effect and propped up markets in a way that now seems unsustainable."


shocking I say, just shocking!!  Oh, thank you, Bill, thank you!  Does anyone else know? 


Fri, 01/15/2016 - 19:43 | 7053256 gould's fisker
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"We" impoverished some people . . . don't let the toilet seat hit you on the head when you're done puking out all those unicorns you were counting on.

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 20:23 | 7053406 Tegrat
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I have been long TZA since about $41. This time. lol


Fri, 01/15/2016 - 20:23 | 7053407 Dark Daze
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Illusion? It was not an illusion for the big swinging dicks that have already cashed out for hundreds of millions in profits and protection from the coming hyperinflation. Whenever you see a dick........

Fri, 01/15/2016 - 21:57 | 7053835 r3phl0x
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He means the "Jerk Off And Cry" room.

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