"After Me, The Jihad," Gaddafi Tried To Warn The West, But Nobody Listened

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Submitted by Dan Sanchez via TheAntiMedia.org,

Before the French Revolution and its Reign of Terror, Louis XV predicted, “After me, the Deluge.” Before being overthrown, Libya’s secular dictator tried to warn the West of a new Reign of Terror, essentially foretelling, “After me, the Jihad.”

This was disclosed with the recent release of phone conversations from early 2011 between Muammar Gaddafi and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

The West was then gearing up to use unrest in Libya as a pretext for military intervention and regime change. Gaddafi desperately tried to convey through Blair the folly of such a war, pleading that he was trying to defend Libya from Al Qaeda, which had set up base in the country. He said:

“They have managed to get arms and terrify people. people can’t leave their homes… It’s a jihad situation. They have arms and are terrorising people in the street.”

Gaddafi’s warning went unheeded, and NATO, led by the U.S. and France, launched an air war that toppled Libya’s government. Later that year, Gaddafi (himself a brutal oppressor, like all heads of state) was forced out of a drainage pipe, and then beaten, sodomized, and shot in the street by a mob. His corpse was then draped over the hood of a car.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who had done more than any single person to advance the Libya War, was informed of Gaddafi’s death while on camera. Fancying herself a modern Caesar, she chortled, “We came, we saw, he died!

Since then, Gaddafi has been proven tragically right. As Libya descended into civil war and failed-state chaos, jihadi groups connected to Al Qaeda conquered much of the country. Libya underwent the same American “liberation” that had already befallen Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia — and would soon be visited on Syria and Yemen.

Shortly after Gaddafi’s overthrow, some of the now-rampant jihadis helped the CIA run guns from Benghazi to fellow jihadis in Syria.

Benghazi had been a rebel stronghold. The Obama administration claimed a Gaddafi-perpetrated “genocide” was imminent in that city, using that claim as the chief justification for the war. There was zero indication of such an impending atrocity. But there was ample evidence of an Al Qaeda presence in Benghazi, as Gaddafi tried to tell Blair, saying that members had “…managed to set up local stations and in Benghazi have spread the thoughts and ideas of al Qaeda.”

After the regime change, on September 11, 2012, the jihadis turned on their U.S. allies in Benghazi, sacked the U.S. diplomatic compound, and murdered Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Now ISIS has spread throughout Libya. Just days ago, ISIS perpetrated a truck bombing that killed dozens at a Libyan police academy in Sirte, a former Gaddafi stronghold. Indeed, Gaddafi informed Blair that jihadis had “attacked police stations” back in 2011.

Gaddafi further warned Blair:

“They want to control the Mediterranean and then they will attack Europe.”

And ISIS has, indeed, been battling to take control of Libya’s main oil ports in recent weeks. The group has also long been planning to use Libya as a base from which to launch attacks on nearby southern Europe. ISIS did strike Europe recently, most famously in Paris.

And it was not just Gaddafi personally who had been ringing such alarms to the Western powers thirsting for his blood. His intelligence officers produced reports demonstrating that heavy weapons being sent to the Libyan opposition, with NATO approval and Qatari financing, were being funneled to militants with ties to Al Qaeda. At least one of those reports was even prepared in English to facilitate its transmission to key members of Congress via U.S. intelligence.

Yet, there was no need for the West to rely on the Libyan regime for information about the jihadi threat. Indeed, as emails recently released by the State Department reveal, Hillary Clinton’s own right-hand man had informed her before Gaddafi’s overthrow that rebels were committing war crimes, and that “…radical/terrorist groups such as the Libyan Fighting Groups and Al Qa’ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) are infiltrating the NLC and its military command.”

As Brad Hoff reports, that same email discloses that, very early in the Libyan crisis, “British, French, and Egyptian special operations units were training Libyan militants along the Egyptian-Libyan border, as well as in Benghazi suburbs.”

They would soon be joined by U.S. special forces and the CIA.

The war in Libya that Hillary Clinton, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, and Samantha Power of the National Security Council were driving toward was so predictably a fiasco-to-come that, behind the backs of the Amazon Warriors Three, America’s top generals conspired with leftie peacenik Congressman Dennis Kucinich to try to arrange a peaceful resolution to the crisis. But the war-making diplomats triumphed over the diplomacy-making soldiers. Hillary buffaloed the brass and got her war.

Abundant warnings of a Jihadi Deluge continued after the regime change, as well. As Nancy Youssef wrote at The Daily Beast:

“…many celebrated Libya as a success story of limited U.S. intervention despite obvious signs there of looming instability. The British consulate in Benghazi came under an attempted assassination attack the previous summer and other nations pulled out amid rising violence. The U.S. consulate in Benghazi suffered an improvised bomb attack around the time of the strike on the British. And there were early signs of a rising jihadist presence in the eastern city. In Tripoli, Sufi shrines were destroyed. (…)

 

“In the months leading up to the [2012 Benghazi] attack, flags belonging to a jihadist group, Ansar al Sharia, appeared in Benghazi. Ansar al Sharia members also controlled security around certain government buildings, including the hospital that would try to save Stevens.

 

“In that ensuing power vacuum, jihadists began claiming territory, making it difficult for the moderate government to control the country. By 2013, Libya’s oil production all but stopped as the nation plunged toward civil war and a state led by two rival governments on opposite ends of the country. Efforts to create a unity government have so far faltered. Benghazi, the birthplace of the 2011 uprising, became a terrorist haven. And today, many Libyans yearn for the return of Gaddafi, however dictatorial his regime was, because of the security that came with him.”

Conservative politicos have long strained to use Benghazi to torpedo Hillary’s bid for the presidency. But their efforts are crippled by their own fundamental agreement with Hillary’s militarism. They support the general policy of employing jihadis to overthrow secular dictators (not only in Libya, but Syria too). So they limit themselves to whining about Hillary’s security measures.

The true Benghazi scandal indicts not just Hillary, but the entire Western power elite, whose wars have, as Gaddafi warned, flooded the world with a Jihadi Deluge and installed a postdiluvian Reign of Terror over us all.

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Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:14 | 7057084 matermaker
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LOL   how can you downvote that?!    i guess you assume the lil jewsih baby should be fed to the coytoes?  wow... you kids are such fodder.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:19 | 7057092 matermaker
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I'll exlpain something else to you... there are VERY few jews left in Europe or any other nations.   Between Israel and the US, there are fewere than 20 mill.........  there just aren't that many left.   IF YOU REALLY want to congeal a populus around a hate for one group of people?    make it a bigger group.     'cause when you run out of those you hate, and things haven't changed?   you will turn on yourself.

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Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:25 | 7057103 matermaker
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I personally don't believe that even moses really existed.  There is no real evidence of a mass exodus from Egypt.  There is a plethora of evidence from areas such as Midean coming into an era of montheism.

though, i'm absol;utely floored that you could use any of these mythologocial names and twist them into a way to give you reign to hate folks.. maybe kill them?  what does it gain you?

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:45 | 7057136 actionjacksonbrownie
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Holy fuckin' Jezuz...  hijack much???

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 07:34 | 7057529 PrezTrump
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Wow dude, you started great.

Then you got dragged down into shit you can't win.

Read it again to see how they did that, and you will learn how to counter.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 00:29 | 7057194 Seek_Truth
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You might try educating yourself by reading the links I posted rather than embarrassing yourself further.

IN SUMMARY:

"JEW" as a word that did not exist until the 18th century, at which time it had the meaning "any resident of JUDEA, REGARDLESS OF THEIR RELIGION."

"Jew", over the past few hundred years, has come to mean "a practicer of "Judaism."

Jew = Judaism= RELIGION based on the Babylonian Talmud. (Modern usage).

"YAHWEHIST" = RELIGION based on the Mosaic Law, the Torah, worshipping Yahweh.

"ISRAEL/ISRAELITE" = TRIBE (ancient, Old Testament, Biblical sense) means a descendant of Jacob (son of Isaac, son of Abraham) that lived in the ancient Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. (Genesis 35:10)

"ISRAEL" = RELIGION (modern, New Testament, Biblical sense)True Christian that has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. (Galatians 3, Romans 10)

"ISRAEL/ISRAELI" = SECULAR NATION (modern sense) means a dweller in the modern nation of Israel that came about through the Balfour Declaration and the political and financial intrigues of the Walter Rothschild.

"HEBREW" = LANGUAGE spoken by ancient and modern peoples.

 

 

 

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:36 | 7057269 Which way to th...
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Just throwing this out there. I haven't read the book, but have read several articles discussing this topic. https://www.darkmoon.me/2015/the-first-jewish-lie-the-old-testament-fabr... https://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/isil-helps-israel-conceal-its-... Another reason as to why KSA is pounding the hell out of Yemen, other than for the oil and their Shia.  Destroy all evidence of past peoples who have lived in north Yemen. Food for thought.

 

Bubbles

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 06:54 | 7057473 I need more asshats
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Ah fuck all of that. REAL Americans want their fucking gold back that the fucking joos stole.

And we will get it back, BANK on it!

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:47 | 7057294 LetsGetPhysical
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You need to come to the realization you worship a JEW. JESUS WAS A JEW. He was not a white indo-European. Deal with it. Not only that the bible that all Christians hold as sacred is ROMAN.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 03:06 | 7057348 Seek_Truth
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You need to come to the realization that no matter how many times you repeat those lies, it will never make them true.

Here are the facts:

Jesus was not a "jew."

FIRST:

The word never existed until the 18th century, and the word it was translated from meant "Judea", a province of Rome.

Jesus lived in Gallilee, not Judea: “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee.” - Matthew 21:11

SECOND:

Jesus practiced Yahwehism, from the Mosaic Law handed down from Moses, found in the Torah in Exodus, and further expounded upon in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. This involved sacrificing animals on an altar to redeem sins, (Leviticus 4:20,26,31,35; 5:10; 12:8; 14:20; 16:19) and not charging interest to fellow Yahwehites (Deueronomy 23:19,20)

Judaism practices neither of these.

"Jew", over hundreds of years since the 18th century, has changed its meaning from "a resident of Judea" (which, as proved above He was not), to its modern day meaning of a practicer of Judaism.

SO:

On neither count was Jesus ever considered a "Jew."

No one commented that Jesus was an Indo-European other than you.

Joseph and Mary were descended from the tribes of Levi and Judah, who count their ancestry through Shem- hence the term "semite."

The Bible is not Roman- The Old Testament existed hundreds of years before Rome existed, and was originally written in Hebrew.

The New Testament was written betwee 70 and 200 AD, and was originally written in Aramaic and Greek- not  Latin.

You make the mistake of most anti-Christian novices that do not recognize the difference between Papyri, Manuscipts, and Codexes.

Even though attempts were made to alter the New Testament, they were unsuccessful. We know this because there are papyri from the 1st and 2nd century that can be compared to later manuscripts, so you are incorrect that the New Testament has been altered in any way, shape, or form. In addition, the Bible proves itself to be His word by (1) virtue of fulfilled prophesy, (2) it's writers from diverse ages, backgrounds, nations and tongues, who all wrote a book with a coherent, cohesive, compelling account from Genesis to Revelation, (3) it's candor, and (4)the preservation and integrity of its contents throughout history.

http://www.dts.edu/read/wallace-new-testament-manscript-first-century/

http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm

https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence

Here are the facts regarding "christianity":

True Christianity has existed since the days of Christ (1st century), and it still exists to this day. The great apostacy that occured under Constantine in the 3rd century should not surprise anyone- it was foretold to occur in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A1-12

Constantine founded the Roman (apostate) church (franchise).

From the Roman franchise sprang Orthodox and Catholic "christian" franchises.

From the Catholic franchise sprang Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostal and all other forms of "christian" franchises. These all retain most of the pagan teachings (which aren't found in the Bible) of the Roman franchise.

True Christianity can only be found by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Redeemer- putting your faith in Him, praying for Him to open your eyes as you study His word, the Bible.

Anyone who says you must pay them to learn what Christianity is, is operating a franchise.

"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time" - 1 Timothy 2:5-6

 

 

 

 

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 04:02 | 7057370 BigDuke6
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Boring twat

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 04:13 | 7057373 Tall Tom
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And you are the epitome of insipidity.

 

Only boring people as yourself become bored.

 

Your lack of contribution demonstrates a poverty of knowledhe.

 

How sad that you suffer so from impoverishment.

 

Would you care to trade more ad hominems you pusilanomous pissmeyer?

 

Your lack of spine does give you the advantage of being able to autofellate. Is that why you amuse yourself in that fashion?

 

Perhaps you prefer sodomiing young boys. It is the depeche mode of the noveau wealthy, I've read.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 07:22 | 7057508 bigkahuna
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I get your logic in all but one aspect. I have suspected that the Bible that we have today may have omissions or inclusions that can be used to distort Jesus's intent. Baseline for me are Commandments 1 and 2 - all the rest should fall in line :-)

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 10:46 | 7057865 Grin Bagel
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S-T: Perhaps an analysis of what are "beliefs", if not  other than a personal acceptance of a story, or myth, help quell your underlying rigidity.

May I suggest that we are here in physical to learn to make good decisions along the guidelines of the golden rule and sustainability of nature. This and only this, and to do it in a way that is beautiful and pleasurable to one and all.

All the rest drains energy into dark spaces.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:21 | 7057089 BobEore
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You're on a roll.

In the midst of your 'certainties' - from 'fairly certian'[sic]to rock solid - a troubling phenomena looms. You give nothing at all to back your assertions - and end your diatribe by projecting onto others the net effect of striking out on every point you make.

Jesus - was a "Galilean." At the time of his life, that territory was not under the physical control of 'the Jews of Judea;' and as with much of the surrounding territories, those who were putatively 'Jews' there at the time. were so under conditions of recent forced conversion from their pagan faiths - hardly a solid foundation from which to build a[zionist-designed]case for he being "one of them."

"Italian bankers that started modern banking in the Renaissance, not jews." Apparently you are easily deceived by surface appearance: the diaspora of 'Jewish' financial personnel all over Europe resulted in a tight network of traders and their credit suppliers who ruled over commerce in not just the Levantine, but all of the Mediterrean countries[most particularly Italy and Spain]. Your supposition that those who held Venetian or Florencian citizenship could not and did not belong to a certain religious/ethnic persuasion is specious - and an abuse of the historical record.

Medicis were famous for their protection and encouragment of Jewish financiers expelled from other regions. A Marrano Jew who 'converted' to Catholicism was adopted by the Medicis - his sons become Medicis by name and effectively made that banking empire - and the Popes who sprang from it - a crypto-Jewish affair. Black and white pronouncement upon historical truths are seldom capable of holding up under scrutiny. A more correct reading would be that "Italians" who cultivated the favor - and capital - of rich Jewish financiers leveraged that relationship into a banking and commercial sector which over time became almost the exclusive province of those same "Jews."

For reasons of space I will leave it at that one example - but suffice to say, the rest:

"The east India Trading company, not jews.  Napoleon, not a jew.  Carnagie, Rockerfellar, Morgan and the rest... not jews"... are equally deserving of a dissection in the interest of truth. Which can be provided if needed.

Suggestion: begin to include the term "crypto" in your collection of concepts, and then learn to apply it where needed, in granting us access to your take on historical matters. Makes all the difference.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:28 | 7057107 matermaker
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I will ask this of ALL of you.... are you suggesting that there is a jewish gene that i should hate and wish to kill?

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:30 | 7057111 matermaker
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Are you suggesting to me.... everything bad in the world and in current times is because of jews?   of which x-stianity is half?

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:34 | 7057118 matermaker
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Are you trying to suggest that evil, arrogant and greedy men don't exist in the other whatever frigg'n percentage of humans?  are you suggesting that there weren't real christian sons' of bitches... real muslim sons' of bitches... real hindu son's of bitches?      are you suggesting that SOMEHOW jews have a lock on manipulating the planet?      are you guys really that daft?

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:48 | 7057141 Seek_Truth
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Are you illiterate, or just high on drugs, alcohol, or both?

Do you bother to read replies, or just go off on rants when you are PROVEN WRONG?

Here is a point from my FIRST reply to you in this thread:

"No- it's not all "jews" that are to blame..."

Ron White was spot on about you- "You can't fix stupid."

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 00:20 | 7057179 matermaker
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then what stupid are you trying to fix?!  that SOME jews are evil?   i'd assume some x-stians are... some hindus are... YOU TOTALLY JUST BANKRUPTED YOUR ASSININE MYTHOLOGY....   by saying , 'yes, obviously not all jews are evil"    

 

DUH?    quit viewing people in such groups.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:42 | 7057133 Seek_Truth
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You prove over and over how uneducated you are on the subject.

Helpful hints: "jew" is a word that didn't exist until the 18th century. It originall meant "a resident of Judea", whatever thier religion, but over just the last few hundred years, through "semantic shift", has come to be synonomous with "Judaism", a RELIGION!

So, NO- there is no "jewish" gene!

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 04:03 | 7057369 Tall Tom
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Sorry...you are mistaken.

 

From the King James Version, published in the Seventeenth Century,

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

 

The King James Version (KJV), also known as the Authorized Version (AV) or King James Bible (KJB), is an English translationof the Christian Bible for the Church of England that begun in 1604 and completed in 1611.[a]

 

Revelation 3:9 states...

 

 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

I am sorry brother.

 

Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, the Christ's lineage being traced through King David.

 

Jews are from the tribe of Judah and are genetically related as Benjamites are from the tribe of Benjamin, as Levites are from the tribe of Levi...etc...etc...etc...

 

They are offspring of Judah, one of the sons of Jacob.

 

Jacob was also known as Israel...

 

Jesus was a Jew, regardless if he was from Nazereth in Galilee. He was related to Jacob's son Judah.

 

Israel is a race, a family of genetically related people..

 

The genealogies are very important. That is the reason why both Mary;s and Joseph's are included in the Gospels. And they included Joseph's even though the Christ was not generated from his seed just in case that someone called into question the miracle conception.

 

Oh yes. There are counterfeits. But that bloodline is still on Earth to this day.

 


 


Sun, 01/17/2016 - 05:41 | 7057398 Seek_Truth
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No need to be sorry, bro.

It's late and you missed the salient points, to wit:

"Jews" was not the word used in the 17th century KJV, it was "Iewes":

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Revelation-Chapter-2/#9

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Revelation-Chapter-3/#9

It wasn't until the 18th century revised version that the word "Jews" was first used:

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/origin_of_the_word_jew.html

As I stated elswhere in this thread, Joseph and Mary were descended from the tribes of Levi and Judah.

However, "Iewes", later translated "Jews" referred to anyone, regardless of religion or race, who resided in Judea (see above link for details).

Just as the word Texan" means an inhabitant of Texas.

It did not refer to the tribe of Judah, or Judahites.

It took hundreds of years to morph the meaning of the word "Jew" to mean "a practicer of Judaism."

Just like the word "gay" originally" meant "happy" it now means"sodomite."

Again, to summarize:

"Jew" (original meaning, 18th century) = Judean, any inhabitant of the Roman province of Judea.

"Jew" (modern meaning) = Judaic, a practicer of the religion of Judaism.

"Jew" never referred to the tribe of Judah, a Judahite (though it in understandable that some leap to this conclusion).

So- Jesus was not a "Jew", ever. Nor was Jesus a "Judean", ever.

Because He was from Gallilee, not Judea.

But- Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, and the tribe of Levi. That does not make him a "Jew."

ALSO:

AS explained elsewhere in this thread, nor was Jesus a follower of JUdaism (Which is Talmudic Phariseeism)

Rather, Jesus was a Yahwehist- a follower of the Mosaic Law, the Law of Moses, found in the Torah- which He fulfilled by becoming the ultimate sacrificial "lamb."

FURTHER:

Yes, Israel is Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham, and his offspring, the scattered 12 tribes of Israel. Their bloodline still exists, and is found throughout the globe, yet salvation is only by the blood of Christ, the Lamb- not in any other way. (Romans 5, Galatians 3). That is the case for every human- no matter the ancestry.

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 06:58 | 7057478 I need more asshats
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Idiots and your magic man in the clouds.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:40 | 7057130 matermaker
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Over the last 1000 years.. Jews have been perseucuted, killed, expelled and much more.   In the last 1000 years, jews have not had a nation or natonalism...  They've been on the brink of extinction from persecution many times.

So.... you're trying to tell me?   all this time, they've been oh so powerful and pulling the strings?   sounds more like an easy thing for nationalists to blame for their own shit going south.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:46 | 7057137 matermaker
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BLAMING THE JEWS FOR THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS IS LIKE BLAMING PORN FOR HERPES.   THERE JUST AREN'T THAT MANY JEWS, ANYMORE!      YOU CAN TRY TO AGRUE THAT THEY STARTED GREED, BUT HEY?  IT WAS CONTAGEOUS.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:50 | 7057142 PT
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https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/07/28/how-the-ashkenazi-je...

plus the other links above.  Again, I'm not the smartest guy on this subject.  Some people claim that Hebrews are not Jews, and the links I provided explain why.

Open up your Bible in Deuteronomy.  (29? 30?  I can't remember).  The Jews ( / Israelites, whatever you wish to call them ) are about to enter the land of Canaan, God gives them a bunch of rules to live by, one of which is "When you lend money to fellow Israelites, do not charge them interest.  When you lend money to non-Israelites, you may charge them interest.  In this way I shall make you prosperous in the land you are about to enter."

Now find a modern Israelite ( / Jew / whatever you/we think they are ) and ask him if he pays interest on his home loan?  He'll laugh at you.  Of course he does.  He's just one of the little people like you and me.  Now look at the biggest banks in the world and who owns those banks.  They are disproportionately owned by Jews.  But don't take my word for it.  I haven't investigated ownership very thoroughly so you'll have to find out whether I'm right or wrong.

Jews make up 2.5% of US population, 25% of Congress and you can't become a member of Congress unless you swear allegiance to AIPAC.  I don't know if this is true.  I'm just repeating what I have read.  You'll have to investigate for yourself.

Back to that Bible passage in Deuteronomy.  It was written, what, 5000 years ago?  Why have NOT the sheeple woken up yet?  Okay, perhaps the sheeple have only had access to the Bible since the invention of the printing press, a few centuries ago.  And sometimes Bibles have been banned from different countries.  If the sheeple CHOOSE to be ignorant, perhaps they deserve to be fleeced?

One thing I do know for sure is that the money changers own the world and rule it by enslaving everybody through debt.  You don't need much to figure this much out.  Just a pen, a piece of paper and perhaps a pocket calculator.  (A computer does make it easier).  Others say the money-changers are dis-proportionately Jews.  Those guys usually name the names for you but I haven't investigated it that hard but again, why let the associated Gentiles off the hook?  And why blame the 80, 90 or whatever % Jews that are suffering as much as the rest of us?  (And, needless to say, hows about we apply some logic and consistency in the Jews/banker problems and the Muslims/terrorist problems?)

Jesus had the right idea.  "Who's head is on this coin?" ("Caesar")  "Then give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God".

I never understood that passage until a few years ago.  Now I see it as a call to simply stop using money all together.  It's not yours so don't use it.  Don't work for it.  What's the point if it is never really yours?  (Hard to actually do for us wusses in the modern world.)

The rich man wanted to know how to enter heaven.
Jesus:  "Obey all them rules God gave to Moses."
Rich Man:  "I already do that."
Jesus:  "Then sell everything you have, give the money to the poor and then follow me."
Rich Man ( and 99.9999999999999999% of all Christians after that including me ):  "Ouch!  That's too hard.  Best not to think about it."

Various Religious Cults and TV Preachers:  "Money is evil so give it all to me."
(Jesus (Probably) :  "I did NOT say that!")

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 00:01 | 7057157 matermaker
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I'M not very fond of the bible.. old testament or anything other than the gospels in the new one...   is it not your book that you read from in church?

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 03:41 | 7057363 PT
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Then how on earth do you know what you are talking about?

You should try it some day.  Just as an exercise, forget everything you have been told and then start on page one.  Then compare what is says with what you have been told.  Also, compare what it meant back then to what it means today.  I tell you right now that there are one or two passages in it that make more sense today than they did back when it was written.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 00:48 | 7057213 matermaker
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you're a bible thumping 'truth seeker' that has ulterior motives.   you're a zealot man... back it up with truth and logic or nothing.   i'm not going to blame the jews for the world's problems, i'm sorry.   matter of fact?  here in northwest arkansas?  i know of no 'jew force' messing with walmart... but, you're going to feel that shit.   trust me.    there are NO JEWS RUNNING ARKANSAS... not walmart... not tyson... not jb hunt.     nothing.

watch what happens this week... and don't blame the jews.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 00:57 | 7057231 matermaker
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truth seeker would be run out of town like ronnie floyd when push came to shove... the man has zero loyalty and very high expextations.    

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:02 | 7057238 matermaker
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there is this church,, in my parts... with a HUGE price tag.. as i drive along the interstate... i wonder how jesus would frown and how man families they could have substained, per year... with their massive cross monuments, fountains, ponds... and what all else....

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:05 | 7057241 matermaker
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what would jesus think about that?  meglomaniacial bastards.  death to the money changers maybe?

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:14 | 7057253 matermaker
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But hey?  what do I care about your mytholgogy.....I will deal with that later... just keep in mind.... Warren Buffet, Obama and most of the bond kings are not jews.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 03:44 | 7057364 PT
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Jesus said it first:  "You will know them by WHAT THEY DO."

So many times, the uneducated have raised concerns that were already addressed in the book they insulted but never read.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:33 | 7056994 froze25
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The crusades were a response to about 650 years of Muslim occupation of Europe right, Spain good piece of France, Half Of Italy, Constantinople...hence now Istanbul. Basically the Germans, Austrians, Greeks and eastern Europeans pushed them back.  

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:38 | 7057008 matermaker
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that's right...   islam was introduced with the sword and won by the sword over about 100 years across north africa... not by jews, though.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:40 | 7057278 BobEore
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The Crusades were a result of that financial oligarchy we have discussed above eyeing the riches of Byzantium and then inveigling the noble classes of Europe into a campaign to supposedly reclaim 'the Holy Land' - but in truth to act as their dogsbodys in destroying the eastern most Christan empire so as to retrieve the spoils to themselves. 

Constantinople. and the wide territories it ruled, would never have fallen into Muslim hands had it not first been fatally weakended by the pillage and marauding of its 'fellow' Christians - who looted, sacked and murdered their way through that city and its Christian provinces, on the way to building a pirate treasure chest in Jerusalem and then becoming a banking powerhouseback home in rivalry with the jews who taught them.

One of the very few instances of successful double double crossing achieved by the Christian side over their judaic competitors in history. But with all such temporary successes, it ended badly, when Phillip drove the Templars out of France - at the behest of the usual suspects.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:01 | 7056920 matermaker
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Ford, Westinghouse, Hitler, Stalin,  Eisenhower.... not jews.....     IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE THESE WILD CLAIMS THAT JEWS RUN THE PLANET?   SHOW ME WITH DETAILS HOW VERY MUCH NON JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE CONSISTENTLY BEEN THE ONES FRACKING IT UP?      ....or are you going to tell me that they only work for the jews....

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:14 | 7056949 matermaker
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By the way, I'm not jewish.     I just loathe toe the line babticostals as much as islmaists.  At least, the jews haven't been trying to convert or conquer everyone for the last 1500 years.

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:24 | 7056975 matermaker
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To think that southern white x-stians think that jews are evil?   has one look at things from a higher orbit.   THE ENTIRE first half of the X-stian holy book was written by jews.  The southern X-stians believe in the outlandish stories of 6 creation, the great flood and all the rest...   THE CHRISTIANS SHARE HALF THEIR HOLY BOOK WITH THE JEWS THAT WROTE THE DAMN THING....      but hey?    they don't eat wine and crackers and are evil and responsible for everyting bad in the world....

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:49 | 7057032 matermaker
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When you try to blame an entire group of people, with a blanket condemnent... you better have some frigg'n proof to back it up..  I don't care if there have been some bad jewish actors... there have been MANY AMERICAN NON JEWISH actors over the last 100 years....    I'm just not going to be that guy who teaches his neices and nephews, "see those kids?!  they're you're age, but hate them!  they're evil!"

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:50 | 7057036 matermaker
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I'm fairly certain that Jesus would be absolutely outraged at that notion.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 00:10 | 7057170 matermaker
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haha!   REALLY?   do you downvote and condemn folks beceause that is what Jeus would do?   you power zealots are as bad as any one else... isis or otherwise....  definitely not looking very jesus like.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 00:15 | 7057171 matermaker
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i often wonder... what will keep the likes of your ilk from slaughtering anyone not like you.. if things got from bad to worse?  Nothing has in the last 1000 years... wanted to kill astronomers looking at the sun.. wanted to kill anyone who didn't confrorm...   The way you boys comment... it hasn't changed much.

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:00 | 7057237 - - - - - -
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lol

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 01:56 | 7057306 BobEore
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This guy has created more straw man arguments in one outing than most people could dream of creating in a life time.

As he seems more than content to natter away to himself, perphaps it is best to just leave him to it, and as you have done, simply provide a nod here and there in appreciation.

 

Sun, 01/17/2016 - 16:38 | 7059205 Sorry_about_Dresden
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he is just here to bury important content with his dribble. There must be some very important information, posted previous to his rants, that the troll is trying to conceal?

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 22:58 | 7057056 Seek_Truth
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I see you you are fond of replying to yourself, and by doing so, you only compound your error.

You don't understand what you are talking about, as I explained above.

Moses obeyed the Torah, the Mosaic Law.

Jews obey the Talmud, the traditions of men that Jesus Christ condemned. (Mark 7:13)

Jews do not make animal sacrifices as commanded by the Torah- they curse Jesus Christ and deny that He is the Messiah and the true lamb that takes away the sin of the world- the last sacrifice neccessary.

As such God rejects them unless they accept Christ as Lord ( Romans 10:5-9).

Sat, 01/16/2016 - 23:55 | 7057147 matermaker
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I PERSONALY DON'T BELIEVE JESUS WAS QUOTED VERY WELL IN THE GOSPELS... I CERTAINLY BEIEVE THAT PAUL WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A TOTAL ASSHAT POLITICIAN... I DON'T CARE FOR A THING HE SAYS.

WHAT YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND.... YOU HAVE NO GOD GIVEN MONOPOLY ON THIS LAND.  I OWN FARMLAND IN RURAL PARTS, AS WELL.   TALKING OUT YOUR ASS ABOUT JEWISH TERMS... NEVER SEEN ANYWHERE POINTED OUT TO ME WHERE JESUS WAS TO HAVE SAID, IXNAY ON THE ALMUDTAY...

i LOATHE YOU PEOPLE FOR SUGGESTING ANOTHER GROUP IS INFERIOR TO YOU MERELY BY THEIR MYTHOLOGY...

I'M SURE YOU WILL COUNT THE WAYS THAT I WILL BE SMYTED... BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?   FROM WHAT I READ IN THE GOSPELS, JESUS WAS A BIG OLE FREE LOVING HIPPY WHO HUNG OUT WITH A WHORE AND 12 OTHER DUDES... PREACHING TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.

YOU KIDS JUST DON'T REMIND ME OF WHAT JESUS MIGHT SAY.

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