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If Earnings Were "OK" And "We Are In A Bull Market", This Would Not Happen

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Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:38 | 7141773 JamesH
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love the smell of reality


Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:40 | 7141787 zorba THE GREEK
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This s$@t is just getting started

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:56 | 7141886 qweston content
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Did you want lard or cheese on your popcorn lol

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:03 | 7141923 knukles
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Easy Tyler.  You're gonna make Bob Pisonme feel bad.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:03 | 7141926 SuperRay
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I smell a big rally tomorrow on this news. In the new normal every day is Opposite Day

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:47 | 7141802 Takeaction2
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How many times do you guys come to ZH...a day?  Me...I would say 5 or more.  And you know what...?  Nothing surprises me.  Nothing.  The rapes from refugees, the dollar jumping all over hell, gold and silver spikes or smacked.  Oil at rock bottom, the bottom falling out of retail..real food prices through the roof.  House prices here in Portland, Or just jumped another 5%.  The $15 an hour thing is catching on here which will just bury businesses and force them to automate as well as fire many.  I just don't get it.  


This site is the last bit of reality....the last bit of sanity that one has.  The comments make my day.


2 questions?  How are people making it? And when does it really start going south (Bad)?

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:49 | 7141832 offwirenews
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dude I got ZH up all day haha

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:50 | 7141842 wildbad
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my first click in the AM and my last at night and anytime in between.  you will probably see the canary fall off is perch here first.  this is like a multi-year train wreck and this is the front row seat to financial reality

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:50 | 7141847 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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News flash, people aren't making it. I guess if you call living on credit "making it" then people are doing great. 

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:59 | 7141910 Winston Churchill
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I know a couple who went BK three years ago after living off their cc's after 2009.

Guess what, they are in the same position again.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:02 | 7141918 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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I must have offended a sport dork, lol

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:03 | 7141934 wildbad
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Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:14 | 7142009 Winston Churchill
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Like yesterdays sheep.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:34 | 7142143 Ward cleaver
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Where my wife works she says there r 3 types;
1. 2 jobs
2. Live paycheck to paycheck
3. Live off CC and then default

This is probably the norm for most of the poor working stiffs while Oblammy
tells us everything great and visits mosques to let us know islam a big part of US life and history. What a shit show

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:14 | 7142011 Mark Mywords
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We paid off $14 grand in debt in a little under two years. It was a struggle but well worth it. My hubby was a tremendous help and supporter. He knows I follow this economic shit like a religion and trusts me. I told him two years ago oil was at its peak. He gets it.

Now we just use our cards and pay them off monthly.

Buying a house with a mortgage that is at least half of what rent would cost for a two-bedroom apartment here helps a lot. We are not rich, but we are now comfortable, at least.

And coming to ZH and TickerForum prior helps me, too.

I may be a lefty, but I am not dumb.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:59 | 7141909 Pig Circus
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I been coming here since this place was a blog, reading through the smog and the fog and the bog.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:04 | 7141940 knukles
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When does it start going bad?  Huh?  Look around you!  It's falling apart at the seams!

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:22 | 7142042 Winston Churchill
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More like a bolted down diesel that thrown a rod.Jerking around waiting to see which bolt gives way first.

Maybe another month or two, I doubt longer.

At least we have WWIII to look forward to.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:08 | 7141968 Vlad the Inhaler
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Buy long dated puts, buy pet rocks, make popcorn, drink good beer.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:27 | 7142097 NoVa
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Pet Rocks - classic.

I have a Mr Bill kit where someone could make their own Mr Bill....


Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:10 | 7141980 NoVa
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2 answers since I have family in Portland.  nice place, but mostly Libtards

1.  I have a day job as do most ZH'ers

2.  IMHO, there needs to be another trigger event (like a Lehman, LTCM, an unex[pected central bank action or some spark like a real geopol war).

the spark will trigger an Asset Repricing across all risk asset classes with a corresponding flight to safety, i.e. US treasuries since Sovereigns now have risks negative rates.  equities, currencies, real estate (Comm and Residential) will all come under attack.  once risk assets find a bottom, time to move out of treasuries.  IMHO, we can see UST 10yr at 1.20%.  it closed today below 1.86 which was major resistance.  next resistance is 1.68% from Nov 2014.  1.86 was established last Jan 2015. 

Below 1.68 is free fall zone - all-time lows as we have never been there before. 


Negative rates by any country is just another way to devalue its currency. Devaluation cuts the purchasing power of its tax payers, fuels capital flight and creates illusions of prosperity. So when there are negative interest rates, think currency war or race to devalue. It is amazing to think about the number of times over the decades we have heard cries from US companies for a weak Dollar policy.

after UST 10yr hits bottom, we could see rates grind higher up through 2.50 to even 3.50 as countries deal with hyper-inflation resulting from over-reaction from central banks liquidity.  Think 1937.




Thu, 02/04/2016 - 21:35 | 7142738 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Spot on. Great post +100

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:14 | 7142013 Sweet Cheeks
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Re: How do people make it? When I go to the grocery store, I wonder the same thing, especially when considering young families.

Food is getting higher by the day and that includes Walmart which is high enough, but prices at the new Kroger and Brookshires make you reluctant to add anything to the buggy.

I can count on one hand the number of people I know who own their homes outright and have no credit card debit or car loans. I know ever fewer who are stocking up on the precious metals-gold, silver, and lead.

How are people making it. Not well, I'd say.

Re: When do things go south? Looks like it is pretty far south already, here in the oil path. Someone tell me what February 19, 2016 is all about because I keep seeing that is when the crash comes?

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:15 | 7142020 Havoc Squad
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1. living off the old cereal they find in the boxes of thrift store giveaways

2. probably cannibalism, but it's hard to consider most of the free shit army human.  

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:58 | 7142274 Exit through th...
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People are not making, especially those trying to keep a household together. We just keep cutting back. I went from a regular health plan to a High deductable plan, stopped going out to breakfast on Saturdays about a year ago. Clipping coupons, making one big shopping trip a week. Working more overtime whenever I can. I even went to a generic phone plan, no smart phone for me. Cost me $10 a month, roll over min. Almost never use it. two years ago we went 100% off grid, Solar small wind, Septic, well etc. So no utilities.  The Cable and Internet are next to go if needed. And we are still doing better than most people but its getting tough, and we still are not in the thick of this messy economy.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 20:48 | 7142512 CAPT DRAKE
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Sold the fucking useless minimansion, moved into a condo, cut mothly expensies by 60%, saving a bunch, though who knows why.   We greatly cut down on the amount of food we eat, its all bullshit anyway, and entertainment is the inexpensive stuff.    

So my friends come to our condo, the men really like it, say that this is where they need to be, but the women will not leave the big house.   So I say, they better get their head out of their asses because money isn't as easy to come by as it used to be and "storm clouds are forming".   One guy says who gives a fuck,  "If the SHTF, I'm better off in my 4000 sqft 2 story 5 bedroom house, with my $60K pickup."    "Who the fuck is going to come kick me out of it."   He has a point.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:39 | 7141781 wildbad
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down is the new up

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:54 | 7141873 Id fight Gandhi
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We are in a bull market. A Bullshit market.







Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:58 | 7141903 qweston content
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Why do people listen to economist with BS degree (bullshit degree) I can't wait until this thing craters

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:39 | 7141783 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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This has nothing to do with reality, trust me. +400

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:40 | 7141785 indygo55
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Has anyone asked Obama on camera who's peddlin' fiction now?


Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:06 | 7141950 SuperRay
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The presstitutes know the rules. You want access? Then STFU

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:24 | 7142080 Sweet Cheeks
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Anyone working for the government is clueless about the economy. They have a guaranteed income, automatic pay raises, no layoffs, worlds's best pension plan, and terrific benefits as compared to the private sector.

Until government employees face what the rest of us do, nothing changes. Oh, in full disclosure, I always worked in both sectors. Until the 90’s, it was impossible not to because the public pay was so low.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:42 | 7141788 california chrome
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Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:44 | 7141794 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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OH NO! What will the sport dorks do NOW?? Please tell me the stuper bowl will still be on!!! Where are the "diverse" people going to go to shoot someone with the newest kicks on!?? 

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:49 | 7141834 Mark Mywords
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Isn't it truly amazing how so many American adults are just small children disguised as adults?

Nothing about them has changed in their entire lives, save for theiir expanding belt sizes and ignorance.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:00 | 7141858 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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Yes it is sad. Bread and Circus is alive and well. I have basically no peers because I don't get involved in children's games where adults wear tight spandex and chase a ball around. Ever year I hope for a major sporting series to go strike. Come on NFL strike! I don't even know who's playing this year, I'll take a guess. Houston Oilers Vs. the LA Rams???

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:17 | 7142032 Mark Mywords
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I think it's the Chicago Staleys against the Providence (RI) Steamroller.

Those were real teams - in the 1920s.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:18 | 7142041 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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There IS a reason why the Skull & Bones created the NFL in the late 1890's. Look into it.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 21:22 | 7142652 Ward cleaver
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This years Trayvon Bowl features a douche QB who even makes this into a race issue ( I guess media dissing him) but he's keeping it real.WGaF?

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 21:47 | 7142800 Emergency Ward
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Dunno.  When the Dodgers lost, I lost interest.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:52 | 7141844 tarabel
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Right on! We might see the return of Mile High Stadium at last.

Go Broncos.

Oh, and there's a reason why most of these big sports chains are doing so rotten...

You can get all the gear you want for any sport imaginable-- except for the shooting sports.

Die, you vain arrogant commie exercise hounds.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:46 | 7141803 california chrome
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"Half of the current producers have no legitimate right to be in a business where the price forecast even in a recovery is going to be between, say, $50, $60. They need $70 oil to survive,"

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:47 | 7141819 Mark Mywords
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Double that number and I will be happier than a lark.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:54 | 7141874 tarabel
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And I hope whatever industry you depend upon also loses 3/4ths of its workforce.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:21 | 7142064 Mark Mywords
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I've worked in at least seven different industries in my time. I always land on my feet because I am practical and can offer a wide array of services to a given employer, no matter the industry.

Please - troll harder next time.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 19:36 | 7142155 tarabel
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They always lay off the least useful first.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 20:08 | 7142318 Mark Mywords
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IF you make yourself useful, they won't lay you off.

Key point.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:50 | 7141806 Countrybunkererd
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here it comes... or not.  This time is different, but maybe not.  GO DOWN ALREADY!  I really want to meet the neighbors around me after all the years, no not really.

Thu, 02/04/2016 - 18:48 | 7141823 california chrome
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