Wait A Minute - Who's The Real Fascist?

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

The core belief of the Establishment is the central state should run everything.

If you're an Establishment insider, the mainstream media will give you plenty of column inches and airtime to label Donald Trump a "dangerous" fascist: for example, Democratic insider Robert Reich's fear-mongering frenzy Donald Trump is a 21st century American fascist, in which Reich conveniently overlooks constitutional limits on any president, "fascist" or not.

In effect, Reich is announcing the Constitution is dead and powerless to limit the President. Well, if that's the problem, then why not attack the real problem, which is the Imperial Presidency? Why not? Reich served an Imperial President as a loyal lackey, that's why--and he remains an energetic supporter of the central state and its bread-and-circuses institutionalized serfdom.

If you're an Establishment insider, you'll get ample opportunities in the corporate media to label Bernie Sanders a "dangerous" socialist. You don't even have to be a member of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" (a staple of the Clintons' attack strategy)--any insider can get airtime to label Sanders as "dangerous"--either because he's socialist, or because he's not radical enough. Any attack will do, and you'll get plenty of opportunity to flesh out any attack, no matter how biased or nonsensical.

It is of course classic Orwellian Doublespeak to label any threat to one's power "fascist," and to laud one's corrupt and venal allies as "freedom fighters," but the Establishment's panicked reliance on accusations of fascism is new and yes, dangerous. So let's step back and ask--precisely who's the fascist here?

It turns out that the definition of fascism widely attributed to Mussolini-- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power"--has no provenance: researchers cannot find this quote in any original source material.

Here is an excellent exploration of the topic: Benito Mussolini on Fascism and Corporatism

Via the research cited in Mussolini on the Corporate State, we have a verified Mussolini statement on the fascist conception of the state's role in the economy and society:

The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. (p. 41).

In other words, the all-powerful central state worshipped by Reich and all the other Establishment insiders, Democrat and Republican alike, is the true culmination of fascism. So if we strip away the Orwellian Doublespeak, we find that it's actually Reich and his fellow believers in the goodness and rightness of the all-powerful central state and central bank who are the real fascists.

The core belief of the Establishment is the central state should run everything: the state should run the mortgage industry (hey, it does--95% of all mortgages are government-backed or guaranteed); it should run the financial system via setting interest rates, buying bonds and other assets and bailing out/protecting private banks (hey, it does--thank you, Federal Reserve); it should control higher education (the central state not only funds the higher education cartel, it also owns most of the $1.4 trillion in student loan debt); it should control the economy via protecting and enforcing favored monopolies and cartels, and of course the state needs to track any domestic "threats" via surveillance and suppress any resistance to its power by force, media attacks, lawsuits, IRS investigations, social-media smear campaigns, etc.--which is precisely what the U.S. central state's toadies, lackeys, apparatchiks, thugs, bought-off media hacks, et al. do.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is fascism, and that's the Establishment's America. No wonder central-state lackeys like Reich have unleashed frantic attacks against Trump and Sanders--they fear their fascist paradise of central-state-cartel-capitalism might somehow be threatened.

And like all fascists and fascist states, they over-react to any threats to their power. This over-reaction eventually backfires, for it reveals the true nature of their loyalties and their project: that there is an endless need for more state regulations, controls, programs, guarantees and promises that all will be better as long as you cede control of everything that matters to the state. You are of course still "free" to choose your breakfast cereal and which outpost of the Ministry of Propaganda you wish to view/read/listen to.

The carrot dangled by the fascist state is always the same: there is a free lunch for everyone who cedes control over their lives to the state. For corporations, the free lunch is a quasi-monopoly; for debt-serfs, new programs that erase their debts (i.e. transfer them to others), and for everyone, more entitlements, up to the Nirvana of the fascist state, Guaranteed Minimum Income for all.

The tragic irony is, as we all know, there is no free lunch. The central state generates the illusion there is a free lunch to institutionalize the dominance of the wealthy and powerful and institutionalize serfdom for everyone else.

Global Crisis: the Convergence of Marx, Orwell and Kafka (July 25, 2012)

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Normalcy Bias's picture

Sieg Heil! It's the Thousand-Millimeter Reich!

SuperRay's picture

People are happily willing to give up the anxiety of independence for the comfort of government handouts.  The deserve what they're going to get

nmewn's picture

"In effect, Reich is announcing the Constitution is dead and powerless to limit the President. Well, if that's the problem, then why not attack the real problem, which is the Imperial Presidency? Why not? Reich served an Imperial President as a loyal lackey, that's why--and he remains an energetic supporter of the central state and its bread-and-circuses institutionalized serfdom."

Damn CHS, you keep talking like that and I may start paying more attention to your articles ;-)

Row Well Number 41's picture

The mighty munchkin of liberalism.

Proctologist's picture

+1000 lol

Let's pray we pass it by after walking 100 millimeters.

localsavage's picture

All that you have to doto see the propaganda first hand is look at any MSM photos of the canidates.  Hillary, Cruz, Rubio and Kasich are all smiling like a fucking dentistry ad.  Trump and Bearnie look either like there are yelling or taking a shit. 

Orc from Mordor's picture

The real fascists are americans, since they decided they are special.

I M DeMan's picture

I don't recall Reich complaining when his Boss, Bill Clinton, was bombing the crap out of people in the Balkans supporting the violent rebel groups (the Kosovo Liberation Army) in their overthrow of the legitimate Yugoslavian Government.



nmewn's picture

"Ya knoooooowah, I remember running with my head down across the tarmac dodging sniper fire after cork screwing in for a landing in Bosnia!" - Granny Crony ;-)

RichardParker's picture

I'm going to guess that Reich is also silent on the top secret documents hillary had in her private email server along with the millions of dollars the clinton foundation collected for insipid trite bullshit speeches as well as the hundreds of millions of dollars in approved weapons deals to the countries that donated to her foundation.

Zirpedge's picture

Fascism is meerly an authoritarian government characterized often by racism and a strong war footing. Yeah, we fascists don't have to all be racists but a few peppered in really help. Anyone who thinks we are "ruled by the governed" or "powered by the people" needs to have him head examined.

Boondocker's picture

Didn't read the article or links did you?

undertow1141's picture

The title was all he needed apparently.

alexcojones's picture

Any Candidate who pisses off the Screaming Left & the Satanic Right, cannot be ALL bad,


TRUMP 2016

alexcojones's picture

And now the Twits at Anonymous have declared war too?

Fuck those Fuckers.


Normalcy Bias's picture

That'll probably be good for another +5% in the polls.

localsavage's picture

The fact that Hillary's emails haven't been released should be proof enough that those "hackers" are really just NSA workers. 

skinwalker's picture

Anonymous is a bunch of impotent blowhards. That said, I find Encyclopedia Dramatica to be quite funny. 


I used to have a friend who was an anon. He once dragged me to a protest of the local Scientology joint. Colossal waste of time, though dressing up like an alien and hopping around was mildly entertaining. 

Ward cleaver's picture

I love their masks, they make them look so scary. Behind the mask is a little pimply faced pussy, living in moms basement and playing dungeons and dragons with his friends lol

Ward cleaver's picture

I love their masks, they make them look so scary. Behind the mask is a little pimply faced pussy, living in moms basement and playing dungeons and dragons with his friends lol

nuubee's picture

lol, Anonymous is establishment now. Their original cadre of people are probably in prison, the rest fell in line. Notice they haven't targeted any government secrecy in ~10 years or so? That tells you everything.

taoJones's picture

By playing that card, they have revealed their true colors... thanks for that guys... I no longer wonder on whose side you're on

samsara's picture

Always thought they were a CIA front

EndlessSummer's picture
EndlessSummer (not verified) Mar 16, 2016 5:05 PM

I'm simply not going to read this slop on ZH anymore - politics, fascism ... ZH has lost its moral compass - and is losing its essence. I'm only going to read solely financial related articles going forward.

NOTaREALmerican's picture

Wait, don't go.   These post tune your morality OCD so that you know exactly what you've got to obsessed about until tomorrow.   It a ZH public service to those with Morality OCD.  

herkomilchen's picture

If you think the two arenas are not interrelated, you're mistaken.

samsara's picture

I think we're all ok with that

Gadfly's picture

Go grab your surfboard and catch a wave.

NOTaREALmerican's picture

Well, there's way too may people living off the fascist/socialist state to stop it now.   I know I like the fascist/socialist scam I'm working for.   Big-Mic, Big-Fin, Big-Ed, Big-PoliceState, Big-Road, Big-Energy, Big-OldFart,  Big-Health,  ...  lots of people living good off the government.

alexcojones's picture

Robert Reich hates Trump? I guess I mistook him for the Third Reich.  This is from my buddy, Alex Other Jones

Normalcy Bias's picture

Not only a collaborator, he was proud of it and said that "It was actually, probably the happiest year of my life."

He also said essentially the same thing on camera during a 60 Minutes segment, but that footage/segment appears to have been magically scrubbed from the face of the earth.


Theonewhoknows's picture
Theonewhoknows (not verified) Mar 16, 2016 5:06 PM

Capitalism replaced feudalism and let people accumulate wealth and be lifted out of poverty by themselves - change their class/work/destiny. The free market capitalism does the best job - what we see now is CRONY CAPITALISM - which differs from socialism only with the % you need to give to the government of your stuff (socialism - you cant own shit, in crony capitalism they taxed the hellout of you so your financial mobility is in the gutter)... Now they are trying to sell again whatevver is not socialdemocratic/establishment as fascist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic. The same tactic in Europe with refugees. They don't want to understand the underlying problem (which is nearly always created by the same lying government that shifts the blame... Check http://independenttrader.org/are-we-waiting-for-another-2008.html

agent default's picture

In order to debate who the real fascist is we first have to define fascism. The way I see it, fascism today is a label arbitrarily used by all sorts of left/leftist/Marxist freeloaders against anyone they don't like. The term has become meaningless and void.

Consuelo's picture



Never thought I'd give that high a number, but your comments should be on a billboard.

NOTaREALmerican's picture

Well,  that's the same as a right/conservative/authority-worshiper calling everybody they don't like a communist or socialist.

The only difference between a fascist and socialist is the path taken up Mount Authority.

agent default's picture

Not really.  All socialists and communists have identifiable beliefs and belief systems which are common to both.  You could say that a communist is a socialist on steroids, or that the logical conclusion of socialism is eventually communism.  Conservative  does not necessarily mean authority worshiper.  Example, those who strongly believe in the strict interpretation and enforcement of the US constitution.  These are labeled as conservatives.   But the whole point of the US constitution, especially if you take the beliefs of the founding fathers of the US into account is specifically designed to minimize government authority.  So where is the authority worshiper argument now?  Conservative is just another, tamer, term used by the left against those they can screw over.  If they realize can't win then they call you a fascist.  BTW "progress" is a tern coined by the Bolsheviks and it actually implies progress towards communism.

NOTaREALmerican's picture

Re:  All socialists and communists have identifiable beliefs and belief systems which are common to both

That's as ridiculous as saying that conservatives who use the power of the state to enforce genital usage are the same as conservatives who are live-and-let-live libertarians and are the same as conservatives who love bombing the crap out ferners.    They are nothing like each other.    The labels "conservative" and "socialist" and "progressive" are nonsense.

There's only how much you worship your OWN leaders and how skeptical you are of ALL authority.  That's it.  

RichardParker's picture

Both groups are "true believers".

malek's picture

So how about you strive to give the correct meaning?

I'll try:
Fascism is when the single individual counts nothing, i.e. his life and thinking is worthless, in comparison to the group/organization/country/whatever needs.

Gonzogal's picture

In the book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the following are a few of thenecessary ingredients for a fascist state:

  • The government is managed by a powerful leader (even if he or she assumes office by way of the electoral process). This is the fascistic leadership principle (or father figure).
  • The government assumes it is not restrained in its power. This is authoritarianism, which eventually evolves into totalitarianism.
  • The government ostensibly operates under a capitalist system while being undergirded by an immense bureaucracy.
  • The government through its politicians emits powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
  • The government has an obsession with national security while constantly invoking terrifying internal and external enemies.
  • The government establishes a domestic and invasive surveillance system and develops a paramilitary force that is not answerable to the citizenry.
  • The government and its various agencies (federal, state, and local) develop an obsession with crime and punishment. This is overcriminalization.
  • The government becomes increasingly centralized while aligning closely with corporate powers to control all aspects of the country’s social, economic, military, and governmental structures.
  • The government uses militarism as a center point of its economic and taxing structure.
  • The government is increasingly imperialistic in order to maintain the military-industrial corporate forces.




Consuelo's picture

The descendants of Trotsky.   That's about all one needs to know about Robert Reich.  


And it wouldn't hurt the spoiled youth of this nation to understand the beginnings and inner workings of Bolshevism and the Cheka police either.   Hollywood has done a masterful job however, of making sure none of that gets any air time or 'sympathy' for those who perished under it.

skinwalker's picture

Trotsky was the only one of the Bolshevik leaders who wrote thier memoirs, and I am one of the few people who read them. 


Trotsky talked incessantly about the revolution and very little about his family, and when he did it was always in the context of the revolution. Shows his priorities. Fas as I'm concerned he got what he deserved. 

NOTaREALmerican's picture

Looks like he had Morality OCD too.   He'd do very well on a site like this.

LawsofPhysics's picture

In other words, the vast majority are in fact fascists and are "electing" fascist leaders...

Simply put, we are going to eventually experience global Weimar.

Yes, you are correct.  The moral hazard that has been unleashed on the world is on a scale that have never been seen before, let alone comprehendable.

Frankie Carbone's picture

Actually I am hoping that the Establishment steals the nomination away from the rank and file precisely so that the whole nation can see their Big Lie exposed. THAT would be a great achievement for America, albiet in a backhanded manner. 

Hillary with all of her superdelegates, Trump with the Establishment sending in sacrificial lambs to siphon away any potential majority. 

This would be beautiful. There is something much bigger at stake than this one lousy election folks. Much bigger. 

swmnguy's picture

I agree wholeheartedly.

The GOP oligarchs are mightily tempted to screw Trump to put in their puppet.  The only reason Trump "threatens"  the GOP oligarchs in the first place is that they prefer to use proxies to wield power.  That gives them deniability, and any number of oligarchs can do "favors" for the proxy, so the proxy owes them all.  For Trump, an oligarch if ever there was one, to decide to run himself is scary to the rest of them because he won't owe them anything and they have no way of knowing which of their insider deals will and won't be honored by Trump.  Also, once Trump's done enriching himself, there may not be much left in the trough for them.  What would it take to sate Trump?  Nobody knows.  Nobody's ever seen him sated.

The really ironic and frustrating part is watching all these desperate people losing their socio-economic status thinking Trump is going to do anything for them.  The irony is so bitter; these people have been supporting--vehemently--the very forces that are destroying them.  And now they're waking up?  Now they don't think we should bankrupt the nation to support a war machine?  After cheering on the neutering, and 45 years ago the outright killing, of the anti-war movement?  They somehow think the economy can be fixed without slashing a zero off the war-machine budget?  They think somehow letting their kids work as mercenaries is  "Patriotic," and their kids deserve a lifetime of compensation for the destruction of their bodies and minds in the wars of Empire, but they have no notion that the best way to prevent veterans from being kicked to the curb is to not create any more veterans?  After decades of blaming "greedy American workers" and swallowing whole the justifications for global labor arbitrage, now they want their jobs back?  No wonder the one lady in Minnesota wanted McCain to promise to keep Government away from her Medicare.  Oh, and about health care, they want to take Government out of a healthcare finance system that priced itself out of the reach of American employers and families already, which is why Government had to jump in to bail out the finance sector yet again?

If those people think a President Trump has anything to offer them, they are fucked in the head beyond repair.  I'd say, "Fuck them all with Donald Trump's dick," but I don't want to get ahead of the next 4-8 years of American life.

Or, while I'm at it, who is going to vote for Hillary Clinton, and why?  Because the past 36 years of Reaganism, including Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama's combined 16 years of being Reagan, has been so great for them?  Because they like Hillary's handiwork in Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Libya and Syria so much they want it brought here?  Because they really want Victoria Nuland and the rest of the Zbigniew Brzezinski / Paul Wolfowitz / Henry Kissinger sock-puppets to get us into the final World War?  Or maybe they think the former Director of Wal-Mart is going to help them start a small business?  Or do anything that doesn't benefit Finance first, and they'll get to lick up a few crumbs?

The problem, of course, is Economics.  You can't run a system using debt at interest as money, in a finite world.  Not without periodically flushing out the bad debt that won't ever be repaid.  If you don't do that, the carrying costs of all that bad debt, and the shell games required to hide the fact that it will never be repaid, build up to the point that such burdens eat up half the cost of every transaction.  Oops, we have to look in the rear-view mirror to see that point.  But we've decided not to flush out that debt, and the undereducated masses have cheered that on, because to do anything to fix it would be either "Socialist" or "Fascist," depending on who is calling whom names.

Truth is, they're all Fascists.  They're all pulling on the same exact strings.  They phrase it differently because they're working different sides of the street.

I'm just sorry Sanders has lost, because then both parties would have to screw over the "will of the people" in public, in front of God, TV, and everyone.

Just today I heard the classic "Stealers Wheel" song, "Stuck in the Middle With You."  The one Quentin Tarantino ruined for anyone with a gag reflex.  If that isn't Hillary Clinton's campaign song already, it should be.

Gadfly's picture

Great analysis. Sad but true.

Frankie Carbone's picture

That was just beautifully said. I can learn much from you. Thanks. You have added some perspectives that are just very eloquently expounded on. 

I have already been accused (by Trump supporters) of being a know-it-all, even though I freely admit that I am ignorant, and that I don't know with certainty - not even close - "what is" but I do know with certainty "what isn't". The whole point of Fight Club is for people to freely and unashamedly admit their ignorance, and then to share with each other what we do know, so that in the end we are all the better off for it. 

Thanks for keeping up that tradition.