All Hell Breaks Loose After Trump Says Women Should Be "Punished" For Illegal Abortions

Tyler Durden's picture

Just yesterday, we discussed Donald Trump’s “women problems.”

Although one might fairly question the methodology behind the polls and whether the questions were designed to elicit a certain type of response, it is worth noting that in three separate surveys (NBC, WSJ, and CNN), Trump’s favorability rating with female voters was 27% or less.

Even if one assumes that the polls were inherently biased, there’s probably some truth to the contention that the things Trump has said about women in the past haven’t done anything to help him when it comes to garnering a large percentage of the female vote and may indeed come back to haunt him in a national contest with Hillary Clinton.

Well on Wednesday, in an MSNBC town hall event, Trump was cornered by host Chris Matthews who asked the GOP frontrunner about his position on illegal abortion.

Below, you can find the highlights as compiled by Bloomberg.

  • Host Chris Matthews presses Trump on anti-abortion position, repeatedly asking him, “Should abortion be punished? This is not something you can dodge”
    • “Look, people in certain parts of the Republican Party, conservative Republicans, would say, ‘Yes, it should,’” Trump answers
    • “How about you?” Matthews asks
    • “I would say it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem we have to decide on. Are you going to send them to jail?” Trump says
    • “I’m asking you,” Matthews says
    • “I am pro-life,” Trump says
    • “How do you actually ban abortion?” Matthews asks
    • “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it,” Trump says
  • Matthews then presses Trump on if he believes there should be punishment for abortion if it were illegal
    • “There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump says
    • “For the woman?” Matthews says; “Yeah,” Trump says, nodding
    • Trump says punishment would “have to be determined”
    • “They’ve set the law and frankly the judges, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point and with the loss of Scalia, who was a very strong conservative, this presidential election is going to be very important,” Trump says
    • “When you say what’s the law, nobody knows what the law is going to be. It depends on who gets elected,” Trump says

Obviously, this was "gotcha" journalism on Matthews' part (once he established that he was referring to illegal abortions he knew he could pin Trump between having to either say women should be punished or that women could break the law with impunity), and as we saw last year with the whole Kurds/Quds Hugh Hewitt debacle, Trump is susceptible to badgering. The other problem here is that it isn't clear that Trump truly believes some of the things he's forced to say as a Republican candidate, which leads to exchanges like that recounted above. "Don't overthink it: Trump doesn't understand the pro-life position because he's not pro-life," a Cruz aid tweeted. Here's Politico with a bit of context:

Trump’s policy idea is a departure from most state abortion restrictions, which don’t impose penalties on the women who get abortions. Typically, any penalties are imposed on the physician who does the procedure.

 

The anti-abortion movement in recent decades has shied away from the perception that it is “punishing” women for getting abortions. Instead, it has focused on penalties for the physicians who provide them, such as imposing medical or legal restrictions on their practice. In some rare situations, women have faced charges associated with abortions they have attempted on their own.

Having realized this had become a PR fiasco, Trump promptly walked back his comments.

This is a statement released just moments ago, in which the billionaire revises his initial comments, calling the women "victims", and stating it is doctors who should be held legally responsible for performing the illegal act:

If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed - like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.

But by the time the Trump campaign released that statement it was far too late. The media, women's rights groups, pro-abortion groups, as well as all of Trump's political opponents smelled blood. 

"The last person women need to police their health care decisions is someone who sees them not as people, but as ‘fat pigs,’ ‘bimbos’ and ‘disgusting animals,’" Marcy Stech, a spokeswoman for Emily's List, a pro-abortion-rights group said.

Here's the reaction from March for Life:

And from Bernie Sanders:

And here's the Cruz campaign calling Trump a "charlatan":

Expect this soundbite to play on a loop should Trump end up squaring off against Clinton this fall. Speaking of whom:

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OpenThePodBayDoorHAL's picture

This is not about what's right, this is about getting enough people to vote for him, getting caught in traps like this means he will soon go back to reality TV shows and we get President Hilary.

ebworthen's picture

NPR is all over it.

What Women don't realize is how much they have lost.

Yeah, if abortion as a form of birth control is illegal, there is a penalty; just like illegal immigration.

Also like no bailouts for banks/corporations/insurers and fucking over the taxpayer.  This is not rocket science.

Fuck the Establishment!

jeff montanye's picture

making abortion illegal fucks over the taxpayer.  

forcing a mother who, effectively, wants to kill her child to bear that child does not seem like wise social policy to me.  and i would prefer to minimize the number of such parent/child combos in the world.

contraception is better and cheaper.  you should be insisting on free contraception and birth control information as a first priority.

conscious being's picture

So it ought to be a sad, private, business up to the individual when the fetus is a collection of cells, say 3 months. After that it's murder. Thou shall not kill, mofos.

Victor von Doom's picture

Empowering irresponsibility is not the way to go jeff. That's exactly what has brought us to this shitshow to begin with.

Let her bear the bastard and have her life ruined. When this happens enough guess what...women start to have standards again.

Same works for everyone on every issue. Make people pay for their own mistakes - it creates a more responsible world, and doesn't need your "contribution" ie extorted tax dollar to support it.

jeff montanye's picture

quintago:   i will call it religious fanaticism.  simple economics would lead to subsidized abortions every time.  

the easiest cheapest way you get someone not to do something, get pregnant, is make it easy for them not to do it, i.e. free contraception, morning after pill, abortion.  no police, courts, trials, sociopathic children and parents.  it's not like we are running out of a precious resource: unwanted children.

penalties, while fun for the audience, don't guarantee success.  perhaps the example of the century old war on drugs might offer some insight.

Victor von Doom's picture

Theer is no war on drugs, only the cornering of a market - so it is not a parable ie apples and oranges. Try agaiin.

Pinche Caballero's picture

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/03/28/Ex-Trump-Insider-Donald-Doesn-t...

I know that a lot of Trump supporters as well as non-supporters have been amazed by his ability to remain impervious to gaffs.

The article at the link may provide an explanation, and it could be simply that Trump never intended to be POTUS. This may have been just another marketing ploy for the Trump brand.

In short, it doesn't matter what Trump said. What has been unexpected is the degree to which so many have now looked to him as THE outsider, or, as the only candidate who can be honest and frank with the people.

In that fucking cunt Hillary's words (sort of), it is a glimpse of the future, and it is very telling.

Kobe Beef's picture

What kind of braindead dumbphuck...?

American Women, who mostly think they should be able to do anything they feel like with no consequences. And throw tantrums when you tell them no.

mkkby's picture

Trump has the balls to tell the truth and fuck the consequences.  He's the first grown up we've ever seen in politics.

If you want to be lied to and coddled like a child, vote NOT Trump.  If you want to be treated with respect, he is your only choice.

This abortion shit is ridiculous.  Of course abortion is killing a baby.  Women do it because babies can be inconvenient.  But, obviously women can't be forced to be good mothers either.

I think this strengthens Trump even more.  People don't support him because he's politically correct, like all the other shit bag politicians.

sleigher's picture
Women Should Be Punished For "Illegal" Abortions

That's better.  Imagine...  The idea of enforcing the law.  abortions aren't illegal

OpenThePodBayDoorHAL's picture

He's not "in" politics; he's running for office so he can get in politics, or at least he was until this monumental fuck-up. Now he can just continue being a private citizen and say whatever the fuck he wants.

He's just inexperienced, everyone knows you say whatever is the right thing to get elected, then you go to town. Donald went pretty far with that, saying what people wanted to hear about trade, immigration, foreign wars. He believes that stuff, and we believe him. But then he touched the third rail: saying he will put women in jail for having abortions (I know that's not precisely what he said). That would only be clever at this stage if you think it's a net vote-getter. Even Ted The Snake Cruz knows better than to mouth those words (though I bet Ted also wants to execute any abortionists etc)

It was fun while it lasted, Donald just got sucker punched and is out cold on the mat. 8 guys will like him for it, and 18 guys and 28 women who were starting to be convinced are now long gone never to return.

The MSM was right, "eventually this guy's gonna say something so monumentally stupid he will self-destruct". Believe me it pains me to say that because I was hoping he would win.

Victor von Doom's picture

Should have said what he really believes. If the fetus is in fact a baby, and it's illegal to murder them, then charge her and the doctor with murder and jail/execute them accordingly as per State requirements.

Fuck, I would have pissed myself laughing if he'd said that.

Then I'd want to vote for him even more.

Fuck the entitled Left. Men should just down tools until the State capitulates - starve the fuckers out.

Philthy_Stacker's picture

@Nutsack. Why don't you shut your cakehole? I've been reading your posts and have come to this conclusion.

You are white. (I'm white too, if that matters). I know this because you have made racist comments about every 'other' race, besides the whites.

You whine about being name called and shout "where's your facts, don't pick on me?!" While saying NOTHING of substance, ever. All you do is level racist comments at others.

You can't possibly have a grade 12 education. The entire issue is about conservatives controlling women as second class citizens. They lost on slavery, discrimination, voting rights, gay rights... and their going to lose on abortion too because after all is said, people are generally liberal and want to be allowed to decide for themselves. Conservative 'control freaks' like yourself need to get the fuck out of the way!

 

lincolnsteffens's picture

What if a law is in violation of the American Constitution??  It is well established and never overturned that "anything repugnant to the Constitution is null and void.  No one is bound to obey it and may ignore it with impunity. It exists as a mere nullity from the time it is passed as if it had never been enacted." Mostly a quote with very little paraphrasing.  From a very old and still standing Supreme Court Ruling. Maybe Marbury vs. Madison.

Most laws are written correctly in conformance with the Constitution. Unfortunately most laws are administered fraudulently against people that have no lawful obligation to be governed by them. If you are subjugated to  mis-application of the Law, good luck on defending your Rights unless you are wealthy and have years to fight it out.  Its a plan your overlords have implemented to try and keep you in the sheep pen. 

Beam Me Up Scotty's picture

"Unfortunately most laws are administered fraudulently against people that have no lawful obligation to be governed by them"

And that statement is EXACTLY why we need LESS government not more.   We are ALL in violation of some law right now.   EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!!  There are a gillion laws on the books with more added daily.   All someone needs to do is have a grudge and send you a certified letter in the mail from some legal department and you are ruined!!  Its govenment using extortion to control US ALL!!  And here I thought extortion was illegal......but when .gov is doing it, its OK.

DanDaley's picture

Funny how Justice Harry Blackmun (Mr. Abortion) found a right to privacy to kill your kid in the Constitution (after reading tea leaves, goat entrails, and howling at the moon), yet you can't have a right to your personal communications, electronic or otherwise.

jeff montanye's picture

it comes down to who is inconvenienced.

Freddie's picture

Ted Cruz campaign manager Chad Sweet is Chertoff's partner.

conscious being's picture

"Chad Sweet is a Co-Founder of the The Chertoff Group, a global advisory firm ... of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet helped Secretary Michael Chertoff manage one of the ..."

https://www.chertoffgroup.com/bios/chad-sweet.php

And one other thing, does the pro-abortion woman reall go by the handle Marcy Stench?

Overfed's picture

"And one other thing, does the pro-abortion woman reall go by the handle Marcy Stench?"

 

I sure as fuck hope so.

jeff montanye's picture

we all remember who ran the fbi during that puzzling incident in september, 2001.  the one where the steel evidence was hustled, unexamined, to china by the mossad linked new jersey firms and the "terrorist" passport was found at ground zero?

if not: michael chertoff

http://www.amazon.com/Solving-9-11-Deception-Changed-World/dp/0985322586

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_Ezjm7xDg

Offthebeach's picture

Blacks already scrub their daddy babies like they are flies. If only capital punishment came back for rape, murder and drugs ....

moonshadow's picture

@simone above: Why has crime declined steadily since the Flyers won the stanley cup? Why has crime declined steadily since we went off the gold standard? Why has crime declined steadily since 'The Rifleman' went off the air? Why has crime declined st...

jeff montanye's picture

because since the rifleman went off the air (gunsmoke would be a better example, a decade later), many women who didn't want their child aborted them and they didn't end up criminals.

tarsubil's picture

Crime? You mean breaking the law? The same law that says killing unborn babies is legal and can be profitted from?

jeff montanye's picture

yes yes, that law.  it's so much more profitable working in a legal market with good consumer information.

just ask those refining coca down in columbia.

boattrash's picture

Well Jeff, what would you say to subsidized sterilization?

Just wondered, after reading several of your comments.

A Nanny Moose's picture

Is it murder if they are being harvested for research?

Mute Button's picture

Every abortion is a crime against an innocent person. Not sure what point you're making.

Farqued Up's picture

Most states now have concealed carry?

A Nanny Moose's picture

Correlation is not causation, but...

OverTheHedge's picture

All that extra policing, NSA, stop and search etc have reduced crime. We  know this, because they tell us it is so. Nothing to do with fewer unwanted kids growing up on the margins, with no prospects, support, education etc.

Freakanomics did a thing on this, with all the numbers, if you are ok interested.

beemasters's picture

After considering the punishment, Trump decides on waterboarding the women. :)

Stares straight ahead's picture

New campaign motto:
"Waterboarding for Water breakers!"

Larry Dallas's picture

Women's suffrage was not something the framers of this Constitution wanted to happen. This is what happens now.

Then the blacks. They've been bought and paid for now as the FSA.

The white male of European descent is losing everything they worked hard to achieve.

Regardless, Trump is already not loved by women, so who cares? He knows this. Let's see what the polls say. If he said all White Men must pay their fair share, he would lose big time.

I, Larry, support Trump. It's the last gasp of hope we have. Otherwise, I'll be very satisfied that my wife and I weren't able to bring white kids into the country as they would be pissed on by BlackLivesMatters, and all other anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-heterosexual, anti-male, anti-_____ as we're seeing today.

God bless you and your white children. For they are the implicit enemy of the state today.

conscious being's picture

Larry, watch his AIPAC speech 3-21-16. Maybe your into grovelling, but do you want moar wars? Iran is not the "worlds leading sponsor of terrorism" as Trumpo the Clown claims in the speech. Get ready for more NeoCon warfare, FFs, etc.

Larry Dallas's picture

How is this comment of practical significace to my comment?

Trump is going to tell the people what he knows he wants them to hear.

conscious being's picture

# "Trump is going to tell the people what he knows he wants them to hear."??

Is this English? Let's see, he, Trump is telling the people he will create moar wars because he knows what he wants them to hear?? Lay off the sauce Larry.

If you are trying to get across that Trump is not saying what he really intends to do, then how do you, Larry, know what his true intentions are? Are you clairvoiant? Do you channel Trump in your sleep. Do you get a special zinoNewsLetter that spells it all out for you? What's up Larry? When is he expressing his true intentions and when is he not? Thanks.

rbg81's picture

Hold women accountable for anything?  Thinkable!!

Cruel Aid's picture

yea blotto and at some point they have rights under the constitution, case closed.

the point is when they are viable imo, or can survive on their own on the outside.

partial birth abortion, just sick and to make an industry for profit out of parts is the ultimate in decadence, look it up.

We are losing ground.

Mintcoin's picture

According to the Bible, God said the life of the flesh is in the blood.

Leviticus 17:11

CrabbyR's picture

maybe they were trying to say oxygen................but were too primitive to have any clue what they were saying...LOL

Tall Tom's picture

 

 

 

 

Blood carries more than Oxygen.

 

It also carries the nutrients, enzymes, and required minerals to every single cell in your body.

 

How else do you think that the nutrients are transported from the digestive tract to the cells?

 

Are you primitive?

jeff montanye's picture

hair, nails, epidermis?

a.y.p.?

Tall Tom's picture

 

 

 

Hair and nails are keratin. They are not alive. The Hair Follice which produces the keratin outgrowth is fed by blood.

 

The Epi (outside) dermis is not alive. It needs neither Oxygen nor nutrient. The dermis, the skin, is alive and fed by blood.

 

This is taught in HIGH SCHOOL.

StychoKiller's picture

Perhaps you should do some research on the lymphatic system as well.