Saudi Arabia Admits To John Kerry That It Created ISIS... But There Is A Twist

Tyler Durden's picture

On the day Barack Obama is kowtowing to his Saudi allies, and just days after a senior Obama administration finally made the admission that has been a "conspiracy theory" for years namely that "a lot of the money, the seed money if you will, for what became Al Qaeda, came out of Saudi Arabia," the FT is out with another stunning revelation.

The FT has written an article that supposedly focuses on the US sources of growing diplomatic antipathy between the US and Saudi Arabia. The source of disagreement: the treatment of Iran.

As US President Barack Obama arrives on a valedictory visit to Saudi Arabia this week, that 70-year-old bargain looks frayed by fractious relations with a ruling House of Saud that is coming under unpredictable new management. The shale-based energy revolution meanwhile shows the potential to liberate the US from dependence on Saudi and Gulf oil. Mr Obama’s main foreign policy achievement, the nuclear deal struck last year between international powers and Iran, is abhorrent to Saudi Arabia, whose virulently sectarian Wahhabi interpretation of Sunni Islam abominates the Shia Islam of Iran and its Arab network of co-religionists from Baghdad to Beirut.

But it was not just Iran.

"Even when the Iran deal was only at an interim and fragile stage in 2013, the Saudis were so affronted they rejected a seat for which they had vigorously lobbied on the UN Security Council. But differences between Washington and Riyadh had been steadily accumulating — starting with the fact that it was mainly Saudi terrorists, on orders of the Saudi Osama bin Laden, who struck America on 9/11."

However the real reason for Iraqi fury at Obama goes further back. In fact, it appears that all current events are shaped by the disastrous foreign policy of Obama's early years, namely the US intervention behind the Arab Spring:

The Saudis could never reconcile themselves to the US-led invasion of Iraq, not because it toppled Saddam Hussein but because it led to Shia majority rule in an Arab country. When Hosni Mubarak was toppled by Egypt’s popular revolt in 2011, Riyadh accused Mr Obama of betraying a US ally. Saudi perceptions of US complacency in the face of Iran’s advances in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen are a grievance far outweighing western perceptions of Isis jihadism as the main threat in and from the Middle East.

But the punchline: Saudi's admission that it itself created Daesh, or ISIS. As for the twist: as the late Saudi foreign minister says, the Saudis only created ISIS in response to Obama's disastrous policy in the region.

 To wit:

After the Iraqi city of Mosul fell to a lightning Isis offensive in 2014, even the late Prince Saud al-Faisal, the respected Saudi foreign minister, remonstrated with John Kerry, US secretary of state, that “Daesh [Isis] is our [Sunni] response to your support for the Da’wa” — the Tehran-aligned Shia Islamist ruling party of Iraq.

And there you have it, and as a reminder, the person who was in charge of US foreign policy during this entire period was none other than...


But that is just part of the story.

As we revealed last year courtesy of leaked CIA documents, according to investigative reporter Nafeez Ahmed  the "leaked document reveals that in coordination with the Gulf states and Turkey, the West intentionally sponsored violent Islamist groups to destabilize Assad, despite anticipating that doing so could lead to the emergence of an ‘Islamic State’ in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). 

"According to the newly declassified US document, the Pentagon foresaw the likely rise of the ‘Islamic State’ as a direct consequence of the strategy, but described this outcome as a strategic opportunity to “isolate the Syrian regime."

In other words, the Saudis may have created ISIS in response to US foreign policy, but this had been known all too well to the US from the beginning, who not only were "in on it", but actively groomed the terrorist organization, ostensibly through a clandestine spy organization whose name is conveniently abbreviated to just three letters.

Which ultimately means that just like Al Qaeda was funded, i.e., created, by Saudi Arabia, so its replacement on the global bogeyman scale, the Islamic State terrorist are nothing more than conveniently puppets, played from day one by the interplay of Saudi and US national interests.

And since the US clearly knew about the formation of ISIS, it is also safe to assume that the US government may well have been aware of the tactics and strategy used by Al Qaeda, especially on that fateful day of September 11, 2001.

When will this be confirmed? Hopefully just as soon as those "28 pages" of high confidential documents are finally declassified. We are holding our breath...

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blabam's picture

But I thought all powerful US and teh Joos created ISIS!?1?!

freewolf7's picture

This is like three card Monte.

blabam's picture

Ah yes of course, everything is planned to the T! 

knukles's picture

Daily Mail reports that the King did not come to airport to greet Bammy.  The mayor of Riyadh had the honor.
Sterling slight.

LykeMe's picture
LykeMe (not verified) knukles Apr 20, 2016 12:48 PM

It's the perfect DISINFORMATION campaign. Look over here (SA), don't look over there (I):

NidStyles's picture

The Suads are a proxy organization for the Tribe. Just another scapegoat.

Chupacabra-322's picture

CIA's Prozy Cryto Zionist Junta Governmemt. Petro Money

beemasters's picture

It seems like a controlled information flow.

It makes little sense especially when SA is trying to not be blamed for terrorist acts of 9/11 but now admitting they are responsible for other terrorist acts around the globe???

Something stinks.

Taylor's picture
Taylor (not verified) beemasters Apr 20, 2016 1:06 PM

It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced.

All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!

thesonandheir's picture

The most disgusting regime in the world, fuelling religious confilcts and destabilising elected goverments whilst bombing innocent people day in, day out.


And fuck Saudi Arabia too!

The Saint's picture
The Saint (not verified) thesonandheir Apr 20, 2016 1:36 PM

Eight years of being lead by a group of blind marxists.  I don't think even Trump will be able to straighten out the mess Odumbo has gotten us into.

Jail Hillary and Obama 2016

WTFRLY's picture


All Risk No Reward's picture

But the Saudi government and the Debt-Money Monopolist controlled US government are allies... THEY WORK TOGETHER.

This is like Don King explaining why the underdog won a big a fight and he bet on the underdog... everything was above board, of course.

They think people are sooooooooooooooooooooo stupit... slobbering at the mouth stupit... and they are freaking right!

That's the part that just kills me... people demand to be stupit and resist the truth with all their will and might.

Backin2006's picture

Why do you have 99 years of general European peace in the 19th century: balance of power. The weak are defended in the face of the strong.

Why do you have 15 years of general Middle Eastern war: disbalance of power. The strong are defended in the face of the weak. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Lebanon, Tunisia, the Kurds: none of these regimes pose a threat to the U.S. But instead, the U.S. backs the (economic) hegemons of the region, namely Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan. This is a recipe for continuing chaos. 

And what we sow, we will reap.

All Risk No Reward's picture

War is the health of the Debt-Money Monopolists who finance and control your state and mega-corporate structure.

And, no, your local Jewish accountant isn't "in on it."

Don't be useful idiots and tools of the dElites to keep the spotlight off of the Debt-Money Monopolists (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, European Royalty - 2 out of the darn 3 aren't even Jewish! And maybe the Rothschilds are fake Jews, too - they lie about everything else!).

Oh, wouldn't that be ironic. If the Rothschilds weren't actually Jewish, but they promote the anti-Jewish controlled opposition narrative to manipulate people into being angry at the wrong people... that would be Satanically delicious for the demon spirited...

0b1knob's picture

1.) Dr. Frankenstein creates monster.

2.) Monster turns on Dr. Frankenstein.

3.) ?????????

4,) Profit!

Sedaeng's picture

ah, there you are again.  Yet another screen name but in same form, as in that you continue to NOT contribute to ZH just attempt to leech site hits to your 'biblical' BS. 

Riding the coattail if you will...


jaxville's picture

  The issue is not...."a lot of the money, the seed money if you will, for what became Al Qaeda, came out of Saudi Arabia,"

  The issue is "who" profited from the attacks.  This is just another lie to reinforce the big lie that 911 was an attack by outsiders.All this talk of Saudi involvement is little more than a distraction.


Took Red Pill's picture

Yes, how exactly did the Saudis make WTC# 7 fall without being hit? It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that 9/11 was an inside job.

GtownSLV's picture

OBL was a Saudi, working for the CIA, with millions held in institutions in the WTC. Work place violence, case closed!

Phat Stax's picture

And why again are we such close pals with Saudi Arabia?  Oh yeah, because they own us through our T-bills.  We are their bitchez.

SloMoe's picture

Kiss the ring...

skinwalker's picture

I promise I won't say anything bad about you if you put me on the payroll. 

-Obama to Saudi King

Two Chains's picture

Buy the dip...Fed has your back...Fed "put" firmly in place.  

Fish Gone Bad's picture

Not only is it in place, I am thinking they doubled down as well.

buzzsaw99's picture

democracy bitchez, FUCK YEAH!

booboo's picture

I got a bad feeling about this trip, maybe it's the black beans and rice but I don't think so.

TheBigN's picture

Zero fucks given until there's some proper nuking around.

GoldenGoosed's picture

I am sure Hillary has the plutonium to sell to everyone!

skinwalker's picture

Would you rather eat 10 grams of pure plutonium or 10 grams of pure caffeine? 

Nobody For President's picture

I'll take 10 ounces of Glenfiddich, please. (No water or ice.)

roisaber's picture

Why is the truth coming out? 

TradingIsLifeBrah's picture
TradingIsLifeBrah (not verified) roisaber Apr 20, 2016 12:51 PM

Why is THIS "truth" coming out?

I'm not sure if this is the truth but someone is setting Saudi up for the fall.  Not that they don't deserve it but something smells fishy with the news about them over the last 2 weeks.  More distraction?

Life of Illusion's picture


Saudi did not want to cooperate on something so US is applying the pressure.

Dark Daze's picture
Dark Daze (not verified) TradingIsLifeBrah Apr 20, 2016 1:40 PM

Well, when you have a seething mass of 100 million Americans, who are well armed and have come to the point they are willing to take on the government by force to eradicate these pricks, then the psychopaths have to do something to protect themselves. All of which is of course, completely sanctioned by the CFR and whomever else thinks they still run things these days. The biggest mistake the US ever made was to let Dupont in. The second biggest mistake was to let the Nazi's in. Now they have to be cleaned out and it isn'g going to be easy.

WTFUD's picture

Why are half truths coming out now? In the Kingdom of LIES half-baked truth's reign supreme.

Zero-Hegemon's picture

But Deash and D'awala both shop at USMiC for all their hardware needs, so everybody wins!

Trickle down, bitchez!!!

Bill of Rights's picture

What a fucked up world we live in...

GRDguy's picture

I upvoted you from 6 to 7, it showed 7 and then I blinked and it was back to 6 with a down -1.  Too much ad processing I suspect. Anyway, I agree, and it will continue as long as lyin' stealin' and killin' is more highly rewarded than everything else.

Chupacabra-322's picture

What will surprise those who may already be surprised about the Dönmeh connection to Turkey, is the Dönmeh connection to the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia.

An Iraqi Mukhabarat (General Military Intelligence Directorate) Top Secret report, “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots,” dated September 2002 and released on March 13, 2008, by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in translated English form, points to the Dönmeh roots of the founder of the Saudi Wahhabi sect of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. Much of the information is gleaned from the memoirs of a “Mr. Humfer,” (as spelled in the DIA report, “Mr. Hempher” as spelled the historical record) a British spy who used the name “Mohammad,” claimed to be an Azeri who spoke Turkish, Persian, and Arabic and who made contact with Wahhab in the mid-18th century with a view of creating a sect of Islam that would eventually bring about an Arab revolt against the Ottomans and pave the way for the introduction of a Jewish state in Palestine. Humfer’s memoirs are recounted by the Ottoman writer and admiral Ayyub Sabri Pasha in his 1888 work, “The Beginning and Spreading of Wahhabism.”

In his book, The Dönmeh Jews, D. Mustafa Turan writes that Wahhab’s grandfather, Tjen Sulayman, was actually Tjen Shulman, a member of the Jewish community of Basra, Iraq. The Iraqi intelligence report also states that in his book, The Dönmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahhabis, Rifat Salim Kabar reveals that Shulman eventually settled in the Hejaz, in the village of al-Ayniyah what is now Saudi Arabia, where his grandson founded the Wahhabi sect of Islam. The Iraqi intelligence report states that Shulman had been banished from Damascus, Cairo, and Mecca for his “quackery.” In the village, Shulman sired Abdul Wahhab. Abdel Wahhab’s son, Muhammad, founded modern Wahhabism.

Sedaeng's picture

-The Dönmeh Jews, D. Mustafa Turan-

For the life of me I cannot locate this book by this author.  Could you point me to a link that sells this book?  I pull up TONS of internet sites 'quoting' these passages but not a single link to the book itself.  I would like to add to my library if possible...

InnVestuhrr's picture

My policy would be simple:
IF islamic
Kill all AND repopulate with civilized humans.

skinwalker's picture

Civilized? That excludes you. 


I have an excellent memory. If we accept this users posts at face value, he defends the fractional reserve banking system, advocates for monetary intervention, profits from the abortion industry and now is pushing for genocide. 


Real 'civilized' character. 

InnVestuhrr's picture

Fetuses are just biomass, not humans because they cannot live outside the womb.

InnVestuhrr's picture

You are very wrong, natural consequence of vestigial mind, your parents must be embarassed, wondering what happened during conception and preganacy to result in you.

1. Fractional reserve banking system is insanity that leads inevitably to crashes. I do not support it, but I also cannot change it, the only thing I can do is use my wits to profit from it rather than be destroyed by it, ie survival of the most fit.

2. Monetary intervention, same as #1 above.

3. Genocide applies only to the killing of humans. Islamic cult worshipers are (1) primitive subhuman savages, and (2) advocates, followers and practitioners of an ideology that REQUIRES them to forcibly conquer, subjugate, convert and kill non-believers like me, therefore killing them first is justifiable self-defense.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

I see you've learned well from Moses and Joshua.

This was their standard Resettlement policy, which included wiping out even the tribe of Moses's wife.  But, unlike your policy, those guys had 'God' backing them -- cause their Scribes record it so.

Zwelgje's picture

Haha! Like Israel tried in south Lebanon in the summer of 2006?

InnVestuhrr's picture

Israel has never tried this policy of eradication, they are wussies haunted by their own eradication.