Buchanan: If There's A 2nd Cold War, Did Russia Really Start It?

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Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,

Friday, a Russian SU-27 did a barrel roll over a U.S. RC-135 over the Baltic, the second time in two weeks.

Also in April, the U.S. destroyer Donald Cook, off Russia’s Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad, was twice buzzed by Russian planes.

Vladimir Putin’s message: Keep your spy planes and ships a respectable distance away from us. Apparently, we have not received it.

Friday, Deputy Secretary of Defense Robert Work announced that 4,000 NATO troops, including two U.S. battalions, will be moved into Poland and the Baltic States, right on Russia’s border.

“The Russians have been doing a lot of snap exercises right up against the border with a lot of troops,” says Work, who calls this “extraordinarily provocative behavior.”

But how are Russian troops deploying inside Russia “provocative,” while U.S. troops on Russia’s front porch are not? And before we ride this escalator up to a clash, we had best check our hole card.

Germany is to provide one of four battalions to be sent to the Baltic.

But a Bertelsmann Foundation poll last week found that only 31 percent of Germans favor sending their troops to resist a Russian move in the Baltic States or Poland, while 57 percent oppose it, though the NATO treaty requires it.

Last year, a Pew poll found majorities in Italy and France also oppose military action against Russia if she moves into Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia or Poland. If it comes to war in the Baltic, our European allies prefer that we Americans fight it.

Asked on his retirement as Army chief of staff what was the greatest strategic threat to the United States, Gen. Ray Odierno echoed Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Dunford, “I believe that Russia is.”

He mentioned threats to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine.

Yet, when Gen. Odierno entered the service, all four were part of the Soviet Union, and no Cold War president ever thought any was worth a war.

The independence of the Baltic States was one of the great peace dividends after the Cold War. But when did that become so vital a U.S. interest we would go to war with Russia to guarantee it?

Putin may top the enemies list of the Beltway establishment, but we should try to see the world from his point of view.

When Ronald Reagan met Mikhail Gorbachev in Reykjavik in 1986, Putin was in his mid-30s, and the Soviet Empire stretched from the Elbe to the Bering Strait and from the Arctic to Afghanistan.

Russians were all over Africa and had penetrated the Caribbean and Central America. The Soviet Union was a global superpower that had attained strategic parity with the United States.

Now consider how the world has changed for Putin, and Russia.

By the time he turned 40, the Red Army had begun its Napoleonic retreat from Europe and his country had splintered into 15 nations.

By the time he came to power, the USSR had lost one-third of its territory and half its population. Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan were gone.

The Black Sea, once a Soviet lake, now had on its north shore a pro-Western Ukraine, on its eastern shore a hostile Georgia, and on its western shore two former Warsaw Pact allies, Bulgaria and Romania, being taken into NATO.

For Russian warships in Leningrad, the trip out to the Atlantic now meant cruising past the coastline of eight NATO nations: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Denmark, Norway and Great Britain.

Putin has seen NATO, despite solemn U.S. assurances given to Gorbachev, incorporate all of Eastern Europe that Russia had vacated, and three former republics of the USSR itself.

He now hears a clamor from American hawks to bring three more former Soviet republics — Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine — into a NATO alliance directed against Russia.

After persuading Kiev to join a Moscow-led economic union, Putin saw Ukraine’s pro-Russian government overthrown in a U.S.-backed coup.

He has seen U.S.-funded “color-coded” revolutions try to dump over friendly regimes all across his “near abroad.”

“Russia has not accepted the hand of partnership,” says NATO commander, Gen. Philip Breedlove, “but has chosen a path of belligerence.”

But why should Putin see NATO’s inexorable eastward march as an extended “hand of partnership”?

Had we lost the Cold War and Russian spy planes began to patrol off Pensacola, Norfolk and San Diego, how would U.S. F-16 pilots have reacted?

If we awoke to find Mexico, Canada, Cuba, and most of South America in a military alliance against us, welcoming Russian bases and troops, would we regard that as “the hand of partnership”?

We are reaping the understandable rage and resentment of the Russian people over how we exploited Moscow’s retreat from empire.

Did we not ourselves slap aside the hand of Russian friendship, when proffered, when we chose to embrace our “unipolar moment,” to play the “great game” of empire and seek “benevolent global hegemony”?

If there is a second Cold War, did Russia really start it?

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Yen Cross's picture

   Pat.--- Do the "right " thing and hold the party together

 

Yen Cross's picture

 Too Easy, Nork XClown?

LykeMe's picture
LykeMe (not verified) Yen Cross May 4, 2016 10:17 PM

NO ONE will tell you that these folks started it: https://goo.gl/nKJndT

Byte Me's picture

@Lyke Me..

EAT ME

(signed) Byte Me

new game's picture

what if, all the soilders said fuck off and deserted? WOULD WE HAVE ANY MOAR WAR?

jeff montanye's picture

that happens, but rarely.

i'd like to know why all the hostility at the biblicism institute.  as an atheist i usually have a problem with arguments from (religious) authority but this outfit, whoever they are, identifies as the source of much of our present conflict the ashkenazi, often called the european jews.  while i find this wildly overbroad, "zionists" is always my preference, it's a lot closer than, say, the muslims, the arabs, the russians or the chinese.  for instance.

perhaps closer even than the u.s. since not even the cia and the national security state or the military industrial complex is as deeply committed to actually waging war and false flag attacks against the u.s. and europe, as the likud party of israel and associated zionists of whatever religion (largely christian and jewish although i suspect more than a few atheists as well).

i gave an upvote, even if its only a close but no cigar.

p.s. pat buchanan is, once again, a rare voice of sanity and clarity in popular political discourse.  he sees through the zionists' ruses, and much other obfuscation, consistently. 

Taint Boil's picture

 

 

I use to think Pat was an ass …. Starting to like him.

jeff montanye's picture

he won't go against the official 9-11 because he is addicted to being on tv and in print.  but he has opposed the wars, their rationales and those who waged them.  

and he still got fired by msnbc, allegedly for racism but it was anti-zionism, the real and only third rail in u.s. politics.

 

jeff montanye's picture

and speaking of another who can't seem to see through an absolutely obvious false flag, edward snowden is kind of near where donald trump is, but giving the cia, etc. a little more honor than trump:

“You know, and this is a key question that the 9/11 Commission considered. And what they found, in the post-mortem, when they looked at all of the classified intelligence from all of the different intelligence agencies, they found that we had all of the information we needed as an intelligence community, as a classified sector, as the national defense of the United States to detect this plot,” Snowden said. “We actually had records of the phone calls from the United States and out. The CIA knew who these guys were. The problem was not that we weren’t collecting information, it wasn’t that we didn’t have enough dots, it wasn’t that we didn’t have a haystack, it was that we did not understand the haystack that we have.”

“The problem with mass surveillance is that we’re piling more hay on a haystack we already don’t understand, and this is the haystack of the human lives of every American citizen in our country,” Snowden continued. “If these programs aren’t keeping us safe, and they’re making us miss connections — vital connections — on information we already have, if we’re taking resources away from traditional methods of investigation, from law enforcement operations that we know work, if we’re missing things like the Boston Marathon bombings where all of these mass surveillance systems, every domestic dragnet in the world didn’t reveal guys that the Russian intelligence service told us about by name, is that really the best way to protect our country? Or are we — are we trying to throw money at a magic solution that’s actually not just costing us our safety, but our rights and our way of life?"

what's with him?  is putin behind popular mechanics?  what's he got to lose?

reminds me of the (very old) joke about four jews in front of a firing squad.  the first two take the blindfold, the third refuses angrily and the fourth says: "isaac, don't make trouble."

 

Laddie's picture

Pat is good people, would have made a great president.

Vladimir Putin has shown ENORMOUS restraint in the face of USSA and English and other Western nations acts against Russia and the Russian people. Mr Putin is a wise and PRUDENT leader and Russia is lucky to have him. Look at his actions in Syria versus the USSA's and THAT ALONE is enough to make him perhaps the best world leader today.

Mr Putin is in the right, and I say this as an American.
The Russian people, finally have a leader who CARES about Russia and its sovereignty.

monk27's picture

Putin knows that US is presently run by idiots, and doesn't want to start Armageddon just because some spoiled rotten baby-boomers are looking for a scrape, especially since they seem to be on their way out...

vic and blood's picture

Well said, Laddie, as always. From a veteran of the Buchanan Brigade.

balz's picture

Putin and Trump will get along. They'll drink some beer and vodka, shake hands, and be done with this neocon-warmonger crap.

COSMOS's picture

They both like Eastern European women.  Not that is something in common they can work from :D

East Indian's picture

If Trump is allowed to meet Putin, and keep his side of the bargain. IF. 

Badsamm's picture

I don't think the Don drinks even though he was a partner in Trump vodka

Reichstag Fire Dept.'s picture

Is Russia's Central Bank a Rothschild enterprise? I thouht that was the point behind breaking the Soviet Union...but, has something changed with regards to that? Is it a Putin enterprise now?

Obama has gone out of his way to start WWIII with Russia but Putin just won't take the bait. There has got to be a reason other than Obama needs a "bad guy" to act tough against.

I mean...Obama was going to launch a rocket into Syria right over a Russian Naval Base but Putin managed to avert that by having Al Assad hand over his Chemical Weapons...but later, when Putin gives Obama a reason to launce rockets by taking Crimea, Putin basically did nothing. wtf?

Caleb Abell's picture

"taking Crimea"  ??

You mean when the Crimeans voted to secede from the US installed nazi regime in Kiev, and asked to rejoin Russia?

jeff montanye's picture

yes, then.

and he means obama did nothing.

everyone has something they are good at (in addition to killing the, relatively, powerless).

ebworthen's picture

No.

We invaded Kiev, the former capital of Russia (putsch).

Besides NATO betraying every promise ever made to Russia.

Paul Kersey's picture

If the money for funding NATO came from the pockets of our nationally elected officials, instead for from the taxpayers, there would be no NATO.

shining one's picture

I am still not totally convienced that Putin is truly fighting the NWO. However, the OP is affraid of the water, only dipping his/her toe in.

Oldwood's picture

It seems people are either nationalists or nihilists. We either care about our community and country or only about ourselves.

Billy the Poet's picture

Must a nationalist support the current regime? You'd likely say no. Which goes to show that even nationalists have their own individual take on what's what. Why not just be an individual and stop pretending that there's a homogeneous group existing in a particular geographical location which has the same needs, talents and desires that you do?

Oldwood's picture

Like it or not, we are going to NEED a strong military given the number of enemies we have emboldened. The only rational path at this point is to retreat while strengthening our defenses. As is, while constantly meddling and "leading from behind" few nations believe we would directly retaliate to any attack, and rightly so. The military has been gutted with only political opportunists for military leaders, and on top of it all we are broke and owe everyone in the world. When the debts are called, so will our hand and we will be forced to choose between resistance and capitulation. I can only imagine......

Billy the Poet's picture

Who is we? The only people who have ever threatened me were Americans, many in government and they are protected by the strong military you demand.

jeff montanye's picture

nearly ditto.  a few young muggers but the ones who most nearly got the best of me were a uniformed cop and the selective service.

booboo's picture

Buchanan is another example in a long list of individuals that were right all along about cultures, borders and language needing to be protected and were blacklisted and yelled down by the forefathers of safe space pussies and by that I mean country club republicans as well.

besnook's picture

his first and most treasonous offense was describing congress as israel occupied territory. he is just a common antisemite who doesn't obey his masters like a good little goy.

jeff montanye's picture

he is not a common antisemite or even an antijew.  he is an antizionist.  his argument is with the state of israel and the proponents of its "greater" rendition.

as a roman catholic christian he disagrees religiously with jews but not uniquely.

the real beef is with the likud/mossad/etc. takeover of the u.s. government and media. and he is clearly not alone.

Joenobody12's picture

Pat should run for POTUS again if the Donald gets the nail gun treatment from KILLary. Too far fetched ? Watch and learn. A lot is at stake. The estalishment will tell you that.

besnook's picture

putin delivered the straw that broke the empire's back. calling their bluff on crimea and syria exposed the real weakness of the zionazi plot to complete the global zionazi lead empire. the world will be eternally grateful in the future. getting rid of the cunt in november will end the reign of the zionazis.

jeff montanye's picture

not a chance.  the bench is deep and the draft system vibrant and teeming with many walk-ons.

imo beating them head to head, one at a time, is a sisyphean task.  the best way, by far, is to use their hideous crime of 9-11 to tar them all with the long coagulated blood of their victims.  it is the game changer.

someone of the stature of, say, katie couric could make it much easier with however small an admission of personal evidence.  we are a nation of celebrity and insider worshipers.  one would do it far more than defeating any particular politician, though i passionately hope for hillary's brutal trashing with the truth and her final crushing defeat.

failing that, the growing cadre of those who see through the ruse based on the near endless evidence of mossad run false flag should get a boost as the next leg of the downturn deepens.

 

 

Bobportlandor's picture

Heres another cold war to replace a war you thought was won

https://youtu.be/ZPjErI00mAA Kristol Names Romney, Rubio as thrid-party Channengers
jeff montanye's picture

your link is to a fiery judge pirro rebutting romney's call to oppose trump

that trump gets the opposition from romney and the hard core neo conservatives like kristol, et.al. gives me heart, albeit trump's very iffy aipac speech.  

but i guess if he had said what i'd say, or even what bernie says he would have said, trump would be showing the first signs of "illness" or have had a cia "heart attack" like old scalia.

MASTER OF UNIVERSE's picture

I started the Second Cold War March 10th 2008 around 11:00am Bear Stearns time New York shitty, Pat. Don't blame the Russian Federation, or China, blame moi. Moreover, the days of American Hegemony are long gone, and will never return. The United States of America abused the superpower status it had to assault every nation in the World ad infinitum. America, and NATO, as well as the CIA, CFR, and NSA, had to be taken down in light of the Wolfowitz Doctrine which is exactly why America has been in the Hegelian Death Spiral that Goldman Sachs cannot seem to extricate itself from.

 

Buy an effin' clue, Buchanan, you old hack bastard propagandist.

balz's picture

I downvote MASTER OF UNIVERSE before reading him.

Well, I lied.

I don't read him anymore.

jeff montanye's picture

he certainly doesn't seem to understand the wolfowitz doctrine.

perhaps it is something smaller than the universe that he is master of.

Indiana_gol's picture

As a vet, I can say with certainty that retired General Odierno is a total momo.

Snípéir_Ag_Obair's picture

A fuckin' errand boy sent by HR as a diversity hire

cart00ner's picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laxr5ZgPV68

Putin's response to NATO - Pisses himself laughing.

unit472's picture

Were Russia a genuine democratic state a lot of the tension between the West and Russia would not exist. But it isn't. Putin has held power longer than Khruschev and, when his current term expires in 2018, as long as Brezhnev. He appears to have become president for life.

Now some people will say he remains popular in Russia and that may even be true but it just shows that Russia is not like other democracies. The press is severely constrained, there are no major opposition parties and, increasingly, Putin personally state security forces...