Egypt Officials Release First Footage Of EgyptAir Debris; Find Airplane Black Boxes

Tyler Durden's picture

Following two days of searching, Egyptian crews have located the data recorders for EgyptAir Flight 804 close to an area where human remains and debris from the crashed flight have been found, CBS News reports citing government sources.

Planes and vessels from Egypt and five other countries - Greece, Britain, France, the United States and Cyprus - continued searching a wide area of the eastern Mediterranean on Saturday, a day after the Egyptian military found debris from the passenger jet in the sea 180 miles north of the Egyptian port city of Alexandria. The waters in the area are 8,000 to 10,000 feet deep, and the pings from the black boxes can be detected up to a depth of 20,000 feet.

Once found, the black boxes will determine the reason for the crash. On Friday, the widely accepted theory that a terrorist attack was responsible for the crash was put in question when new information was transmitted from the flight indicating that smoke was detected on the plane before it crashed. According to the sources, the information indicates smoke was coming from one of the engines. The data was transmitted through the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, which sends snapshots of engine performance throughout the flight.

Adding to the confusion, however, is the insistence of Egyptian authorities who believe terrorism is a more likely explanation than equipment failure, and some aviation experts have said the erratic flight suggests a bomb blast or a struggle in the cockpit. But so far no hard evidence has emerged.

If the explosion was an act of terrorism, a recurring question is why nobody has claimed the attack: so far no militant group has claimed to have brought down the aircraft. That is a contrast to the downing of a Russian jet in October over Egypt's Sinai Peninsula that killed all 224 on board. In that case, the Sinai branch of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, issued a claim of responsibility within hours. On Friday, ISIS issued a statement on clashes with the Egyptian military in Sinai, but said nothing about the plane crash.

Looking for clues to whether terrorists may have brought down the Airbus A320, investigators have been poring over the passenger list and questioned ground crew members at Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris, from which the plane took off. CBS adds that French aviation investigators have begun to check and question all baggage handlers, maintenance workers, gate agents and other ground crew members at Charles de Gaulle Airport who had a direct or indirect link to the plane before it took off, according to a French judicial official.

Whatever caused the aircraft to crash, the tragedy will very likely deepen Egypt's difficult predicament as the country of some 90 million people struggles to revive a battered economy and contain an increasingly resilient insurgency by Islamic militants.

Also on Saturday morning, the Egyptian military posted new photos of debris on its spokesman's Facebook page. They included what appeared to be parts of a seat, a lifejacket and what looks to be a pink and purple children's blanket.

 

Here is the full clip released moments ago by the Egyptian military showing the flight debris.

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dizzyfingers's picture

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/less-24-hours/ 3:23 pm on May 20, 2016 Email Becky Akers

I’ve had my stop-watch going since EgyptAir Flight 804 crashed into the Mediterranean yesterday, timing the TSA’s reflex for exploiting this tragedy. Bingo: this morning, its bigwig, Peter Neffenger, announced, “...[M]ost importantly, it’s a stark reminder that what we do is important. We need to do it well, and we need to do it efficiently.”

Recall that “Officials have yet to determine why EgyptAir Flight 804 disappeared … ” So no one knows whether or not terrorism played a role in this horror–including Neffenger. He even admitted as much: “We still don’t know what happened there.” No reason to postpone capitalizing on it, though, is there, Neffy? Especially when, as even the corporate media notes, your “agency faces criticism for long lines at some major airports.

Meanwhile, here’s the dumbest reason ever for tolerating the inept, invasive, totally unconstitutional bumbling of the TSA: because otherwise you “will undermine the important public union rights that are an integral part of why people become first responders.” That’s right: you should cheerfully wait hours for the TSA’s pervert to grope you because he’s union. I kid you not.

Looney's picture

Black Boxes? That’s raccisss!  ;-)

Looney

MANvsMACHINE's picture

I'm offended. How about petition to require all black boxes be repainted in the colors of tutti fruitti?

I think that would be universally accepted, even by our transgender friends.

A Pimp's love is different's picture

Where are the seatpocket laminated German cartoon illustrations instructing rapefugees on how to have sex with the flight attendants & join the mile high club?

Latina Lover's picture

The USSA will find a way to blame Assad and Putin. You just watch....

BuddyEffed's picture

It will be interesting to see if the pilots ever discussed the smoke, and ever considered shutting down an engine.

If there was a fuel leak in the plane where tens or hundreds of gallons leaked and caught fire, either out in the wing near the engines or surrounding the fuel box area, that could be significant.  

A fire in the cargo hold due to hazardous cargo catching fire would likely have given the pilots and sensors much more time to notice it before it could progress very far without a radio may day being noted.  Plus a fire in the cargo hold would not be close to the fuel tanks.  Also, were the sensors that did report smoke near the cargo area or not?  If there was a cargo fire, would other sensors have been expected to report smoke first?

Were there any lithium batteries in the cargo is a valid question?

Also, could there have been an engine disintigration?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_engine_failure

In the ACARS data, looking at the timestamps, was it just 3 seconds of sensor data reporting smoke, or was it 3 minutes?  I am not familiar with timestamp formats that were put in the news to know what timing interval was indicated.

robertsgt40's picture

I think there are those who know exactly what happened.  The task at hand now is to establish the official narrative. 

The Saint's picture
The Saint (not verified) robertsgt40 May 21, 2016 10:31 AM

Ironically, the TSA has NEVER caught a terrorist.

Yukon Cornholius's picture

That just means their mere presence is keeping terrorizers away. A job well done you could say.

Although giant lines of herded in people make a pretty alluring target.

MANvsMACHINE's picture

If not for the anal probing of wheelchair bound grandma, those terrorists would be prancing through the security line unchecked.

Transformer's picture

I don't get it.  It's obvious the Russians did it.  Why are they holding back?

Fractal Parasite's picture

Maybe this time the mass media will actually let the one-year investigation be completed before blaming Russia like they did within hours of the MH17 incident.

But even when that lengthy and long-awaited report came, it presented no evidence incriminating Russia.

BuddyEffed's picture

Another valid question is if ACARS would report any change in pressurization due to an explosion for any reason?  Smoke without depressurization might suggest that it was not a bomb but that the crash was caused somehow instead by the fire.

Is there other data recorded by ACARS that can rule out some scenarios?

And if ACARS does report smoke, does that mean that the pilot would get an immediate aural notification of smoke?   Smoke (and hence fire) in an airplane is one of the most serious things to worry about, and I suspect the pilot gets immediate notification.   Any smoke or fire in an aircraft would have the pilot seeking the nearest landing strip.   Can any pilots confirm?

Ima anal sphincter's picture

Try this:

http://rotate.aero/blog/entry/egyptair-408-smoke-reported-beacon-received

Avionics bays and lavs have smoke detectors. The crew will receive prompt warnings of any smoke. On larger aircraft, there is a floor opening to get down to the electronics bay. At least one fire extinguisher is always available downstairs. I'm pretty sure a portable O2 tank "with mask" is available in the cockpit also. I do "not" know if a A320 has a way down from the cockpit.

My question here is the speed of events. 3-4 minutes from smoke indication to straight down. Even ValueJet (which was a roaring fire in the forward baggage compartment) took longer than that.

The Swiss Air MD-11 that went down due to KAPTON wiring was years ago. By 2003 when this aircraft was made, the dangers of KAPTON were known.

The recorders will have the answers, if they can get them.

MANvsMACHINE's picture

You are assuming the recorders played for public consumption are the actual recorders that were on the plane that went down.

Ima anal sphincter's picture

You have a point.

I consider ALL media output as lies. I do my damnedest to avoid that frickin TV and the filth that spews from it.

All the latest aircraft incidents have had the truth twisted or hidden.

What was the first thing blasted out on this crash....... Terrorism!!! I don't even think the aircraft hit the water yet.

My guess is that this story will be tweaked to fit the agenda. One that I can see clearly. One that I will resist vigorously.

BuddyEffed's picture

What kind of batteries did the plane use? Any chance of thermal runaway in the kind used in the EE bay?

Ima anal sphincter's picture

They're Ni-Cad batteries. Rarely do they give out and they would most likely melt down without flames.

There is something else going on here. To little time lapse from normal flight to spiraling down.

BuddyEffed's picture

If fuel got involved in the fire, and flames were able to trace their way back to the fuel tank, that would not be good, as there might be a fair amount of air in there with the flight nearing its end and having already consumed much of the takeoff fuel load.

Ima anal sphincter's picture

Buddy....

ACARS or Aircraft Communication Addressing Reporting System is only a communication device from air to ground and back up.

Most digital (and converted analog) is sent to a unit call a DFDAU, or Digital Flight Data Acquisition Unit. From the DFDAU the data is sent to both the ACARS for reporting and the Flight Recorder for flight history.

In the old analog days, only about 30 or so parameters were monitored. In the digital world, hundreds of items are. Flight controls, crew force inputs, navigation components, air data signals, fuel systems, pressurization, air conditioning,hydraulics, engines,G-forces.....just about everything that makes an aircraft fly

When a Flight Recorder's data is analyzed, it usually gives almost a 100% correct cause of the accident.

A Voice Recorder records 4 channels of information. The two crew members microphones, a cockpit area microphone, and cabin communications. Crew verbal reactions and cockpit aural warnings can also be timed exactly with the flight data to paint an overall picture of the complete event.

BuddyEffed's picture

That's good data for the ZH readers.
I've written quite a bit of avionics code myself as you might suspect.
TCAS, FSEU, ARINC 629 data loader, PSEU, SRAM, Antiskid, and a dozen others.

buttmint's picture

...heat seeking missle altered engine performance data.

unicorn's picture

cartoons for instructions can be a tricky thing...

last century in the 80ies the WHO made a campaign in Pakistan showing 3 pictures: on the left side a sick baby crying, in the middle the baby drinking milk from a bottle, on the right side the picture of a healthy happy baby.

Pakis read from right to left. they missunderstood the campaign...

GemRavager's picture

b-b-but black boxes are actually orange in color.

The Saint's picture
The Saint (not verified) GemRavager May 21, 2016 10:36 AM

But the data is black. 

MajorFall's picture

Actually they are painted orange for visibilty

FrankieGoesToHollywood's picture

That's even worse!  Orange box claimining its black!

Rolling ThunderSC's picture

Obviously giving Orange Boxes a bad reputation

Whodathunkit's picture

They are actually painted neon Orange. So it's ok to call them black

shovelhead's picture

That's right,

Wait in line like a cow so some asshole can retire in 20 years with a gold plated pension that will bankrupt you.

Jesus.

They come right out and say it to your face now.

That some fucking brass balls right there.

nmewn's picture

"You can't pro-fessionalize unless you unionize!"...LMAO!!!

nibiru's picture

Respect my AUTHORITAHHHH. They really think they are useful, don't they?

Phoenix Pilgrim's picture

Odd that the remnants look beat up except for the shiny new not-inflated bright yellow life jacket. Also odd that they so quickly identified the pink and purple scrap as a "children's blanket".

Hundreds of millions+ tax payer dollars spent yearly all over the world hasn't prevented any of these air mishaps. Where does all this money go? Ex. Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION missing from Pentagon on 9/10/2001 and the next morning "planes" hit the Twin Towers and Pentagon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU And this was after NORAD spent two years simulating hijacked airlines used as weapons to crash into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm.

I feel sooo much safer now.   /sarc

Yukon Cornholius's picture

Plus the $1.1 trillion the accounting department wasn't even going to try and locate because they didn't have the manpower.

And they gonna fire a nigga for takin' a few cardboard boxes.

scm's picture

Why waste time on an investigation. Trump said it was terrorism. BUILD THE WALL, Kick those fuckers out. I want to feel safer.

Able Ape's picture

Finding the black boxes is one thing; whether the released recording is real or "manufactured" is another thing...All governments lie, it's what they do....

actionjacksonbrownie's picture

Judging by the investigation into the MH17 disaster, it takes years to properly examine one of those boxes. Also, ukraine has a non-disclosure agreement in place that allows them to withhold any info at their sole discretion - so there's that too. You can never be too careful when probing the black box!

de3de8's picture

AJBrownie:
They know the Sheeple have a short memory

Oldrepublic's picture

According to this analysis by the saker, Egypt was getting very close to the Russians

http://thesaker.is/egyptair-flight-ms804-crash-is-prequential-to-the-us-...

HenryHall's picture

So, it may (or may not) have been a technical/mechanical failure.

We won't know until the black boxes are analyzed.

So much for people jumping to conclusions, we simply don't know whether it was, or was not, a terrorist attack.

But we will find out. In time. It's very sad either way, both for the people involved and the Egyptian economy. Human life is so very precious and so very fragile.

gonetogalt's picture

Likely never find out anyway, if the plane was hacked the engine could have been destroyed from the ground by fuel/air manipulation.

Fly-by-wire was probably used in 9-11 and the MH 370 incidents.

'Incident' doesn't mean 'incidental'.

ryders's picture
ryders (not verified) May 21, 2016 7:59 AM

that's what goat pumpers think:

“Another Russian jet should be dropped,” Samil Tayyar posted on Twitter after Islanbul’s Fenerbahce basketball team’s 101-96 overtime loss to Moscow’s CSKA in the Euroleague final, which took place a week ago. The politician later said he was only joking.

nibiru's picture

Government is important 'cos it's GOVERNMENT! 'nuff said.

ryders's picture
ryders (not verified) May 21, 2016 8:00 AM

goat pumpers can only hope there is no full scale war with russia cause russia ain't fat fucks from EU you'd end up with your guts lying on the floor.

nibiru's picture

Imagine Russian projects with China going successfully - 2 silent submarines sorting them the MAD nuclear counter-attack system, S500, BULAVA ICBM or if Chinese will share with them MIRVed (ICBM able to hit multiple targets). Just wow. They ain't joking, that's for sure.

dogismycopilot's picture

Egypt will blame the airplane otherwise their tourism industry is dead.

The only thing that can save Egyptian Tourism is a Russian Porn Starlet

https://www.rt.com/news/238649-egypt-pyramids-porn-film/